Blu Ray DVD available?

[Ext User(DAVO)]

Still receiving propaganda from DVDSoon. Interesting Blu Ray discs are
available. Roll on players and recorders.

*Blu-Ray DVD*
Saw (Blu-ray Disc) - $25.98 CAD
Crash (Blu-ray Disc) - $35.98 CAD
Lord of War (Blu-ray Disc) - $35.98 CAD
Resident Evil: Apocalypse (Blu-ray Disc) - $25.98 CAD
The Fifth Element (Blu-ray Disc) - $25.98 CAD

DAVO

[Ext User(Kirilenko)]

On Tue, 04 Apr 2006 21:57:17 GMT, "DAVO" <davideo@hotmail.com> wrote:

>Still receiving propaganda from DVDSoon. Interesting Blu Ray discs are
>available. Roll on players and recorders.
>
>*Blu-Ray DVD*
>Saw (Blu-ray Disc) - $25.98 CAD
>Crash (Blu-ray Disc) - $35.98 CAD
>Lord of War (Blu-ray Disc) - $35.98 CAD
>Resident Evil: Apocalypse (Blu-ray Disc) - $25.98 CAD
>The Fifth Element (Blu-ray Disc) - $25.98 CAD
>
>DAVO
>

Yes

The Blu-ray discs have been released in the US 1-2 months before the
players.

[Ext User(SalesMart.com.au)]

On Tue, 04 Apr 2006 21:57:17 GMT, "DAVO" <davideo@hotmail.com> wrote:

>Still receiving propaganda from DVDSoon. Interesting Blu Ray discs are
>available. Roll on players and recorders.
>
>*Blu-Ray DVD*
>Saw (Blu-ray Disc) - $25.98 CAD
>Crash (Blu-ray Disc) - $35.98 CAD
>Lord of War (Blu-ray Disc) - $35.98 CAD
>Resident Evil: Apocalypse (Blu-ray Disc) - $25.98 CAD
>The Fifth Element (Blu-ray Disc) - $25.98 CAD
>
>DAVO

They were going to release the Blu Ray players last month but
everythings been put on hold due to the copy protection fiasco.

If you want full info on this I do have a number of large documents
about HD-DVD and Blu-Ray and the mess that its creating for those who
will be wanting to create their own HD videos.

There is no way I'd be buying either HD-DVD or Blu-Ray until this is
all sorted out and in any case the first release players/drives will
cost an arm and a leg. Give it time and the prices will fall but due
to the copy protection fiasco it may end this new technolgy before it
began. It all begs belief, it really does. Both have spent many
millions of dollars on these two new technolgies and at the 11th hour
they have stuffed it all up in such a way that it has to damage sales.

More info on my Blu-Ray page at:
http://www.salesmart.com.au/blu-ray/blu-ray-burners/

What should have happened is that should have released the drives and
players just like they did with DivX compatible players.

Hopefully lessons will be leant come the release of HDV in the next
few years.

SalesMart.com.au
Perth, Western Australia
http://www.salesmart.com.au
*******************************************
Email Contact info on the above site.
*******************************************

[Ext User(Ian Galbraith)]

On Wed, 05 Apr 2006 03:33:48 GMT, SalesMart.com.au wrote:

[snip]

> Hopefully lessons will be leant come the release of HDV in the next
> few years.

Isn't HVD being driven from Asia and therefore they don't have the same
copyright concerns?


--
You can't stop the signal

[Ext User(DAVO)]

"SalesMart.com.au" <sales@___Email_Address_on_Web_site> wrote in message
news:443334d6.501812@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
> On Tue, 04 Apr 2006 21:57:17 GMT, "DAVO" <davideo@hotmail.com> wrote:


SNIP>
> More info on my Blu-Ray page at:
> http://www.salesmart.com.au/blu-ray/blu-ray-burners/
>
> What should have happened is that should have released the drives and
> players just like they did with DivX compatible players.
>
> Hopefully lessons will be leant come the release of HDV in the next
> few years.
>
> SalesMart.com.au
> Perth, Western Australia
> http://www.salesmart.com.au

Thanks for that Colin. Can't believe the fiasco with this all over again.
Yes you are right in waiting as will I be.
I still remember my first DVD Recorder which I still have and still use
(Panasonic DMR-E30) that cost me $4,000 and blank DVDs were $49
EACH.......Then Apple offered me some for $10 ea if I bought 50 at a time,
which I did will add I.

