Anyone with experience of both Pioneer and Panasonic Home DVD recorder?

[Ext User(mindesign)]

Hi all

just wondering if anyone has had a fair amount of experience with both high
capacity HDD+DVD recorders from these brands - reason I ask is that I have a
fault with my Panasonic 200Gig unit and have been offered a Pioneer as
replacement (as well as a pana if I want to stay with the same unit) - I am
now wondering which might be better....... if the pioneer is vastly more
intuitive and does all the same things then I would lean towards it due to
others in the household wanting to record stuff .... but if it is basically
as hard to use as the Pana then I will not move

Hope this is at least basically clear......

thoughts?

Steve

[Ext User(Falco)]

If there is one thing the Pioneer DVD recorders do better than the
Panasonic, its on machine editing.
It is more intuitive than the Panasonic, sorta like a siemens mobile phone
compared to a Nokia.



"mindesign" <seriph_I_SAID_NO_BLOODY_SPAM@consultant.com> wrote in message
news:A6QJf.1841$k6.36326@nasal.pacific.net.au...
> Hi all
>
> just wondering if anyone has had a fair amount of experience with both
> high capacity HDD+DVD recorders from these brands - reason I ask is that I
> have a fault with my Panasonic 200Gig unit and have been offered a Pioneer
> as replacement (as well as a pana if I want to stay with the same unit) -
> I am now wondering which might be better....... if the pioneer is vastly
> more intuitive and does all the same things then I would lean towards it
> due to others in the household wanting to record stuff .... but if it is
> basically as hard to use as the Pana then I will not move
>
> Hope this is at least basically clear......
>
> thoughts?
>
> Steve
>

[Ext User(Ulysses)]

"mindesign" <seriph_I_SAID_NO_BLOODY_SPAM@consultant.com> wrote in message
news:A6QJf.1841$k6.36326@nasal.pacific.net.au...
> Hi all
>
> just wondering if anyone has had a fair amount of experience with both
high
> capacity HDD+DVD recorders from these brands - reason I ask is that I have
a
> fault with my Panasonic 200Gig unit and have been offered a Pioneer as
> replacement (as well as a pana if I want to stay with the same unit) - I
am
> now wondering which might be better....... if the pioneer is vastly more
> intuitive and does all the same things then I would lean towards it due to
> others in the household wanting to record stuff .... but if it is
basically
> as hard to use as the Pana then I will not move
>
> Hope this is at least basically clear......
>
> thoughts?
>
> Steve
>
>

I had a Panasonic DMR E50 and a DMR ES20 (and a Lite-On somethingorother).
I now have a Pioneer 531H. The Pioneer is easy to use and has some nice
features but the recording quality on both Panasonics was quite a bit
better. Neither Panasonic had a hard and the Pioneer does but the record
quality on the hard drive is barely acceptable at XP while the Panasonics
were excellent on LP mode on discs (DVD-R and RAM). However, I had too many
problems with the Panasonics eating discs and not doing the timer recording
etc. The first one only last a little over a year (150 burned discs) and
the second one started having problems while there was still time to return
it.

Now, since I am unhappy with the quality of the Pioneer I am considering
returning it. What will I buy? About the only thing out there that is
better seems to be a Panasonic with a hard drive. Well, Walmart sells 3
year extended service plans so I might just take a deep breath and get
another Panny. Their plans even include wearing out the laser drive and
buttons on the remotes.

[Ext User(Darrel Christenson)]

> However, I had too many
> problems with the Panasonics eating discs and not doing the timer recording
> etc. The first one only last a little over a year (150 burned discs) and
> the second one started having problems while there was still time to return
> it.

Sounds like a bad batch, I've had an E50 since the day
they were first in the stores and not a single problem
that couldn't be traced to low quality media in the
early days before I knew any better.


drc :)

[Ext User(John)]

"mindesign" <seriph_I_SAID_NO_BLOODY_SPAM@consultant.com> wrote in message
news:A6QJf.1841$k6.36326@nasal.pacific.net.au...
> Hi all
>
> just wondering if anyone has had a fair amount of experience with both
> high capacity HDD+DVD recorders from these brands - reason I ask is that I
> have a fault with my Panasonic 200Gig unit and have been offered a Pioneer
> as replacement (as well as a pana if I want to stay with the same unit) -
> I am now wondering which might be better....... if the pioneer is vastly
> more intuitive and does all the same things then I would lean towards it
> due to others in the household wanting to record stuff .... but if it is
> basically as hard to use as the Pana then I will not move
>
> Hope this is at least basically clear......
>
> thoughts?
>
> Steve

What brand of media were you using ?

