Re: When CDMA is Shutdown... Various Ponderings

[Ext User(Kralizec Craig)]

Al Foyle <al_foyle@yahoo.com.au> writes:

>Michael wrote:

>>> Just had another thought - Telstra are still signing people up on 2
>>> year contracts - what happens if the pin gets pulled on CDMA while those
>>> contracts are still current? Will they let the customer purchase a new
>>
>> Wont happen

>What won't happen? I'm in this situation now. I'm nearly out of contract
>with a Telstra CDMA account. And my phone's starting to play up. I've
>got to decide whether to persevere with the phone or get a new one in
>the interim.

Are you sure it's the phone playing up and not Telstra deliberately
degrading the service like Foxtel is doing with the analog pay-tv signals to
try and co-erce people to change to their digital offering?

I wouldn't put it past Telstra to fiddle with the CDMA configuration so that
handsets start to appear like they're getting less reliable.

Craig.
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[Ext User(Rod Speed)]

Kralizec Craig <cd@lios.apana.org.au> wrote
> Al Foyle <al_foyle@yahoo.com.au> writes
>> Michael wrote

>>>> Just had another thought - Telstra are still signing people up on 2
>>>> year contracts - what happens if the pin gets pulled on CDMA while
>>>> those contracts are still current? Will they let the customer
>>>> purchase a new

>>> Wont happen

>> What won't happen? I'm in this situation now. I'm nearly out of
>> contract with a Telstra CDMA account. And my phone's starting to
>> play up. I've got to decide whether to persevere with the phone or
>> get a new one in the interim.

> Are you sure it's the phone playing up and
> not Telstra deliberately degrading the service

Utterly mindless conspiracy theory.

Odd that no one else has a problem, cretin.

> I wouldn't put it past Telstra to fiddle with the CDMA configuration
> so that handsets start to appear like they're getting less reliable.

More fool you. No surprise that the best you
have ever been able to manage is train driver.

[Ext User(Michael)]

"Kralizec Craig" <cd@lios.apana.org.au> wrote in message
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> Al Foyle <al_foyle@yahoo.com.au> writes:
>
> >Michael wrote:
>
> >>> Just had another thought - Telstra are still signing people up on 2
> >>> year contracts - what happens if the pin gets pulled on CDMA while
those
> >>> contracts are still current? Will they let the customer purchase a new
> >>
> >> Wont happen
>
> >What won't happen? I'm in this situation now. I'm nearly out of contract
> >with a Telstra CDMA account. And my phone's starting to play up. I've
> >got to decide whether to persevere with the phone or get a new one in
> >the interim.
>
> Are you sure it's the phone playing up and not Telstra deliberately
> degrading the service like Foxtel is doing with the analog pay-tv signals
to
> try and co-erce people to change to their digital offering?

Conspiracy theorist

> I wouldn't put it past Telstra to fiddle with the CDMA configuration so
that
> handsets start to appear like they're getting less reliable.

LOL

[Ext User(Michael)]

"Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> Kralizec Craig <cd@lios.apana.org.au> wrote
> > Al Foyle <al_foyle@yahoo.com.au> writes
> >> Michael wrote
>
> >>>> Just had another thought - Telstra are still signing people up on 2
> >>>> year contracts - what happens if the pin gets pulled on CDMA while
> >>>> those contracts are still current? Will they let the customer
> >>>> purchase a new
>
> >>> Wont happen
>
> >> What won't happen? I'm in this situation now. I'm nearly out of
> >> contract with a Telstra CDMA account. And my phone's starting to
> >> play up. I've got to decide whether to persevere with the phone or
> >> get a new one in the interim.
>
> > Are you sure it's the phone playing up and
> > not Telstra deliberately degrading the service
>
> Utterly mindless conspiracy theory.
>
> Odd that no one else has a problem, cretin.
>
> > I wouldn't put it past Telstra to fiddle with the CDMA configuration
> > so that handsets start to appear like they're getting less reliable.
>
> More fool you. No surprise that the best you
> have ever been able to manage is train driver.