Anyway back to the HDV and Blu Ray issue, as in the end we will all be the
losers, trust me.

DAVO

[Ext User(JustMe)]

Yeah it's always a similar story, but when the LG, Samsung and host of
Chinese players start hitting the market.... Sony, Pioneer, Panasonic et al
will loosen their restrictions as they have with region coding for DVD
players.

"SalesMart.com.au" <sales@___Email_Address_on_Web_site> wrote in message
news:443334d6.501812@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
> On Tue, 04 Apr 2006 21:57:17 GMT, "DAVO" <davideo@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>>Still receiving propaganda from DVDSoon. Interesting Blu Ray discs are
>>available. Roll on players and recorders.
>>
>>*Blu-Ray DVD*
>>Saw (Blu-ray Disc) - $25.98 CAD
>>Crash (Blu-ray Disc) - $35.98 CAD
>>Lord of War (Blu-ray Disc) - $35.98 CAD
>>Resident Evil: Apocalypse (Blu-ray Disc) - $25.98 CAD
>>The Fifth Element (Blu-ray Disc) - $25.98 CAD
>>
>>DAVO
>
> They were going to release the Blu Ray players last month but
> everythings been put on hold due to the copy protection fiasco.
>
> If you want full info on this I do have a number of large documents
> about HD-DVD and Blu-Ray and the mess that its creating for those who
> will be wanting to create their own HD videos.
>
> There is no way I'd be buying either HD-DVD or Blu-Ray until this is
> all sorted out and in any case the first release players/drives will
> cost an arm and a leg. Give it time and the prices will fall but due
> to the copy protection fiasco it may end this new technolgy before it
> began. It all begs belief, it really does. Both have spent many
> millions of dollars on these two new technolgies and at the 11th hour
> they have stuffed it all up in such a way that it has to damage sales.
>
> More info on my Blu-Ray page at:
> http://www.salesmart.com.au/blu-ray/blu-ray-burners/
>
> What should have happened is that should have released the drives and
> players just like they did with DivX compatible players.
>
> Hopefully lessons will be leant come the release of HDV in the next
> few years.
>
> SalesMart.com.au
> Perth, Western Australia
> http://www.salesmart.com.au
> *******************************************
> Email Contact info on the above site.
> *******************************************
>

[Ext User(DAVO)]

"JustMe" <Please_don't_hassleme@home> wrote in message
news:44334ba5$0$7603$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au ...
> Yeah it's always a similar story, but when the LG, Samsung and host of
> Chinese players start hitting the market.... Sony, Pioneer, Panasonic et
al
> will loosen their restrictions as they have with region coding for DVD
> players.

You are exactly right. I remember years ago being criticised in here when I
began a post titled "Thank you Chinese DVD Players" which of course referred
to exactly what you are saying above and of course you are absolutely
correct.

DAVO

[Ext User(The_Amalgamut)]

HD-DVD will be the winner in this format war. As much as I would like
Blu ray to win, HD-DVD is far more attractive with the entry level
player from Toshy at $499 USD, which I can see landing here for no more
than $650 AUD when it debuts at the end of this year. I am already
thinking of importing a unit from the states when it goes on sale in
two weeks time if all goes well. As the NTSC/PAL differences obviously
wont be an issue anymore with the resolution of these machines and
discs. I just need to work out whether the unit is voltage selectable
or will I need a step down power converter.

We already know that Blu-Ray is going to be way more expensive, and
given Sony's track record with Propriety formats such as Mini Disc,
UMD, Memory Stick, ATRAC you would think they would have learnt by now.
Granted the PS3 will feature a Blu-Ray drive but if these puppies land
for anything less than $1000 AUD later this year I will be impressed.
After all Microsoft have said that there will be no discounting of the
current XBOX 360 for at least year because at $650 for the premium
console pack it is still a far more attractive proposition than the
price point of a $1000 PS3. That is a very ballsy statement from
someone who doesn't currently have dominance in the console market.
Sony really needs to stick to making quality A/V components and get out
of exclusive formats all together.

On lighter note it seems that a lot of the studios are holding off on
deploying the Image Constraint Token on their discs for early adopters
and leaving the "Component Analogue Outs" to run 1080i/p output instead
of exclusively through the HDMI output.

There is a God!

Later Kids!

A.