I have found that TDK or Taiyo Yudens do NOT like the Panasonic recorders.
I own a e85 and the new eh60 and they simply do not take TDK/TY at all well.

The brand of dvd-r media I use is Orion. They work very well in these
recorders.
Used close to 600 in the past year and a bit. Bought some Aurora which work
well
in the Panasonic recorders too.

Cheers John.

[Ext User(SalesMart.com.au)]

On Tue, 21 Feb 2006 12:43:37 -0800, "Ulysses"
<therealulysses@yahoo.com> wrote:

>
>"mindesign" <seriph_I_SAID_NO_BLOODY_SPAM@consultant.com> wrote in message
>news:A6QJf.1841$k6.36326@nasal.pacific.net.au...
>> Hi all
>>
>> just wondering if anyone has had a fair amount of experience with both
>high
>> capacity HDD+DVD recorders from these brands - reason I ask is that I have
>a
>> fault with my Panasonic 200Gig unit and have been offered a Pioneer as
>> replacement (as well as a pana if I want to stay with the same unit) - I
>am
>> now wondering which might be better....... if the pioneer is vastly more
>> intuitive and does all the same things then I would lean towards it due to
>> others in the household wanting to record stuff .... but if it is
>basically
>> as hard to use as the Pana then I will not move
>>
>> Hope this is at least basically clear......
>>
>> thoughts?
>>
>> Steve
>>
>>
>
>I had a Panasonic DMR E50 and a DMR ES20 (and a Lite-On somethingorother).
>I now have a Pioneer 531H. The Pioneer is easy to use and has some nice
>features but the recording quality on both Panasonics was quite a bit
>better. Neither Panasonic had a hard and the Pioneer does but the record
>quality on the hard drive is barely acceptable at XP while the Panasonics
>were excellent on LP mode on discs (DVD-R and RAM). However, I had too many
>problems with the Panasonics eating discs and not doing the timer recording
>etc. The first one only last a little over a year (150 burned discs) and
>the second one started having problems while there was still time to return
>it.
>
>Now, since I am unhappy with the quality of the Pioneer I am considering
>returning it. What will I buy? About the only thing out there that is
>better seems to be a Panasonic with a hard drive. Well, Walmart sells 3
>year extended service plans so I might just take a deep breath and get
>another Panny. Their plans even include wearing out the laser drive and
>buttons on the remotes.

I bought my Panasonic DMR-E30 in April of 2003 and have burnt over
3000 DVD-R media through it. I get about 1 failure in every thousand
or so. Where I am we get power failures or on the hotter days here in
Perth the voltage gets low which the Panasonic does not like. The
power tends to go on and off which is very bad for the recorder.
I now have an UPS on my E30 so if the power starts to go then I have
at least time to stop the burn and turn it off.

If I was buying today I'd get the Panasonic DMR-EH60.
There are digital tuner models that are coming but looking at the
latest prices with digital tuners I'm seriously thinking about getting
the EH60 now as I mainly record off Foxtel anyway.

I sell a disc that works well in these Panasonc recorders as most of
my client base use their Paansonic DMR Recorders for DVD Authoring so
I have to have a disc that works well in these DVD Recorders.

I have customers that have bought the other brands of recorders and
all have said they prefer the Panasonics as the video quality is that
much better.

The Panasonics do something a lot don't do and on flexible record mode
they record down to the minute which means you get the best possible
picture quality for that length of video.

Each to their own of course.
As always go and have a look at a few in action before buying.

If buying a DVD Recorder I would advise getting an UPS for the
recorder in case of power surges or low voltage.

SalesMart.com.au
Perth, Western Australia
http://www.salesmart.com.au
*******************************************
Email Contact info on the above site.
*******************************************

[Ext User(william)]

On Sun, 19 Feb 2006 03:23:44 GMT, "Falco" <johnyfalco@bigfoot.com>
wrote:

>If there is one thing the Pioneer DVD recorders do better than the
>Panasonic, its on machine editing.
>It is more intuitive than the Panasonic, sorta like a siemens mobile phone
>compared to a Nokia.

