DO NOT DEAL WITH EBAY USER 'djfrayne' - HE IS A FRAUD AND A LIER

[Ext User(Noddy)]

"Michael" <michael@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> Not as easy as that

Of course it is.

Try it sometime before you comment.

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Regards,
Noddy.

[Ext User(Kwyjibo.)]

"Michael" <michael@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> No, the person who bought the person is the person sending the goods,
> ie. the sender

???
Is Australia Post now being used for the purpose of people smuggling?


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Kwyj

[Ext User(Michael)]

"Dyna Soar" <dynasoarREMOVE.THIS@ozdebate.com> wrote in message
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> Michael wrote:
> >>>>>> $30 to 'Express-Post' a mobile phone from Brisbane
> >>>>>> to Sydney, then not delivering any product for weeks
> >>>>>> with no explanation or offer of a refund? Sounds like
> >>>>>> a scam. He will not provide tracking numbers either.
>
> >>>>> You aint entitled to a tracking number
>
> >> Wrong, as always.
>
> >>>> Bullshit! If you pay, you are entitled to trace via tracking
> >>>> number.
>
> >>> Nope. The tracking number belongs to
> >>> the person that BOUGHT the parcel,
>
> >> Which is usually the one receiving it, stupid.
>
> > No, the person who bought the person is the person sending the goods,
> > ie. the sender
>
> Is English not your first language?

Mines fine, Rod seems to think the receiver of the parcel is the one that
bought the express post envelope/parcel.

>
> --
> Dyna
>
> All Rights Reserved. All Wrongs Avenged.
>
>

[Ext User(Rod Speed)]

Michael <michael@yahoo.com> wrote:
> "Dyna Soar" <dynasoarREMOVE.THIS@ozdebate.com> wrote in message
> news:4bottkF11qiv8U1@individual.net...
>> Michael wrote:
>>>>>>>> $30 to 'Express-Post' a mobile phone from Brisbane
>>>>>>>> to Sydney, then not delivering any product for weeks
>>>>>>>> with no explanation or offer of a refund? Sounds like
>>>>>>>> a scam. He will not provide tracking numbers either.
>>
>>>>>>> You aint entitled to a tracking number
>>
>>>> Wrong, as always.
>>
>>>>>> Bullshit! If you pay, you are entitled to trace via tracking
>>>>>> number.
>>
>>>>> Nope. The tracking number belongs to
>>>>> the person that BOUGHT the parcel,
>>
>>>> Which is usually the one receiving it, stupid.
>>
>>> No, the person who bought the person is the person sending the
>>> goods, ie. the sender
>>
>> Is English not your first language?

> Mines fine,

No it isnt. Read it again when you arent completely pissed.

> Rod seems to think the receiver of the parcel is the
> one that bought the express post envelope/parcel.

They're the one that paid for it, you stupid dunny cleaning fuckwit child.

[Ext User(Rod Speed)]

Michael <michael@yahoo.com> wrote

>>>>>> $30 to 'Express-Post' a mobile phone from Brisbane
>>>>>> to Sydney, then not delivering any product for weeks
>>>>>> with no explanation or offer of a refund? Sounds like
>>>>>> a scam. He will not provide tracking numbers either.

>>>>> You aint entitled to a tracking number

>> Wrong, as always.

>>>> Bullshit! If you pay, you are entitled to trace via tracking number.

>>> Nope. The tracking number belongs to
>>> the person that BOUGHT the parcel,

>> Which is usually the one receiving it, stupid.

> No,

Yep.

> the person who bought the person is the
> person sending the goods, ie. the sender

Pity about who paid for it, you stupid dunny cleaning fuckwit.

[Ext User(Ben Thomas)]

Michael wrote:

>
>>Do you have any direct experience with this, or are you just jealous of
>>successful business people?
>>
>>
>
>He is right, you are wrong
>
>
>
You are a genius.

--
Ben Thomas, Melbourne, Australia

"Red Bull tastes like canned carbonated concentrated evil."

[Ext User(Dyna Soar)]

Michael wrote:
> "Dyna Soar" wrote

>>>>>>> You aint entitled to a tracking number

>>>> Wrong, as always.