[Ext User(Justin)]

The_Amalgamut wrote:

> After all Microsoft have said that there will be no discounting of the
> current XBOX 360 for at least year because at $650 for the premium
> console pack it is still a far more attractive proposition than the
> price point of a $1000 PS3. That is a very ballsy statement from
> someone who doesn't currently have dominance in the console market.

Seen an XBOX 360 in action? They'll have dominance in the console market
pretty quickly - certainly well before the PS3 arrives. The front end to
Media Center (Media Center extender) capability is something most won't
care about for another 12-24 months, but they will eventually.

Justin

[Ext User(Kirilenko)]

>We already know that Blu-Ray is going to be way more expensive, and
>given Sony's track record with Propriety formats such as Mini Disc,
>UMD, Memory Stick, ATRAC you would think they would have learnt by now

Blu-Ray isn't a propriety format though

[Ext User(Trevor Wilson)]

"The_Amalgamut" <ajbethell@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> HD-DVD will be the winner in this format war.

**Nope. And not for several reasons:

* Blu Ray has higher capacity.
* Blu Ray has far more use for the computer/gaming industry.
* The computer/gaming industry is MUCH larger than the movie industry.
* Whatever the computer/gaming industry decides will be the 'winner' will be
the winner.
* Blu Ray has stronger, harder to crack copy protection.
* Blu Ray is supported by more influential companies.

In any case, it is largely acedemic. Blu Ray and HD-DVD are very close in
technical specs. Dual machines will be available almost instantly after
launch. It will be about as big a deal as the difference between DVD+ and
DVD-. IOW: It is a non-issue. Eventually, Blu Ray will consign HD-DVD to
history.


--
Trevor Wilson
www.rageaudio.com.au

[Ext User(Oz)]

"Trevor Wilson" <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> wrote in message
news:44335c27$0$87574$c30e37c6@ken-reader.news.telstra.net...
<snip>
> * Whatever the computer/gaming industry decides will be the 'winner' will
> be the winner.
> * Blu Ray has stronger, harder to crack copy protection.

and this one is the one reason that the Computer/Gaming community will NOT
use it !
Oz
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On Wed, 5 Apr 2006 15:57:01 +1000, "Trevor Wilson"
<trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> wrote:

>
>"The_Amalgamut" <ajbethell@gmail.com> wrote in message
>news:1144213900.236738.107050@z34g2000cwc.googlegr oups.com...
>> HD-DVD will be the winner in this format war.
>
>**Nope. And not for several reasons:
>
>* Blu Ray has higher capacity.
>* Blu Ray has far more use for the computer/gaming industry.
>* The computer/gaming industry is MUCH larger than the movie industry.
>* Whatever the computer/gaming industry decides will be the 'winner' will be
>the winner.
>* Blu Ray has stronger, harder to crack copy protection.
>* Blu Ray is supported by more influential companies.
>
>In any case, it is largely acedemic. Blu Ray and HD-DVD are very close in
>technical specs. Dual machines will be available almost instantly after
>launch. It will be about as big a deal as the difference between DVD+ and
>DVD-. IOW: It is a non-issue. Eventually, Blu Ray will consign HD-DVD to
>history.

Sony developed Blu-Ray and NEC/Toshiba HD-DVD.
Sony and NEC merged into one optical drive company in December of
2005. What is likely to happen long term in a dual drive that does
both, although Sony has 55% control of the new company so they could
just push Blu-Ray only.

Time will tell as they would say.
Now a waiting game but I do think Blu-Ray is more likely to succeed
mainly becaus ethe next Playstation console will be able to play
Blu-Ray videos and it will also be used for gaming.

SalesMart.com.au
Perth, Western Australia
http://www.salesmart.com.au
*******************************************
Email Contact info on the above site.
*******************************************

[Ext User(Kirilenko)]

On Wed, 5 Apr 2006 15:57:01 +1000, "Trevor Wilson"
<trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> wrote:

>
>"The_Amalgamut" <ajbethell@gmail.com> wrote in message
>news:1144213900.236738.107050@z34g2000cwc.googlegr oups.com...
>> HD-DVD will be the winner in this format war.
>
>**Nope. And not for several reasons:
>
>* Blu Ray has higher capacity.
>* Blu Ray has far more use for the computer/gaming industry.
>* The computer/gaming industry is MUCH larger than the movie industry.
>* Whatever the computer/gaming industry decides will be the 'winner' will be
>the winner.
>* Blu Ray has stronger, harder to crack copy protection.
>* Blu Ray is supported by more influential companies.

