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16-10-2005, 06:58 PM
"k r u d l e r" <tell..it..to..the..hand@tv.com> wrote in message
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> "Somefella" <footyrocks@iprimus.com.au> wrote in message
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>> "Neil Green" <nrgreenNOSPAM@optusnet.com.au> wrote in message
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>>> "deker" <deker@19> wrote in message
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>>>> Neil Green wrote:
>>>>> "deker" <deker@19> wrote in message
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>>>>>
>>>>>>Somefella wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>"Neil Green" <nrgreenNOSPAM@optusnet.com.au> wrote in message
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>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>"k r u d l e r" <tell..it..to..the..hand@tv.com> wrote in message
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>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>"David Clayton" <dcstar@XYZ.myrealbox.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>news:pan.2005.10.11.23.23.28.536244@XYZ.myrealbox. com...
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>From:
>>>>>>>>>>http://www.realfooty.theage.com.au/realfooty/articles/2005/10/11/1128796527551.html
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Recycling shown to be just rubbish
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>By Michael Gleeson
>>>>>>>>>>October 12, 2005
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>OF THE 13 players to arrive at Optus Oval from other clubs under
>>>>>>>>>>Denis
>>>>>>>>>>Pagan, only six remain. The theory of making silk purses from
>>>>>>>>>>sows' ears
>>>>>>>>>>has been proven hogwash.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Admittedly, there was an element of necessity about the
>>>>>>>>>>experiment, for
>>>>>>>>>>the loss of draft picks for cheating the salary cap made early
>>>>>>>>>>picks
>>>>>>>>>>scarce. But the notion that this could be compensated for by
>>>>>>>>>>trading the
>>>>>>>>>>remaining picks and resurrecting the careers of players who tried
>>>>>>>>>>and
>>>>>>>>>>failed at other clubs was always thin. Now it has been proven
>>>>>>>>>>unsustainable.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Nick Stevens remains the only gilt-edged arrival since Pagan. But
>>>>>>>>>>he fell
>>>>>>>>>>in Carlton's lap, a fortuitous product of Port Adelaide
>>>>>>>>>>pig-headedness.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Ruckman Barnaby French has been worthwhile, but came at a cost -
>>>>>>>>>>pick 16
>>>>>>>>>>in 2003.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Heath Scotland is intriguing. Carlton gave up what would have been
>>>>>>>>>>its
>>>>>>>>>>next live pick (No. 35) after Andrew Walker and losing its draft
>>>>>>>>>>picks in
>>>>>>>>>>2003. Scotland, more than most, has delivered. But pick 35 is not
>>>>>>>>>>a bad
>>>>>>>>>>pick. Pacy Essendon prospect Ricky Dyson and Amon Buchanan, who
>>>>>>>>>>played
>>>>>>>>>>recently in Sydney's premiership were both taken shortly
>>>>>>>>>>afterwards.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>David Teague was bundled in a trade with Digby Morrell for Corey
>>>>>>>>>>McKernan.
>>>>>>>>>>Morrell now has been delisted. Teague won the best and fairest in
>>>>>>>>>>his
>>>>>>>>>>first season at Carlton, but this year was a more modest return.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Jordan Bannister, after only five games this year and most of the
>>>>>>>>>>season
>>>>>>>>>>in the VFL, would remain doubtful to be at Carlton next year.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Mick Martyn was the howler of all the decisions. Carlton people
>>>>>>>>>>cringe to
>>>>>>>>>>contemplate their club nursing a North Melbourne player to his
>>>>>>>>>>300th game
>>>>>>>>>>and chairing him from the ground in a year the team finished 15th.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Daniel Harford, although only 27 when the 2004 season began, was
>>>>>>>>>>past it.
>>>>>>>>>>The Blues gave up pick 51 for Harford and fellow ex-Hawk Brett
>>>>>>>>>>Johnson,
>>>>>>>>>>one of yesterday's casualties.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>While it is easy to dismiss the trading as a necessity, this is
>>>>>>>>>>hollow.
>>>>>>>>>>Carlton could have had picks from 35 onwards. Sure that sounds
>>>>>>>>>>late, but
>>>>>>>>>>the players who now offer Carlton hope - Kade Simpson, Brad Fisher
>>>>>>>>>>and
>>>>>>>>>>Adrian Deluca - were all taken after pick 45.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>PAGAN'S RETREADS
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Mick Martyn: '02 national draft (ex-Kangaroos). Retired end '03.
