Ext User(fasgnadh)
27-03-2006, 02:56 AM
Petzl wrote:
> On Sun, 26 Mar 2006 16:15:39 +0800, Hunter01 <hunter01@iinet.net.au>
> wrote:
>
>
>>horacewachope@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>>On Sun, 26 Mar 2006 15:43:47 +0800, Hunter01 <hunter01@iinet.net.au>
>>>wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>Actually I think most in the legal profession would just laugh at your
>>>>argument, as there is absolutely nothing in the way of substance behind
>>>>it. You've shown us a one-liner that mentions God (and doesn't even
>>>>specify any particular God) on a webpage that happens to also totally
>>>
>>>Petzl's argument is ridiculous, but the God mentioned in the preamble
>>>to the Commonwealth of Australia Constitution Act undoubtedly IS the
>>>"Christian" God (if there is in fact a distinction between the
>>>Christian, Jewish and Muslim Gods).
>>
>>
>>But that's the point. For all intent and purpose they are all different
>>interpretations of the same God, they even recognise many of the same
>>people and events, just in different ways. Also he is arguing to the
>>letter of a line sitting in the constitution, even if we forget the fact
>>that it doesn't remotely mean anything like what he claims it does, does
>>intent really come into it??? If this were to be looked at under
>>contractual law would they not say "sorry guys, too unclear to be worth
>>a pinch of shit"??
>>
>
> Example
> The god that Islam worships is Allah a Stone Idol and "Moon God"
"DECLARATION ON THE RELATION OF THE CHURCH
TO NON-CHRISTIAN RELIGIONS
NOSTRA AETATE
PROCLAIMED BY HIS HOLINESS POPE PAUL VI
3. The Church regards with esteem also the Moslems. They adore the one
God, living and subsisting in Himself; merciful and all- powerful, the
Creator of heaven and earth,(5) who has spoken to men; they take pains
to submit wholeheartedly to even His inscrutable decrees, just as
Abraham, with whom the faith of Islam takes pleasure in linking itself,
submitted to God."
- The leader of the largest Christian denomination acknowledging
the obvious truth that Muslims and Christians worship the ONE GOD!
and tereby exposing the LIES of Petzl, a charlatan and a fraud
who PRETENDS to be a Christian, but preaches H-A-T-E !!!!
http://www.vatican.va/archive/hist_councils/ii_vatican_council/documents/vat-ii_decl_19651028_nostra-aetate_en.html
> The Koran contradicts Christian doctrine in a number of places
You are just ignorant of both Koran and Bible, and so you
live in error.
The religion of God is One!
The differences all depend on the time and people to
whom it is revealed.
Thus Jesus changed food laws given a thousand years earlier
to the Jews, and he gave a new EMPHASSIS to love and forgiveness,
but he DID NOT CHANGE THE CENTRAL CORE OF GOD'S TEACHING, which is
eternal and unchanging: "Love God, and Love one another"
For those who read and understand there is no more change from
the Bible to the Koran than there is from the Old to the New
testament, and in both cases the changes are related to two things;
* The time and people to whom the revelation is given.
(Times change, and so while Gods Law of Love does not alter,
the forms of it's expression must.. you do not speak of Love
to a child in the same way as you do to a sexually mature
adult, or a parent)
* Forms of worship, which God changes as he pleases, as a test.
Those of you who have seen the Life of Brian may remember
the scene where one group siezes on Brians shoe and declares
"Follow the Sacred Sandal!" and another grabs his drinking
gourd as a relic and declares "No, Follow the Hioly Gourd"
The Film mocks their shallowness in fighting over trivial
externalities when they have been given a Prime Directive,
which they ignore: LOVE one another.
In scripture this notion of TESTING the sincerity of believers
is repeated, those that hate, revile or kill believers of
other religions because they stand, rather than kneel, to pray,
have clearly MISSED THE BOAT!
Yet, they have warred over such shit for centuries! 8^o
> and, is
> blasphemy by *all* Christianity (now and then)
>
Not true, here is the Pope, leader of the largest Christian
denomination on the planet proving what a pathetic, lying,
fringe nutter you are;
Acknowledging the Christian's BROTHERS in Islam, by kissing the Koran;
http://www.traditioninaction.org/RevolutionPhotos/A055rcKoran.htm
The Pope and the Queen (DEFENDER OF THE FAITH Petzl PRETENDS to
follow!!! B^)
http://www.traditioninaction.org/RevolutionPhotos/A079rcJPII_ElizII_no_shoes.htm
"The symbolic meeting of the two faiths took place when the
Pope entered the Umayyad Mosque in the Syrian capital of Damascus.
Built in the 8th Century AD, it is the oldest stone mosque in the world,
and has significance for Christians because it contains the tomb of John
the Baptist.
Muslims and Christians prayed together."
"Vatican stresses culture for dialogue with Islam
- Sun Mar 26, 2006 8:35 AM GMT16
VATICAN CITY (Reuters) - In its search for better relations with the
Islamic world, the Roman Catholic Church is turning a spotlight on the
role that culture can play in fostering understanding between peoples of
different faiths."
