Best 32" TV for least pciture delay

[Ext User(Opus Condobalas)]

In these days of fancy electronics all the LCDs, Plasmas and even the new
CRTs (100Hz progressive) have digital electronics to do fancy image
improvements etc. From what I can see that these can introduce a delay in
the video, so if you are using the video source for audio, then the audio
can be ahead of the video, up to 200ms or more.

Anyhow, I am now in the situation that the 12 yo TEAC is now on its last
legs and doing the fade in fade out show. In my system it is the monitor
only, with a combined VCR/DVD/AMP and a digital STB. So I want to replace it
of course with something with a low video processing time.

So am I too worried about this? Will most things I look at be OK. Or have
people been having problems like this when they have surround systems etc.
Would anyone recommend any technology or brand over another.

Thanks

Opus

[Ext User(Oz)]

"Opus Condobalas" <scanscan@iinet.net.au> wrote in message
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> In these days of fancy electronics all the LCDs, Plasmas and even the new
> CRTs (100Hz progressive) have digital electronics to do fancy image
> improvements etc. From what I can see that these can introduce a delay in
> the video, so if you are using the video source for audio, then the audio
> can be ahead of the video, up to 200ms or more.
>
> Anyhow, I am now in the situation that the 12 yo TEAC is now on its last
> legs and doing the fade in fade out show. In my system it is the monitor
> only, with a combined VCR/DVD/AMP and a digital STB. So I want to replace
> it of course with something with a low video processing time.
>
> So am I too worried about this? Will most things I look at be OK. Or have
> people been having problems like this when they have surround systems etc.
> Would anyone recommend any technology or brand over another.
>
> Thanks
>
> Opus


I have never encountered the problem you describe with sound lag
though I only have about 5 TV sets in my house (I wish my wife would just
learn to throw stuff out <rolls eyes>)and I have friends with a high end
86cm 100Hz TV (brand eludes me ATM)
maybe its just you :-)
Oz

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OK. I am not saying I have the problem. Just don't won't to be stuck with
such a problem. I have heard that some TVs use up to 7 fields (3 1/2 frames)
to do their fancy predicive processing etc. - that would be 70ms plus
porcessing time. Well that's OK if you use the TV for sound. Anyhow I may be
mad and it's not a problem - but no trouble to check.

Opus

"Oz" <OZ@yellowbrickroad.com> wrote in message
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> "Opus Condobalas" <scanscan@iinet.net.au> wrote in message
> news:4444b723$0$16692$5a62ac22@per-qv1-newsreader-01.iinet.net.au...
>> In these days of fancy electronics all the LCDs, Plasmas and even the new
>> CRTs (100Hz progressive) have digital electronics to do fancy image
>> improvements etc. From what I can see that these can introduce a delay in
>> the video, so if you are using the video source for audio, then the audio
>> can be ahead of the video, up to 200ms or more.
>>
>> Anyhow, I am now in the situation that the 12 yo TEAC is now on its last
>> legs and doing the fade in fade out show. In my system it is the monitor
>> only, with a combined VCR/DVD/AMP and a digital STB. So I want to replace
>> it of course with something with a low video processing time.
>>
>> So am I too worried about this? Will most things I look at be OK. Or have
>> people been having problems like this when they have surround systems
>> etc. Would anyone recommend any technology or brand over another.
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>> Opus
>
>
> I have never encountered the problem you describe with sound lag
> though I only have about 5 TV sets in my house (I wish my wife would just
> learn to throw stuff out <rolls eyes>)and I have friends with a high end
> 86cm 100Hz TV (brand eludes me ATM)
> maybe its just you :-)
> Oz
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"Oz" <OZ@yellowbrickroad.com> wrote in message
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>
> I have never encountered the problem you describe with sound lag
> though I only have about 5 TV sets in my house (I wish my wife would just
> learn to throw stuff out <rolls eyes>)and I have friends with a high end
> 86cm 100Hz TV (brand eludes me ATM)
> maybe its just you :-)
> Oz


Well I have encountered it plenty of times, but only on digital. Was
happening (slightly) tonight on Insight and has happened on most episodes of
The Chaser. I've tried different receivers for the sound but it still
happens. I reckon its either my DGTEC 2000A or the stations here in
Melbourne.

