Players that are unsigned and on the move

[Ext User(TMG)]

How does your team fair up?


http://www.realfooty.theage.com.au/articles/2005/10/12/1128796590866.html


Cheers

[Ext User(Sanctify)]

TMG wrote:
> How does your team fair up?
>
>
> http://www.realfooty.theage.com.au/articles/2005/10/12/1128796590866.html
>
>
> Cheers
>
>
>
What I want to know is why Collingdood think Jeff White is worth
$2,4000,000 over three seasons??? And even more amazingly, why the fuck
did White re-sign with Melbourne for $1,500,000 for three seasons?

[Ext User(deker)]

Sanctify wrote:
> TMG wrote:
>
>> How does your team fair up?
>>
>>
>> http://www.realfooty.theage.com.au/articles/2005/10/12/1128796590866.html
>>
>>
>> Cheers
>>
>>
>>
> What I want to know is why Collingdood think Jeff White is worth
> $2,4000,000 over three seasons???

four seasons. can u imagine his manager.. "Jeff, the good news is that
you've been offered $2.4M over the next four years. But the bad news is..."

deker

[Ext User(David Clayton)]

On Wed, 19 Oct 2005 12:20:05 +0800, deker wrote:
......
>> What I want to know is why Collingdood think Jeff White is worth
>> $2,4000,000 over three seasons???
>
> four seasons. can u imagine his manager.. "Jeff, the good news is that
> you've been offered $2.4M over the next four years. But the bad news
> is..."
>
And you probably wouldn't get any time off the sentence for good behaviour!

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Melbourne, Victoria, Australia.
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[Ext User(Mark Shea)]

TMG wrote:
> How does your team fair up?
>
>
> http://www.realfooty.theage.com.au/articles/2005/10/12/1128796590866.html

ANDREW SIEGERT (out of contract)
DYLAN SMITH (delisted)
TROY COOK (out of contract)
SHANE PARKER (out of contract)
DANIEL GILMOUR (out of contract)
*Two other players out of contract

I like all of those players - some of them lots.

I wouldn't be surprised if we rookie list Smith or something absurd like
that. We almost always do that.

I in the end agreed with the idea that Daniel Gilmore wasn't a backman
after Anthony Jones kicked six goals on him in a half. Good on the
rebound, but really should be able to defend slightly better. I'd still
like to hold onto him, though.

Losing Cook or Paker would be disastrous. I'm still a big fan of Siegert.

Mark Shea

[Ext User(Sanctify)]

deker wrote:
> Sanctify wrote:
>
>> TMG wrote:
>>
>>> How does your team fair up?
>>>
>>>
>>> http://www.realfooty.theage.com.au/articles/2005/10/12/1128796590866.html
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Cheers
>>>
>>>
>>>
>> What I want to know is why Collingdood think Jeff White is worth
>> $2,4000,000 over three seasons???
>
>
> four seasons. can u imagine his manager.. "Jeff, the good news is that
> you've been offered $2.4M over the next four years. But the bad news
> is..."

You'd think they'd have learnt after throwing all that cash at Woey.

[Ext User(deker)]

Sanctify wrote:
> deker wrote:
>
>> Sanctify wrote:
>>
>>> TMG wrote:
>>>
>>>> How does your team fair up?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> http://www.realfooty.theage.com.au/articles/2005/10/12/1128796590866.html
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Cheers
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>> What I want to know is why Collingdood think Jeff White is worth
>>> $2,4000,000 over three seasons???
>>
>>
>>
>> four seasons. can u imagine his manager.. "Jeff, the good news is
>> that you've been offered $2.4M over the next four years. But the bad
>> news is..."
>
>
> You'd think they'd have learnt after throwing all that cash at Woey.

I don't think they have the team to spend so much money on one ruckman.

deker

[Ext User(Epigram)]

On 10/19/2005 13:13:29 Mark Shea <zadeja@hotmail.com> wrote:

> How does your team fair up?

