Re: When CDMA is Shutdown... Various Ponderings

[Ext User(Kralizec Craig)]

Graham Fountain <ask@and.find.out> writes:

>I was just wondering. When CDMA gets shutdown in '08, what will become
>of the infrastructure that is supplying it? I wonder if Telstra will
>auction it off so that maybe some other operator could buy it and
>operate a similar service?

I think all the AMPS gear got sold off to 'developing nations approved by
the USA'.

>The original line I heard from a rep from Telstra, was that because the
>new 3G network is going to be 850MHz,

Ah great so we're opting for sub-standard USA crap technology for our new
mobile phone networks...

>On another note, what I haven't been able to find out, when they say
>CDMA won't be shutdown until 3G is providing equivalent service, do they
>mean this on a nationwide basis or on a regional basis? So will we see
>the situation where I'll need a 3G handset for some areas and a CDMA
>handset for others while the conversion is underway?
>And finally... Will any 3G handsets actually exist in time for the
>launch of the service? A little bird has told me that thus-far only one
>manufacturer has expressed an interest in production of handsets for the
>new 3G network, and Telstra rejected their proposal. Could be
>interesting times ahead.

Well there are two other mobile phone networks in Australia so just because
Telstra says no, it doesn't mean that Optus and Vodafone won't say yes.

Craig.
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[Ext User(horacewachope@gmail.com)]

On Mon, 24 Apr 2006 09:08:16 +0000 (UTC), Kralizec Craig
<cd@lios.apana.org.au> wrote:

>Graham Fountain <ask@and.find.out> writes:
>
>>I was just wondering. When CDMA gets shutdown in '08, what will become
>>of the infrastructure that is supplying it? I wonder if Telstra will
>>auction it off so that maybe some other operator could buy it and
>>operate a similar service?
>
>I think all the AMPS gear got sold off to 'developing nations approved by
>the USA'.

I raised this question recently, but no-one who responded knew where
the AMPS hardware went.

I had previously thought it went to East Timor, but was shown to be
wrong.

[Ext User(budgie)]

On Mon, 24 Apr 2006 18:52:28 +0930, horacewachope@gmail.com wrote:

>On Mon, 24 Apr 2006 09:08:16 +0000 (UTC), Kralizec Craig
><cd@lios.apana.org.au> wrote:
>
>>Graham Fountain <ask@and.find.out> writes:
>>
>>>I was just wondering. When CDMA gets shutdown in '08, what will become
>>>of the infrastructure that is supplying it? I wonder if Telstra will
>>>auction it off so that maybe some other operator could buy it and
>>>operate a similar service?
>>
>>I think all the AMPS gear got sold off to 'developing nations approved by
>>the USA'.
>
>I raised this question recently, but no-one who responded knew where
>the AMPS hardware went.
>
>I had previously thought it went to East Timor, but was shown to be
>wrong.

A large amount of the AMPS gear was left in place when decommissioned. This
provided a convenient impediment to sharing floorspace with other carriers.
When that little scam was no longer effective, Tel$tra progressively pulled it
out as and when they needed the space themselves. Our local cell site in
suburban Perth (which carried AMPS) only had the gear removed about three weeks
ago, to make room for new gear. Destined for the crusher.

[Ext User(Rod Speed)]

Kralizec Craig <cd@lios.apana.org.au> wrote
> Graham Fountain <ask@and.find.out> writes

>> I was just wondering. When CDMA gets shutdown in '08,
>> what will become of the infrastructure that is supplying it?
>> I wonder if Telstra will auction it off so that maybe some
>> other operator could buy it and operate a similar service?

> I think all the AMPS gear got sold off to
> 'developing nations approved by the USA'.

You're wrong. No approval by the US was required.

>> The original line I heard from a rep from Telstra, was that
>> because the new 3G network is going to be 850MHz,

> Ah great so we're opting for sub-standard USA crap
> technology for our new mobile phone networks...

You're wrong, as always.

>> On another note, what I haven't been able to find out, when they say
>> CDMA won't be shutdown until 3G is providing equivalent service, do
>> they mean this on a nationwide basis or on a regional basis? So
>> will we see the situation where I'll need a 3G handset for some
>> areas and a CDMA handset for others while the conversion is underway?
>> And finally... Will any 3G handsets actually exist in time for the
>> launch of the service? A little bird has told me that thus-far only
>> one manufacturer has expressed an interest in production of handsets
>> for the new 3G network, and Telstra rejected their proposal. Could be
>> interesting times ahead.

> Well there are two other mobile phone networks in
> Australia so just because Telstra says no, it doesn't
> mean that Optus and Vodafone won't say yes.

