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Ext User(Birdman)
21-10-2005, 10:10 AM
more off season crap.. the age strikes again

Time called on measuring time-on
By Michael Gleeson

A RADICAL overhaul of timekeeping being considered by the AFL could
lead to timekeepers automatically stopping the clock whenever a bounce
is called without umpires needing to separately blow the whistle to
signal time-on and off.

Such a change would likely add minutes to quarters, meaning the AFL
could also look at cutting the length of quarters from 20 minutes
before time-on is added.

The proposals stem from a broad-ranging review by the umpiring
department and has included a study of the time lost in two games
during the recent finals series.

A separate timekeeper sat with the official timekeepers during the
matches and measured the amount of time the clock was ticking but no
play was under way.

It was found that about three minutes of playing time a game was lost
just in the period between an umpire calling for a bounce and actually
bouncing the ball.

One option considered was to automatically stop the clock whenever an
umpire crossed his arms to signal a ball-up and then only restart the
clock when the ball left the umpire's hand for a bounce or when thrown
up.

The umpire would not need to separately signal or blow his whistle for
the timekeepers.

At present, time is lost at ball-ups when umpires wait for packs to
clear, then signal their exit path to players before bouncing the
ball.

A change such as that being considered would likely lead to greater
consistency when time-on is applied.

A decision on when to blow the whistle to stop the clock is now
arbitrary and generally influenced by the stage of the game and the
amount of congestion around the ball and how long it would likely take
to clear.

The AFL will examine more matches by video over the summer and if
further reviews reveal large chunks of time — several minutes — were
lost in the average game then there would be a push for change,
possibly as soon as next year. If only minimal time was lost there
would be no case for change.

AFL football operations manager Adrian Anderson confirmed the review
yesterday. "We have had a look at two games and compared the amount of
time lost at bounces compared with the total amount of time-on called
and we are reviewing that information to see how we measure time-on to
see if there might be a better way," Anderson said.

"We will continue to review it and make a decision when we have a
clearer view of how much time is lost in games. No change is planned
at the moment for next season. It is too early to say (if there will
be a change for next year). We just want to know what is the clearest,
most consistent way of measuring time-on. Can we do it better?"

The issue of time-keeping became topical several times this season.

In the Collingwood-Sydney round-13 game, 19 seconds were seemingly
lost, and, after the Sydney-Geelong preliminary final, Cats fans were
perturbed that umpires blew time-on in the close final quarter which
they felt was not the case in the first three quarters.

A change such as the one suggested would eliminate this complaint as
the decision on whether to blow time-on at a field bounce would be out
of the umpires' hands.

Ext User(unbelievacow)
21-10-2005, 11:42 AM
"Birdman" <myknickersfu_kew@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:bfcgl1lgu606vavdgtstjg58cgg6rotfgp@4ax.com...
> more off season crap.. the age strikes again
>
> Time called on measuring time-on
> By Michael Gleeson

[...article snipped...]

I don't think its crap - it's fair and logical. The current system is
arbitrary and susceptible to:
- abuse by players, and
- flawed implementation and interpretation by umpires.

http://groups.google.com.au/group/aus.sport.aussie-rules/msg/e5b2d2ee45edae17?dmode=source&hl=en

Ext User(FootyFacts)
21-10-2005, 06:40 PM
"Birdman" <myknickersfu_kew@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:bfcgl1lgu606vavdgtstjg58cgg6rotfgp@4ax.com...
> more off season crap.. the age strikes again
>
> Time called on measuring time-on
> By Michael Gleeson
>
> The proposals stem from a broad-ranging review by the umpiring
> department and has included a study of the time lost in two games
> during the recent finals series.
>
> A separate timekeeper sat with the official timekeepers during the
> matches and measured the amount of time the clock was ticking but no
> play was under way.
>
> It was found that about three minutes of playing time a game was lost
> just in the period between an umpire calling for a bounce and actually
> bouncing the ball.
>

what a crock of shit
how is the time "lost"
the players use the supposed quiet time
to make position around the ball up
this is still play regardless of whether
the ball is actually in play.

A lot is made in the media about
winning stoppages, it would seem
to me that setting a screen, block whatever
being in the right spot is pretty important.

gF

Ext User(David Clayton)
21-10-2005, 07:18 PM
On Fri, 21 Oct 2005 18:40:32 +1000, FootyFacts wrote:
.......
>> It was found that about three minutes of playing time a game was lost
>> just in the period between an umpire calling for a bounce and actually
>> bouncing the ball.
>>
>>
> what a crock of shit
> how is the time "lost"
> the players use the supposed quiet time to make position around the ball
> up
> this is still play regardless of whether the ball is actually in play.
>
> A lot is made in the media about
> winning stoppages, it would seem
> to me that setting a screen, block whatever being in the right spot is
> pretty important.
>
Not too many years ago, Field Umpires did *not* wait for players to be
ready for ball-ups, they just bounced the ball as soon as they got it and
the game kept going.

Play does not wait for players 10M or 100M away from the ball to be
"ready", why should play be delayed because players 3M away aren't ready?

This modern issue can be easily solved by the umpires not wasting time
waiting for players to stand where they want, fix their make-up etc.

Blow the whistle, call a ball-up, get the footy, put it back into play -
easy.

--
Regards, David.

David Clayton, e-mail: dcstar@XYZ.myrealbox.com
Melbourne, Victoria, Australia.
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Knowledge is a measure of how many answers you have,
intelligence is a measure of how many questions you have.