>>http://www.realfooty.theage.com.au/articles/2005/10/12/1128796590866.html

> ANDREW SIEGERT (out of contract) DYLAN SMITH (delisted) TROY COOK (out of
> contract) SHANE PARKER (out of contract) DANIEL GILMOUR (out of contract)
> *Two other players out of contract

> I like all of those players - some of them lots.

> I wouldn't be surprised if we rookie list Smith or something absurd like
> that. We almost always do that.

Sometimes to make room in the salary cap, that needs to be done. Sadly for
the players. If Hayden and/or Haddrill are injured next year, and are
eligible for the long term injury list, then Smith will come off the rookie
list before anyone else.

> I in the end agreed with the idea that Daniel Gilmore wasn't a backman
> after Anthony Jones kicked six goals on him in a half. Good on the
> rebound, but really should be able to defend slightly better. I'd still
> like to hold onto him, though.

> Losing Cook or Paker would be disastrous. I'm still a big fan of Siegert.

Cook and Parker last I heard were still negotiating deals. I can't see
either taking their chances in the draft. But it does beg the question -
if not re-signed, why weren't they put up for trades? A simple answer is
that they are "required players" (gotta love the jargon these days), and
will be re-signed.

So, I can't see either of those two going through the draft to another
club.

Siegert did get better as the season progressed, but only because as a
fringe player he had to.

Gilmore probably will stay as well.

The Age mentions 2 other players out of contract. It wouldn't surprise me
if they weren't that up to date and one of those two was Medhurst, who has
re-signed. The Age is like the Herald Sun but taking two tram/train seats
to read it instead of one... I don't put a lot of faith in it, though more
than the Worst Australian.

> Mark Shea
--

Toby

--
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[Ext User(Epigram)]

On 10/20/2005 07:12:44 deker <deker@19> wrote:

> Sanctify wrote:

>> deker wrote:

>>> Sanctify wrote:

>>>> TMG wrote:

>>>>> How does your team fair up?

>>>>> http://www.realfooty.theage.com.au/articles/2005/10/12/1128796590866-
>>>>> .html

>>>>> Cheers

>>>> What I want to know is why Collingdood think Jeff White is worth
>>>> $2,4000,000 over three seasons???

>>> four seasons. can u imagine his manager.. "Jeff, the good news is that
>>> you've been offered $2.4M over the next four years. But the bad news
>>> is..."

>> You'd think they'd have learnt after throwing all that cash at Woey.

> I don't think they have the team to spend so much money on one ruckman.

> deker

Yet the Doods need a ruckman. A real atheletic, run all day ruckman. Not
an old, over-weight, injury prone, ex forward, or to the other extreme an
old, under-weight, injury prone, ex forward....
--

Toby

--
I saw a funny thing on the way here. So I laughed.

(If you really want to email me, you'd know the address)

[Ext User(Sanctify)]

deker wrote:
> Sanctify wrote:
>
>> deker wrote:
>>
>>> Sanctify wrote:
>>>
>>>> TMG wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> How does your team fair up?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.realfooty.theage.com.au/articles/2005/10/12/1128796590866.html
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Cheers
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> What I want to know is why Collingdood think Jeff White is worth
>>>> $2,4000,000 over three seasons???
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> four seasons. can u imagine his manager.. "Jeff, the good news is
>>> that you've been offered $2.4M over the next four years. But the bad
>>> news is..."
>>
>>
>>
>> You'd think they'd have learnt after throwing all that cash at Woey.
>
>
> I don't think they have the team to spend so much money on one ruckman.

If they're that keen then Primus is avaliable.