>>>>>>>>>>13 games.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Jordan Bannister: pick 69 in '03 national draft. Ex-Essendon. 22
>>>>>>>>>>games,
>>>>>>>>>>five in '05. Still on list.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Glen Bowyer: pick 63 in '03 national draft (ex-Hawthorn). 7 games.
>>>>>>>>>>Retired
>>>>>>>>>>end '05.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>David Clarke: traded end '03 from Geelong. 12 games. Delisted '05.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Daniel Harford: traded end '03 from Hawthorn. Retired end '04. 9
>>>>>>>>>>games.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Brett Johnson: traded end '03 from Hawthorn. 32 games. Delisted
>>>>>>>>>>end '05.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Cory McGrath: traded end '03 from Essendon. 31 games, 19 this
>>>>>>>>>>year. Still
>>>>>>>>>>on list.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Digby Morrell: traded end '03 from Kangaroos. 32 games. Delisted
>>>>>>>>>>end '05.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Ricky Mott: pick 57 in '03 national draft. Delisted end '04. 2
>>>>>>>>>>games.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Heath Scotland: traded from Collingwood. 41 games. Still playing.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Nick Stevens: pre-season draft, 42 games. Still playing.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>David Teague: traded by Kangaroos. 43 games. Still playing. Won
>>>>>>>>>>'04 B & F.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>EQUATION: 13 players. 6 remain.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Barnaby French: traded from Port Adelaide. 51 games. Still playing
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Christened "The Graves" by the KRUDLER and now all can see why
>>>>>>>>>......... LOL
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>$850,000.00 per year and this is what they get from the highest
>>>>>>>>>paid "coach" in the AFL , oh and thumbs up for the rest of the
>>>>>>>>>coaching group from the board in reality no sackings as no one in
>>>>>>>>>their right mind would want to come on board this sunken vessel ..
>>>>>>>>>..
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>What a sad little joke this once reasonable club has become
>>>>>>>>>.........As I've said all along ... Pagan is the highest paid coach
>>>>>>>>>with little or no clue .......... I just love the way Graves fans
>>>>>>>>>stick by him until he is sacked one day and then expect a tirade
>>>>>>>>>from them just like they did with Elliot , Britain and now Compo
>>>>>>>>>... What a lovely bunch of folk down at the cemetery .....LOL
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>c];-)
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Christened whatever by whoever, the Carlton Football Club is still
>>>>>>>>the number one topic on ASAR.
>>>>>>>>Krud can't stop talking about us (It's becoming a bit obsessive
>>>>>>>>really), journalists can't stop writing about us, people in the
>>>>>>>>street are humming "Lilly of Laguna".
>>>>>>>>And why?
>>>>>>>>Is it because we are the most successful team in history?
>>>>>>>>I think there's more to it than that.
>>>>>>>>I think it's the jumper, the song,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Ok stop right there... the song???
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Dada dada dada! Give me a break! Your Guernsey is also pretty
>>>>>>>hideous.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>the song is a cruel joke. ever notice the way players mumble the end
>>>>>>of the line that goes "we're the only team that Carlton...". and that
>>>>>>bit about keeping their ends up.. lol (expecting predictable Freo
>>>>>>oriented backlash)
>>>>>>
>>>>>>The jumper is the best going around, for mine, followed by the Tigers
>>>>>>with their WA colours :)
>>>>>>
>>>>>>deker
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> You guys are tone deaf!
>>>>
>>>> not really.... just not into kidding myself that I'm into the same
>>>> music that my great, great, great, great, great grandparents were into
>>>> just because it happens to be my team song. I can't honestly
>>>> understand how anyone under the age of 40 could actually like it.
>>>>
>>>> deker
>>>
>>> Well I'm not under 40 Deks but my 22 year old daughter loves it!
>>> It just grows on ya'.
>>
>> Is she any good? :P
>
>
> dude that's shocking ............ you still haven't learnt from all those
> years ago ... tisk tisk
You're a dick sometimes.... only you and lazlet would take that seriously.
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> "Somefella" <footyrocks@iprimus.com.au> wrote in message
> news:sps3f.17028$U51.12188@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
>>
>> "Neil Green" <nrgreenNOSPAM@optusnet.com.au> wrote in message
>> news:434e1819$0$21046$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.a u...