>>>>>> Bullshit! If you pay, you are entitled to trace via tracking
>>>>>> number.

>>>>> Nope. The tracking number belongs to
>>>>> the person that BOUGHT the parcel,

>>>> Which is usually the one receiving it, stupid.

>>> No, the person who bought the person is the person sending the
>>> goods, ie. the sender

>> Is English not your first language?

> Mines fine,

No it's not! What does this sentence mean? "No, the person who bought the
person is the person sending the goods, ie. the sender"

> Rod seems to think the receiver of the parcel is the one
> that bought the express post envelope/parcel.

Considering the addressee paid for it, I'd say that was a fair assumption.

--
Dyna

All Rights Reserved. All Wrongs Avenged.

[Ext User(George W. Frost)]

"Michael" <michael@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> > >>>> $30 to 'Express-Post' a mobile phone from Brisbane
> > >>>> to Sydney, then not delivering any product for weeks
> > >>>> with no explanation or offer of a refund? Sounds like
> > >>>> a scam. He will not provide tracking numbers either.
> >
> > >>> You aint entitled to a tracking number
> >
> > Wrong, as always.
> >
> > >> Bullshit! If you pay, you are entitled to trace via tracking number.
> >
> > > Nope. The tracking number belongs to
> > > the person that BOUGHT the parcel,
> >
> > Which is usually the one receiving it, stupid.
>
> No, the person who bought the person is the person sending the goods, ie.
> the sender
>

''The person who bought the person''
What are you talking about.
I was taught at school that the sender is the seller and the receiver is the
buyer.

[Ext User(Michael)]

"Ben Thomas" <nosp@m.thanks.mate> wrote in message
news:iptki3-gso.ln1@teri.unico.com.au...
> Michael wrote:
>
> >
> >>Do you have any direct experience with this, or are you just jealous of
> >>successful business people?
> >>
> >>
> >
> >He is right, you are wrong
> >
> >
> >
> You are a genius.

Thanks buddy

>
> --
> Ben Thomas, Melbourne, Australia
>
> "Red Bull tastes like canned carbonated concentrated evil."

Sure you aint on a sugar high?

[Ext User(Kralizec Craig)]

"Michael" <michael@yahoo.com> writes:


>"Sally Samantha Lodden" <sallysl@jedi.apana.org.au> wrote in message
>news:Pine.GSO.4.63.0604300746380.14702@jedi.apana. org.au...
>>
>> Ebay user 'djfrayne' (real name apparently Daniel Frayne) based apparently
>> in Brisbane is a fraudster. He lies about the condition, source and
>> availability of items he lists for sale, and rips people off by asking
>> very high amounts for 'Express Post' delivery (which means 1 business day
>> after payment is received) for items which are supposed to be originating
>> from his registered location of Brisbane.

>You accept the terms of the postage if you bid.

True. I've had experiences like that too when I've bid on some car parts,
etc. and not realised how much is going to be asked for shipping without
checking first that the seller only ships using Fedex, etc. It's a trap for
new players in the Ebaying arena.

>> $30 to 'Express-Post' a mobile phone from Brisbane to Sydney, then not
>> delivering any product for weeks with no explanation or offer of a refund?
>> Sounds like a scam. He will not provide tracking numbers either.

>You aint entitled to a tracking number

Actually if the seller specifies Express Post, the seller is obligated to
supply the tracking number when requested. But you're right that the seller
doesn't have to provide it by default, but when something doesn't arrive in
a couple of days after payment as the seller has asked you to to pay for a
domestic shipping service called Express Post, that means Express Post as
offered by Australia Post which is a trackable service.

Craig.


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Main site: www.sunrk.com.au - Ebay Shop: www.ebayshops.com.au/sunripenedkernels
Ph: 02-9520-2547 (int. +612) - Fax: gone - Mobile: 04-2163-0547 (int. +614)

[Ext User(Kralizec Craig)]

GB <gb0506@kickindanuts.threefiddy.com> writes:

>"Michael" <michael@yahoo.com> wrote in
>news:Lp%4g.19556$vy1.14569@news-server.bigpond.net.au:
>> You accept the terms of the postage if you bid.