[Ext User(budgie)]

On Mon, 24 Apr 2006 18:52:28 +0930, horacewachope@gmail.com wrote:

>On Mon, 24 Apr 2006 09:08:16 +0000 (UTC), Kralizec Craig
><cd@lios.apana.org.au> wrote:
>
>>Graham Fountain <ask@and.find.out> writes:
>>
>>>I was just wondering. When CDMA gets shutdown in '08, what will become
>>>of the infrastructure that is supplying it? I wonder if Telstra will
>>>auction it off so that maybe some other operator could buy it and
>>>operate a similar service?
>>
>>I think all the AMPS gear got sold off to 'developing nations approved by
>>the USA'.
>
>I raised this question recently, but no-one who responded knew where
>the AMPS hardware went.
>
>I had previously thought it went to East Timor, but was shown to be
>wrong.

A large amount of it was never pulled out in the era of AMPS shutdown. It
retained floor space and became a convenient impediment to sharing that
floorspace with other carriers. When that little scam became defunct, it
started to get pulled out as Tel$tra progressively needed the space for their
own expansion into new gear. Our local cell site (which dates from AMPS days)
only had the racks of gear pulled out about three weeks back. Gear is destined
for the crusher.

There are some nice salvageable bits in there. Tons of spares for the local
hams ;-)

[Ext User(Craig Ian Dewick)]

"Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> writes:

>Kralizec Craig <cd@lios.apana.org.au> wrote
>> Graham Fountain <ask@and.find.out> writes

>>> I was just wondering. When CDMA gets shutdown in '08,
>>> what will become of the infrastructure that is supplying it?
>>> I wonder if Telstra will auction it off so that maybe some
>>> other operator could buy it and operate a similar service?

>> I think all the AMPS gear got sold off to
>> 'developing nations approved by the USA'.

>You're wrong. No approval by the US was required.

I'm sure that if Telstra wanted to give AMPS gear to countries which the US
had embargoed, there would be a massive complaint that the Australian
government, as the main shareholder, had allowed comms equipment to end up
in the hands of an 'enemy' country like Sudan, North Korea, Iran, etc.

But notice how Iraq is no longer an embargoed country - pissy yanks.

>>> The original line I heard from a rep from Telstra, was that
>>> because the new 3G network is going to be 850MHz,

>> Ah great so we're opting for sub-standard USA crap
>> technology for our new mobile phone networks...

>You're wrong, as always.

You're being a wanker as always Rod. Instead of your 'your always wrong'
answer why don't you actually explain the situation so we can learn
something more than the fact you can't handle it when someone says something
you disagree with... te he

Craig.
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[Ext User(Rod Speed)]

Craig Ian Dewick <craig@lios.apana.org.au> wrote
> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> writes
>> Kralizec Craig <cd@lios.apana.org.au> wrote
>>> Graham Fountain <ask@and.find.out> writes

>>>> I was just wondering. When CDMA gets shutdown in '08,
>>>> what will become of the infrastructure that is supplying it?
>>>> I wonder if Telstra will auction it off so that maybe some
>>>> other operator could buy it and operate a similar service?

>>> I think all the AMPS gear got sold off to
>>> 'developing nations approved by the USA'.

>> You're wrong. No approval by the US was required.

> I'm sure that if Telstra wanted to give AMPS gear to countries which
> the US had embargoed, there would be a massive complaint that the
> Australian government, as the main shareholder, had allowed comms
> equipment to end up in the hands of an 'enemy' country like Sudan,
> North Korea, Iran, etc.

You're wrong, as always.

> But notice how Iraq is no longer an embargoed country - pissy yanks.

>>>> The original line I heard from a rep from Telstra, was that
>>>> because the new 3G network is going to be 850MHz,

>>> Ah great so we're opting for sub-standard USA crap
>>> technology for our new mobile phone networks...

>> You're wrong, as always.

> You're being a wanker as always Rod.

Never ever could bullshit its way out of a wet paper bag.

> Instead of your 'your always wrong' answer why don't
> you actually explain the situation so we can learn
> something more than the fact you can't handle it when
> someone says something you disagree with... te he

Never ever could bullshit its way out of a wet paper bag.

It aint even US technology, fuckwit child.

[Ext User(SockpuppetKing)]

"Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:4b57vvFvnqfsU1@individual.net...
> Craig Ian Dewick <craig@lios.apana.org.au> wrote
>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> writes
>>> Kralizec Craig <cd@lios.apana.org.au> wrote
>>>> Graham Fountain <ask@and.find.out> writes
>
>>>>> I was just wondering. When CDMA gets shutdown in '08,
>>>>> what will become of the infrastructure that is supplying it?
>>>>> I wonder if Telstra will auction it off so that maybe some
>>>>> other operator could buy it and operate a similar service?
>
>>>> I think all the AMPS gear got sold off to
>>>> 'developing nations approved by the USA'.
>
>>> You're wrong. No approval by the US was required.
>
>> I'm sure that if Telstra wanted to give AMPS gear to countries which
>> the US had embargoed, there would be a massive complaint that the
>> Australian government, as the main shareholder, had allowed comms
>> equipment to end up in the hands of an 'enemy' country like Sudan,
>> North Korea, Iran, etc.
>
> You're wrong, as always.
>
>> But notice how Iraq is no longer an embargoed country - pissy yanks.
>
>>>>> The original line I heard from a rep from Telstra, was that
>>>>> because the new 3G network is going to be 850MHz,
>
>>>> Ah great so we're opting for sub-standard USA crap
>>>> technology for our new mobile phone networks...
>
>>> You're wrong, as always.
>
>> You're being a wanker as always Rod.
>
> Never ever could bullshit its way out of a wet paper bag.
>
>> Instead of your 'your always wrong' answer why don't
>> you actually explain the situation so we can learn
>> something more than the fact you can't handle it when
>> someone says something you disagree with... te he
>
> Never ever could bullshit its way out of a wet paper bag.
>
> It aint even US technology, fuckwit child.

You're wrong wanker as always fuckwit dilbit

[Ext User(Michael)]

> > But notice how Iraq is no longer an embargoed country - pissy yanks.
>
> >>>> The original line I heard from a rep from Telstra, was that
> >>>> because the new 3G network is going to be 850MHz,
>
> >>> Ah great so we're opting for sub-standard USA crap
> >>> technology for our new mobile phone networks...
>
> >> You're wrong, as always.
>
> > You're being a wanker as always Rod.
>
> Never ever could bullshit its way out of a wet paper bag.
>
> > Instead of your 'your always wrong' answer why don't
> > you actually explain the situation so we can learn
> > something more than the fact you can't handle it when
> > someone says something you disagree with... te he
>
> Never ever could bullshit its way out of a wet paper bag.
>
> It aint even US technology, fuckwit child.

Sure is.
>
>

[Ext User(Michael)]

"Craig Ian Dewick" <craig@lios.apana.org.au> wrote in message
news:e2je5k$2o$2@yoda.apana.org.au...
> "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> writes:
>
> >Kralizec Craig <cd@lios.apana.org.au> wrote
> >> Graham Fountain <ask@and.find.out> writes
>
> >>> I was just wondering. When CDMA gets shutdown in '08,
> >>> what will become of the infrastructure that is supplying it?
> >>> I wonder if Telstra will auction it off so that maybe some
> >>> other operator could buy it and operate a similar service?
>
> >> I think all the AMPS gear got sold off to
> >> 'developing nations approved by the USA'.
>
> >You're wrong. No approval by the US was required.
>
> I'm sure that if Telstra wanted to give AMPS gear to countries which the
US
> had embargoed, there would be a massive complaint that the Australian
> government, as the main shareholder, had allowed comms equipment to end up
> in the hands of an 'enemy' country like Sudan, North Korea, Iran, etc.
>
> But notice how Iraq is no longer an embargoed country - pissy yanks.
>
> >>> The original line I heard from a rep from Telstra, was that
> >>> because the new 3G network is going to be 850MHz,
>
> >> Ah great so we're opting for sub-standard USA crap
> >> technology for our new mobile phone networks...
>
> >You're wrong, as always.
>
> You're being a wanker as always Rod. Instead of your 'your always wrong'
> answer why don't you actually explain the situation so we can learn
> something more than the fact you can't handle it when someone says
something
> you disagree with... te he
'
Hes right, you were completely on the wrong track

[Ext User(Rod Speed)]

Michael <michael@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>> But notice how Iraq is no longer an embargoed country - pissy yanks.
>>
>>>>>> The original line I heard from a rep from Telstra, was that
>>>>>> because the new 3G network is going to be 850MHz,
>>
>>>>> Ah great so we're opting for sub-standard USA crap
>>>>> technology for our new mobile phone networks...
>>
>>>> You're wrong, as always.
>>
>>> You're being a wanker as always Rod.
>>
>> Never ever could bullshit its way out of a wet paper bag.
>>
>>> Instead of your 'your always wrong' answer why don't
>>> you actually explain the situation so we can learn
>>> something more than the fact you can't handle it when
>>> someone says something you disagree with... te he
>>
>> Never ever could bullshit its way out of a wet paper bag.
>>
>> It aint even US technology, fuckwit child.
>
> Sure is.

Thanks for that completely superfluous proof that you have
never ever had a fucking clue about anything at all, ever.

[Ext User(RoT)]

Kralizec Craig wrote:

ar service?
>
> I think all the AMPS gear got sold off to 'developing nations approved by
> the USA'.
>


heh, 90% of the amps gear is still sitting in the basestations, the stuff
that is pulled out to make room for upgrades is scrapped. Take it from me,
I know cause Ive scrapped em :)
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RoT