[Ext User(deker)]

Epigram wrote:
> On 10/20/2005 07:12:44 deker <deker@19> wrote:
>
>
>>Sanctify wrote:
>
>
>>>deker wrote:
>
>
>>>>Sanctify wrote:
>
>
>>>>>TMG wrote:
>
>
>>>>>>How does your team fair up?
>
>
>>>>>>http://www.realfooty.theage.com.au/articles/2005/10/12/1128796590866-
>>>>>>.html
>
>
>>>>>>Cheers
>
>
>>>>>What I want to know is why Collingdood think Jeff White is worth
>>>>>$2,4000,000 over three seasons???
>
>
>>>>four seasons. can u imagine his manager.. "Jeff, the good news is that
>>>>you've been offered $2.4M over the next four years. But the bad news
>>>>is..."
>
>
>>>You'd think they'd have learnt after throwing all that cash at Woey.
>
>
>>I don't think they have the team to spend so much money on one ruckman.
>
>
>>deker
>
>
> Yet the Doods need a ruckman. A real atheletic, run all day ruckman. Not
> an old, over-weight, injury prone, ex forward, or to the other extreme an
> old, under-weight, injury prone, ex forward....

They do need a good ruckman or two, but they need more than that. IMO,
you don't spend that much $$$ to lock in a 28yo ruckman for four years
unless you expect to win a flag during that time. I rate White, but the
'doods don't have the midfield to feed off him so getting him is
pointless. Much rather go with a gun running brigade and good ordinary
ruckmen, the likes of which have won most of the GFs of the 2000s.

deker

[Ext User(deker)]

Epigram wrote:
> On 10/19/2005 13:13:29 Mark Shea <zadeja@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>>How does your team fair up?
>
>
>>>http://www.realfooty.theage.com.au/articles/2005/10/12/1128796590866.html
>
>
>>ANDREW SIEGERT (out of contract) DYLAN SMITH (delisted) TROY COOK (out of
>>contract) SHANE PARKER (out of contract) DANIEL GILMOUR (out of contract)
>>*Two other players out of contract
>
>
>>I like all of those players - some of them lots.
>
>
>>I wouldn't be surprised if we rookie list Smith or something absurd like
>>that. We almost always do that.
>
>
> Sometimes to make room in the salary cap, that needs to be done. Sadly for
> the players. If Hayden and/or Haddrill are injured next year, and are
> eligible for the long term injury list, then Smith will come off the rookie
> list before anyone else.
>
>
>>I in the end agreed with the idea that Daniel Gilmore wasn't a backman
>>after Anthony Jones kicked six goals on him in a half. Good on the
>>rebound, but really should be able to defend slightly better. I'd still
>>like to hold onto him, though.
>
>
>>Losing Cook or Paker would be disastrous. I'm still a big fan of Siegert.
>
>
> Cook and Parker last I heard were still negotiating deals. I can't see
> either taking their chances in the draft. But it does beg the question -
> if not re-signed, why weren't they put up for trades? A simple answer is
> that they are "required players" (gotta love the jargon these days), and
> will be re-signed.
>
> So, I can't see either of those two going through the draft to another
> club.
>
> Siegert did get better as the season progressed, but only because as a
> fringe player he had to.
>
> Gilmore probably will stay as well.
>
> The Age mentions 2 other players out of contract. It wouldn't surprise me
> if they weren't that up to date and one of those two was Medhurst, who has
> re-signed. The Age is like the Herald Sun but taking two tram/train seats
> to read it instead of one... I don't put a lot of faith in it, though more
> than the Worst Australian.

The Worst was good value yesterday, with that pic of Rashad Tucker
waving hello to Scott Fisher, - and that pic of Abel Xavier who is
apparently on drugs. i wonder what tipped them off :)

deker

[Ext User(David Clayton)]

On Thu, 20 Oct 2005 00:20:37 +0000, Epigram wrote:
.......
> Yet the Doods need a ruckman. A real atheletic, run all day ruckman. Not
> an old, over-weight, injury prone, ex forward, or to the other extreme an
> old, under-weight, injury prone, ex forward....
>
Nah, they have the Clokes, what more do you need?...... ;-)

--
Regards, David.