> No no! The correct time to negotiate the finer points
>of the legal agreement is *after* you have carefully read
>the terms and conditions of sale and indicated your
>acceptance by bidding.

I wonder what Ebay's legal people think about that? Winning a listing on
Ebay is a legally-binding contract of sale, so you are bound to whatever
terms the seller sets and if you don't agree, you don't bid. But if you do
bid, you agree by inference to all the terms set by the seller. Of course
that doesn't mean you can't nicely ask about things after the sale such as
different shipping methods, but if the seller won't budge, you don't really
have a case if you willingly bid and won the listing.

>> You aint entitled to a tracking number

> In the same way that the practice of offering no-questions-
>asked refunds by a few large retailers automatically makes
>it *law* that every retailer must do the same, the fact
>that a couple of courier companies offer tracking numbers
>makes it an undeniable fact that all shippers must provide
>a shipping number and provide a full web-based tracking
>service.

I don't see Australia Post offering a web-based tracking service for regular
postal articles. And they fit in the 'all shippers' category. 8-)

Craig.
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SUN RIPENED KERNELS - Surplus Sun Microsystems Equipment, Parts + Accessories
Waterfall, NSW, Australia - Operated by Craig Dewick - Founded in 1996
Main site: www.sunrk.com.au - Ebay Shop: www.ebayshops.com.au/sunripenedkernels
Ph: 02-9520-2547 (int. +612) - Fax: gone - Mobile: 04-2163-0547 (int. +614)

[Ext User(Kralizec Craig)]

Dogfart <flatulantdingo@deadspam.com> writes:

>On Sun, 30 Apr 2006, at 07:58:18 [GMT +1000] (07:58:18 Sunday, 30 April 2006
>where I live) "Sally Samantha Lodden" wrote:

>> Ebay user 'djfrayne' (real name apparently Daniel Frayne) based apparently
>> in Brisbane is a fraudster. He lies about the condition, source and
>> availability of items he lists for sale, and rips people off by asking
>> very high amounts for 'Express Post' delivery (which means 1 business day
>> after payment is received) for items which are supposed to be originating
>> from his registered location of Brisbane.

>Another one to watch out for is Daniel Juhn in Sydney. Was selling black
>listed phones, and changes e-bay id to suit himself. Fraudster.

>Wonder if any connection?

Could be. I've had a look at that djfrayne guy's feedback and he's got a lot
of negs. Since his nominated PayPal account isn't in his name, that's a good
indication he's running a scam of some sort which a lot of people are taking
as legit. Problem is he's got a lot of positives too so he much be just on
the edge of gray-marketting so most of the stuff he sells is good but he's
passing off a bunch of it as good when it's not. The biggest problems I see
is the guy wants to sell things that don't match the description in the
listings, and that ludicrous cost for Express Post shipping - any bet that's
used to buy in a phone from Hong Kong or some other suspect cellphone
market.

Time will tell I guess.

Craig.

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Waterfall, NSW, Australia - Operated by Craig Dewick - Founded in 1996
Main site: www.sunrk.com.au - Ebay Shop: www.ebayshops.com.au/sunripenedkernels
Ph: 02-9520-2547 (int. +612) - Fax: gone - Mobile: 04-2163-0547 (int. +614)

[Ext User(Kralizec Craig)]

"Michael" <michael@yahoo.com> writes:


>"Dogfart" <flatulantdingo@deadspam.com> wrote in message
>news:5673345895$20060430195123@dontbotherspamming. com...
>> On Sun, 30 Apr 2006, at 09:27:07 [GMT GMT] (19:27:07 Sunday, 30 April 2006
>> where I live) "Michael" wrote:
>>
>> >> $30 to 'Express-Post' a mobile phone from Brisbane to Sydney, then not
>> >> delivering any product for weeks with no explanation or offer of a
>refund?
>> >> Sounds like a scam. He will not provide tracking numbers either.
>>
>> > You aint entitled to a tracking number
>>
>> Bullshit! If you pay, you are entitled to trace via tracking number.

>Nope. The tracking number belongs to the person that BOUGHT the parcel, not
>the person receiving it.