Went and had a look at a Panasonic eh60 today and my goodness they do
a much better video burn than my Pioneer does. The Pioneers are not
that good I have to say. Bought my Pioneer recorder a year ago. My
neighbour has the Panasonic which does a better recording than my
Pioneer does.

When I was buying the sales drone said Pioneer was the one to buy.
Went with his advice which was a mistake. My neighbour bought a
Panasonic a few months later and they are easier to set up than my
Pioneer was:((((((((

[Ext User(mindesign)]

I wish I could tell the Panasonic to burn at 4 speed on 8 speed discs - all
the 4 speed discs I put through, work perfectly - the 8 speeds seem to fall
over much of the time now, AND seem to produce some kind of noise before
they do ..... like an over-spin sound, which is why I was going to change it

Steve


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> "mindesign" <seriph_I_SAID_NO_BLOODY_SPAM@consultant.com> wrote in message
> news:A6QJf.1841$k6.36326@nasal.pacific.net.au...
>> Hi all
>>
>> just wondering if anyone has had a fair amount of experience with both
>> high capacity HDD+DVD recorders from these brands - reason I ask is that
>> I have a fault with my Panasonic 200Gig unit and have been offered a
>> Pioneer as replacement (as well as a pana if I want to stay with the same
>> unit) - I am now wondering which might be better....... if the pioneer is
>> vastly more intuitive and does all the same things then I would lean
>> towards it due to others in the household wanting to record stuff ....
>> but if it is basically as hard to use as the Pana then I will not move
>>
>> Hope this is at least basically clear......
>>
>> thoughts?
>>
>> Steve
>
> What brand of media were you using ?
>
> I have found that TDK or Taiyo Yudens do NOT like the Panasonic recorders.
> I own a e85 and the new eh60 and they simply do not take TDK/TY at all
> well.
>
> The brand of dvd-r media I use is Orion. They work very well in these
> recorders.
> Used close to 600 in the past year and a bit. Bought some Aurora which
> work well
> in the Panasonic recorders too.
>
> Cheers John.
>
>
>

[Ext User(Ulysses)]

"SalesMart.com.au" <sales@___Email_Address_on_Web_site> wrote in message
news:43fbcc6a.4661859@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
> On Tue, 21 Feb 2006 12:43:37 -0800, "Ulysses"
> <therealulysses@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> >
> >"mindesign" <seriph_I_SAID_NO_BLOODY_SPAM@consultant.com> wrote in
message
> >news:A6QJf.1841$k6.36326@nasal.pacific.net.au...
> >> Hi all
> >>
> >> just wondering if anyone has had a fair amount of experience with both
> >high
> >> capacity HDD+DVD recorders from these brands - reason I ask is that I
have
> >a
> >> fault with my Panasonic 200Gig unit and have been offered a Pioneer as
> >> replacement (as well as a pana if I want to stay with the same unit) -
I
> >am
> >> now wondering which might be better....... if the pioneer is vastly
more
> >> intuitive and does all the same things then I would lean towards it due
to
> >> others in the household wanting to record stuff .... but if it is
> >basically
> >> as hard to use as the Pana then I will not move
> >>
> >> Hope this is at least basically clear......
> >>
> >> thoughts?
> >>
> >> Steve
> >>
> >>
> >
> >I had a Panasonic DMR E50 and a DMR ES20 (and a Lite-On
somethingorother).
> >I now have a Pioneer 531H. The Pioneer is easy to use and has some nice
> >features but the recording quality on both Panasonics was quite a bit
> >better. Neither Panasonic had a hard and the Pioneer does but the record
> >quality on the hard drive is barely acceptable at XP while the Panasonics
> >were excellent on LP mode on discs (DVD-R and RAM). However, I had too
many
> >problems with the Panasonics eating discs and not doing the timer
recording
> >etc. The first one only last a little over a year (150 burned discs) and
> >the second one started having problems while there was still time to
return
> >it.
> >
> >Now, since I am unhappy with the quality of the Pioneer I am considering
> >returning it. What will I buy? About the only thing out there that is
> >better seems to be a Panasonic with a hard drive. Well, Walmart sells 3
> >year extended service plans so I might just take a deep breath and get
> >another Panny. Their plans even include wearing out the laser drive and
> >buttons on the remotes.
>
> I bought my Panasonic DMR-E30 in April of 2003 and have burnt over
> 3000 DVD-R media through it. I get about 1 failure in every thousand
> or so. Where I am we get power failures or on the hotter days here in
> Perth the voltage gets low which the Panasonic does not like. The
> power tends to go on and off which is very bad for the recorder.
> I now have an UPS on my E30 so if the power starts to go then I have
> at least time to stop the burn and turn it off.
>
> If I was buying today I'd get the Panasonic DMR-EH60.
> There are digital tuner models that are coming but looking at the
> latest prices with digital tuners I'm seriously thinking about getting
> the EH60 now as I mainly record off Foxtel anyway.
>
> I sell a disc that works well in these Panasonc recorders as most of
> my client base use their Paansonic DMR Recorders for DVD Authoring so
> I have to have a disc that works well in these DVD Recorders.
>
> I have customers that have bought the other brands of recorders and
> all have said they prefer the Panasonics as the video quality is that
> much better.
>
> The Panasonics do something a lot don't do and on flexible record mode
> they record down to the minute which means you get the best possible
> picture quality for that length of video.

