uhf 2 way radios and mobile phones??

[Ext User(milo)]

ok I know mobile phones your not supposed to use them while driving
but what about cb uhf radios? can u get busted using them, my brothers might
be putting one
in for his work van, wasnt sure...

milo

[Ext User(Robert Irvine)]

CB radios are ok to use on the move. See rule 300. (this is for
Victoria, but most of these are national road rules.)
http://www.vicroads.vic.gov.au/vrpdf/randl/part_18.pdf

I'm not sure 'why' the distinction, but I believe it's because they have
a loudspeaker, hence don't have to be held to your head, and you can
still hold the microphone and the steering wheel at the same time. Also
something about them being 'asynchronous rather than 'synchronous. i.e.
you can listen, or talk, but not both at the same time.

Rob.

"milo" <mrmiloman2006@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:qJj_f.3166$vy1.1254@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
> ok I know mobile phones your not supposed to use them while driving
> but what about cb uhf radios? can u get busted using them, my brothers
> might be putting one
> in for his work van, wasnt sure...
>
> milo
>

[Ext User(veritas)]

milo wrote:
> ok I know mobile phones your not supposed to use them while driving
> but what about cb uhf radios? can u get busted using them, my brothers might
> be putting one
> in for his work van, wasnt sure...

It is legal - - - Your tax $ at work - silly isn't it?
>
> milo
>
>

[Ext User(atec77)]

D Walford wrote:
> Robert Irvine wrote:
>> CB radios are ok to use on the move. See rule 300. (this is for
>> Victoria, but most of these are national road rules.)
>> http://www.vicroads.vic.gov.au/vrpdf/randl/part_18.pdf
>>
>> I'm not sure 'why' the distinction, but I believe it's because they
>> have a loudspeaker, hence don't have to be held to your head, and you
>> can still hold the microphone and the steering wheel at the same
>> time. Also something about them being 'asynchronous rather than
>> 'synchronous. i.e. you can listen, or talk, but not both at the same
>> time.
>
> Just because that rule doesn't include CB's or two ways doesn't mean
> there isn't another rule banning their use although I can't find it at
> the moment.
There isn't , Ive been using ham radio for 30 years and the last time
govco tried they gave up due to the noise...
> I know people who have been fined in Vic for using two way radio's
> whilst driving, that was in the 70's and I'd be surprised that the rules
> have been changed.
it doesn't exist now.
>
>
>
> Daryl

[Ext User(D Walford)]

Robert Irvine wrote:
> CB radios are ok to use on the move. See rule 300. (this is for
> Victoria, but most of these are national road rules.)
> http://www.vicroads.vic.gov.au/vrpdf/randl/part_18.pdf
>
> I'm not sure 'why' the distinction, but I believe it's because they have
> a loudspeaker, hence don't have to be held to your head, and you can
> still hold the microphone and the steering wheel at the same time. Also
> something about them being 'asynchronous rather than 'synchronous. i.e.
> you can listen, or talk, but not both at the same time.

Just because that rule doesn't include CB's or two ways doesn't mean
there isn't another rule banning their use although I can't find it at
the moment.
I know people who have been fined in Vic for using two way radio's
whilst driving, that was in the 70's and I'd be surprised that the rules
have been changed.



Daryl

[Ext User(Robert Irvine)]

It seems that many people have tried to find the relevant legislation,
and have failed. :-)

I did find mention of the 'old' rule regarding 'use of hand held
communications equipment while driving' at this site:
http://www.parliament.vic.gov.au/rsc/DEMERIT/demerit5.htm
from 1994. It's beginning to look like the new legislation may have
gotten it a bit wrong. The 'intent' as I read it from the above, is
that use of a hand held mobile 'phone' was meant to attract demerit
points AS WELL as a fine, while use of a two way radio would just cop a
fine.

However, the bit about the two-way radio simply does not seem to be
there anymore. (feel free to try and find it.)

Rob.