Just because Blu-Ray is better doesn't mean it will win

Betamax was better than VHS, yet lost in every market except Japan.

DVD-RAM is by far the best writable DVD format but by a long way
behind +R and -R

[Ext User(Ian Galbraith)]

On Wed, 5 Apr 2006 14:46:26 +1000, JustMe wrote:

> Yeah it's always a similar story, but when the LG, Samsung and host of
> Chinese players start hitting the market.... Sony, Pioneer, Panasonic et al
> will loosen their restrictions as they have with region coding for DVD
> players.

Won't happen, they won't let cheap Chinese players flood the market this
time, which is where I thought the impetus for HVD was going to come from.

[snip]

--
You can't stop the signal

[Ext User(SalesMart.com.au)]

On Wed, 05 Apr 2006 16:55:57 +1000, Kirilenko
<im@somewhereoutthere.com> wrote:

>On Wed, 5 Apr 2006 15:57:01 +1000, "Trevor Wilson"
><trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> wrote:
>
>>
>>"The_Amalgamut" <ajbethell@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>news:1144213900.236738.107050@z34g2000cwc.googlegr oups.com...
>>> HD-DVD will be the winner in this format war.
>>
>>**Nope. And not for several reasons:
>>
>>* Blu Ray has higher capacity.
>>* Blu Ray has far more use for the computer/gaming industry.
>>* The computer/gaming industry is MUCH larger than the movie industry.
>>* Whatever the computer/gaming industry decides will be the 'winner' will be
>>the winner.
>>* Blu Ray has stronger, harder to crack copy protection.
>>* Blu Ray is supported by more influential companies.
>
>Just because Blu-Ray is better doesn't mean it will win
>
>Betamax was better than VHS, yet lost in every market except Japan.
>
>DVD-RAM is by far the best writable DVD format but by a long way
>behind +R and -R

DVD-RAM is a re writable media so it should be compared with DVD-RW
and DVD+RW. No contest, DVD-RAM wins easily. Every brand name burner
now has write support for DVD-RAM with the latest burners. Pioneer
110D/111D onlt hav eread support but the 110 and 111 drives do have
write support for DVD-RAM media.

Sony added DVD-RAM write support in the latest Sony DW-G120A drives.
BenQ, Asus, Samsung, Mitsubishi all have write support for DVD-RAM.
LiteON have new drives out as well that have write support for DVD-RAM
as does NEC. Many more are joining LG and Panasonic that have had
DVD-RAM write support for years.

The reason why so many are taking it up is word is slowly but surely
getting out that DVD-RAM is so much better, plus many DVD recorders
are adding DVD-RAM support for their stand alone recorders.

DVD+R is as dead as a door nail.
I know many authoring businesses that only use DVD-R over DVD+R.
I made the terrible mistak eof ordering in DVD+R media nearly two
years ago. Still have stock of them, where in the same period of time
I've sold tens of thousands of DVD-R media. I sell more DVD-RAM media
than I do of DVD+R or DVD+RW combined.

There maybe some that use DVD+R but in general DVD-R won the battle
some time ago.

SalesMart.com.au
Perth, Western Australia
http://www.salesmart.com.au
*******************************************
Email Contact info on the above site.
*******************************************

[Ext User(SalesMart.com.au)]

On Wed, 05 Apr 2006 04:30:11 GMT, "DAVO" <davideo@hotmail.com> wrote:

>
>"SalesMart.com.au" <sales@___Email_Address_on_Web_site> wrote in message
>news:443334d6.501812@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
>> On Tue, 04 Apr 2006 21:57:17 GMT, "DAVO" <davideo@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>SNIP>
>> More info on my Blu-Ray page at:
>> http://www.salesmart.com.au/blu-ray/blu-ray-burners/
>>
>> What should have happened is that should have released the drives and
>> players just like they did with DivX compatible players.
>>
>> Hopefully lessons will be leant come the release of HDV in the next
>> few years.
>>
>> SalesMart.com.au
>> Perth, Western Australia
>> http://www.salesmart.com.au
>
>Thanks for that Colin. Can't believe the fiasco with this all over again.
>Yes you are right in waiting as will I be.
>I still remember my first DVD Recorder which I still have and still use
>(Panasonic DMR-E30) that cost me $4,000 and blank DVDs were $49

Was that the DMR-E20. I bought the DMR-E30 3 years ago at $1208 an
dthought that was a bargain a sthe retail price back them was $1699
for the DMR-E30. Although that may have been when the prices dropped
and started to become affordable. I few I know bought the DMR-E20 and
still have them to this day.