[Ext User(Oz)]

"Opus Condobalas" <scanscan@iinet.net.au> wrote in message
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> OK. I am not saying I have the problem. Just don't won't to be stuck with
> such a problem. I have heard that some TVs use up to 7 fields (3 1/2
> frames) to do their fancy predicive processing etc. - that would be 70ms
> plus porcessing time. Well that's OK if you use the TV for sound. Anyhow I
> may be mad and it's not a problem - but no trouble to check.
>
> Opus
>
> "Oz" <OZ@yellowbrickroad.com> wrote in message
> news:4444bc75$0$20113$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.a u...
>> "Opus Condobalas" <scanscan@iinet.net.au> wrote in message
>> news:4444b723$0$16692$5a62ac22@per-qv1-newsreader-01.iinet.net.au...
>>> In these days of fancy electronics all the LCDs, Plasmas and even the
>>> new CRTs (100Hz progressive) have digital electronics to do fancy image
>>> improvements etc. From what I can see that these can introduce a delay
>>> in the video, so if you are using the video source for audio, then the
>>> audio can be ahead of the video, up to 200ms or more.
>>>
>>> Anyhow, I am now in the situation that the 12 yo TEAC is now on its last
>>> legs and doing the fade in fade out show. In my system it is the monitor
>>> only, with a combined VCR/DVD/AMP and a digital STB. So I want to
>>> replace it of course with something with a low video processing time.
>>>
>>> So am I too worried about this? Will most things I look at be OK. Or
>>> have people been having problems like this when they have surround
>>> systems etc. Would anyone recommend any technology or brand over
>>> another.
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>>
>>> Opus
>>
>>
>> I have never encountered the problem you describe with sound lag
>> though I only have about 5 TV sets in my house (I wish my wife would just
>> learn to throw stuff out <rolls eyes>)and I have friends with a high end
>> 86cm 100Hz TV (brand eludes me ATM)
>> maybe its just you :-)
>> Oz
>>
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>

can you honestly differentiate 70 milliseconds, because if you can I have a
friend who works for NASA who will give you a job tomorrow
seriously !!
Oz

[Ext User(Wayne Reid)]

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> Well I have encountered it plenty of times, but only on digital. Was
> happening (slightly) tonight on Insight and has happened on most episodes
> of The Chaser. I've tried different receivers for the sound but it still
> happens. I reckon its either my DGTEC 2000A or the stations here in
> Melbourne.

That's a different issue - a synchronisation problem. Proabably more to do
with your Dodgytec STB. Other cheap STBs have this problem as well. The OP
is worried that perfectly synchronised signals will become unsynchronised
because the digital image processing in the TV will delay the video, while
(s)he listens to undelayed audio via an audio system.

[Ext User(Opus Condobalas)]

Yep. Wayne has it right. I suppose the real questions is - Is this something
I should worry about?

Opus (he)

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>
> "Claude" <Claude@Claude.Invalid> wrote in message
> news:ar31g.9442$vy1.860@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
>
>> Well I have encountered it plenty of times, but only on digital. Was
>> happening (slightly) tonight on Insight and has happened on most episodes
>> of The Chaser. I've tried different receivers for the sound but it still
>> happens. I reckon its either my DGTEC 2000A or the stations here in
>> Melbourne.
>
> That's a different issue - a synchronisation problem. Proabably more to do
> with your Dodgytec STB. Other cheap STBs have this problem as well. The OP
> is worried that perfectly synchronised signals will become unsynchronised
> because the digital image processing in the TV will delay the video, while
> (s)he listens to undelayed audio via an audio system.
>
>
>
>

[Ext User(BL)]

>
> can you honestly differentiate 70 milliseconds, because if you can I
> have a friend who works for NASA who will give you a job tomorrow
> seriously !!
> Oz

70 milliseconds is between 1-2 frames, and I can most certainly pick that.