"D Walford" <walford@iprimus.com.au> wrote in message
news:4439ef8c$0$495$61c65585@uq-127creek-reader-03.brisbane.pipenetworks.com.au...
> Robert Irvine wrote:
>> CB radios are ok to use on the move. See rule 300. (this is for
>> Victoria, but most of these are national road rules.)
>> http://www.vicroads.vic.gov.au/vrpdf/randl/part_18.pdf
>>
>> I'm not sure 'why' the distinction, but I believe it's because they
>> have a loudspeaker, hence don't have to be held to your head, and you
>> can still hold the microphone and the steering wheel at the same
>> time. Also something about them being 'asynchronous rather than
>> 'synchronous. i.e. you can listen, or talk, but not both at the same
>> time.
>
> Just because that rule doesn't include CB's or two ways doesn't mean
> there isn't another rule banning their use although I can't find it at
> the moment.
> I know people who have been fined in Vic for using two way radio's
> whilst driving, that was in the 70's and I'd be surprised that the
> rules have been changed.
>
>
>
> Daryl

[Ext User(D Walford)]

Robert Irvine wrote:
> It seems that many people have tried to find the relevant legislation,
> and have failed. :-)
>

It appears that the legislators were so excited about making money from
fining mobile phone users they forgot about 2 way radio users:-)
I've always thought it was ridulous to be fined for using a 2 way and
I'm still not convinced that using a mobile phone (talking, not sms)
whilst driving is as evil as its made out to be.



Daryl

[Ext User(Kev)]

D Walford wrote:
> Robert Irvine wrote:
>
>> It seems that many people have tried to find the relevant legislation,
>> and have failed. :-)
>>
>
> It appears that the legislators were so excited about making money from
> fining mobile phone users they forgot about 2 way radio users:-)
> I've always thought it was ridulous to be fined for using a 2 way and
> I'm still not convinced that using a mobile phone (talking, not sms)
> whilst driving is as evil as its made out to be.
>
>
>
> Daryl


The QLD Legislation bans the use of handheld phones and states that the
use of CB/two way comms equipment are exempt from this ban

however if it can be proven that your use of the CB/Two way was the
cause of a crash or other dangerous situation/driving you can be charged
with "Undue care and attention"

Kev

[Ext User(D Walford)]

Kev wrote:
> D Walford wrote:
>
>> Robert Irvine wrote:
>>
>>> It seems that many people have tried to find the relevant
>>> legislation, and have failed. :-)
>>>
>>
>> It appears that the legislators were so excited about making money
>> from fining mobile phone users they forgot about 2 way radio users:-)
>> I've always thought it was ridulous to be fined for using a 2 way and
>> I'm still not convinced that using a mobile phone (talking, not sms)
>> whilst driving is as evil as its made out to be.
>>
>>
>>
>> Daryl
>
>
>
> The QLD Legislation bans the use of handheld phones and states that the
> use of CB/two way comms equipment are exempt from this ban
>
> however if it can be proven that your use of the CB/Two way was the
> cause of a crash or other dangerous situation/driving you can be charged
> with "Undue care and attention"
>

That sounds too much like common sense to be in legislation, is it
possible someone in Govco got something right?



Daryl

[Ext User(Toby Ponsenby)]

On Mon, 10 Apr 2006 19:48:34 +1000, D Walford wrote:

> Kev wrote:
>> D Walford wrote:
>>
>>> Robert Irvine wrote:
>>>
>>>> It seems that many people have tried to find the relevant
>>>> legislation, and have failed. :-)
>>>>
>>>
>>> It appears that the legislators were so excited about making money
>>> from fining mobile phone users they forgot about 2 way radio users:-)
>>> I've always thought it was ridulous to be fined for using a 2 way and
>>> I'm still not convinced that using a mobile phone (talking, not sms)
>>> whilst driving is as evil as its made out to be.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Daryl
>>
>>
>>
>> The QLD Legislation bans the use of handheld phones and states that the
>> use of CB/two way comms equipment are exempt from this ban
>>
>> however if it can be proven that your use of the CB/Two way was the
>> cause of a crash or other dangerous situation/driving you can be charged
>> with "Undue care and attention"
>>
>
> That sounds too much like common sense to be in legislation, is it
> possible someone in Govco got something right?
>
>
>
> Daryl
Maybe - but as always, there's a Scam side to things.
You mean that the revenue generated from taxi operation, and the
advantages of police radio weren't a factor?