Ext User(pharro)
21-10-2005, 08:34 PM
"David Clayton" <dcstar@XYZ.myrealbox.com> wrote in message
news:pan.2005.10.21.09.18.20.181813@XYZ.myrealbox. com...
> On Fri, 21 Oct 2005 18:40:32 +1000, FootyFacts wrote:
> ......
>>> It was found that about three minutes of playing time a game was lost
>>> just in the period between an umpire calling for a bounce and actually
>>> bouncing the ball.
>>>
>>>
>> what a crock of shit
>> how is the time "lost"
>> the players use the supposed quiet time to make position around the ball
>> up
>> this is still play regardless of whether the ball is actually in play.
>>
>> A lot is made in the media about
>> winning stoppages, it would seem
>> to me that setting a screen, block whatever being in the right spot is
>> pretty important.
>>
> Not too many years ago, Field Umpires did *not* wait for players to be
> ready for ball-ups, they just bounced the ball as soon as they got it and
> the game kept going.
>
> Play does not wait for players 10M or 100M away from the ball to be
> "ready", why should play be delayed because players 3M away aren't ready?
>
> This modern issue can be easily solved by the umpires not wasting time
> waiting for players to stand where they want, fix their make-up etc.
>
> Blow the whistle, call a ball-up, get the footy, put it back into play -
> easy.
>
>


The same applies to boundary umpires. Of course time on occurs in this
situation so it's not a loss of playing time but the delay compared to the
60's and early 70's is astonishing. Back then the boundary umpires picked up
the ball and tossed it asap. Now they take as much time to steady themselves
as some players take to line up a shot at goal. How far can we be before one
of these ponces pulls up his socks and throws a blade of grass in the air?

pharro

Ext User(David Clayton)
22-10-2005, 08:41 AM
On Fri, 21 Oct 2005 20:34:22 +1000, pharro wrote:

> "David Clayton" <dcstar@XYZ.myrealbox.com> wrote in message
.......
>> This modern issue can be easily solved by the umpires not wasting time
>> waiting for players to stand where they want, fix their make-up etc.
>>
>> Blow the whistle, call a ball-up, get the footy, put it back into play -
>> easy.
>>
> The same applies to boundary umpires. Of course time on occurs in this
> situation so it's not a loss of playing time but the delay compared to the
> 60's and early 70's is astonishing. Back then the boundary umpires picked
> up the ball and tossed it asap. Now they take as much time to steady
> themselves as some players take to line up a shot at goal. How far can we
> be before one of these ponces pulls up his socks and throws a blade of
> grass in the air?
>
Exactly, "problems" like this arise because people just refuse to use
common-sense for the solution, then all of the sudden more mucking around
with the structure of the game is somehow needed!

--
Regards, David.

David Clayton, e-mail: dcstar@XYZ.myrealbox.com
Melbourne, Victoria, Australia.
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Knowledge is a measure of how many answers you have,
intelligence is a measure of how many questions you have.

Ext User(d e k e r)
22-10-2005, 09:36 AM
pharro wrote:
> "David Clayton" <dcstar@XYZ.myrealbox.com> wrote in message
> news:pan.2005.10.21.09.18.20.181813@XYZ.myrealbox. com...
>
>>On Fri, 21 Oct 2005 18:40:32 +1000, FootyFacts wrote:
>>......
>>
>>>>It was found that about three minutes of playing time a game was lost
>>>>just in the period between an umpire calling for a bounce and actually
>>>>bouncing the ball.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>what a crock of shit
>>>how is the time "lost"
>>>the players use the supposed quiet time to make position around the ball
>>>up
>>>this is still play regardless of whether the ball is actually in play.
>>>
>>>A lot is made in the media about
>>>winning stoppages, it would seem
>>>to me that setting a screen, block whatever being in the right spot is
>>>pretty important.
>>>
>>
>>Not too many years ago, Field Umpires did *not* wait for players to be
>>ready for ball-ups, they just bounced the ball as soon as they got it and
>>the game kept going.
>>
>>Play does not wait for players 10M or 100M away from the ball to be
>>"ready", why should play be delayed because players 3M away aren't ready?
>>
>>This modern issue can be easily solved by the umpires not wasting time
>>waiting for players to stand where they want, fix their make-up etc.
>>
>>Blow the whistle, call a ball-up, get the footy, put it back into play -
>>easy.
>>
>>
>
>
>
> The same applies to boundary umpires. Of course time on occurs in this
> situation so it's not a loss of playing time but the delay compared to the
> 60's and early 70's is astonishing. Back then the boundary umpires picked up
> the ball and tossed it asap. Now they take as much time to steady themselves
> as some players take to line up a shot at goal. How far can we be before one
> of these ponces pulls up his socks and throws a blade of grass in the air?

dunno, does The Velvet Sledgehammer plan to umpire after he hangs up his
boots?

deker

Ext User(Gerrit 't Hart)
22-10-2005, 05:18 PM
"pharro" <nospam> wrote in message
news:4358c37b$0$23982$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.a u...
>
>
>
> The same applies to boundary umpires. Of course time on occurs in this
> situation so it's not a loss of playing time but the delay compared to the
> 60's and early 70's is astonishing. Back then the boundary umpires picked
up
> the ball and tossed it asap. Now they take as much time to steady
themselves
> as some players take to line up a shot at goal. How far can we be before
one
> of these ponces pulls up his socks and throws a blade of grass in the air?
>
> pharro
>
>

But just think of the potential for advertising revenue!
Every break could be stretched out and the time sold to advertisers.
Before we know it we will have a game that looks like that gridiron stuff.

Gerrit