Why is my steering lighter

[Ext User(Michael C)]

after getting new tyres? Shouldn't the better grip equate to making it more
difficult to steer?

[Ext User(Dan---)]

"Michael C" <nospam@nospam.com> wrote in message
news:4452ae22$0$7600$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au ...
> after getting new tyres? Shouldn't the better grip equate to making it
> more difficult to steer?

Low rolling resistance tires ?

--
Regards
Dan

[Ext User(Knobdoodle)]

"Michael C" <nospam@nospam.com> wrote in message
news:4452ae22$0$7600$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au ...
> after getting new tyres? Shouldn't the better grip equate to making it
> more difficult to steer?
You haven't got better grip yet. Wait for them to bed in.
--
Knob

[Ext User(Michael C)]

"Knobdoodle" <knobdoodle@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:Z8z4g.18355$vy1.13067@news-
> You haven't got better grip yet. Wait for them to bed in.

I'd be suprised if they were worse than the previous tyres. They came on the
car when I bought it and the previous owner had the car in storage for a
couple of years so they went pretty hard. The grip they had was pretty poor,
especially in the wet.

Michael

[Ext User(Crash Lander)]

Higher pressure in the new tyres?
Crash Lander

"Michael C" <nospam@nospam.com> wrote in message
news:4452ae22$0$7600$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au ...
> after getting new tyres? Shouldn't the better grip equate to making it
> more difficult to steer?
>

[Ext User(OzOne)]

On Sat, 29 Apr 2006 10:07:28 +1000, "Michael C" <nospam@nospam.com>
scribbled thusly:

>after getting new tyres? Shouldn't the better grip equate to making it more
>difficult to steer?
>
Deeper tread is squirming when you turn the wheel...makes it feel
lighter.


Oz1...of the 3 twins.

I welcome you to crackerbox palace,We've been expecting you.

[Ext User(eeviil inc.)]

Michael C wrote:
> after getting new tyres? Shouldn't the better grip equate to making it more
> difficult to steer?
>
>
Did you only get new tyres or was a wheel alignment done?

Adam

[Ext User(D Walford)]

Michael C wrote:
> after getting new tyres? Shouldn't the better grip equate to making it more
> difficult to steer?
>
>
Completely normal.
Old tyres often have more grip on a dry road than new ones.


Daryl

[Ext User(John_H)]

Michael C wrote:

>after getting new tyres? Shouldn't the better grip equate to making it more
>difficult to steer?

It's got next to SFA to do with grip.

It's mainly a steering geometry (wheel alignment) issue -- where the
steering axis intersects the contact patch being the most important
factor. The size of the contact patch being the other one.

Consequently you can have light cars that are bloody heavy to steer
and heavy trucks that aren't -- irrespective of steering gear ratios.

Having said that... new tyres frequently result in lighter steering,
presumably because the contact patch takes a while to establish itself
precisely.

--
John H

[Ext User(Noddy)]

<OzOne> wrote in message news:nmi552drni5as2j33v396rij09rrrj1r4t@4ax.com...

> Deeper tread is squirming when you turn the wheel...makes it feel
> lighter.

Exactly what I was going to say, possibly combined with a bit of extra
pressure.

--
Regards,
Noddy.

[Ext User(Fraser Johnston)]

"Crash Lander" <here@there.com.au> wrote in message
news:e2uflv$fcj$1@news-01.bur.connect.com.au...
> Higher pressure in the new tyres?

That would be my guess.

Fraser

[Ext User(Jason James)]

"John_H" <john4271@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:tnn5525l25vchujj9vg6lbaahdjvmq4mcq@4ax.com...
> Michael C wrote:
>
> >after getting new tyres? Shouldn't the better grip equate to making it
more
> >difficult to steer?
>
> It's got next to SFA to do with grip.
>
> It's mainly a steering geometry (wheel alignment) issue -- where the
> steering axis intersects the contact patch being the most important
> factor. The size of the contact patch being the other one.
>
> Consequently you can have light cars that are bloody heavy to steer
> and heavy trucks that aren't -- irrespective of steering gear ratios.
>
> Having said that... new tyres frequently result in lighter steering,
> presumably because the contact patch takes a while to establish itself
> precisely.

I used to do my own alignment on the Valiants I owned,..take off some castor
equaly till steering lightened up for easy parking, check steering wheel
recentreing after cornering was equal both sides. Toe was easy,..adjust
inwards till front starts to rise on a flat road, wind off till effect
stopped plus a smidge more, camber adjust visually and by noting sidewall
bulge. Finally check for correct tracking on highway (no run to kerb or
wanders) if pulling to left, reduce castor driver's side slightly.
The Vals used two upper-arm, inner cam-bolts. Made wheel aligning easy when
you had full adjustment.

Jason

[Ext User(Jason James)]

"Michael C" <nospam@nospam.com> wrote in message
news:4452ae22$0$7600$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au ...
> after getting new tyres? Shouldn't the better grip equate to making it
more
> difficult to steer?