--
Toby.
quidquid latine dictum
sit, altum viditur

[Ext User(Robert Irvine)]

"Kev" <kevcat@optunet.com.au> wrote in message
news:443a14f7$0$7531$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au ...
>D Walford wrote:
>> Robert Irvine wrote:
>>
>>> It seems that many people have tried to find the relevant
>>> legislation, and have failed. :-)
>>>
>>
>> It appears that the legislators were so excited about making money
>> from fining mobile phone users they forgot about 2 way radio users:-)
>> I've always thought it was ridulous to be fined for using a 2 way and
>> I'm still not convinced that using a mobile phone (talking, not sms)
>> whilst driving is as evil as its made out to be.
>>
>>
>>
>> Daryl
>
>
> The QLD Legislation bans the use of handheld phones and states that
> the use of CB/two way comms equipment are exempt from this ban
>
> however if it can be proven that your use of the CB/Two way was the
> cause of a crash or other dangerous situation/driving you can be
> charged with "Undue care and attention"
>
You can probably be charged under that rule for picking (or scratching,
it was only a scratch!) your nose while driving. Like several of the
road rules, it's there to give the authorities something to punish you
with when you do something quite silly, so that you don't do it again.

If we could be honest about it in the legislation, it would be called
the 'dickhead' rule.
"Your honour, the defendant was driving like a complete dickhead, so I
pulled him over and issued a citation in the hopes that he would learn
his lesson and stop driving like a complete dickhead."

Rob.

[Ext User(Rainbow Warrior)]

"Robert Irvine" <Robert.Irvine@ILikeSpambigpond.com> wrote in message
news:Frl_f.3220$vy1.2199@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
> CB radios are ok to use on the move. See rule 300. (this is for
> Victoria, but most of these are national road rules.)
> http://www.vicroads.vic.gov.au/vrpdf/randl/part_18.pdf
>
> I'm not sure 'why' the distinction, but I believe it's because they have a
> loudspeaker, hence don't have to be held to your head, and you can still
> hold the microphone and the steering wheel at the same time. Also
> something about them being 'asynchronous rather than 'synchronous. i.e.
> you can listen, or talk, but not both at the same time.

Much so, you can ignore people on the other end of a CB for a minute if
necessary, but try doing that with people on a phone.
A proper car kit mobile is similar, although you can get absorbed in the
conversation a lot easier, where with a CB, you have a mini reality check
every time you press the transmit button.


>
> Rob.
>
> "milo" <mrmiloman2006@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:qJj_f.3166$vy1.1254@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
>> ok I know mobile phones your not supposed to use them while driving
>> but what about cb uhf radios? can u get busted using them, my brothers
>> might be putting one
>> in for his work van, wasnt sure...
>>
>> milo
>>
>
>

[Ext User(Rainbow Warrior)]

"D Walford" <walford@iprimus.com.au> wrote in message
news:443a0dba$0$502$61c65585@uq-127creek-reader-03.brisbane.pipenetworks.com.au...
> Robert Irvine wrote:
>> It seems that many people have tried to find the relevant legislation,
>> and have failed. :-)
>
> It appears that the legislators were so excited about making money from
> fining mobile phone users they forgot about 2 way radio users:-)
> I've always thought it was ridulous to be fined for using a 2 way and I'm
> still not convinced that using a mobile phone (talking, not sms) whilst
> driving is as evil as its made out to be.
>
> Daryl

I only feel safe on the phone if I'm on the freeway or a country road,
there's too much to concentrate on in city driving.