[Ext User(Oz)]

"BL" <please@i'm not that stupid> wrote in message
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>
>>
>> can you honestly differentiate 70 milliseconds, because if you can I
>> have a friend who works for NASA who will give you a job tomorrow
>> seriously !!
>> Oz
>
> 70 milliseconds is between 1-2 frames, and I can most certainly pick that.
>

did you ever see how much (or should that be how little) movement there is
between 1 to 2 frames
I worked in a Cinema for 15 years and I can tell you there is fuck all in
it, but delude yourselves all you like I suppose, tossers have to have
something to gripe about.
Oz

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Oz wrote:
> "BL" <please@i'm not that stupid> wrote in message
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>>
>>>
>>> can you honestly differentiate 70 milliseconds, because if you can I
>>> have a friend who works for NASA who will give you a job tomorrow
>>> seriously !!
>>> Oz
>>
>> 70 milliseconds is between 1-2 frames, and I can most certainly pick
>> that.
>
> did you ever see how much (or should that be how little) movement
> there is between 1 to 2 frames
> I worked in a Cinema for 15 years and I can tell you there is fuck
> all in it, but delude yourselves all you like I suppose, tossers have
> to have something to gripe about.
> Oz

I work in broadcast television, and as far as lip sync goes, 1-2 frames IS
noticeable. Call me whatever you like, but if you can't see it, you haven't
got a very good eye. I'm guessing you worked in the candy bar anyway.

[Ext User(Oz)]

"BL" <please@i'm not that stupid> (Well yes you are)wrote in message
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> Oz wrote:
>> "BL" <please@i'm not that stupid> wrote in message
>> news:4444e882$0$16672$5a62ac22@per-qv1-newsreader-01.iinet.net.au...
>>>
>>>>
>>>> can you honestly differentiate 70 milliseconds, because if you can I
>>>> have a friend who works for NASA who will give you a job tomorrow
>>>> seriously !!
>>>> Oz
>>>
>>> 70 milliseconds is between 1-2 frames, and I can most certainly pick
>>> that.
>>
>> did you ever see how much (or should that be how little) movement
>> there is between 1 to 2 frames
>> I worked in a Cinema for 15 years and I can tell you there is fuck
>> all in it, but delude yourselves all you like I suppose, tossers have
>> to have something to gripe about.
>> Oz
>
> I work in broadcast television, and as far as lip sync goes, 1-2 frames IS
> noticeable. Call me whatever you like, but if you can't see it, you
> haven't got a very good eye. I'm guessing you worked in the candy bar
> anyway.
>

Wow I was waiting for that one, good comeback, did we get up early every
morning to practise that.
My guess is your one of those pretentious wankers who likes to make out you
have a "Good" eye and your probably spending up big on home theatre system
sound because the original Millie Wonka sounded so much better on $20K
speakers with Valve driven amps.
and PULHEEEEES spare us, you work in broadcast television! that's not
something you should be proud of, at least not around here.
God, please save us from fools and tossers

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Oz wrote:
> "BL" <please@i'm not that stupid> (Well yes you are)wrote in message
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>> Oz wrote:
>>> "BL" <please@i'm not that stupid> wrote in message
>>> news:4444e882$0$16672$5a62ac22@per-qv1-newsreader-01.iinet.net.au...
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> can you honestly differentiate 70 milliseconds, because if you
>>>>> can I have a friend who works for NASA who will give you a job
>>>>> tomorrow seriously !!
>>>>> Oz
>>>>
>>>> 70 milliseconds is between 1-2 frames, and I can most certainly
>>>> pick that.
>>>
>>> did you ever see how much (or should that be how little) movement
>>> there is between 1 to 2 frames
>>> I worked in a Cinema for 15 years and I can tell you there is fuck
>>> all in it, but delude yourselves all you like I suppose, tossers
>>> have to have something to gripe about.
>>> Oz
>>
>> I work in broadcast television, and as far as lip sync goes, 1-2
>> frames IS noticeable. Call me whatever you like, but if you can't
>> see it, you haven't got a very good eye. I'm guessing you worked in
>> the candy bar anyway.
>>
>
> Wow I was waiting for that one, good comeback, did we get up early
> every morning to practise that.
> My guess is your one of those pretentious wankers who likes to make
> out you have a "Good" eye and your probably spending up big on home
> theatre system sound because the original Millie Wonka sounded so
> much better on $20K speakers with Valve driven amps.
> and PULHEEEEES spare us, you work in broadcast television! that's not
> something you should be proud of, at least not around here.
> God, please save us from fools and tossers

