Players lucky still to be with their respective clubs

[Ext User(Zane)]

Following the finalising of club lists prior to the National Draft,
I've noted below players who can consider themselves lucky to not have
been cut by their clubs.

Adelaide
# Matthew Bode: 26 years old and only 11 games in the last two years.
At his best is a very good player but injuries have effected him.
# Matthew Clarke: 32 & 6 games this year. Only Hudson's injury has
kept him on the list.
# Kris Massie: 25 & 15 games in the last two years.

Brisbane
# Beau McDonald: 26 & 0 games in the last two years. It's a big
gamble for Brisbane to release Mclaren & spaandemaan but keep McDonald.

Carlton
# Jordan Bannister: 23 & 36 games in 5 years since debut.
# Callum Chambers: 26 & 19 games in the last two years.
# Luke Livingston: 23 & 14 games in the last two years. He was a top
4 draft choice so really should have played far more games this (even
accounting for his injuries).
# Trent Sporn: 23 & 19 games in the last two years.

Collingwood
# Guy Richards: 22 & 14 games overall

Essendon
# Aaron Henneman: 25 & 17 games in the last two years.
# Justin Murphy: 29. Spent some time in the reserves this year and
many thought he'd be cut.
# Paul Thomas: 23 & 8 games. 2004 Magarey Medallist didn't set the
AFL on fire.

Fremantle
# Jarrad Schofield: 30 & 10 geames this year.
# Shaun McManus: 29 & 7 games this year.
# Roger Hayden: 25 & 0 games this year.
# Daniel Haines: 24 & 0 games in the last two years.

Geelong
# Paul Koularitis: 23 & 20 games overall.
# Cameron Thurley: 24 & 7 games.

Hawthorn
# Matthew Ball: 23 & 14 games overall.
# John Barker: 30 & 16 games in the last two years.

Kangaroos
# Chad Jones: 21 & 3 games
# Ben Schwarze: 22 & 0 games.

Melbourne
# Nathan Carroll: 25 & 10 games in the last two years
# Mark Jamar: 22 & 20 games overall.

Port
# Elijah Ware: 22 & 0 games. He had a serious knee injury this year
and may not be back for a while either.

Richmond
# Kelvin Moore: 21 & 15 games overall.

St Kilda:
# Barry Brooks: 22 & 7 games overall. I saw him in action earlier
this year and if I were coach, I would have sacked him there and then.
# Jason Gram: 21 & 9 games overall.
# Allan Murray: 23 & 12 games overall.
# At least one of either Peckett or Thompson. Both will be 34 next
year and while they are both useful players, only champions should
still be playing AFL at 34.

Sydney
# David Spriggs, 24 & 10 games in the last two years.

West Coast
# Brad Smith, 26 & 0 games

Bulldogs
# Adam Morgan, 24 & 14 games overall. I thought he was useless at
Port and I can't believe that he's still on an AFL club list.

When seeing the baove list, one has to feel sorry for the likes of
Guerra, Spaandemann, Mclaren & Lokan who have all been delisted.

Zane

[Ext User(Ron Burgundy)]

"Zane" <crackerf@hotmail.com> wrote in
news:1131258051.589667.326030@g47g2000cwa.googlegr oups.com:

> Following the finalising of club lists prior to the National Draft,
> I've noted below players who can consider themselves lucky to not have
> been cut by their clubs.
>
> Adelaide
> # Matthew Bode: 26 years old and only 11 games in the last two
> years.
> At his best is a very good player but injuries have effected him.
> # Matthew Clarke: 32 & 6 games this year. Only Hudson's injury has
> kept him on the list.
> # Kris Massie: 25 & 15 games in the last two years.
>
> Brisbane
> # Beau McDonald: 26 & 0 games in the last two years. It's a big
> gamble for Brisbane to release Mclaren & spaandemaan but keep
> McDonald.
>
> Carlton
> # Jordan Bannister: 23 & 36 games in 5 years since debut.
> # Callum Chambers: 26 & 19 games in the last two years.
> # Luke Livingston: 23 & 14 games in the last two years. He was a top
> 4 draft choice so really should have played far more games this (even
> accounting for his injuries).
> # Trent Sporn: 23 & 19 games in the last two years.
>
> Collingwood
> # Guy Richards: 22 & 14 games overall
>
> Essendon
> # Aaron Henneman: 25 & 17 games in the last two years.
> # Justin Murphy: 29. Spent some time in the reserves this year and
> many thought he'd be cut.
> # Paul Thomas: 23 & 8 games. 2004 Magarey Medallist didn't set the
> AFL on fire.
>
> Fremantle
> # Jarrad Schofield: 30 & 10 geames this year.
> # Shaun McManus: 29 & 7 games this year.
> # Roger Hayden: 25 & 0 games this year.
> # Daniel Haines: 24 & 0 games in the last two years.
>
> Geelong
> # Paul Koularitis: 23 & 20 games overall.
> # Cameron Thurley: 24 & 7 games.

