Austria Trials 160 limit

[Ext User(Bernd Felsche)]

Austria is to trial a 160 km/h speed on it's A10 motorway.

It's part of providing flexibile speed limits which adjust to speeds
between 80 and 160 km/h, depending on conditions.

Loosely translated from http://www.tempo160.at/

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Vision and Goal

The 130 km/h speed limit was introduced in the early 70's.
Regardless of the rather minimal road construction and wanting
safety features of cars; the limit was fixed and applied regardless
of weather and traffic conditions.

....

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Motoring clubs as well as individuals as governments do not agree on
either the means nor the "vision". Opinions range from cynic to
worshipper.
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[Ext User(David Z)]

I first misread that as Australia... thanks alot!

"Bernd Felsche" <bernie@innovative.iinet.net.au> wrote in message
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> Austria is to trial a 160 km/h speed on it's A10 motorway.
>
> It's part of providing flexibile speed limits which adjust to speeds
> between 80 and 160 km/h, depending on conditions.
>
> Loosely translated from http://www.tempo160.at/
>
> ------------------
> Vision and Goal
>
> The 130 km/h speed limit was introduced in the early 70's.
> Regardless of the rather minimal road construction and wanting
> safety features of cars; the limit was fixed and applied regardless
> of weather and traffic conditions.
>
> ...
>
> ------------------
>
> Motoring clubs as well as individuals as governments do not agree on
> either the means nor the "vision". Opinions range from cynic to
> worshipper.
> --
> /"\ Bernd Felsche - Innovative Reckoning, Perth, Western Australia
> \ / ASCII ribbon campaign | "Laws do not persuade just because
> X against HTML mail | they threaten."
> / \ and postings | Lucius Annaeus Seneca, c. 4BC - 65AD.

[Ext User(Ron)]

Bernd Felsche <bernie@innovative.iinet.net.au> wrote in news:5ci3i3xr7k.ln2
@innovative.iinet.net.au:

> Austria is to trial a 160 km/h speed on it's A10 motorway.
>
> It's part of providing flexibile speed limits which adjust to speeds
> between 80 and 160 km/h, depending on conditions.
>
> Loosely translated from http://www.tempo160.at/
>
> ------------------
> Vision and Goal
>
> The 130 km/h speed limit was introduced in the early 70's.
> Regardless of the rather minimal road construction and wanting
> safety features of cars; the limit was fixed and applied regardless
> of weather and traffic conditions.
>
> ...
>
> ------------------
>
> Motoring clubs as well as individuals as governments do not agree on
> either the means nor the "vision". Opinions range from cynic to
> worshipper.

Is this a way of reducing the population?
Given it's a cold snowy/icy place....
Wonder what the death rate by motor vehicle is, over there?

Ron
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[Ext User(OzOne)]

On 26 Apr 2006 07:24:25 GMT, Ron <X101@newsguy.com> scribbled thusly:

>Is this a way of reducing the population?
>Given it's a cold snowy/icy place....
>Wonder what the death rate by motor vehicle is, over there?
>
>Ron

Jesus Ron, they're not all idiots like you!


Oz1...of the 3 twins.

I welcome you to crackerbox palace,We've been expecting you.

[Ext User(Rod)]

In article <5ci3i3xr7k.ln2@innovative.iinet.net.au>,
bernie@innovative.iinet.net.au says...

> Austria is to trial a 160 km/h speed on it's A10 motorway.

Damnit, I quickly glanced and saw it as Australia. I was
wondering where I put my keys. :/

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Rod.

[Ext User(Bernd Felsche)]

"David Z" <dave@hotmail.com> writes:
>"Bernd Felsche" <bernie@innovative.iinet.net.au> wrote:

>> Austria is to trial a 160 km/h speed on it's A10 motorway.

Damned... speling misteak's.

>> It's part of providing flexibile speed limits which adjust to speeds
>> between 80 and 160 km/h, depending on conditions.

[snip]

>I first misread that as Australia... thanks alot!

Unintended bonus. :-)

More seriously, flexibile speed limits will IMHO tend to promote
speed-limit conditioning. And that has serious negative
consequences.
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[Ext User(Dan---)]

"Bernd Felsche" <bernie@innovative.iinet.net.au> wrote in message
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> Austria is to trial a 160 km/h speed on it's A10 motorway.