[Ext User(Gono)]

On Mon, 10 Apr 2006 17:48:15 +1000, D Walford <walford@iprimus.com.au>
wrote:

>Robert Irvine wrote:
>> It seems that many people have tried to find the relevant legislation,
>> and have failed. :-)
>>
>
>It appears that the legislators were so excited about making money from
>fining mobile phone users they forgot about 2 way radio users:-)
>I've always thought it was ridulous to be fined for using a 2 way and
>I'm still not convinced that using a mobile phone (talking, not sms)
>whilst driving is as evil as its made out to be.
>
>
>
>Daryl
More to the point as you are being pulled up for using the two way
radio the cop whom is pulling you up is using a two way radio to get
your usuals and checking your licence and reg do you see something
forming here yep two sets of rules
I have to ask just how safe is a cop doing 190 kmh chasing someone and
using a 2 way to tell vkc just where the chase is going !!!
That is why i believe that the law excludes 2 ways from the phone law
because i dont believe it would be too hard to challenge in court !!!
Gono

[Ext User(Kev)]

Gono wrote:

> On Mon, 10 Apr 2006 17:48:15 +1000, D Walford <walford@iprimus.com.au>
> wrote:
>
>
>>Robert Irvine wrote:
>>
>>>It seems that many people have tried to find the relevant legislation,
>>>and have failed. :-)
>>>
>>
>>It appears that the legislators were so excited about making money from
>>fining mobile phone users they forgot about 2 way radio users:-)
>>I've always thought it was ridulous to be fined for using a 2 way and
>>I'm still not convinced that using a mobile phone (talking, not sms)
>>whilst driving is as evil as its made out to be.
>>
>>
>>
>>Daryl
>
> More to the point as you are being pulled up for using the two way
> radio the cop whom is pulling you up is using a two way radio to get
> your usuals and checking your licence and reg do you see something
> forming here yep two sets of rules
> I have to ask just how safe is a cop doing 190 kmh chasing someone and
> using a 2 way to tell vkc just where the chase is going !!!
> That is why i believe that the law excludes 2 ways from the phone law
> because i dont believe it would be too hard to challenge in court !!!
> Gono


It's not as simple as that
during a chase I have heard many single officer units stop chasing
because of that reason, they can't drive and call the chase

and YES the Police have a set of rules
it's called "In The Line Of Duty" or "Carrying Out Their Duty"
I'm sure you could see the major problem with having the Police car stop
in a safe place before the officer contacts VKC that they just spotted
the suspect wanted for murder/armed hold up or what ever.
the same goes for fire and ambos

so if there was a law banning the use of two way the EMS would have an
exclusion anyway, yes one law for them and one for us

I was sure that NSW had a law banning the use of two ways or CB while
driving but it was changes a year ot two ago

Shane??

could be just bullshit from stupid truckdrivers who's mouths get them
into more trouble than they would have been in if they kept it shut


Kev

[Mot Adv-NSW]

It is NOT illegal to use a CB radio when driving. That said, you are legally required to have full control of the vehicle at all times.

The issue was discussed late in the 1990's at length at ARR development, and so a prohibition did not come to fruition, and indeed most 'yay' argument was strong resisted.

The dynamics of this are somewhat different to that of a mobile phone. Distraction can occur if you lean down to pick up the microphone and take your eyes off the road in doing so.

[Ext User(atec77)]

Mot Adv-NSW wrote:
> It is NOT illegal to use a CB radio when driving. That said, you are
> legally required to have full control of the vehicle at all times.
>
> The issue was discussed late in the 1990's at length at ARR
> development, and so a prohibition did not come to fruition, and indeed
> most 'yay' argument was strong resisted.
>
> The dynamics of this are somewhat different to that of a mobile phone.
> Distraction can occur if you lean down to pick up the microphone and
> take your eyes off the road in doing so.
>
>
You need to see my daily driver , 3 radios all on remote mike , listen
to all but only one on transmit and all hands free.

[Ext User(Robert Irvine)]

> That is why i believe that the law excludes 2 ways from the phone law
> because i dont believe it would be too hard to challenge in court !!!