One of the problems I had with the ES20 was that if I used FR (flexible
recording) the disc would play back fine until it was finalized. Then it
would either be a coaster or it would refuse to acknowledge that a program
recorded on it even existed. It worked ok if I chose my record speed
manually. The E50 I had did a fine job with the FR mode. I'm thinking the
ES20 wasn't leaving enough room on the disc for the finalization info. I
tried different brands of discs and it didn't seem to matter.


>
> Each to their own of course.
> As always go and have a look at a few in action before buying.

It seems to be unanimous that the Panasonics have the best recording
quality. I still have time to return my Pioneer 531H. Now if I can just
find some place that sells the DMR EH60 that will give me a receipt that I
can use for the warranty ;-)


>
> If buying a DVD Recorder I would advise getting an UPS for the
> recorder in case of power surges or low voltage.
>
> SalesMart.com.au
> Perth, Western Australia
> http://www.salesmart.com.au
> *******************************************
> Email Contact info on the above site.
> *******************************************
>

[Ext User(mindesign)]

return one - get a store credit - go in the next day and "buy" the other







"Ulysses" <therealulysses@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> "SalesMart.com.au" <sales@___Email_Address_on_Web_site> wrote in message
> news:43fbcc6a.4661859@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
>> On Tue, 21 Feb 2006 12:43:37 -0800, "Ulysses"
>> <therealulysses@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>> >
>> >"mindesign" <seriph_I_SAID_NO_BLOODY_SPAM@consultant.com> wrote in
> message
>> >news:A6QJf.1841$k6.36326@nasal.pacific.net.au...
>> >> Hi all
>> >>
>> >> just wondering if anyone has had a fair amount of experience with both
>> >high
>> >> capacity HDD+DVD recorders from these brands - reason I ask is that I
> have
>> >a
>> >> fault with my Panasonic 200Gig unit and have been offered a Pioneer as
>> >> replacement (as well as a pana if I want to stay with the same unit) -
> I
>> >am
>> >> now wondering which might be better....... if the pioneer is vastly
> more
>> >> intuitive and does all the same things then I would lean towards it
>> >> due
> to
>> >> others in the household wanting to record stuff .... but if it is
>> >basically
>> >> as hard to use as the Pana then I will not move
>> >>
>> >> Hope this is at least basically clear......
>> >>
>> >> thoughts?
>> >>
>> >> Steve
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
>> >I had a Panasonic DMR E50 and a DMR ES20 (and a Lite-On
> somethingorother).
>> >I now have a Pioneer 531H. The Pioneer is easy to use and has some nice
>> >features but the recording quality on both Panasonics was quite a bit
>> >better. Neither Panasonic had a hard and the Pioneer does but the
>> >record
>> >quality on the hard drive is barely acceptable at XP while the
>> >Panasonics
>> >were excellent on LP mode on discs (DVD-R and RAM). However, I had too
> many
>> >problems with the Panasonics eating discs and not doing the timer
> recording
>> >etc. The first one only last a little over a year (150 burned discs)