Your a bloody tease Bernd!

:-)

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Dan

[Ext User(D Walford)]

Ron wrote:
> Bernd Felsche <bernie@innovative.iinet.net.au> wrote in news:5ci3i3xr7k.ln2
> @innovative.iinet.net.au:
>
>
>>Austria is to trial a 160 km/h speed on it's A10 motorway.
>>
>>It's part of providing flexibile speed limits which adjust to speeds
>>between 80 and 160 km/h, depending on conditions.
>>
>>Loosely translated from http://www.tempo160.at/
>>
>>------------------
>>Vision and Goal
>>
>>The 130 km/h speed limit was introduced in the early 70's.
>>Regardless of the rather minimal road construction and wanting
>>safety features of cars; the limit was fixed and applied regardless
>>of weather and traffic conditions.
>>
>>...
>>
>>------------------
>>
>>Motoring clubs as well as individuals as governments do not agree on
>>either the means nor the "vision". Opinions range from cynic to
>>worshipper.
>
>
> Is this a way of reducing the population?
> Given it's a cold snowy/icy place....
> Wonder what the death rate by motor vehicle is, over there?
>

Probably less than here, European drivers are encouraged to think which
is of course illegal here.


Daryl

[Ext User(Bernd Felsche)]

Ron <X101@newsguy.com> writes:
>Bernd Felsche <bernie@innovative.iinet.net.au> wrote:

>> Austria is to trial a 160 km/h speed on it's A10 motorway.

>> It's part of providing flexibile speed limits which adjust to speeds
>> between 80 and 160 km/h, depending on conditions.

[snip]

>> Motoring clubs as well as individuals as governments do not agree on
>> either the means nor the "vision". Opinions range from cynic to
>> worshipper.

>Is this a way of reducing the population?
>Given it's a cold snowy/icy place....

Why don't you take a holiday there and cure your ignorance? :-)
I suggest in May/June in Carinthia (the trial region in pre-season).
That way you can still get into the mountains and find the ice/snow.
Meanwhile, you can go into the valleys and plains where the natives
frequently disrobe due to the extreme heat.

http://www.kaernten.at/english

>Wonder what the death rate by motor vehicle is, over there?

Typically around 1. Could be greater if there are more people in
the car when it crashes. That's no worse than in Australia.

The figures are on the site cited. http://www.tempo160.at/

Their road casualties are dominated by crashes on non-motorway
roads.
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[Ext User(Uncle Bully)]

"Ron" <X101@newsguy.com> wrote in message
news:Xns97B1B21058920mcgricenewsguycom@129.250.170 .81...
> Bernd Felsche <bernie@innovative.iinet.net.au> wrote in
> news:5ci3i3xr7k.ln2
> @innovative.iinet.net.au:
>
>> Austria is to trial a 160 km/h speed on it's A10 motorway.
>>
>> It's part of providing flexibile speed limits which adjust to speeds
>> between 80 and 160 km/h, depending on conditions.
>>
>> Loosely translated from http://www.tempo160.at/
>>
>> ------------------
>> Vision and Goal
>>
>> The 130 km/h speed limit was introduced in the early 70's.
>> Regardless of the rather minimal road construction and wanting
>> safety features of cars; the limit was fixed and applied regardless
>> of weather and traffic conditions.
>>
>> ...
>>
>> ------------------
>>
>> Motoring clubs as well as individuals as governments do not agree on
>> either the means nor the "vision". Opinions range from cynic to
>> worshipper.
>
> Is this a way of reducing the population?
> Given it's a cold snowy/icy place....

You mean like Germany? Where they have Autobahns? With unrestricted limits?

> Wonder what the death rate by motor vehicle is, over there?

Slightly higher than ours.

[Ext User(Bernd Felsche)]

"Uncle Bully" <wakeupcall@optushome.com.au.REMOVE> writes:
>"Ron" <X101@newsguy.com> wrote:
>> Bernd Felsche <bernie@innovative.iinet.net.au> wrote in

>>> Austria is to trial a 160 km/h speed on it's A10 motorway.
>>>
>>> It's part of providing flexibile speed limits which adjust to speeds
>>> between 80 and 160 km/h, depending on conditions.

