High Defination

[Ext User(Malacy Finn)]

Anybody know when Oz will be getting HD television? I note that the UK will
be getting HD mid-year and it is already off and running in the US.

[Ext User(Trevor Lees)]

3 OR 4 YEARS AGO...!!

"Malacy Finn" <malfin@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
news:c%x1g.10422$vy1.2790@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
> Anybody know when Oz will be getting HD television? I note that the UK
> will be getting HD mid-year and it is already off and running in the US.
>

[Ext User(jjcoolaus@yahoo.com.au)]

To re-use my post in another thread:

Stations are required to do 1080 hours of HD per year. That is all, so

it's usually only certain shows during prime time and some sporting
events that get HD treatment.

During the rest of the time, 9 and 7 do "test" broadcasts of scenic (9)

and some better homes and gardens features (7). 10 and SBS upconvert
their SD content during the "off" times (essentially making it the
same). ABC only broadcast HD from 8am till about 8pm at night then
turn it off - but it's all upconverted as well (apart from their HD
content).


List of Widescreen & HD Programs here:
http://www.widescreentv.com.au/program.html

[Ext User(Malacy Finn)]

I am sorry to inform both of you that contrary to your belief (3 to 4 years
ago) Oz DO NOT have High definition television, they have digital not HD and
it makes no difference if you have a STB, Foxtel IQ, LCD or Plasma
television sets we do not have high definition television. You need to have
a special tuner in your LCD or Plasma television and very few on the
Australian market have that at present. Advertising as 'HD READY' DOES NOT
mean that you can receive HD, it simply means that your television can have
the HD tuner fitted, a little like teletext.

As mentioned in my post, the UK don't get it until mid-year. As far as I am
aware the only country that you can receive HD television is the US!


> List of Widescreen & HD Programs here:
> http://www.widescreentv.com.au/program.html
>

[Ext User(KB)]

Stupid trolling fuckwit.

Malacy Finn wrote:
> I am sorry to inform both of you that contrary to your belief (3 to 4 years
> ago) Oz DO NOT have High definition television, they have digital not HD and
> it makes no difference if you have a STB, Foxtel IQ, LCD or Plasma
> television sets we do not have high definition television. You need to have
> a special tuner in your LCD or Plasma television and very few on the
> Australian market have that at present. Advertising as 'HD READY' DOES NOT
> mean that you can receive HD, it simply means that your television can have
> the HD tuner fitted, a little like teletext.
>
> As mentioned in my post, the UK don't get it until mid-year. As far as I am
> aware the only country that you can receive HD television is the US!
>
>
>> List of Widescreen & HD Programs here:
>> http://www.widescreentv.com.au/program.html
>>
>
>

[Ext User(DaSuthNa)]

Dude. I'm receiving it. I'm watching it. It exists in AU. You asked
the question. You got the correct answer from me and others. Feel free
not to believe it.

It may be a minority transmission received by a minority of capable
equipment. But that minority is not zero.

Malacy Finn wrote:
> I am sorry to inform both of you that contrary to your belief (3 to 4 years
> ago) Oz DO NOT have High definition television, they have digital not HD and
> it makes no difference if you have a STB, Foxtel IQ, LCD or Plasma
> television sets we do not have high definition television. You need to have
> a special tuner in your LCD or Plasma television and very few on the
> Australian market have that at present. Advertising as 'HD READY' DOES NOT
> mean that you can receive HD, it simply means that your television can have
> the HD tuner fitted, a little like teletext.
>
> As mentioned in my post, the UK don't get it until mid-year. As far as I am
> aware the only country that you can receive HD television is the US!
>
>
>> List of Widescreen & HD Programs here:
>> http://www.widescreentv.com.au/program.html
>>
>
>

[Jace the Ace]

I am sorry to inform both of you that contrary to your belief (3 to 4 years
ago) Oz DO NOT have High definition television, they have digital not HD and
it makes no difference if you have a STB, Foxtel IQ, LCD or Plasma
television sets we do not have high definition television. You need to have
a special tuner in your LCD or Plasma television and very few on the
Australian market have that at present. Advertising as 'HD READY' DOES NOT
mean that you can receive HD, it simply means that your television can have
the HD tuner fitted, a little like teletext.