Is he the same 'wit that complained about his wage having to be direct
deposited?
>
>

[Ext User(Rod Speed)]

Michael <michael@yahoo.com> wrote:
> "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:4b5s0hFvv213U1@individual.net...
>> Kralizec Craig <cd@lios.apana.org.au> wrote
>>> Al Foyle <al_foyle@yahoo.com.au> writes
>>>> Michael wrote
>>
>>>>>> Just had another thought - Telstra are still signing people up
>>>>>> on 2 year contracts - what happens if the pin gets pulled on
>>>>>> CDMA while those contracts are still current? Will they let the
>>>>>> customer purchase a new
>>
>>>>> Wont happen
>>
>>>> What won't happen? I'm in this situation now. I'm nearly out of
>>>> contract with a Telstra CDMA account. And my phone's starting to
>>>> play up. I've got to decide whether to persevere with the phone or
>>>> get a new one in the interim.
>>
>>> Are you sure it's the phone playing up and
>>> not Telstra deliberately degrading the service
>>
>> Utterly mindless conspiracy theory.
>>
>> Odd that no one else has a problem, cretin.
>>
>>> I wouldn't put it past Telstra to fiddle with the CDMA configuration
>>> so that handsets start to appear like they're getting less reliable.
>>
>> More fool you. No surprise that the best you
>> have ever been able to manage is train driver.
>
> Is he the same 'wit that complained about his wage having to be direct
> deposited?

Dont remember who that was.

He was the fuckwit that mindlessly ranted about how useless DSL
would always be. Who now appears to be about to use it himself.

A Jap would at least have the decency to disembowel itself.

[Ext User(Kralizec Craig)]

"Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> writes:

>He was the fuckwit that mindlessly ranted about how useless DSL
>would always be. Who now appears to be about to use it himself.

What I actually said at the time was that with then-current costs, DSL was
useless because it was benefit-negative. And for the most part it still is
because the costs have not come down commensurately with the availability of
the equipment to provide better services.

That said, ISDN is getting priced up and up regularly with Telstra always
increasing the cost of ISDN Home services to keep it pegged with the cost of
a regular fixed line service. Now it's actually cost-effective for me to
change from ISDN to some sort of DSL service due to DSL offerings reaching
the point where, for my own network's usage patterns, the differences make
ISDN and mid-grade ADSL almost benefit-neutral when compared.

Note that it's just my particular situation and I think it's quite unlike
the situation most people who go with DSL are in since they're just going
from dial-up to DSL. I've had ISDN for the best part of 10 years in various
forms, so I like the inherent reliability and the fact that I know that I
will always get the full 128 kbps raw aggregated PPP capacity (a lot more
with compression enabled) in *both* directions no matter what time of the
day/night it is, and without any form of data capping.

ADSL doesn't give either a completely uncapped service (ie. without per-MB
excess charging or shaping after a limit is reached), nor a matched up/down
transfer rate. ADSL2 exacerbates this further with the variable transfer
rates (where it's actually available).

Symmetric DSL is the only way with a digital subscriber line to get properly
matched up/down transfer rates.

>A Jap would at least have the decency to disembowel itself.

I'm no Jappie thanks chappie.

Craig.
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[Ext User(Rod Speed)]

Kralizec Craig <cd@lios.apana.org.au> wrote
> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote

>> He was the fuckwit that mindlessly ranted about how useless DSL
>> would always be. Who now appears to be about to use it himself.

> What I actually said at the time was that with then-current
> costs, DSL was useless because it was benefit-negative.

Bare faced lie, and anyone can confirm that using groups.google

http://groups.google.com/groups/search?q=craig+dsl+OR+adsl+author%3Arod+author%3As peed&start=0&scoring=d&hl=en&lr=lang_en&safe=off&num=10&as_drrb=b&as_mind=1&as_minm=1&as_miny=1981&as_maxd=26&as_maxm=12&as_maxy=2005&

> And for the most part it still is because the costs have not come down
> commensurately with the availability of the equipment to provide better
> services.

Thanks for that completely superfluous proof that you have
never ever had a fucking clue about anything at all, ever.

> That said, ISDN is getting priced up and up regularly with Telstra
> always increasing the cost of ISDN Home services to keep it
> pegged with the cost of a regular fixed line service. Now it's actually
> cost-effective for me to change from ISDN to some sort of DSL
> service due to DSL offerings reaching the point where, for my
> own network's usage patterns, the differences make ISDN and
> mid-grade ADSL almost benefit-neutral when compared.

Never ever could bullshit its way out of a wet paper bag.

Only a pig ignorant fool would use ISDN
over DSL when they could have either.

And that aint something thats changed lately either.