Actually that's not true because the tracking label forms part of the
Express Post delivery guarantee which Australia Post offers to the seller
when opting to use that service. So the receiver needs that number in order
to prove the delivery time when the seller goes to make a claim against the
delivery guarantee. If a package arrives with the tracking label missing
then a claim can't be made.

>Whether they choose to give that to the receiver is up to them

Yes, but a seller must provide any tracking number to the buyer on request
as part of the contract of sale. At least through Ebay. I don't know if any
fair trading laws actually specifically say that though, but just because
the law might not spell it out doesn't mean Ebay's rules don't apply.

Craig.
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Waterfall, NSW, Australia - Operated by Craig Dewick - Founded in 1996
Main site: www.sunrk.com.au - Ebay Shop: www.ebayshops.com.au/sunripenedkernels
Ph: 02-9520-2547 (int. +612) - Fax: gone - Mobile: 04-2163-0547 (int. +614)

[Ext User(Rod Speed)]

Kralizec Craig <cd@lios.apana.org.au> wrote
> GB <gb0506@kickindanuts.threefiddy.com> writes
>> Michael <michael@yahoo.com> wrote

>>> You accept the terms of the postage if you bid.

>> No no! The correct time to negotiate the finer points
>> of the legal agreement is *after* you have carefully read
>> the terms and conditions of sale and indicated your
>> acceptance by bidding.

> I wonder what Ebay's legal people think about that? Winning a listing
> on Ebay is a legally-binding contract of sale, so you are bound to
> whatever terms the seller sets and if you don't agree, you don't bid.

Its more complicated than that. Legally you have consumer
rights that apply regardless of what 'terms' the seller might set.

> But if you do bid, you agree by inference
> to all the terms set by the seller.

Wrong again. You cant contract away your basic consumer rights.

> Of course that doesn't mean you can't nicely ask
> about things after the sale such as different shipping
> methods, but if the seller won't budge, you don't
> really have a case if you willingly bid and won the listing.

Thanks for that completely superfluous proof that you dont
actualy have a clue about even the most basic consumer law.

[Ext User(Rod Speed)]

Kralizec Craig <cd@lios.apana.org.au> wrote
> Michael <michael@yahoo.com> writes
>> Sally Samantha Lodden <sallysl@jedi.apana.org.au> wrote

>>> Ebay user 'djfrayne' (real name apparently Daniel Frayne) based
>>> apparently in Brisbane is a fraudster. He lies about the condition,
>>> source and availability of items he lists for sale, and rips people
>>> off by asking very high amounts for 'Express Post' delivery (which
>>> means 1 business day after payment is received) for items which are
>>> supposed to be originating from his registered location of Brisbane.

>> You accept the terms of the postage if you bid.

> True.

Nope.

> I've had experiences like that too when I've bid on some car
> parts, etc. and not realised how much is going to be asked for
> shipping without checking first that the seller only ships using
> Fedex, etc. It's a trap for new players in the Ebaying arena.

There's a difference between the TYPE of shipping that
will be used and grossly overcharging what it costs the
seller to ship using a particular shipping method.

You can certainly make a profit on the shipping, but if you are
grossly overcharging above what the shipping actually costs
you, you have to make it clear in advance what you will charge.

>>> $30 to 'Express-Post' a mobile phone from Brisbane to Sydney, then
>>> not delivering any product for weeks with no explanation or offer
>>> of a refund? Sounds like a scam. He will not provide tracking
>>> numbers either.

>> You aint entitled to a tracking number

> Actually if the seller specifies Express Post, the seller is
> obligated to supply the tracking number when requested.
> But you're right that the seller doesn't have to provide it
> by default, but when something doesn't arrive in a couple
> of days after payment as the seller has asked you to to
> pay for a domestic shipping service called Express Post,
> that means Express Post as offered by Australia Post
> which is a trackable service.

No it isnt, there is more than one form of that.

[Ext User(GB)]

Kralizec Craig <cd@lios.apana.org.au> wrote in
news:e3dukk$ich$4@yoda.apana.org.au:
> I wonder what Ebay's legal people think about that?

Gee, I dunno! Do y'think maybe I might have had my
tongue in my cheek when I wrote that?

GB
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entrails of the last priest." (Diderot, paraphrasing Meslier)