Well...I'm *trying* to feel some sympathy...

[Ext User(Mark Shea)]

http://afl.com.au/default.asp?pg=news&spg=display&articleid=249242

""When do they start clocking Tiger Woods, when he walks onto the
green," Sheedy said."

Because, you know, thirty seconds is *way* to short a time to have a
shot at goal. Lloyd and Fevola are the worst offenders - few, if any,
other players need such long periods to kick for goal.

And this would all have been fine if
a) Lloyd and Fevola weren't so precious about their runups.
b) Umpires were actually capable of making sensible decisions instead of
requiring a hard and fast fixed rule.

Mark Shea

[Ext User(David J Richardson)]

In article
<4409237a$0$21895$5a62ac22@per-qv1-newsreader-01.iinet.net.au>,
Mark Shea <zadeja@hotmail.com> wrote:

> http://afl.com.au/default.asp?pg=news&spg=display&articleid=249242
>
> ""When do they start clocking Tiger Woods, when he walks onto the
> green," Sheedy said."
>
> Because, you know, thirty seconds is *way* to short a time to have a
> shot at goal. Lloyd and Fevola are the worst offenders - few, if any,
> other players need such long periods to kick for goal.

(The stats show plenty of players between 30 seconds and Lloyd's 44,
and they'll all get screamed at to hurry up once 20 seconds pass. But
whatever.)

It's completely disorganised, and it'll be hard to make it otherwise.
Does time start from the mark/free, when you get up, when the ball gets
back to you, or when the ump finishes telling you to move 3 cm to the
right?

If it's the latter, it should be pretty easy to abuse!

Won't speak for Fevola, but I'm pretty sure you'd find Lloyd wastes
less game time than the vast majority of forwards after a mark. If he's
not having a shot at goal, he invariably plays on/kicks immediately.
Otherwise, the ump stops the clock.

If the AFL was serious in avoiding the horrible boredom we face of a
chance to take a breath, they'd combine two of their new
rules/practices, and ensure the (substitute) ball was bounced within 15
seconds of the goal being scored...

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[Ext User(Dave Turner)]

But how can you accurately kick at goal if you don't first judge how wind
affects grass thrown in the air?

[Ext User(DAC)]

> And this would all have been fine if
> a) Lloyd and Fevola weren't so precious about their runups.
> b) Umpires were actually capable of making sensible decisions instead of
> requiring a hard and fast fixed rule.
>
> Mark Shea

I think the point is the umpires should shut there fucken mouth unless the
30 seconds is up then call play on.
On several of lloyds kicks the umpire was talking to him to hurry up after
just 5-10 seconds, totally unneeded.

[Ext User(Dave Turner)]

> On several of lloyds kicks the umpire was talking to him to hurry up after
> just 5-10 seconds, totally unneeded.
fair call, but they know what Lloydy is like

[Ext User(deker)]

Mark Shea wrote:
> http://afl.com.au/default.asp?pg=news&spg=display&articleid=249242
>
> ""When do they start clocking Tiger Woods, when he walks onto the
> green," Sheedy said."

"what does a golfing precedent have to do with AFL football?"

did any of the brainless journos bother to ask Sheeds that?
why, when deciding if something is suitable for AFL, do we need to look
into other, less enlightened sports?

deker

[Ext User(deker)]

Dave Turner wrote:
>>On several of lloyds kicks the umpire was talking to him to hurry up after
>>just 5-10 seconds, totally unneeded.
>
> fair call, but they know what Lloydy is like

so shut the fuck up and blow the whistle when he's taken too long.
eventually the penny will drop, even for a smart cookie like lloyd.

deker

[Ext User(Statsware)]

"deker" <deker@19> wrote in message news:440bdf2d$0$14518$5a62ac22@per-qv1-newsreader-01.iinet.net.au...
> Mark Shea wrote:
>> http://afl.com.au/default.asp?pg=news&spg=display&articleid=249242
>>
>> ""When do they start clocking Tiger Woods, when he walks onto the green," Sheedy said."
>
> "what does a golfing precedent have to do with AFL football?"
>
> did any of the brainless journos bother to ask Sheeds that?
> why, when deciding if something is suitable for AFL, do we need to look into other, less enlightened sports?
>
> deker

besides which Sheedy is totally wrong (as usual!)