How does it feel to be the Village Idiot?

[Ext User(Cameron McCormack)]

jjcoolaus@yahoo.com.au wrote:
> and some better homes and gardens features (7). 10 and SBS upconvert
> their SD content during the "off" times (essentially making it the
> same). ABC only broadcast HD from 8am till about 8pm at night then
> turn it off - but it's all upconverted as well (apart from their HD
> content).

I've wondered this for a while: what's the benefit of watching
upconverted content? Is it just that the broadcasters have better
resampling algorithms than those built in to your average display/STB?
Seems like a waste of bandwidth to me.

--
Cameron McCormack ICQ: 26955922
cam (at) mcc.id.au MSN: cam (at) mcc.id.au
http://mcc.id.au/ JBR: heycam (at) jabber.org

[Ext User(Neil Green)]

"Cameron McCormack" <cam@mcc.id.au> wrote in message
news:44471d9a@quokka.wn.com.au...
> jjcoolaus@yahoo.com.au wrote:
>> and some better homes and gardens features (7). 10 and SBS upconvert
>> their SD content during the "off" times (essentially making it the
>> same). ABC only broadcast HD from 8am till about 8pm at night then
>> turn it off - but it's all upconverted as well (apart from their HD
>> content).
>
> I've wondered this for a while: what's the benefit of watching
> upconverted content? Is it just that the broadcasters have better
> resampling algorithms than those built in to your average display/STB?
> Seems like a waste of bandwidth to me.
>
> --
> Cameron McCormack ICQ: 26955922
> cam (at) mcc.id.au MSN: cam (at) mcc.id.au
> http://mcc.id.au/ JBR: heycam (at) jabber.org

HD is a waste of bandwidth IMO.
I have a HD televison and STB and the difference between HD and SD is
marginal at best, SD television is crystal clear and perfectly adequate for
99% of people.
I would have preferred that the spectrum was put to better use.

[Ext User(KB)]

Neil Green wrote:
> "Cameron McCormack" <cam@mcc.id.au> wrote in message
> news:44471d9a@quokka.wn.com.au...
>> jjcoolaus@yahoo.com.au wrote:
>>> and some better homes and gardens features (7). 10 and SBS upconvert
>>> their SD content during the "off" times (essentially making it the
>>> same). ABC only broadcast HD from 8am till about 8pm at night then
>>> turn it off - but it's all upconverted as well (apart from their HD
>>> content).
>> I've wondered this for a while: what's the benefit of watching
>> upconverted content? Is it just that the broadcasters have better
>> resampling algorithms than those built in to your average display/STB?
>> Seems like a waste of bandwidth to me.
>>
>> --
>> Cameron McCormack ICQ: 26955922
>> cam (at) mcc.id.au MSN: cam (at) mcc.id.au
>> http://mcc.id.au/ JBR: heycam (at) jabber.org
>
> HD is a waste of bandwidth IMO.
> I have a HD televison and STB and the difference between HD and SD is
> marginal at best, SD television is crystal clear and perfectly adequate for
> 99% of people.

Please see an optician before you have an accident. It could be fatal.

[Ext User(Mike)]

jjcoolaus@yahoo.com.au wrote:

> same). ABC only broadcast HD from 8am till about 8pm at night then
> turn it off - but it's all upconverted as well (apart from their HD
> content).

ABC have real HD content??!! Since when? Anything worthwhile?

[Ext User(Ben Thomas)]

Cameron McCormack wrote:
> jjcoolaus@yahoo.com.au wrote:
>
>>and some better homes and gardens features (7). 10 and SBS upconvert
>>their SD content during the "off" times (essentially making it the
>>same). ABC only broadcast HD from 8am till about 8pm at night then
>>turn it off - but it's all upconverted as well (apart from their HD
>>content).
>
>
> I've wondered this for a while: what's the benefit of watching
> upconverted content? Is it just that the broadcasters have better
> resampling algorithms than those built in to your average display/STB?
> Seems like a waste of bandwidth to me.
>

Funnily enough, the upconverted F1 Grands Prix look better when viewed
full screen on my PC at 1280x960 res, than the SD channels.