>> >and
>> >the second one started having problems while there was still time to
> return
>> >it.
>> >
>> >Now, since I am unhappy with the quality of the Pioneer I am considering
>> >returning it. What will I buy? About the only thing out there that is
>> >better seems to be a Panasonic with a hard drive. Well, Walmart sells 3
>> >year extended service plans so I might just take a deep breath and get
>> >another Panny. Their plans even include wearing out the laser drive and
>> >buttons on the remotes.
>>
>> I bought my Panasonic DMR-E30 in April of 2003 and have burnt over
>> 3000 DVD-R media through it. I get about 1 failure in every thousand
>> or so. Where I am we get power failures or on the hotter days here in
>> Perth the voltage gets low which the Panasonic does not like. The
>> power tends to go on and off which is very bad for the recorder.
>> I now have an UPS on my E30 so if the power starts to go then I have
>> at least time to stop the burn and turn it off.
>>
>> If I was buying today I'd get the Panasonic DMR-EH60.
>> There are digital tuner models that are coming but looking at the
>> latest prices with digital tuners I'm seriously thinking about getting
>> the EH60 now as I mainly record off Foxtel anyway.
>>
>> I sell a disc that works well in these Panasonc recorders as most of
>> my client base use their Paansonic DMR Recorders for DVD Authoring so
>> I have to have a disc that works well in these DVD Recorders.
>>
>> I have customers that have bought the other brands of recorders and
>> all have said they prefer the Panasonics as the video quality is that
>> much better.
>>
>> The Panasonics do something a lot don't do and on flexible record mode
>> they record down to the minute which means you get the best possible
>> picture quality for that length of video.
>
> One of the problems I had with the ES20 was that if I used FR (flexible
> recording) the disc would play back fine until it was finalized. Then it
> would either be a coaster or it would refuse to acknowledge that a program
> recorded on it even existed. It worked ok if I chose my record speed
> manually. The E50 I had did a fine job with the FR mode. I'm thinking
> the
> ES20 wasn't leaving enough room on the disc for the finalization info. I
> tried different brands of discs and it didn't seem to matter.
>
>
>>
>> Each to their own of course.
>> As always go and have a look at a few in action before buying.
>
> It seems to be unanimous that the Panasonics have the best recording
> quality. I still have time to return my Pioneer 531H. Now if I can just
> find some place that sells the DMR EH60 that will give me a receipt that I
> can use for the warranty ;-)
>
>
>>
>> If buying a DVD Recorder I would advise getting an UPS for the
>> recorder in case of power surges or low voltage.
>>
>> SalesMart.com.au
>> Perth, Western Australia
>> http://www.salesmart.com.au
>> *******************************************
>> Email Contact info on the above site.
>> *******************************************
>>
>
>

[Ext User(SalesMart.com.au)]

On Wed, 22 Feb 2006 13:13:42 -0800, "Ulysses"
<therealulysses@yahoo.com> wrote:

>
>"SalesMart.com.au" <sales@___Email_Address_on_Web_site> wrote in message
>news:43fbcc6a.4661859@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
>> On Tue, 21 Feb 2006 12:43:37 -0800, "Ulysses"
>> <therealulysses@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>> >
>> >"mindesign" <seriph_I_SAID_NO_BLOODY_SPAM@consultant.com> wrote in
>message
>> >news:A6QJf.1841$k6.36326@nasal.pacific.net.au...
>> >> Hi all
>> >>
>> >> just wondering if anyone has had a fair amount of experience with both
>> >high
>> >> capacity HDD+DVD recorders from these brands - reason I ask is that I
>have
>> >a
>> >> fault with my Panasonic 200Gig unit and have been offered a Pioneer as
>> >> replacement (as well as a pana if I want to stay with the same unit) -
>I
>> >am
>> >> now wondering which might be better....... if the pioneer is vastly
>more
>> >> intuitive and does all the same things then I would lean towards it due
>to
>> >> others in the household wanting to record stuff .... but if it is
>> >basically
>> >> as hard to use as the Pana then I will not move
>> >>
>> >> Hope this is at least basically clear......
>> >>
>> >> thoughts?
>> >>
>> >> Steve
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
>> >I had a Panasonic DMR E50 and a DMR ES20 (and a Lite-On
>somethingorother).
>> >I now have a Pioneer 531H. The Pioneer is easy to use and has some nice
>> >features but the recording quality on both Panasonics was quite a bit
>> >better. Neither Panasonic had a hard and the Pioneer does but the record
>> >quality on the hard drive is barely acceptable at XP while the Panasonics
>> >were excellent on LP mode on discs (DVD-R and RAM). However, I had too
>many
>> >problems with the Panasonics eating discs and not doing the timer
>recording
>> >etc. The first one only last a little over a year (150 burned discs) and
>> >the second one started having problems while there was still time to
>return
>> >it.
>> >
>> >Now, since I am unhappy with the quality of the Pioneer I am considering
>> >returning it. What will I buy? About the only thing out there that is
>> >better seems to be a Panasonic with a hard drive. Well, Walmart sells 3
>> >year extended service plans so I might just take a deep breath and get
>> >another Panny. Their plans even include wearing out the laser drive and
>> >buttons on the remotes.
>>
>> I bought my Panasonic DMR-E30 in April of 2003 and have burnt over
>> 3000 DVD-R media through it. I get about 1 failure in every thousand
>> or so. Where I am we get power failures or on the hotter days here in
>> Perth the voltage gets low which the Panasonic does not like. The
>> power tends to go on and off which is very bad for the recorder.
>> I now have an UPS on my E30 so if the power starts to go then I have
>> at least time to stop the burn and turn it off.
>>
>> If I was buying today I'd get the Panasonic DMR-EH60.
>> There are digital tuner models that are coming but looking at the
>> latest prices with digital tuners I'm seriously thinking about getting
>> the EH60 now as I mainly record off Foxtel anyway.
>>
>> I sell a disc that works well in these Panasonc recorders as most of
>> my client base use their Paansonic DMR Recorders for DVD Authoring so
>> I have to have a disc that works well in these DVD Recorders.
>>
>> I have customers that have bought the other brands of recorders and
>> all have said they prefer the Panasonics as the video quality is that
>> much better.
>>
>> The Panasonics do something a lot don't do and on flexible record mode
>> they record down to the minute which means you get the best possible
>> picture quality for that length of video.
>
>One of the problems I had with the ES20 was that if I used FR (flexible
>recording) the disc would play back fine until it was finalized. Then it
>would either be a coaster or it would refuse to acknowledge that a program
>recorded on it even existed. It worked ok if I chose my record speed
>manually. The E50 I had did a fine job with the FR mode. I'm thinking the
>ES20 wasn't leaving enough room on the disc for the finalization info. I
>tried different brands of discs and it didn't seem to matter.

The Panasonic DMR-ES20 hasn't made it to Australia yet.
http://panasonic.com.au/products/category.cfm?objectID=55

Panasonic Australia are often 6 to 9 months or longer behind the rest
of the world with releasing new recorder models.

Overseas they have Panasonic recorders with digital tuners in them so
if you have bought the ES20 you are probably outside Australia. I
would look at the digital models assuming you are in the UK or the US.

The digital models have the letter "D" at the end of the model number.
EG the EH60D has a digital tuner. Worth buying if they are available
from the country you are posting from. The EX models which are coming
look even better and the ability to record to Dual Layer media and
record in HD to the internal hard drive.

SalesMart.com.au
Perth, Western Australia
http://www.salesmart.com.au
*******************************************
Email Contact info on the above site.
*******************************************

[Ext User(Ulysses)]