There is already an exclusion for police from the mobile phone rule, and
I believe the old rule similarly exempted the police. So it would be
quite easy for them to make it illegal for everyone except the police to
use 2-way radios if they wanted. (and it will probably only take one
horrific accident to make them ban it again.)

Rob.


"Gono" <gono@atozworld.com> wrote in message
news:1vrl32t3rkar99ba27qhh6smogavgdqr2p@4ax.com...
> On Mon, 10 Apr 2006 17:48:15 +1000, D Walford <walford@iprimus.com.au>
> wrote:
>
>>Robert Irvine wrote:
>>> It seems that many people have tried to find the relevant
>>> legislation,
>>> and have failed. :-)
>>>
>>
>>It appears that the legislators were so excited about making money
>>from
>>fining mobile phone users they forgot about 2 way radio users:-)
>>I've always thought it was ridulous to be fined for using a 2 way and
>>I'm still not convinced that using a mobile phone (talking, not sms)
>>whilst driving is as evil as its made out to be.
>>
>>
>>
>>Daryl
> More to the point as you are being pulled up for using the two way
> radio the cop whom is pulling you up is using a two way radio to get
> your usuals and checking your licence and reg do you see something
> forming here yep two sets of rules
> I have to ask just how safe is a cop doing 190 kmh chasing someone and
> using a 2 way to tell vkc just where the chase is going !!!
> That is why i believe that the law excludes 2 ways from the phone law
> because i dont believe it would be too hard to challenge in court !!!
> Gono

[Ext User(D Walford)]

Toby Ponsenby wrote:

> Maybe - but as always, there's a Scam side to things.

Isn't there always:-)

> You mean that the revenue generated from taxi operation, and the
> advantages of police radio weren't a factor?

Do taxis's still use two ways?
The drivers of the few I've been in recently played around with their
computer gizmo but never touched their two way.



Daryl

[Ext User(Toby Ponsenby)]

On Tue, 11 Apr 2006 03:28:09 GMT, Robert Irvine wrote:

>> That is why i believe that the law excludes 2 ways from the phone law
>> because i dont believe it would be too hard to challenge in court !!!
>
> There is already an exclusion for police from the mobile phone rule, and
> I believe the old rule similarly exempted the police. So it would be
> quite easy for them to make it illegal for everyone except the police to
> use 2-way radios if they wanted. (and it will probably only take one
> horrific accident to make them ban it again.)
>
> Rob.
>
>
> "Gono" <gono@atozworld.com> wrote in message
> news:1vrl32t3rkar99ba27qhh6smogavgdqr2p@4ax.com...
>> On Mon, 10 Apr 2006 17:48:15 +1000, D Walford <walford@iprimus.com.au>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>Robert Irvine wrote:
>>>> It seems that many people have tried to find the relevant
>>>> legislation,
>>>> and have failed. :-)
>>>>
>>>
>>>It appears that the legislators were so excited about making money
>>>from
>>>fining mobile phone users they forgot about 2 way radio users:-)
>>>I've always thought it was ridulous to be fined for using a 2 way and
>>>I'm still not convinced that using a mobile phone (talking, not sms)
>>>whilst driving is as evil as its made out to be.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>Daryl
>> More to the point as you are being pulled up for using the two way
>> radio the cop whom is pulling you up is using a two way radio to get
>> your usuals and checking your licence and reg do you see something
>> forming here yep two sets of rules
>> I have to ask just how safe is a cop doing 190 kmh chasing someone and
>> using a 2 way to tell vkc just where the chase is going !!!
>> That is why i believe that the law excludes 2 ways from the phone law
>> because i dont believe it would be too hard to challenge in court !!!
>> Gono

GovCo will do what it did for radar detectors.
It'll trawl through hundreds if not thousands of records of prangs
until it finds 'one' that justifies what they've decided to do.
might have to go back 10 years, but no matter - it's all god in GovCo
fraudlegitimizedbylegislationland.
--
Toby.
quidquid latine dictum
sit, altum viditur