David Clayton, e-mail: dcstar@XYZ.myrealbox.com
Melbourne, Victoria, Australia.
(Remove the "XYZ." to reply)

Knowledge is a measure of how many answers you have,
intelligence is a measure of how many questions you have.

[Ext User(Jezza)]

"deker" <deker@19> wrote in message
news:4356efbe$0$28041$5a62ac22@per-qv1-newsreader-01.iinet.net.au...
> Epigram wrote:
>> On 10/20/2005 07:12:44 deker <deker@19> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Sanctify wrote:
>>
>>
>>>>deker wrote:
>>
>>
>>>>>Sanctify wrote:
>>
>>
>>>>>>TMG wrote:
>>
>>
>>>>>>>How does your team fair up?
>>
>>
>>>>>>>http://www.realfooty.theage.com.au/articles/2005/10/12/1128796590866-
>>>>>>>.html
>>
>>
>>>>>>>Cheers
>>
>>
>>>>>>What I want to know is why Collingdood think Jeff White is worth
>>>>>>$2,4000,000 over three seasons???
>>
>>
>>>>>four seasons. can u imagine his manager.. "Jeff, the good news is
>>>>>that
>>>>>you've been offered $2.4M over the next four years. But the bad news
>>>>>is..."
>>
>>
>>>>You'd think they'd have learnt after throwing all that cash at Woey.
>>
>>
>>>I don't think they have the team to spend so much money on one ruckman.
>>
>>
>>>deker
>>
>>
>> Yet the Doods need a ruckman. A real atheletic, run all day ruckman.
>> Not
>> an old, over-weight, injury prone, ex forward, or to the other extreme an
>> old, under-weight, injury prone, ex forward....
>
> They do need a good ruckman or two, but they need more than that. IMO,
> you don't spend that much $$$ to lock in a 28yo ruckman for four years
> unless you expect to win a flag during that time. I rate White, but the
> 'doods don't have the midfield to feed off him so getting him is
> pointless. Much rather go with a gun running brigade and good ordinary
> ruckmen, the likes of which have won most of the GFs of the 2000s.

You're right that it's stupid and a waste of money for a club in
Collingwood's position to be trying to get a player like White, but that's
what they do best...get out the cheque book...

They've got Guy Richards who's a reasonable player and Josh Fraser can pinch
hit there...I think they probably need one more, maybe they'll pick Pat
Ryder, an aboriginal ruckman from East Freo (they seem to have all the good
kids!) with one of their early picks...

[Ext User(Mark Shea)]

Jezza wrote:

> They've got Guy Richards who's a reasonable player and Josh Fraser can pinch
> hit there...I think they probably need one more, maybe they'll pick Pat
> Ryder, an aboriginal ruckman from East Freo (they seem to have all the good
> kids!) with one of their early picks...

They've got a good system going on there, but I think not as good as at
the Sandringham Dragon Factory.

Mark Shea

[Ext User(pharro)]

"David Clayton" <dcstar@XYZ.myrealbox.com> wrote in message
news:pan.2005.10.20.02.47.12.481848@XYZ.myrealbox. com...
> On Thu, 20 Oct 2005 00:20:37 +0000, Epigram wrote:
> ......
>> Yet the Doods need a ruckman. A real atheletic, run all day ruckman.
>> Not
>> an old, over-weight, injury prone, ex forward, or to the other extreme an
>> old, under-weight, injury prone, ex forward....
>>
> Nah, they have the Clokes, what more do you need?...... ;-)
>
>


As Deker says, they need a good, ordinary ruckman. Pool the Clokes'
combined talents into one player and they still aren't quite ordinary.

pharro

[Ext User(Jezza)]

"Mark Shea" <zadeja@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> Jezza wrote:
>
>> They've got Guy Richards who's a reasonable player and Josh Fraser can
>> pinch hit there...I think they probably need one more, maybe they'll pick
>> Pat Ryder, an aboriginal ruckman from East Freo (they seem to have all
>> the good kids!) with one of their early picks...
>
> They've got a good system going on there, but I think not as good as at
> the Sandringham Dragon Factory.
>
> Mark Shea

From all I've heard they're likely to have 4 first round picks this year
with Pat Ryder, Josh Kennedy, Andrew Swallow and Mitchell Clarke all being
highly rated...the first two might even be top 5 picks.