--
Ben Thomas, Melbourne, Australia

"Red Bull tastes like canned carbonated concentrated evil."

[Ext User(jjcoolaus@yahoo.com.au)]

My apologies - I assumed the ABC did broadcast some native HD, but they
don't. Turns out you are right here - and they are happy to admit it
too!

From: http://www.abc.net.au/reception/digital/definition.htm

"Government legislation requires broadcasters to transmit at least 1040
hours of high definition viewing a year. On average this is about 20
hours a week. For the commercial broadcasters this must be "native"
high definition - ie filmed and produced in high definition. The public
broadcasters are allowed to "up convert" their quota from SDTV to HDTV.
The quality of up converted SDTV may not be significantly better than
the original."

There you have it. SBS and the ABC don't have to broadcast ANY HD
content, just up convert the standard def stuff.

[Ext User(Netmask)]

<jjcoolaus@yahoo.com.au> wrote in message
news:1145592947.565834.313440@g10g2000cwb.googlegr oups.com...
> My apologies - I assumed the ABC did broadcast some native HD, but they
> don't. Turns out you are right here - and they are happy to admit it
> too!
>
> From: http://www.abc.net.au/reception/digital/definition.htm
>
> "Government legislation requires broadcasters to transmit at least 1040
> hours of high definition viewing a year. On average this is about 20
> hours a week. For the commercial broadcasters this must be "native"
> high definition - ie filmed and produced in high definition. The public
> broadcasters are allowed to "up convert" their quota from SDTV to HDTV.
> The quality of up converted SDTV may not be significantly better than
> the original."
>
> There you have it. SBS and the ABC don't have to broadcast ANY HD
> content, just up convert the standard def stuff.
>


and of course the Government has given them this out because then they don't
have to give them any more money.

[Ext User(dweebken)]

Does that mean I should take my HD DTV STB back,and my 50" HD plasma screen
and tell the TV stations not to bother transmitting HD because I read it on
the internet?

KB
"KB" <KB@no.spam.here> wrote in message
news:44471450$0$82462$c30e37c6@lon-reader.news.telstra.net...
> Stupid trolling fuckwit.
>
> Malacy Finn wrote:
>> I am sorry to inform both of you that contrary to your belief (3 to 4
>> years ago) Oz DO NOT have High definition television, they have digital
>> not HD and it makes no difference if you have a STB, Foxtel IQ, LCD or
>> Plasma television sets we do not have high definition television. You
>> need to have a special tuner in your LCD or Plasma television and very
>> few on the Australian market have that at present. Advertising as 'HD
>> READY' DOES NOT mean that you can receive HD, it simply means that your
>> television can have the HD tuner fitted, a little like teletext.
>>
>> As mentioned in my post, the UK don't get it until mid-year. As far as I
>> am aware the only country that you can receive HD television is the US!
>>
>>
>>> List of Widescreen & HD Programs here:
>>> http://www.widescreentv.com.au/program.html
>>>
>>

[Ext User(Neil Green)]

"KB" <KB@no.spam.here> wrote in message
news:444769b2$0$82459$c30e37c6@lon-reader.news.telstra.net...
> Neil Green wrote:
>> "Cameron McCormack" <cam@mcc.id.au> wrote in message
>> news:44471d9a@quokka.wn.com.au...
>>> jjcoolaus@yahoo.com.au wrote:
>>>> and some better homes and gardens features (7). 10 and SBS upconvert
>>>> their SD content during the "off" times (essentially making it the
>>>> same). ABC only broadcast HD from 8am till about 8pm at night then
>>>> turn it off - but it's all upconverted as well (apart from their HD
>>>> content).
>>> I've wondered this for a while: what's the benefit of watching
>>> upconverted content? Is it just that the broadcasters have better
>>> resampling algorithms than those built in to your average display/STB?
>>> Seems like a waste of bandwidth to me.
>>>
>>> --
>>> Cameron McCormack ICQ: 26955922
>>> cam (at) mcc.id.au MSN: cam (at) mcc.id.au
>>> http://mcc.id.au/ JBR: heycam (at) jabber.org
>>
>> HD is a waste of bandwidth IMO.
>> I have a HD televison and STB and the difference between HD and SD is
>> marginal at best, SD television is crystal clear and perfectly adequate
>> for 99% of people.
>
> Please see an optician before you have an accident. It could be fatal.