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> On Wed, 22 Feb 2006 13:13:42 -0800, "Ulysses"
> <therealulysses@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> >
> >"SalesMart.com.au" <sales@___Email_Address_on_Web_site> wrote in message
> >news:43fbcc6a.4661859@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
> >> On Tue, 21 Feb 2006 12:43:37 -0800, "Ulysses"
> >> <therealulysses@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> >
> >> >"mindesign" <seriph_I_SAID_NO_BLOODY_SPAM@consultant.com> wrote in
> >message
> >> >news:A6QJf.1841$k6.36326@nasal.pacific.net.au...
> >> >> Hi all
> >> >>
> >> >> just wondering if anyone has had a fair amount of experience with
both
> >> >high
> >> >> capacity HDD+DVD recorders from these brands - reason I ask is that
I
> >have
> >> >a
> >> >> fault with my Panasonic 200Gig unit and have been offered a Pioneer
as
> >> >> replacement (as well as a pana if I want to stay with the same
unit) -
> >I
> >> >am
> >> >> now wondering which might be better....... if the pioneer is vastly
> >more
> >> >> intuitive and does all the same things then I would lean towards it
due
> >to
> >> >> others in the household wanting to record stuff .... but if it is
> >> >basically
> >> >> as hard to use as the Pana then I will not move
> >> >>
> >> >> Hope this is at least basically clear......
> >> >>
> >> >> thoughts?
> >> >>
> >> >> Steve
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >
> >> >I had a Panasonic DMR E50 and a DMR ES20 (and a Lite-On
> >somethingorother).
> >> >I now have a Pioneer 531H. The Pioneer is easy to use and has some
nice
> >> >features but the recording quality on both Panasonics was quite a bit
> >> >better. Neither Panasonic had a hard and the Pioneer does but the
record
> >> >quality on the hard drive is barely acceptable at XP while the
Panasonics
> >> >were excellent on LP mode on discs (DVD-R and RAM). However, I had
too
> >many
> >> >problems with the Panasonics eating discs and not doing the timer
> >recording
> >> >etc. The first one only last a little over a year (150 burned discs)
and
> >> >the second one started having problems while there was still time to
> >return
> >> >it.
> >> >
> >> >Now, since I am unhappy with the quality of the Pioneer I am
considering
> >> >returning it. What will I buy? About the only thing out there that
is
> >> >better seems to be a Panasonic with a hard drive. Well, Walmart sells
3
> >> >year extended service plans so I might just take a deep breath and get
> >> >another Panny. Their plans even include wearing out the laser drive
and
> >> >buttons on the remotes.
> >>
> >> I bought my Panasonic DMR-E30 in April of 2003 and have burnt over
> >> 3000 DVD-R media through it. I get about 1 failure in every thousand
> >> or so. Where I am we get power failures or on the hotter days here in
> >> Perth the voltage gets low which the Panasonic does not like. The
> >> power tends to go on and off which is very bad for the recorder.
> >> I now have an UPS on my E30 so if the power starts to go then I have
> >> at least time to stop the burn and turn it off.
> >>
> >> If I was buying today I'd get the Panasonic DMR-EH60.
> >> There are digital tuner models that are coming but looking at the
> >> latest prices with digital tuners I'm seriously thinking about getting
> >> the EH60 now as I mainly record off Foxtel anyway.
> >>
> >> I sell a disc that works well in these Panasonc recorders as most of
> >> my client base use their Paansonic DMR Recorders for DVD Authoring so
> >> I have to have a disc that works well in these DVD Recorders.
> >>
> >> I have customers that have bought the other brands of recorders and
> >> all have said they prefer the Panasonics as the video quality is that
> >> much better.
> >>
> >> The Panasonics do something a lot don't do and on flexible record mode
> >> they record down to the minute which means you get the best possible
> >> picture quality for that length of video.
> >
> >One of the problems I had with the ES20 was that if I used FR (flexible
> >recording) the disc would play back fine until it was finalized. Then it
> >would either be a coaster or it would refuse to acknowledge that a
program
> >recorded on it even existed. It worked ok if I chose my record speed
> >manually. The E50 I had did a fine job with the FR mode. I'm thinking
the
> >ES20 wasn't leaving enough room on the disc for the finalization info. I
> >tried different brands of discs and it didn't seem to matter.
>
> The Panasonic DMR-ES20 hasn't made it to Australia yet.
> http://panasonic.com.au/products/category.cfm?objectID=55
>
> Panasonic Australia are often 6 to 9 months or longer behind the rest
> of the world with releasing new recorder models.
>
> Overseas they have Panasonic recorders with digital tuners in them so
> if you have bought the ES20 you are probably outside Australia. I
> would look at the digital models assuming you are in the UK or the US.
>
> The digital models have the letter "D" at the end of the model number.
> EG the EH60D has a digital tuner. Worth buying if they are available
> from the country you are posting from. The EX models which are coming
> look even better and the ability to record to Dual Layer media and
> record in HD to the internal hard drive.
>
> SalesMart.com.au
> Perth, Western Australia
> http://www.salesmart.com.au
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>

I went to Panasonic's web site and the only one I could find with a hard
drive was the DMR-EH50. Do you know of a site where I can compare the
models?