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> On Sun, 26 Mar 2006 16:15:39 +0800, Hunter01 <hunter01@iinet.net.au>
> wrote:
>
>
>>horacewachope@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>>On Sun, 26 Mar 2006 15:43:47 +0800, Hunter01 <hunter01@iinet.net.au>
>>>wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>Actually I think most in the legal profession would just laugh at your
>>>>argument, as there is absolutely nothing in the way of substance behind
>>>>it. You've shown us a one-liner that mentions God (and doesn't even
>>>>specify any particular God) on a webpage that happens to also totally
>>>
>>>Petzl's argument is ridiculous, but the God mentioned in the preamble
>>>to the Commonwealth of Australia Constitution Act undoubtedly IS the
>>>"Christian" God (if there is in fact a distinction between the
>>>Christian, Jewish and Muslim Gods).
>>
>>
>>But that's the point. For all intent and purpose they are all different
>>interpretations of the same God, they even recognise many of the same
>>people and events, just in different ways. Also he is arguing to the
>>letter of a line sitting in the constitution, even if we forget the fact
>>that it doesn't remotely mean anything like what he claims it does, does
>>intent really come into it??? If this were to be looked at under
>>contractual law would they not say "sorry guys, too unclear to be worth
>>a pinch of shit"??
>>
>
> Example
> The god that Islam worships is Allah a Stone Idol and "Moon God"
"DECLARATION ON THE RELATION OF THE CHURCH
TO NON-CHRISTIAN RELIGIONS
NOSTRA AETATE
PROCLAIMED BY HIS HOLINESS POPE PAUL VI
3. The Church regards with esteem also the Moslems. They adore the one
God, living and subsisting in Himself; merciful and all- powerful, the
Creator of heaven and earth,(5) who has spoken to men; they take pains
to submit wholeheartedly to even His inscrutable decrees, just as
Abraham, with whom the faith of Islam takes pleasure in linking itself,
submitted to God."
- The leader of the largest Christian denomination acknowledging
the obvious truth that Muslims and Christians worship the ONE GOD!
and tereby exposing the LIES of Petzl, a charlatan and a fraud
who PRETENDS to be a Christian, but preaches H-A-T-E !!!!
http://www.vatican.va/archive/hist_councils/ii_vatican_council/documents/vat-ii_decl_19651028_nostra-aetate_en.html
> The Koran contradicts Christian doctrine in a number of places
You are just ignorant of both Koran and Bible, and so you
live in error.
The religion of God is One!
The differences all depend on the time and people to
whom it is revealed.
Thus Jesus changed food laws given a thousand years earlier
to the Jews, and he gave a new EMPHASSIS to love and forgiveness,
but he DID NOT CHANGE THE CENTRAL CORE OF GOD'S TEACHING, which is
eternal and unchanging: "Love God, and Love one another"
For those who read and understand there is no more change from
the Bible to the Koran than there is from the Old to the New
testament, and in both cases the changes are related to two things;
* The time and people to whom the revelation is given.
(Times change, and so while Gods Law of Love does not alter,
the forms of it's expression must.. you do not speak of Love
to a child in the same way as you do to a sexually mature
adult, or a parent)
* Forms of worship, which God changes as he pleases, as a test.
Those of you who have seen the Life of Brian may remember
the scene where one group siezes on Brians shoe and declares
"Follow the Sacred Sandal!" and another grabs his drinking
gourd as a relic and declares "No, Follow the Hioly Gourd"
The Film mocks their shallowness in fighting over trivial
externalities when they have been given a Prime Directive,
which they ignore: LOVE one another.
In scripture this notion of TESTING the sincerity of believers
is repeated, those that hate, revile or kill believers of
other religions because they stand, rather than kneel, to pray,
have clearly MISSED THE BOAT!
Yet, they have warred over such shit for centuries! 8^o
> and, is
> blasphemy by *all* Christianity (now and then)
>
Not true, here is the Pope, leader of the largest Christian
denomination on the planet proving what a pathetic, lying,
fringe nutter you are;
Acknowledging the Christian's BROTHERS in Islam, by kissing the Koran;
http://www.traditioninaction.org/RevolutionPhotos/A055rcKoran.htm
The Pope and the Queen (DEFENDER OF THE FAITH Petzl PRETENDS to
follow!!! B^)
http://www.traditioninaction.org/RevolutionPhotos/A079rcJPII_ElizII_no_shoes.htm
"The symbolic meeting of the two faiths took place when the
Pope entered the Umayyad Mosque in the Syrian capital of Damascus.
Built in the 8th Century AD, it is the oldest stone mosque in the world,
and has significance for Christians because it contains the tomb of John
the Baptist.
Muslims and Christians prayed together."
"Vatican stresses culture for dialogue with Islam
- Sun Mar 26, 2006 8:35 AM GMT16
VATICAN CITY (Reuters) - In its search for better relations with the
Islamic world, the Roman Catholic Church is turning a spotlight on the
role that culture can play in fostering understanding between peoples of
different faiths."
------------
The Official [Est. June 2000] aus.culture.true-blue FAQ ;
http://geocities.com/fairdinkum_trueblue/faq.html
The true-blue Homestead;
http://geocities.com/fairdinkum_trueblue/
The true-blue Hall Of Fame;
http://www.geocities.com/trueblue_hall_of_fame/index.html
The Tuckerbox;
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