# Matthew McCarthy. How many games in the last two years? Two?


--

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[Ext User(Jezza)]

"Zane" <crackerf@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1131258051.589667.326030@g47g2000cwa.googlegr oups.com...
> Following the finalising of club lists prior to the National Draft,
> I've noted below players who can consider themselves lucky to not have
> been cut by their clubs.
>
> Adelaide
> # Matthew Bode: 26 years old and only 11 games in the last two years.
> At his best is a very good player but injuries have effected him.
> # Matthew Clarke: 32 & 6 games this year. Only Hudson's injury has
> kept him on the list.
> # Kris Massie: 25 & 15 games in the last two years.
>
> Brisbane
> # Beau McDonald: 26 & 0 games in the last two years. It's a big
> gamble for Brisbane to release Mclaren & spaandemaan but keep McDonald.

Not that big a gamble as he'll only be on a one-year base contract. He was
briefly one of the best tap ruckmen in the league, before his terrible run
with injuries. Whether he can back to that form I don't know, but they've
also got Keating and Charman, along with Cameron Wood who's a highly rated
youngster.

> Carlton
> # Jordan Bannister: 23 & 36 games in 5 years since debut.
> # Callum Chambers: 26 & 19 games in the last two years.
> # Luke Livingston: 23 & 14 games in the last two years. He was a top
> 4 draft choice so really should have played far more games this (even
> accounting for his injuries).
> # Trent Sporn: 23 & 19 games in the last two years.

Livingston has had a lot of injuries in his career, but you're right, he's
still been very disappointing. I really thought this was the year he'd
establish himself, but he got injured in Round 1, then got injured again
soon after coming back and struggled thereafter. He's on a 1-year deal, so
next year is his make or break year. Sporn has shown good signs in previous
seasons, despite a number of injuries as well, but he was crap this year. I
think they both deserve one more year to prove themselves though.

Bannister, Chambers, Longmuir, Prendergast and Wiggins are the lucky ones at
Carlton. From what I've heard some of them have been saved the chop mainly
because they have one more year to go on their contract, but I find it hard
to believe all of them are. I'd like to see at least two more of that lot
given the chop, but it doesn't seem like it's gonna happen. The only other
player who'll be delisted (eventually) will be Campo...

> Collingwood
> # Guy Richards: 22 & 14 games overall

Don't think he's lucky to be there...was very, very raw when he was drafted
but seemed to be developing into a decent ruckman before a bad year with
injuries this year.

> Essendon
> # Aaron Henneman: 25 & 17 games in the last two years.
> # Justin Murphy: 29. Spent some time in the reserves this year and
> many thought he'd be cut.
> # Paul Thomas: 23 & 8 games. 2004 Magarey Medallist didn't set the
> AFL on fire.

All very lucky to still be there...Henneman is a Sheedy project though, so
he'll be kept around until he's 30 even if he doesn't get any better. Thomas
looks a pretty average player, and Murphy's probably only been kept around
so Campo can have a friendly face there.

> Fremantle
> # Jarrad Schofield: 30 & 10 geames this year.
> # Shaun McManus: 29 & 7 games this year.
> # Roger Hayden: 25 & 0 games this year.
> # Daniel Haines: 24 & 0 games in the last two years.
>
> Geelong
> # Paul Koularitis: 23 & 20 games overall.
> # Cameron Thurley: 24 & 7 games.

Koulouriotis and Thurley both showed something in their games this year.
Thurley was taken as a mature age recruit from the Tasmanian VFL team and
has looked pretty good in a couple of games...Geelong seem to have a lot of
half forward types...