>> Is this a way of reducing the population?
>> Given it's a cold snowy/icy place....

>You mean like Germany? Where they have Autobahns? With unrestricted limits?

>> Wonder what the death rate by motor vehicle is, over there?

>Slightly higher than ours.

With 3 times the traffic density. 42 V/km (AT) vs 16 V/km (AU)

Germany has even higher traffic density: 85 vehicles/km public road
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[Ext User(Ron)]

D Walford <walford@iprimus.com.au> wrote in
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03.brisbane.pipenetworks.
com.au:

> Ron wrote:
>> Bernd Felsche <bernie@innovative.iinet.net.au> wrote in
>> news:5ci3i3xr7k.ln2 @innovative.iinet.net.au:
>>
>>
>>>Austria is to trial a 160 km/h speed on it's A10 motorway.
>>>
>>>It's part of providing flexibile speed limits which adjust to speeds
>>>between 80 and 160 km/h, depending on conditions.
>>>
>>>Loosely translated from http://www.tempo160.at/
>>>
>>>------------------
>>>Vision and Goal
>>>
>>>The 130 km/h speed limit was introduced in the early 70's.
>>>Regardless of the rather minimal road construction and wanting
>>>safety features of cars; the limit was fixed and applied regardless
>>>of weather and traffic conditions.
>>>
>>>...
>>>
>>>------------------
>>>
>>>Motoring clubs as well as individuals as governments do not agree on
>>>either the means nor the "vision". Opinions range from cynic to
>>>worshipper.
>>
>>
>> Is this a way of reducing the population?
>> Given it's a cold snowy/icy place....
>> Wonder what the death rate by motor vehicle is, over there?
>>
>
> Probably less than here, European drivers are encouraged to think
> which is of course illegal here.
>
>
> Daryl
>

LOL :-)
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[Ext User(Shane)]

"D Walford" <walford@iprimus.com.au> wrote in message
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> Ron wrote:
>> Bernd Felsche <bernie@innovative.iinet.net.au> wrote in
>> news:5ci3i3xr7k.ln2
<snip>

>> Is this a way of reducing the population?
>> Given it's a cold snowy/icy place....
>> Wonder what the death rate by motor vehicle is, over there?
>>
>
> Probably less than here, European drivers are encouraged to think which is
> of course illegal here.


http://www.tsc.berkeley.edu/html/newsletter/Winter04/australia.html


http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2005/02/10/1107890338407.html

"ATSB figures for Australia in 2004 show the downward trend continuing.

Some 1,596 people were killed in 2004 - 25 fewer than in 2003.

But the number of young people killed actually rose last year from 385 to
392."



That should tell you something..........young drivers = excessive
speed/experience.



http://www.monash.edu.au/muarc/reports/papers/fatals.html

Shows that we are pretty well identicle in rates to Germany per vehicle and
population.



http://www.bast.de/htdocs/fachthemen/irtad/english/we2.html

2003 data indicates that Australia is even better than Germany, Austria and
Belgium per kms travelled. Which part of Europe are you guys referring to
when you say we're worse off here? Current trends indicate that Australia is
one of the best performed countries in the OECD according to just about
everything you read on the net.



http://www.atsb.gov.au/publications/2006/pdf/rda_ss_2005.pdf

Apart from a slight rise from 2004 to 2005 which can be attributed to a
larger than normal increase in motorcyclist deaths (up 14% probably due to
fuel prices/increased usage), we're not going too bad on a world scale. So
when you guys suggest that we're doing things so wrong compared to Europe,
which part are you talking about exactly?

The trend from 2000 to 2005 has been a 2.1% decrease in deaths. Apart from
WA which has the largest decrease, NSW and Victoria were the very next best.
The classification of deaths goes something like....passengers = decrease,
drivers = decrease, pedestrians = decrease MOTORCYCLIST = INCREASE. So all
the doomsayers who said the 50k limits would result in more pedestrians
killed were clearly wrong.



Shane

[Ext User(Bernd Felsche)]

"Shane" <shane062@internode.on.net> writes:
>"D Walford" <walford@iprimus.com.au> wrote:
>> Ron wrote:
>>> Bernd Felsche <bernie@innovative.iinet.net.au> wrote in

>>> Is this a way of reducing the population?
>>> Given it's a cold snowy/icy place....
>>> Wonder what the death rate by motor vehicle is, over there?