Look i'm not going to argue with a child, you believe what you like.
Resorting to insults because you're unable to argue like an intelligent
human being kinda makes me feel sorry for you. And I mention my job not out
of pride, but as context for my post.

[Ext User(Claude)]

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(SNIP)

> Wow I was waiting for that one, good comeback, did we get up early every
> morning to practise that.
> My guess is your one of those pretentious wankers who likes to make out
> you have a "Good" eye and your probably spending up big on home theatre
> system sound because the original Millie Wonka sounded so much better on
> $20K speakers with Valve driven amps.
> and PULHEEEEES spare us, you work in broadcast television! that's not
> something you should be proud of, at least not around here.
> God, please save us from fools and tossers

For god's sake, you've been comprehensively outplayed by BL. Shut up and
walk.

[Ext User(Al Foyle)]

BL said....

> Look i'm not going to argue with a child, you believe what you like.
> Resorting to insults because you're unable to argue like an intelligent
> human being kinda makes me feel sorry for you. And I mention my job not
> out of pride, but as context for my post.

If you're a video engineer then perhaps it can be taken in context as it
describes your quals. However, if you work in say, the make-up dept,
then really, it's irrelevant.

I'm just wondering if you mentioned it to merely give credence to what
you're saying, and hoping that we'd accept it at face value.



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[Ext User(BL)]

Al Foyle wrote:
> BL said....
>
>> Look i'm not going to argue with a child, you believe what you like.
>> Resorting to insults because you're unable to argue like an
>> intelligent human being kinda makes me feel sorry for you. And I
>> mention my job not out of pride, but as context for my post.
>
> If you're a video engineer then perhaps it can be taken in context as
> it describes your quals. However, if you work in say, the make-up
> dept,
> then really, it's irrelevant.
>
> I'm just wondering if you mentioned it to merely give credence to what
> you're saying, and hoping that we'd accept it at face value.
>
>
>
> Inviato da X-Privat.Org - Registrazione gratuita
> http://www.x-privat.org/join.php

I'm a video editor. I deal with sync issues on a daily basis.

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"Claude" <Claude@Claude.Invalid> wrote in message
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>
> "Oz" <OZ@yellowbrickroad.com> wrote in message
> news:44458dbc$0$10675$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.a u...
>
> (SNIP)
>
>> Wow I was waiting for that one, good comeback, did we get up early every
>> morning to practise that.
>> My guess is your one of those pretentious wankers who likes to make out
>> you have a "Good" eye and your probably spending up big on home theatre
>> system sound because the original Millie Wonka sounded so much better on
>> $20K speakers with Valve driven amps.
>> and PULHEEEEES spare us, you work in broadcast television! that's not
>> something you should be proud of, at least not around here.
>> God, please save us from fools and tossers
>
> For god's sake, you've been comprehensively outplayed by BL. Shut up and
> walk.
>
>
lol yeah that was a good comeback!
anyway could the
Phosphorescence
of the TV screen be lower than the equivalent of the cinema screen.
therefore both are 'seeing' what is fedback to their eyes of different
technology.
so they should conduct their pissing match while in the same room using a
control source.
giving this pissing match a scientific basis for comparing.