>EACH.......Then Apple offered me some for $10 ea if I bought 50 at a time,
>which I did will add I.
>
>Anyway back to the HDV and Blu Ray issue, as in the end we will all be the
>losers, trust me.

Everywhere but Japan as the Japanese are NOT going to have hardware
copy protection. Work that one out if you can.

I can see most importing Blu-Ray burners from Japan.

HDV is many more times expensive than Blu-Ray or HD-DVD.
That is something that will get cheaper when they mass produce them
for the consumer market. Currently only large businesses are lookng at
that for storage.

NANO in the yeas ahead will blitz the field where it holds an amazing
4,000 Blu Ray discs and is cheaper than HDV or the coming Blu-Ray and
HD-DVD.

Some more info on NANO optical 5.25" drives and media.

The U.S. Patents, # 6,028,835 2/22/00 and # 6,046,973 4/4/00 protect a
new and unique method for a non-contact semiconductor integrated
read/write head. The read/write head will use photons from an
Ultra-Violet/Deep Blue Laser transmitted through a hemispherical
objective lens for storing and retrieving data to a Infinite
Rewritable Ferroelectric Atomic Holographic Optical Disk.,

A Terabyte is 1000Gb.
An Exabyte (EB) is a large unit of computer data storage, two to the
sixtieth power bytes. The prefix exa means one billion billion, or one
quintillion, which is a decimal term. Two to the sixtieth power is
actually 1,152,921,504,606,846,976 bytes in decimal, or somewhat over
a quintillion (or ten to the eighteenth power) bytes. It is common to
say that an exabyte is approximately one quintillion bytes. In decimal
terms, an exabyte is a billion gigabytes.

One 10 Terabyte to 10 Petabyte and beyond 3.5 in FEdisk would be EQUAL
1,000 to 100,000 Times the Storage Capacity of Blu-Ray, Disk Drives,
or Tape Drive.

Rewritable Atomic Holographic Storage Using Reprogrammable " Atomic /
Photonic / Quantum Switch's " will dramatically improve applications
like 6,840 raw uncompressed high quality Video/TV hours, or 2,100,000
chest x-rays, or nearly 10,000,000 high-resolution images, or 30,000
four-drawer filing cabinets of documents, or , or 20,000 DVD'S Worm's
, or 4,000 BLU-Ray Worm disk's, or 100 - 100 gigabyte disk drives or
50 Inphase Holographic disks on ONE 10 Terabyte 3.5 in. removable
disc.

Something to look forward to in the years ahead.
2008 to 2010 we may see the new Tb Discs where several companies are
looking at this to replace Blu-Ray and HD-DVD. More on that later.

SalesMart.com.au
Perth, Western Australia
http://www.salesmart.com.au
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[Ext User(Italo)]

"The_Amalgamut" <ajbethell@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> On lighter note it seems that a lot of the studios are holding off on
> deploying the Image Constraint Token on their discs for early adopters
> and leaving the "Component Analogue Outs" to run 1080i/p output instead
> of exclusively through the HDMI output.

I'd say Dream on!

Our good old multinationals haven't spent millions of dollars to develop
copyright systems just to let them go by the wayside, be preared to watch R1
discs and only R1 discs if you do get a stateside model.

--
Italo

[Ext User(DAVO)]

"SalesMart.com.au" <sales@___Email_Address_on_Web_site> wrote in message
news:443384f9.1758859@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
> On Wed, 05 Apr 2006 04:30:11 GMT, "DAVO" <davideo@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> Was that the DMR-E20. I bought the DMR-E30 3 years ago at $1208 an
> dthought that was a bargain a sthe retail price back them was $1699
> for the DMR-E30. Although that may have been when the prices dropped
> and started to become affordable. I few I know bought the DMR-E20 and
> still have them to this day.

Sorry Colin you are right....it is a DMR-20 and yes it still works fine but
I don't use it much these days as it never had that brilliant feature of
"flexible recording".

DAVO

[Ext User(The_Amalgamut)]

Ooops my bad, I guess what I was trying to say is that Sony have bet
the farm on Blu-Ray winning the war.