Agreed my eyesight isn't 20/20, but SD looks excellent to me, better than
DVD anyway.
HD is better again but probably not enough to justify the the expense of the
equipment for most people.
I just had some lazy cash floating around.

[Ext User(Saus29)]

"Malacy Finn" <malfin@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
news:c%x1g.10422$vy1.2790@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
> Anybody know when Oz will be getting HD television? I note that the UK
> will be getting HD mid-year and it is already off and running in the US.
>

don't hold your breath for HD, 1080 progressive is a pipe dream
all the dreamers on this group think 720 is HD, it just looks woeful. I hate
jaggies and 720 is a joke.

[Ext User(Wdino)]

You quite obviously do not have a TV that can display full HD, 1080i.
I do and the difference makes quite ordinary programmes compelling
viewing because of the clarity.

The poor excuse for HD that Seven, the ABC and SBS transmit cannot be
classed as High Definition (by rational people). It was only called that
by a political decision. The general public cannot see any difference
between 720p (poor excuse for HD)and 720i (SD).

Neil Green wrote:
> "KB" <KB@no.spam.here> wrote in message
> news:444769b2$0$82459$c30e37c6@lon-reader.news.telstra.net...
>> Neil Green wrote:
>>> "Cameron McCormack" <cam@mcc.id.au> wrote in message
>>> news:44471d9a@quokka.wn.com.au...
>>>> jjcoolaus@yahoo.com.au wrote:
>>>>> and some better homes and gardens features (7). 10 and SBS upconvert
>>>>> their SD content during the "off" times (essentially making it the
>>>>> same). ABC only broadcast HD from 8am till about 8pm at night then
>>>>> turn it off - but it's all upconverted as well (apart from their HD
>>>>> content).
>>>> I've wondered this for a while: what's the benefit of watching
>>>> upconverted content? Is it just that the broadcasters have better
>>>> resampling algorithms than those built in to your average display/STB?
>>>> Seems like a waste of bandwidth to me.
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Cameron McCormack ICQ: 26955922
>>>> cam (at) mcc.id.au MSN: cam (at) mcc.id.au
>>>> http://mcc.id.au/ JBR: heycam (at) jabber.org
>>> HD is a waste of bandwidth IMO.
>>> I have a HD televison and STB and the difference between HD and SD is
>>> marginal at best, SD television is crystal clear and perfectly adequate
>>> for 99% of people.
>> Please see an optician before you have an accident. It could be fatal.
>
> Agreed my eyesight isn't 20/20, but SD looks excellent to me, better than
> DVD anyway.
> HD is better again but probably not enough to justify the the expense of the
> equipment for most people.
> I just had some lazy cash floating around.
>
>

[Ext User(KB)]

Wdino wrote:
> You quite obviously do not have a TV that can display full HD, 1080i.
> I do and the difference makes quite ordinary programmes compelling
> viewing because of the clarity.
>
> The poor excuse for HD that Seven, the ABC and SBS transmit cannot be
> classed as High Definition (by rational people). It was only called that
> by a political decision. The general public cannot see any difference
> between 720p (poor excuse for HD)and 720i (SD).
>

Please get your details correct, it's 576p and 576i (SD)!
We don't have 720 in this country (at least not until Foxtel starts it's
HD channels). That's assuming that Foxtel copies the format that the
European pay tv operators are using.

[Ext User(KB)]

Saus29 wrote:
> "Malacy Finn" <malfin@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
> news:c%x1g.10422$vy1.2790@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
>> Anybody know when Oz will be getting HD television? I note that the UK
>> will be getting HD mid-year and it is already off and running in the US.
>>
>
> don't hold your breath for HD, 1080 progressive is a pipe dream
> all the dreamers on this group think 720 is HD, it just looks woeful. I hate
> jaggies and 720 is a joke.

FFS, get your facts right. We DON'T have 720p in this country yet!