> Hawthorn
> # Matthew Ball: 23 & 14 games overall.
> # John Barker: 30 & 16 games in the last two years.

Barker's only going to be kept on the list if he can prove his fitness, etc.
If he breaks down again, he's gooorn.

> Kangaroos
> # Chad Jones: 21 & 3 games
> # Ben Schwarze: 22 & 0 games.
>
> Melbourne
> # Nathan Carroll: 25 & 10 games in the last two years
> # Mark Jamar: 22 & 20 games overall.
>
> Port
> # Elijah Ware: 22 & 0 games. He had a serious knee injury this year
> and may not be back for a while either.
>
> Richmond
> # Kelvin Moore: 21 & 15 games overall.
>
> St Kilda:
> # Barry Brooks: 22 & 7 games overall. I saw him in action earlier
> this year and if I were coach, I would have sacked him there and then.
> # Jason Gram: 21 & 9 games overall.
> # Allan Murray: 23 & 12 games overall.
> # At least one of either Peckett or Thompson. Both will be 34 next
> year and while they are both useful players, only champions should
> still be playing AFL at 34.
>
> Sydney
> # David Spriggs, 24 & 10 games in the last two years.
>
> West Coast
> # Brad Smith, 26 & 0 games

Bit harsh....he was only drafted last year and his season was ended before
it began...at least give him a chance to see if he's good enough...

> Bulldogs
> # Adam Morgan, 24 & 14 games overall. I thought he was useless at
> Port and I can't believe that he's still on an AFL club list.

Agreed.

[Ext User(Swooper)]

On Tue, 8 Nov 2005 01:43:26 +1100, "Jezza"
<jezza_16@spammersblowgoatsyahoo.com> wrote:

>
>"Zane" <crackerf@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>news:1131258051.589667.326030@g47g2000cwa.googlegr oups.com...
>> Following the finalising of club lists prior to the National Draft,
>> I've noted below players who can consider themselves lucky to not have
>> been cut by their clubs.
>>
>> Adelaide
>> # Matthew Bode: 26 years old and only 11 games in the last two years.
>> At his best is a very good player but injuries have effected him.
>> # Matthew Clarke: 32 & 6 games this year. Only Hudson's injury has
>> kept him on the list.
>> # Kris Massie: 25 & 15 games in the last two years.
>>
>> Brisbane
>> # Beau McDonald: 26 & 0 games in the last two years. It's a big
>> gamble for Brisbane to release Mclaren & spaandemaan but keep McDonald.
>
>Not that big a gamble as he'll only be on a one-year base contract. He was
>briefly one of the best tap ruckmen in the league, before his terrible run
>with injuries. Whether he can back to that form I don't know, but they've
>also got Keating and Charman, along with Cameron Wood who's a highly rated
>youngster.
>
>> Carlton
>> # Jordan Bannister: 23 & 36 games in 5 years since debut.
>> # Callum Chambers: 26 & 19 games in the last two years.
>> # Luke Livingston: 23 & 14 games in the last two years. He was a top
>> 4 draft choice so really should have played far more games this (even
>> accounting for his injuries).
>> # Trent Sporn: 23 & 19 games in the last two years.
>
>Livingston has had a lot of injuries in his career, but you're right, he's
>still been very disappointing. I really thought this was the year he'd
>establish himself, but he got injured in Round 1, then got injured again
>soon after coming back and struggled thereafter. He's on a 1-year deal, so
>next year is his make or break year. Sporn has shown good signs in previous
>seasons, despite a number of injuries as well, but he was crap this year. I
>think they both deserve one more year to prove themselves though.
>
>Bannister, Chambers, Longmuir, Prendergast and Wiggins are the lucky ones at
>Carlton. From what I've heard some of them have been saved the chop mainly
>because they have one more year to go on their contract, but I find it hard
>to believe all of them are. I'd like to see at least two more of that lot
>given the chop, but it doesn't seem like it's gonna happen. The only other
>player who'll be delisted (eventually) will be Campo...
>
>> Collingwood
>> # Guy Richards: 22 & 14 games overall
>
>Don't think he's lucky to be there...was very, very raw when he was drafted
>but seemed to be developing into a decent ruckman before a bad year with
>injuries this year.
>
>> Essendon
>> # Aaron Henneman: 25 & 17 games in the last two years.
>> # Justin Murphy: 29. Spent some time in the reserves this year and
>> many thought he'd be cut.
>> # Paul Thomas: 23 & 8 games. 2004 Magarey Medallist didn't set the
>> AFL on fire.
>
>All very lucky to still be there...Henneman is a Sheedy project though, so
>he'll be kept around until he's 30 even if he doesn't get any better. Thomas
>looks a pretty average player, and Murphy's probably only been kept around
>so Campo can have a friendly face there.
>
>> Fremantle
>> # Jarrad Schofield: 30 & 10 geames this year.
>> # Shaun McManus: 29 & 7 games this year.
>> # Roger Hayden: 25 & 0 games this year.
>> # Daniel Haines: 24 & 0 games in the last two years.
>>
>> Geelong
>> # Paul Koularitis: 23 & 20 games overall.
>> # Cameron Thurley: 24 & 7 games.
>
>Koulouriotis and Thurley both showed something in their games this year.
>Thurley was taken as a mature age recruit from the Tasmanian VFL team and
>has looked pretty good in a couple of games...Geelong seem to have a lot of
>half forward types...
>
>> Hawthorn
>> # Matthew Ball: 23 & 14 games overall.
>> # John Barker: 30 & 16 games in the last two years.
>
>Barker's only going to be kept on the list if he can prove his fitness, etc.
>If he breaks down again, he's gooorn.
>
>> Kangaroos
>> # Chad Jones: 21 & 3 games
>> # Ben Schwarze: 22 & 0 games.
>>
>> Melbourne
>> # Nathan Carroll: 25 & 10 games in the last two years
>> # Mark Jamar: 22 & 20 games overall.
>>
>> Port
>> # Elijah Ware: 22 & 0 games. He had a serious knee injury this year
>> and may not be back for a while either.
>>
>> Richmond
>> # Kelvin Moore: 21 & 15 games overall.
>>
>> St Kilda:
>> # Barry Brooks: 22 & 7 games overall. I saw him in action earlier
>> this year and if I were coach, I would have sacked him there and then.
>> # Jason Gram: 21 & 9 games overall.
>> # Allan Murray: 23 & 12 games overall.
>> # At least one of either Peckett or Thompson. Both will be 34 next
>> year and while they are both useful players, only champions should
>> still be playing AFL at 34.
>>
>> Sydney
>> # David Spriggs, 24 & 10 games in the last two years.
>>
>> West Coast
>> # Brad Smith, 26 & 0 games
>
>Bit harsh....he was only drafted last year and his season was ended before
>it began...at least give him a chance to see if he's good enough...
>
>> Bulldogs
>> # Adam Morgan, 24 & 14 games overall. I thought he was useless at
>> Port and I can't believe that he's still on an AFL club list.
>
>Agreed.
>
From what I have seen of Morgan, he can play, but his fitness compared
to others is abysmal, hence is injury prone and never looks settled in
the team. Both he and Walsh have been given this pre season to show
they can improve their track work ethic, or face the season at
Werribee.

hooroo....

[Ext User(Zane)]

Ron Burgundy wrote:
> "Zane" <crackerf@hotmail.com> wrote in
> news:1131258051.589667.326030@g47g2000cwa.googlegr oups.com:
>
> > Following the finalising of club lists prior to the National Draft,
> > I've noted below players who can consider themselves lucky to not have
> > been cut by their clubs.
> >

> >
> > Fremantle
> > # Jarrad Schofield: 30 & 10 geames this year.
> > # Shaun McManus: 29 & 7 games this year.
> > # Roger Hayden: 25 & 0 games this year.
> > # Daniel Haines: 24 & 0 games in the last two years.
> >
> > Geelong
> > # Paul Koularitis: 23 & 20 games overall.
> > # Cameron Thurley: 24 & 7 games.
>
> # Matthew McCarthy. How many games in the last two years? Two?
>

I meant to include McCarthy on the list but forgot him. Still, anyone
6'6" usually gets some leeway, which makes it all the more surprising
that the Lions dumped Spaandemaan (who is only 19). I can only imagine
it must have been on discipline grounds.

Zane