>> Probably less than here, European drivers are encouraged to think
>> which is of course illegal here.

>http://www.tsc.berkeley.edu/html/newsletter/Winter04/australia.html

Much of the reduction in road trauma has been due to the
introduction of rudimentary safety devices such as seat belts and
their mandatory use.

>http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2005/02/10/1107890338407.html

>"ATSB figures for Australia in 2004 show the downward trend continuing.

>Some 1,596 people were killed in 2004 - 25 fewer than in 2003.

>But the number of young people killed actually rose last year from 385 to
>392."

>That should tell you something..........young drivers = excessive
>speed/experience.

Young drivers means generally means inadequate training and
inappropriate attitude. Excessive speed is a reflection of an
inappropriate attitude. The tendency to drive when fatigued
(lifestyle/physiology) compounds with inexperience even when the
individuals have otherwise appropriate attitudes.

>http://www.monash.edu.au/muarc/reports/papers/fatals.html

MUARC are a bunch of headline-hunting clowns. Respectable scientists
have running away from that establishment to preotect their
reputation. MUARC is driven by politics and ideology. Almost nothing
that MUARC does stands up to independent scrutiny.

>Shows that we are pretty well identicle in rates to Germany per
>vehicle and population.

>http://www.bast.de/htdocs/fachthemen/irtad/english/we2.html

Traffic density in Germany is 5 times greater than in Australia.

>2003 data indicates that Australia is even better than Germany,
>Austria and Belgium per kms travelled. Which part of Europe are you
>guys referring to when you say we're worse off here? Current trends
>indicate that Australia is one of the best performed countries in
>the OECD according to just about everything you read on the net.

Not when you look at the "performance" over the past decade.
Improvements have stagnated. The rate of improvement is less than
that of several OECD countries.

Traffic density in Austria is 3 times that of Australia.

>http://www.atsb.gov.au/publications/2006/pdf/rda_ss_2005.pdf

THe "rates" that they rare reporting is misleading. You don't catch
a road death by sitting on the toilet. The rate should be
represented relative to the amount of exposure to the risk. A
traditional approximation is that based on vehicle kilometres. It's
not perfect, but a damned sight closer than counting sitting on the
toilet as being exposed to road risk.

>Apart from a slight rise from 2004 to 2005 which can be attributed to a
>larger than normal increase in motorcyclist deaths (up 14% probably
>due to fuel prices/increased usage), we're not going too bad on a
>world scale. So when you guys suggest that we're doing things so
>wrong compared to Europe, which part are you talking about exactly?

AusRAP hasn't been embraced at all by State governments because it
means prophylactic expenditure on roads.

http://www.ausrap.org/ausrap/

It's not surprising; EuroRAP upon which it's based has some
short-comings so all of Europe isn't exactly rushing to rate their
roads. Germany's BASt believes that they have a better system and
have been using it for a long time on the national roads networks.
That is not to say that AusRAP is worthless; it's a good start to
identifying two main issues; the crash-friendliness of significant
roads and the actual risk of crashing.

Safer and more motorways do provide significant road safety
benefits. Despite Germany's derestricted Autobahn, the fatality
rate on those roads is admirable; 3.0 per bVkm. Overall rate for all
roads is 7.7 per bVkm. i.e. the risk of driving on the Autobahn is
(much) less than half the national average.

http://www.bast.de/htdocs/aktuelles/presse/2005/unfallprognose_2005.pdf

Don't be put off by the German language. See the graphs on the
final pages for trends and some numbers. Notice that their young
driver fatalities are falling significantly.

The speed limit is in itself demonstrably irrelevant.

But it's not just motorways. Other highways and roads often require
serious treatment.

http://www.verkehrstechnisches-institut.de/downloads/ChancenNutzen.pdf

Also in German, but you can see some of the treatments in the
pictures, before and after. It's such treatments of the highways
that has contributed to a 10% reduction in non-Autobahn highway
fatalities over the past year, with an annual reduction trend of
about 7%. Those were/are still the roads with the largest number of
fatalities so measures that actually work will be most-significant
in the overall results.
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