[Ext User(PeteR)]

"Oz" <OZ@yellowbrickroad.com> wrote in message
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> "BL" <please@i'm not that stupid> (Well yes you are)wrote in message
> news:44451331$0$16647$5a62ac22@per-qv1-newsreader-01.iinet.net.au...
> > Oz wrote:
> >> "BL" <please@i'm not that stupid> wrote in message
> >> news:4444e882$0$16672$5a62ac22@per-qv1-newsreader-01.iinet.net.au...
> >>>
> >>>>
> >>>> can you honestly differentiate 70 milliseconds, because if you can I
> >>>> have a friend who works for NASA who will give you a job tomorrow
> >>>> seriously !!
> >>>> Oz
> >>>
> >>> 70 milliseconds is between 1-2 frames, and I can most certainly pick
> >>> that.
> >>
> >> did you ever see how much (or should that be how little) movement
> >> there is between 1 to 2 frames
> >> I worked in a Cinema for 15 years and I can tell you there is fuck
> >> all in it, but delude yourselves all you like I suppose, tossers have
> >> to have something to gripe about.
> >> Oz
> >
> > I work in broadcast television, and as far as lip sync goes, 1-2 frames
IS
> > noticeable. Call me whatever you like, but if you can't see it, you
> > haven't got a very good eye. I'm guessing you worked in the candy bar
> > anyway.
> >
>
> Wow I was waiting for that one, good comeback, did we get up early every
> morning to practise that.
> My guess is your one of those pretentious wankers who likes to make out
you
> have a "Good" eye and your probably spending up big on home theatre system
> sound because the original Millie Wonka sounded so much better on $20K
> speakers with Valve driven amps.
> and PULHEEEEES spare us, you work in broadcast television! that's not
> something you should be proud of, at least not around here.
> God, please save us from fools and tossers

Sorry mate, BL is right. I also worked in television broadcasting and have
done a lot of film and video editing in my time. A one frame lag or lead
between video and audio is definitely noticeable when you have spent a lot
of time getting it right.
It's nothing to do with being a "pretentious wanker", it's about experience
in your profession and attention to detail.

Regards
PeteR

[Ext User(BL)]

PeteR wrote:
> "Oz" <OZ@yellowbrickroad.com> wrote in message
> news:44458dbc$0$10675$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.a u...
>> "BL" <please@i'm not that stupid> (Well yes you are)wrote in message
>> news:44451331$0$16647$5a62ac22@per-qv1-newsreader-01.iinet.net.au...
>>> Oz wrote:
>>>> "BL" <please@i'm not that stupid> wrote in message
>>>> news:4444e882$0$16672$5a62ac22@per-qv1-newsreader-01.iinet.net.au...
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> can you honestly differentiate 70 milliseconds, because if you
>>>>>> can I have a friend who works for NASA who will give you a job
>>>>>> tomorrow seriously !!
>>>>>> Oz
>>>>>
>>>>> 70 milliseconds is between 1-2 frames, and I can most certainly
>>>>> pick that.
>>>>
>>>> did you ever see how much (or should that be how little) movement
>>>> there is between 1 to 2 frames
>>>> I worked in a Cinema for 15 years and I can tell you there is fuck
>>>> all in it, but delude yourselves all you like I suppose, tossers
>>>> have to have something to gripe about.
>>>> Oz
>>>
>>> I work in broadcast television, and as far as lip sync goes, 1-2
>>> frames IS noticeable. Call me whatever you like, but if you can't
>>> see it, you haven't got a very good eye. I'm guessing you worked in
>>> the candy bar anyway.
>>>
>>
>> Wow I was waiting for that one, good comeback, did we get up early
>> every morning to practise that.
>> My guess is your one of those pretentious wankers who likes to make
>> out you have a "Good" eye and your probably spending up big on home
>> theatre system sound because the original Millie Wonka sounded so
>> much better on $20K speakers with Valve driven amps.
>> and PULHEEEEES spare us, you work in broadcast television! that's not
>> something you should be proud of, at least not around here.
>> God, please save us from fools and tossers
>
> Sorry mate, BL is right. I also worked in television broadcasting and
> have done a lot of film and video editing in my time. A one frame lag
> or lead between video and audio is definitely noticeable when you
> have spent a lot of time getting it right.
> It's nothing to do with being a "pretentious wanker", it's about
> experience in your profession and attention to detail.
>
> Regards
> PeteR

Well said.