[Ext User(David Barnett)]

"Ulysses" <therealulysses@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:11vmurtcdtv9d91@corp.supernews.com...
:
: I had a Panasonic DMR E50 and a DMR ES20 (and a Lite-On
somethingorother).
: I now have a Pioneer 531H. The Pioneer is easy to use and has some nice
: features but the recording quality on both Panasonics was quite a bit
: better. Neither Panasonic had a hard and the Pioneer does but the record
: quality on the hard drive is barely acceptable at XP while the Panasonics
: were excellent on LP mode on discs (DVD-R and RAM). However, I had too
many
: problems with the Panasonics eating discs and not doing the timer
recording
: etc. The first one only last a little over a year (150 burned discs) and
: the second one started having problems while there was still time to
return
: it.
:
: Now, since I am unhappy with the quality of the Pioneer I am considering
: returning it. What will I buy? About the only thing out there that is
: better seems to be a Panasonic with a hard drive. Well, Walmart sells 3
: year extended service plans so I might just take a deep breath and get
: another Panny. Their plans even include wearing out the laser drive and
: buttons on the remotes.

My first Panasonic DMR-E55, which I think I have now had for a couple of
years, is only now starting to play up: mainly the timer stopping & then
restarting, & on some erasing occasions, going to blank screen &
selfchecking. However, it is still recording otherwise & playing back OK .

My wife recently won a Samsung DVD Recorder combo.
It can record from tape to DVD & vice versa, and this is very simple to do.
However, I am not happy with the smallness & labels of the buttons on the
remote, and my impression is that it is more difficult to use generally
than the Panasonic, tho this may be due to my more familiarity with the
Panasonic controls. It can however use DVD-RAM discs.
--
David Barnett

[Ext User(David Barnett)]

"Ulysses" <therealulysses@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:11vpl0cd817tgf8@corp.supernews.com...
:
: One of the problems I had with the ES20 was that if I used FR (flexible
: recording) the disc would play back fine until it was finalized. Then it
: would either be a coaster or it would refuse to acknowledge that a
program
: recorded on it even existed. It worked ok if I chose my record speed
: manually. The E50 I had did a fine job with the FR mode. I'm thinking
the
: ES20 wasn't leaving enough room on the disc for the finalization info. I
: tried different brands of discs and it didn't seem to matter.

I have had this happen a few rimes with my ES20 also, and I wasn't using
FR - & IIRC the discs were not full when finalized. The discs played OK
until finalized.
I was blaming the cheap discs I was using.
It happened when directly recording - fortunately I also used a tape back
up, and when copying from the tape to the same brand of disc, all was OK.
--
David Barnett

[Ext User(SalesMart.com.au)]

On Fri, 24 Feb 2006 12:43:26 -0800, "Ulysses"
<therealulysses@yahoo.com> wrote:

>I went to Panasonic's web site and the only one I could find with a hard
>drive was the DMR-EH50. Do you know of a site where I can compare the
>models?

Panasonic DMR-EH60 is on the Panasonic site along with other models.
http://panasonic.com.au/products/category.cfm?objectID=55

My DVD recorder page also has the Panasonic DMR-EH60 recorder.
http://www.salesmart.com.au/dvdrw/dvd_recorders/

SalesMart.com.au
Perth, Western Australia
http://www.salesmart.com.au
*******************************************
Email Contact info on the above site.
*******************************************

[Ext User(Ulysses)]

"SalesMart.com.au" <sales@___Email_Address_on_Web_site> wrote in message
news:440176af.150881265@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
> On Fri, 24 Feb 2006 12:43:26 -0800, "Ulysses"
> <therealulysses@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> >I went to Panasonic's web site and the only one I could find with a hard
> >drive was the DMR-EH50. Do you know of a site where I can compare the
> >models?
>
> Panasonic DMR-EH60 is on the Panasonic site along with other models.
> http://panasonic.com.au/products/category.cfm?objectID=55
>
> My DVD recorder page also has the Panasonic DMR-EH60 recorder.
> http://www.salesmart.com.au/dvdrw/dvd_recorders/
>
> SalesMart.com.au
> Perth, Western Australia
> http://www.salesmart.com.au
> *******************************************
> Email Contact info on the above site.
> *******************************************

Thanks for the links. I'm not sure what I did wrong. Maybe the USA page
has less info.

>