Alternate fuel for cars.

[Ext User(Ron)]

This is an interesting site on alternate fuel.
It is Australian (Melbourne) and I'm wondering what percentage of crap is
in it.

I have a friend who is looking at running his car on water (Hydrogen), who
has a mate that has converted his Commodore to do so. However it is not
totally perfected, but works the V6 around town. It sounds similar to the
"Joe Cell" theory.

http://www.nutech2000.com/shopfront.htm

Obviously the web site is run by a nutter, but some of it is interesting.

For all the "Tech Heads" out there, any ideas?
Snake oil or fact?
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[Ext User(Scotty)]

"Ron" <X101@newsguy.com> wrote in message
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> This is an interesting site on alternate fuel.
> It is Australian (Melbourne) and I'm wondering what percentage of crap is
> in it.
>
> I have a friend who is looking at running his car on water (Hydrogen), who
> has a mate that has converted his Commodore to do so. However it is not
> totally perfected, but works the V6 around town. It sounds similar to the
> "Joe Cell" theory.
>
> http://www.nutech2000.com/shopfront.htm
>
> Obviously the web site is run by a nutter, but some of it is interesting.
>
> For all the "Tech Heads" out there, any ideas?
> Snake oil or fact?
> --
> NewsGuy.Com 30Gb $9.95 Carry Forward and On Demand Bandwidth

Most cars I belive can be converted to run on Hydrongen, its just that the
conversion is so damn hard/expensive/timeconsuming/physically large that its
prohibitive. Hey, if he can do it in a small, safe (being the important bit)
environmentally method, more power to him.

[Ext User(gonesailing_gonefishing)]

Ron wrote:

> This is an interesting site on alternate fuel.
> It is Australian (Melbourne) and I'm wondering what percentage of crap is
> in it.
>
> I have a friend who is looking at running his car on water (Hydrogen), who
> has a mate that has converted his Commodore to do so. However it is not
> totally perfected, but works the V6 around town. It sounds similar to the
> "Joe Cell" theory.
>
> http://www.nutech2000.com/shopfront.htm
>
> Obviously the web site is run by a nutter, but some of it is interesting.
>
> For all the "Tech Heads" out there, any ideas?
> Snake oil or fact?

It's a fact that it's snake oil. Forget the "joe cell," it's pure
shite. Also forget any caper where the car's STANDARD alternator is
used to split water molecules to give H2 and O2 and then the car is
fuelled with the H2 gas. You would need pretty much the total energy
output of the engine to produce electricity to electrolyse water to
produce enough fuel to run the engine.

As for buying hydrogen gas, it's not a great idea. There are some city
buses in some parts of the world burning H2, more as a "hey look, we're
a city caring for the environment," than any realistic alternative to
petroleum fuel. The big bugger with H2 gas is compressing it enough to
give the vehicle a useful range. Hydrogen can be liquified, but that
brings in a whole new world of problems.there should be shitloads of
info on H2 powered transport if you ask google.
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[Ext User(Saus29)]

I hear 'too hard, don't try.'
sounds like the oil companies who make sure any alternatives are eliminated
e.g. solar have got to you.

"gonesailing_gonefishing" <gonesailing_gonefishing@yahoo.com> wrote in
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>
> Ron wrote:
>
>> This is an interesting site on alternate fuel.
>> It is Australian (Melbourne) and I'm wondering what percentage of crap is
>> in it.
>>
>> I have a friend who is looking at running his car on water (Hydrogen),
>> who
>> has a mate that has converted his Commodore to do so. However it is not
>> totally perfected, but works the V6 around town. It sounds similar to
>> the
>> "Joe Cell" theory.
>>
>> http://www.nutech2000.com/shopfront.htm
>>
>> Obviously the web site is run by a nutter, but some of it is interesting.
>>
>> For all the "Tech Heads" out there, any ideas?
>> Snake oil or fact?
>
> It's a fact that it's snake oil. Forget the "joe cell," it's pure
> shite. Also forget any caper where the car's STANDARD alternator is
> used to split water molecules to give H2 and O2 and then the car is
> fuelled with the H2 gas. You would need pretty much the total energy
> output of the engine to produce electricity to electrolyse water to
> produce enough fuel to run the engine.
>
> As for buying hydrogen gas, it's not a great idea. There are some city
> buses in some parts of the world burning H2, more as a "hey look, we're
> a city caring for the environment," than any realistic alternative to
> petroleum fuel. The big bugger with H2 gas is compressing it enough to
> give the vehicle a useful range. Hydrogen can be liquified, but that
> brings in a whole new world of problems.there should be shitloads of
> info on H2 powered transport if you ask google.
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>> NewsGuy.Com 30Gb $9.95 Carry Forward and On Demand Bandwidth
>

[Ext User(gonesailing_gonefishing)]

Saus29 wrote:

> I hear 'too hard, don't try.'

Which issue, specifically?

> sounds like the oil companies who make sure any alternatives are eliminated
> e.g. solar have got to you.

Yeah, yeah, the good old save the world solar car. Sorry, it isn't
going to happen. Do the research, find out the solar energy density and
try building a car the size of a small to medium size vehicle that can
carry a useful load and move at a decent speed with the energy falling
on a car sized solar array.

[Ext User(Magic Mushroom Farmer)]

Looks like we are going back to steam power......,must be plenty of
coal there in yuppie land.
They pulled all the rail tracks here a few years back after the mine
closed down and the diesel price went up and
accreditation/training....yeah thats a joke in itself.... was needed
just to be seen near a rail track letalone drive the dam thing.
Aparently cheaper the run log trucks with orange drivers than the
train,even be it the rail infustructure was in place....
With the amount of logs they are pulping here from 300 year old
forrests from state reserves since the 1900's they could run the train
for the next 25-50 years for free.......and run a fleet of steam
powered trains with the fuel cost saved from trucks traveling over
120km,200km round trip, for each load of logs,10 trucks a day ,24/7/365
for the last 5 years.

Like to see all those bogans riding horsecarts with 200 horses and
owning a few thousand hectares to feed them for a daily trip to the
supermarket........
Yep...how much do I consume?

[Ext User(Tsunami)]

"Saus29" <myob@nosey.com> wrote in message
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> I hear 'too hard, don't try.'
> sounds like the oil companies who make sure any alternatives are
eliminated
> e.g. solar have got to you.
>

If you "hear" that.....you have voices in your head.
If you read the literature (ie research known as "scientific facts" and
"laws of physics which cannot be broken") you will discover it takes so
much energy (ie "fossil fuels") to break down water into hydrogen and
oxygen, that we are back to square one. That is, to run a car for a
kilometre on hydrogen produces just as much greenhouse gases as on petrol or
diesel, because you need to make energy to make the hydrogen.
Futher you use more hydrogen than petrol as it releases less energy upon
combustion.

Maybe you could make a machine that puts solar energy into a big box of
seawater, it desalinises it so we can drink it, and some of it becomes
hydrogen that we can all run our cars on, and the left over oxygen is used a
bleach so we don't use chlorine any more... and there is so much energy left
over that the left over solar can power all our houses.

Sorry, the oil companies "got to" me and made me do it.