> Note that it's just my particular situation and I think
> it's quite unlike the situation most people who go
> with DSL are in since they're just going from dial-up
> to DSL. I've had ISDN for the best part of 10 years
> in various forms, so I like the inherent reliability

Plenty have found that DSL is MORE reliable than ISDN now.

> and the fact that I know that I will always get the full
> 128 kbps raw aggregated PPP capacity (a lot more
> with compression enabled) in *both* directions no
> matter what time of the day/night it is,

You can get a lot better than that with DSL, fool.

> and without any form of data capping.

No need for capping with that pathetic speed, fool.

> ADSL doesn't give either a completely uncapped service (ie.
> without per-MB excess charging or shaping after a limit is reached),

Wrong again, a few do offer that.

> nor a matched up/down transfer rate.

Wrong, as always. Some do offer a symmetric service.

> ADSL2 exacerbates this further with the variable transfer rates

More mindlessly silly crap. The point is that its
ALWAYS better than ADSL speed wise, fuckwit.

> (where it's actually available).

> Symmetric DSL is the only way with a digital subscriber
> line to get properly matched up/down transfer rates.

Pity most dont want that. And its available for those who do anyway.

>> A Jap would at least have the decency to disembowel itself.

> I'm no Jappie thanks chappie.

Pity about that.

[Ext User(Kralizec Craig)]

"Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> writes:

>Never ever could bullshit its way out of a wet paper bag.

I think I'll starting asking people to send me a dollar every time Speedy
comes out with this comment! he he

>Only a pig ignorant fool would use ISDN
>over DSL when they could have either.

>And that aint something thats changed lately either.

It depends on individual circumstances, as you well know.

>Plenty have found that DSL is MORE reliable than ISDN now.

That might well be the case, and it adds weight to my point that ISDN and
DSL are benefit-neutral now for *my* situation.

>> and the fact that I know that I will always get the full
>> 128 kbps raw aggregated PPP capacity (a lot more
>> with compression enabled) in *both* directions no
>> matter what time of the day/night it is,

>You can get a lot better than that with DSL, fool.

Yes you can, but you can't get the same upstream speed and downstream speed
with ADSL, and with ADSL you're hampered by the overhead of PPPoA.

>> ADSL doesn't give either a completely uncapped service (ie.
>> without per-MB excess charging or shaping after a limit is reached),

>Wrong again, a few do offer that.

I'll have to check that out.

>> nor a matched up/down transfer rate.

>Wrong, as always. Some do offer a symmetric service.

Not with ADSL they don't.

>> ADSL2 exacerbates this further with the variable transfer rates

>More mindlessly silly crap. The point is that its
>ALWAYS better than ADSL speed wise, fuckwit.

Can you or anyone else actually guarantee that? ADSL2 sounds like cable
broadband where the transfer rate varies depending on how many other people
are viewing Foxtel and/or using their cable broadband service on your
particular cable segment...

>> (where it's actually available).

>> Symmetric DSL is the only way with a digital subscriber
>> line to get properly matched up/down transfer rates.

>Pity most dont want that. And its available for those who do anyway.

Both true, but I always knew that.

Craig.

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[Ext User(Kwyjibo.)]

"Kralizec Craig" <cd@lios.apana.org.au> wrote in message
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> "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> writes:
>
>> Never ever could bullshit its way out of a wet paper bag.
>
> I think I'll starting asking people to send me a dollar every time
> Speedy comes out with this comment! he he
>
>> Only a pig ignorant fool would use ISDN
>> over DSL when they could have either.
>
>> And that aint something thats changed lately either.
>
> It depends on individual circumstances, as you well know.
>
>> Plenty have found that DSL is MORE reliable than ISDN now.
>
> That might well be the case, and it adds weight to my point that ISDN
> and DSL are benefit-neutral now for *my* situation.
>
>>> and the fact that I know that I will always get the full
>>> 128 kbps raw aggregated PPP capacity (a lot more
>>> with compression enabled) in *both* directions no
>>> matter what time of the day/night it is,
>
>> You can get a lot better than that with DSL, fool.
>
> Yes you can, but you can't get the same upstream speed and downstream
> speed with ADSL, and with ADSL you're hampered by the overhead of
> PPPoA.

But with most plans the upstream path is higher than ISDN so the PPPoA/PPPoE
overhead has no impact.