Only lasts for a short time. Mainly due to reduced footprint with road until
the tread-blocks wear-in. The nice new pliable rubber treadblocks help too,
until they start to wear or harden with age.

Jason

[Ext User(Scotty)]

"Michael C" <nospam@nospam.com> wrote in message
news:4452ae22$0$7600$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au ...
> after getting new tyres? Shouldn't the better grip equate to making it
> more difficult to steer?
>

Did you have a wheel alignment at the same time your tyres where replaced?
New tyres will usually feel better until they have settled in. Maybe the
tyres you had were underinflated or a very square tyre. Many things will
cause a different feel.

[Ext User(Scotty)]

"John_H" <john4271@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:tnn5525l25vchujj9vg6lbaahdjvmq4mcq@4ax.com...
> Michael C wrote:
>
>>after getting new tyres? Shouldn't the better grip equate to making it
>>more
>>difficult to steer?
>
> It's got next to SFA to do with grip.
>
> It's mainly a steering geometry (wheel alignment) issue -- where the
> steering axis intersects the contact patch being the most important
> factor. The size of the contact patch being the other one.
>
> Consequently you can have light cars that are bloody heavy to steer
> and heavy trucks that aren't -- irrespective of steering gear ratios.
>
> Having said that... new tyres frequently result in lighter steering,
> presumably because the contact patch takes a while to establish itself
> precisely.
>
> --
> John H

I had a wheel alignment done and it was spot on. Drove it for a week or so
and tried a mates wheel tyre combo (when I was younger with spare time to
shag around with jacks wheel braces etc, cant be bothered these days thats
for sure) and his rim offset was slightly different giving me a wider track,
boy did the stering lighten up big time over what I had on there. He had
much wider tyres as well. Whats the reason for that? Increased torque
available in steering system with wider track?

[Ext User(Michael C)]

"Scotty" <scoter1@warmmail.com> wrote in message
news:4452fd6a$0$7603$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au ...
> Did you have a wheel alignment at the same time your tyres where replaced?
> New tyres will usually feel better until they have settled in. Maybe the
> tyres you had were underinflated or a very square tyre. Many things will
> cause a different feel.

I did have an alignment, I forgot to mention that. The old tyres were
inflated ok but where pretty hard and in pretty poor condition. The grip
they had in the dry wasn't too good but absolutely shocking in the wet. I
posted about a year ago how I got dragged off by a combi van in the wet, not
good in a turbo rx7. :-)

Michael

[Ext User(Bernd Felsche)]

"Scotty" <scoter1@warmmail.com> writes:
>"John_H" <john4271@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> Michael C wrote:

>>>after getting new tyres? Shouldn't the better grip equate to
>>>making it more difficult to steer?

>> It's got next to SFA to do with grip.

>> It's mainly a steering geometry (wheel alignment) issue -- where the
>> steering axis intersects the contact patch being the most important
>> factor. The size of the contact patch being the other one.

>> Consequently you can have light cars that are bloody heavy to steer
>> and heavy trucks that aren't -- irrespective of steering gear ratios.

>> Having said that... new tyres frequently result in lighter steering,
>> presumably because the contact patch takes a while to establish itself
>> precisely.

>I had a wheel alignment done and it was spot on. Drove it for a
>week or so and tried a mates wheel tyre combo (when I was younger
>with spare time to shag around with jacks wheel braces etc, cant be
>bothered these days thats for sure) and his rim offset was slightly
>different giving me a wider track, boy did the stering lighten up
>big time over what I had on there. He had much wider tyres as well.
>Whats the reason for that? Increased torque available in steering
>system with wider track?

Clearance inside the wheel well and back to the steering &
suspension components when approaching lock.
--
/"\ Bernd Felsche - Innovative Reckoning, Perth, Western Australia
\ / ASCII ribbon campaign | "Laws do not persuade just because
X against HTML mail | they threaten."
/ \ and postings | Lucius Annaeus Seneca, c. 4BC - 65AD.

[Ext User(tipsy@beerlover.com)]

On Sat, 29 Apr 2006 10:07:28 +1000, "Michael C" <nospam@nospam.com> wrote:

> after getting new tyres? Shouldn't the better grip equate to making it more
> difficult to steer?

They filled your boot with concrete.

[Ext User(OzOne)]

On Sat, 29 Apr 2006 16:38:13 +1000, "Michael C" <nospam@nospam.com>
scribbled thusly:

>I did have an alignment, I forgot to mention that.

I don't want to be rude...but I'm going to anyway.

Why the fuck did you even ask the question?
Jesus, what a fucking moron!


Oz1...of the 3 twins.

I welcome you to crackerbox palace,We've been expecting you.

[Ext User(Michael C)]

<OzOne> wrote in message news:1u2652deq4njrhhrgnvomgubk5o74djj8c@4ax.com...
> I don't want to be rude...but I'm going to anyway.
>
> Why the fuck did you even ask the question?

The reason I asked the question was I was pretty sure this was at least
partially due to new tyres but didn't know why.

> Jesus, what a fucking moron!

I'm not the one who drives a magna.

Michael