>>>
>>> "deker" <deker@19> wrote in message
>>> news:434e1378$0$13954$5a62ac22@per-qv1-newsreader-01.iinet.net.au...
>>>> Neil Green wrote:
>>>>> "deker" <deker@19> wrote in message
>>>>> news:434e1129$0$13954$5a62ac22@per-qv1-newsreader-01.iinet.net.au...
>>>>>
>>>>>>Somefella wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>"Neil Green" <nrgreenNOSPAM@optusnet.com.au> wrote in message
>>>>>>>news:434cea4a$0$18086$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.a u...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>"k r u d l e r" <tell..it..to..the..hand@tv.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>news:434c6457$0$25815$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.a u...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>"David Clayton" <dcstar@XYZ.myrealbox.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>news:pan.2005.10.11.23.23.28.536244@XYZ.myrealbox. com...
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>From:
>>>>>>>>>>http://www.realfooty.theage.com.au/realfooty/articles/2005/10/11/1128796527551.html
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Recycling shown to be just rubbish
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>By Michael Gleeson
>>>>>>>>>>October 12, 2005
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>OF THE 13 players to arrive at Optus Oval from other clubs under
>>>>>>>>>>Denis
>>>>>>>>>>Pagan, only six remain. The theory of making silk purses from
>>>>>>>>>>sows' ears
>>>>>>>>>>has been proven hogwash.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Admittedly, there was an element of necessity about the
>>>>>>>>>>experiment, for
>>>>>>>>>>the loss of draft picks for cheating the salary cap made early
>>>>>>>>>>picks
>>>>>>>>>>scarce. But the notion that this could be compensated for by
>>>>>>>>>>trading the
>>>>>>>>>>remaining picks and resurrecting the careers of players who tried
>>>>>>>>>>and
>>>>>>>>>>failed at other clubs was always thin. Now it has been proven
>>>>>>>>>>unsustainable.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Nick Stevens remains the only gilt-edged arrival since Pagan. But
>>>>>>>>>>he fell
>>>>>>>>>>in Carlton's lap, a fortuitous product of Port Adelaide
>>>>>>>>>>pig-headedness.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Ruckman Barnaby French has been worthwhile, but came at a cost -
>>>>>>>>>>pick 16
>>>>>>>>>>in 2003.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Heath Scotland is intriguing. Carlton gave up what would have been
>>>>>>>>>>its
>>>>>>>>>>next live pick (No. 35) after Andrew Walker and losing its draft
>>>>>>>>>>picks in
>>>>>>>>>>2003. Scotland, more than most, has delivered. But pick 35 is not
>>>>>>>>>>a bad
>>>>>>>>>>pick. Pacy Essendon prospect Ricky Dyson and Amon Buchanan, who
>>>>>>>>>>played
>>>>>>>>>>recently in Sydney's premiership were both taken shortly
>>>>>>>>>>afterwards.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>David Teague was bundled in a trade with Digby Morrell for Corey
>>>>>>>>>>McKernan.
>>>>>>>>>>Morrell now has been delisted. Teague won the best and fairest in
>>>>>>>>>>his
>>>>>>>>>>first season at Carlton, but this year was a more modest return.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Jordan Bannister, after only five games this year and most of the
>>>>>>>>>>season
>>>>>>>>>>in the VFL, would remain doubtful to be at Carlton next year.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Mick Martyn was the howler of all the decisions. Carlton people
>>>>>>>>>>cringe to
>>>>>>>>>>contemplate their club nursing a North Melbourne player to his
>>>>>>>>>>300th game
>>>>>>>>>>and chairing him from the ground in a year the team finished 15th.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Daniel Harford, although only 27 when the 2004 season began, was
>>>>>>>>>>past it.
>>>>>>>>>>The Blues gave up pick 51 for Harford and fellow ex-Hawk Brett
>>>>>>>>>>Johnson,
>>>>>>>>>>one of yesterday's casualties.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>While it is easy to dismiss the trading as a necessity, this is
>>>>>>>>>>hollow.