The laws of golf allow any club/tournament rules committee
to set any time limit they like for any part of play
The PGA TOUR has a two stroke penalty for unduly slow play
(which has been used frequently)

You also have only 5 minutes to find a lost ball
and 10 seconds for a ball to fall into the hole
after you have putted it, if it actually falls in
after 11 seconds (ie you should have marked it)
you could incur a penalty!

gregF

[Ext User(Dave Turner)]

> Mark Shea wrote:
>> http://afl.com.au/default.asp?pg=news&spg=display&articleid=249242
>>
>> ""When do they start clocking Tiger Woods, when he walks onto the green,"
>> Sheedy said."
>
> "what does a golfing precedent have to do with AFL football?"
>
> did any of the brainless journos bother to ask Sheeds that?

fair call again deks - comparing a kick for goal and teeing off in golf is
just another meaningless apples and oranges comparison, and a poor attempt
at diverting attention away from the problem at hand

[Ext User(Dave Turner)]

> besides which Sheedy is totally wrong (as usual!)
>
> The laws of golf allow any club/tournament rules committee
> to set any time limit they like for any part of play
> The PGA TOUR has a two stroke penalty for unduly slow play
> (which has been used frequently)
>
> You also have only 5 minutes to find a lost ball
> and 10 seconds for a ball to fall into the hole
> after you have putted it, if it actually falls in
> after 11 seconds (ie you should have marked it)
> you could incur a penalty!
>
> gregF

well put - golf has its own laws. dunno what Sheeds was smoking in order to
find a comparison between teeing off in golf and a shot at goal in AFL but
im guessing it smells skunky

[Ext User(Sanctify)]

Mark Shea wrote:
> http://afl.com.au/default.asp?pg=news&spg=display&articleid=249242
>
> ""When do they start clocking Tiger Woods, when he walks onto the
> green," Sheedy said."
>
> Because, you know, thirty seconds is *way* to short a time to have a
> shot at goal. Lloyd and Fevola are the worst offenders - few, if any,
> other players need such long periods to kick for goal.

Lloyd is a fucking fairy when it comes to kicking for goal. I
understand that he might have rituals, but seriously - throwing grass in
the air to check the wind direction indoors is just a joke. If I were
coaching I'd have someone standing behind him just abusing him as he did
all of that. The good stuff, "Oh, that's right, throw the grass you
fucking queer. Now pull the socks up, play with your dick."

It wasn't that long ago that Scott 'Humphrey Bear' Cummings came out and
said that he only did his 'goal kicking routine' because he wanted to
waste time and stop play. I suspect that Lloyd and Fev are much the
same. it's just designed to stop the play, get messages out and
reorganise. Nothing more, nothing less. Daicos and Gablett rarely took
that long with set shots did they?

I'd be quite happy to see the rule carried over into the game proper.

[Ext User(deker)]

Sanctify wrote:
> Mark Shea wrote:
>
>> http://afl.com.au/default.asp?pg=news&spg=display&articleid=249242
>>
>> ""When do they start clocking Tiger Woods, when he walks onto the
>> green," Sheedy said."
>>
>> Because, you know, thirty seconds is *way* to short a time to have a
>> shot at goal. Lloyd and Fevola are the worst offenders - few, if any,
>> other players need such long periods to kick for goal.
>
>
> Lloyd is a fucking fairy when it comes to kicking for goal. I
> understand that he might have rituals, but seriously - throwing grass in
> the air to check the wind direction indoors is just a joke. If I were
> coaching I'd have someone standing behind him just abusing him as he did
> all of that. The good stuff, "Oh, that's right, throw the grass you
> fucking queer. Now pull the socks up, play with your dick."
>
> It wasn't that long ago that Scott 'Humphrey Bear' Cummings came out and
> said that he only did his 'goal kicking routine' because he wanted to
> waste time and stop play. I suspect that Lloyd and Fev are much the
> same. it's just designed to stop the play, get messages out and
> reorganise. Nothing more, nothing less. Daicos and Gablett rarely took
> that long with set shots did they?
>
> I'd be quite happy to see the rule carried over into the game proper.

Can you imagine Lloyd at any sort of social gathering? someone farts
and he throws grass in the air...

deker

[Ext User(David J Richardson)]

In article <7exPf.1040$dy4.922@news-server.bigpond.net.au>,
Sanctify <web@acab.com> wrote:

> it's just designed to stop the play, get messages out and reorganise.
> Nothing more, nothing less. Daicos and Gablett rarely took that long
> with set shots did they?
>
> I'd be quite happy to see the rule carried over into the game proper.

Um, it *is* in the game proper.

Unless you mean as an actual rule, not an umpiring guideline (I can't
see the former working in a practical sense).

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