>
>>> ADSL doesn't give either a completely uncapped service (ie.
>>> without per-MB excess charging or shaping after a limit is reached),
>
>> Wrong again, a few do offer that.
>
> I'll have to check that out.
>
>>> nor a matched up/down transfer rate.
>
>> Wrong, as always. Some do offer a symmetric service.
>
> Not with ADSL they don't.

No shit? Maybe because they can't?? (What do you reckon the A in ADSL stands
for, stupid?)

>
>>> ADSL2 exacerbates this further with the variable transfer rates
>
>> More mindlessly silly crap. The point is that its
>> ALWAYS better than ADSL speed wise, fuckwit.
>
> Can you or anyone else actually guarantee that? ADSL2 sounds like
> cable broadband

Not even close.

> where the transfer rate varies depending on how many
> other people are viewing Foxtel

Bullshit. Cable internet was *never* impacted by people watching cable TV.
Cable internet had its own dedicated frequncies.

> and/or using their cable broadband
> service on your particular cable segment...
>

Which was never an issue in Aus as we didn't have as many subscribers per
node as they had in the US.

--
Kwyj

[Ext User(Rod Speed)]

Some lying gutless fuckwit train driver deperately cowering behind
Kralizec Craig <cd@lios.apana.org.au> wrote
> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote

<reams of its desperate attempts to bullshit it way out of its predicament
that fools absolutely no one at all, flushed where it belongs>

>> Only a pig ignorant fool would use ISDN
>> over DSL when they could have either.

>> And that aint something thats changed lately either.

> It depends on individual circumstances,

No it doesnt.

> as you well know.

Pathetic, really.

>> Plenty have found that DSL is MORE reliable than ISDN now.

> That might well be the case,

No might about it.

> and it adds weight to my point that ISDN and
> DSL are benefit-neutral now for *my* situation.

Never ever could bullshit its way out of a wet paper bag.

>>> and the fact that I know that I will always get the full
>>> 128 kbps raw aggregated PPP capacity (a lot more
>>> with compression enabled) in *both* directions no
>>> matter what time of the day/night it is,

>> You can get a lot better than that with DSL, fool.

> Yes you can, but you can't get the same upstream
> speed and downstream speed with ADSL,

You can with DSL, you silly little pig ignorant fuckwit.

> and with ADSL you're hampered by the overhead of PPPoA.

Irrelevant when the speed is MUCH HIGHER THAN
THE SIMILAR PRICES ISDN, fuckwit child.

>>> ADSL doesn't give either a completely uncapped service (ie.
>>> without per-MB excess charging or shaping after a limit is reached),

>> Wrong again, a few do offer that.

> I'll have to check that out.

>>> nor a matched up/down transfer rate.

>> Wrong, as always. Some do offer a symmetric service.

> Not with ADSL they don't.

With DSL they sure do, you stupid pig
ignorant pathetic excuse for a bullshit artist.

>>> ADSL2 exacerbates this further with the variable transfer rates

>> More mindlessly silly crap. The point is that its
>> ALWAYS better than ADSL speed wise, fuckwit.

> Can you or anyone else actually guarantee that?

Yep.

> ADSL2 sounds like cable broadband

Only to pig ignorant fools like you.

> where the transfer rate varies depending on how many
> other people are viewing Foxtel and/or using their cable
> broadband service on your particular cable segment...

Thanks for that completely superfluous proof that you have
never ever had a fucking clue about anything at all, ever.

>>> (where it's actually available).

>>> Symmetric DSL is the only way with a digital subscriber
>>> line to get properly matched up/down transfer rates.

>> Pity most dont want that. And its available for those who do anyway.

> Both true, but I always knew that.

Yet another bare faced lie.

[Ext User(Michael)]

"Kralizec Craig" <cd@lios.apana.org.au> wrote in message
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> "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> writes:
>
> >He was the fuckwit that mindlessly ranted about how useless DSL
> >would always be. Who now appears to be about to use it himself.
>
> What I actually said at the time was that with then-current costs, DSL was
> useless because it was benefit-negative. And for the most part it still is

You were wrong then

> because the costs have not come down commensurately with the availability
of
> the equipment to provide better services.

And wrong now

[Ext User(Michael)]

> >Plenty have found that DSL is MORE reliable than ISDN now.
>
> That might well be the case, and it adds weight to my point that ISDN and
> DSL are benefit-neutral now for *my* situation.

what a wanker of a statement