>>>>>>>>>>Carlton could have had picks from 35 onwards. Sure that sounds
>>>>>>>>>>late, but
>>>>>>>>>>the players who now offer Carlton hope - Kade Simpson, Brad Fisher
>>>>>>>>>>and
>>>>>>>>>>Adrian Deluca - were all taken after pick 45.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>PAGAN'S RETREADS
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Mick Martyn: '02 national draft (ex-Kangaroos). Retired end '03.
>>>>>>>>>>13 games.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Jordan Bannister: pick 69 in '03 national draft. Ex-Essendon. 22
>>>>>>>>>>games,
>>>>>>>>>>five in '05. Still on list.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Glen Bowyer: pick 63 in '03 national draft (ex-Hawthorn). 7 games.
>>>>>>>>>>Retired
>>>>>>>>>>end '05.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>David Clarke: traded end '03 from Geelong. 12 games. Delisted '05.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Daniel Harford: traded end '03 from Hawthorn. Retired end '04. 9
>>>>>>>>>>games.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Brett Johnson: traded end '03 from Hawthorn. 32 games. Delisted
>>>>>>>>>>end '05.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Cory McGrath: traded end '03 from Essendon. 31 games, 19 this
>>>>>>>>>>year. Still
>>>>>>>>>>on list.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Digby Morrell: traded end '03 from Kangaroos. 32 games. Delisted
>>>>>>>>>>end '05.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Ricky Mott: pick 57 in '03 national draft. Delisted end '04. 2
>>>>>>>>>>games.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Heath Scotland: traded from Collingwood. 41 games. Still playing.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Nick Stevens: pre-season draft, 42 games. Still playing.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>David Teague: traded by Kangaroos. 43 games. Still playing. Won
>>>>>>>>>>'04 B & F.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>EQUATION: 13 players. 6 remain.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Barnaby French: traded from Port Adelaide. 51 games. Still playing
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Christened "The Graves" by the KRUDLER and now all can see why
>>>>>>>>>......... LOL
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>$850,000.00 per year and this is what they get from the highest
>>>>>>>>>paid "coach" in the AFL , oh and thumbs up for the rest of the
>>>>>>>>>coaching group from the board in reality no sackings as no one in
>>>>>>>>>their right mind would want to come on board this sunken vessel ..
>>>>>>>>>..
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>What a sad little joke this once reasonable club has become
>>>>>>>>>.........As I've said all along ... Pagan is the highest paid coach
>>>>>>>>>with little or no clue .......... I just love the way Graves fans
>>>>>>>>>stick by him until he is sacked one day and then expect a tirade
>>>>>>>>>from them just like they did with Elliot , Britain and now Compo
>>>>>>>>>... What a lovely bunch of folk down at the cemetery .....LOL
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>c];-)
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Christened whatever by whoever, the Carlton Football Club is still
>>>>>>>>the number one topic on ASAR.
>>>>>>>>Krud can't stop talking about us (It's becoming a bit obsessive
>>>>>>>>really), journalists can't stop writing about us, people in the
>>>>>>>>street are humming "Lilly of Laguna".
>>>>>>>>And why?
>>>>>>>>Is it because we are the most successful team in history?
>>>>>>>>I think there's more to it than that.
>>>>>>>>I think it's the jumper, the song,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Ok stop right there... the song???
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Dada dada dada! Give me a break! Your Guernsey is also pretty
>>>>>>>hideous.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>the song is a cruel joke. ever notice the way players mumble the end
>>>>>>of the line that goes "we're the only team that Carlton...". and that
>>>>>>bit about keeping their ends up.. lol (expecting predictable Freo
>>>>>>oriented backlash)
>>>>>>
>>>>>>The jumper is the best going around, for mine, followed by the Tigers
>>>>>>with their WA colours :)
>>>>>>
>>>>>>deker
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> You guys are tone deaf!
>>>>
>>>> not really.... just not into kidding myself that I'm into the same
>>>> music that my great, great, great, great, great grandparents were into
>>>> just because it happens to be my team song. I can't honestly
>>>> understand how anyone under the age of 40 could actually like it.
>>>>
>>>> deker
>>>
>>> Well I'm not under 40 Deks but my 22 year old daughter loves it!
>>> It just grows on ya'.
>>
>> Is she any good? :P
>
>
> dude that's shocking ............ you still haven't learnt from all those
> years ago ... tisk tisk
You're a dick sometimes.... only you and lazlet would take that seriously.