[Ext User(David Clayton)]

On Thu, 20 Oct 2005 21:46:15 +1000, pharro wrote:

>
> "David Clayton" <dcstar@XYZ.myrealbox.com> wrote in message
> news:pan.2005.10.20.02.47.12.481848@XYZ.myrealbox. com...
>> On Thu, 20 Oct 2005 00:20:37 +0000, Epigram wrote: ......
>>> Yet the Doods need a ruckman. A real atheletic, run all day ruckman.
>>> Not
>>> an old, over-weight, injury prone, ex forward, or to the other extreme
>>> an old, under-weight, injury prone, ex forward....
>>>
>> Nah, they have the Clokes, what more do you need?...... ;-)
>>
>>
>>
>
> As Deker says, they need a good, ordinary ruckman. Pool the Clokes'
> combined talents into one player and they still aren't quite ordinary.
>
I'm still waiting to find a problem with this situation......

--
Regards, David.

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Melbourne, Victoria, Australia.
(Remove the "XYZ." to reply)

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[Ext User(deker)]

pharro wrote:
> "David Clayton" <dcstar@XYZ.myrealbox.com> wrote in message
> news:pan.2005.10.20.02.47.12.481848@XYZ.myrealbox. com...
>
>>On Thu, 20 Oct 2005 00:20:37 +0000, Epigram wrote:
>>......
>>
>>>Yet the Doods need a ruckman. A real atheletic, run all day ruckman.
>>>Not
>>>an old, over-weight, injury prone, ex forward, or to the other extreme an
>>>old, under-weight, injury prone, ex forward....
>>>
>>
>>Nah, they have the Clokes, what more do you need?...... ;-)
>>
>>
>
>
>
> As Deker says, they need a good, ordinary ruckman. Pool the Clokes'
> combined talents into one player and they still aren't quite ordinary.
>
> pharro

am i the only one who rates Travis? I know even Jason showed a bit
playing loose across HB early on, but Travis has looked good on occasion
at CHF. Presented, contested and held a fair few of his marks and
despite his name and dopey mug, for a kid of that age, playing that
posi, it's pretty much all you can ask for.

deker

[Ext User(Pete)]

deker wrote:
> pharro wrote:
>
>> "David Clayton" <dcstar@XYZ.myrealbox.com> wrote in message
>> news:pan.2005.10.20.02.47.12.481848@XYZ.myrealbox. com...
>>
>>> On Thu, 20 Oct 2005 00:20:37 +0000, Epigram wrote:
>>> ......
>>>
>>>> Yet the Doods need a ruckman. A real atheletic, run all day
>>>> ruckman. Not
>>>> an old, over-weight, injury prone, ex forward, or to the other
>>>> extreme an
>>>> old, under-weight, injury prone, ex forward....
>>>>
>>>
>>> Nah, they have the Clokes, what more do you need?...... ;-)
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> As Deker says, they need a good, ordinary ruckman. Pool the Clokes'
>> combined talents into one player and they still aren't quite ordinary.
>>
>> pharro
>
>
> am i the only one who rates Travis? I know even Jason showed a bit
> playing loose across HB early on, but Travis has looked good on occasion
> at CHF. Presented, contested and held a fair few of his marks and
> despite his name and dopey mug, for a kid of that age, playing that
> posi, it's pretty much all you can ask for.
>
> deker

You know you could get kicked out of this newsgroup for posting an
unbiased view on any Cloke or Shaw ;)

Pete

P.S. I agree with you on Travis.