Sheedy can't coach to win games.

[Ext User(Nicky)]

I thank gF for making the following data available. He apparently
sourced it from: Footyfacts PC www.stats.com.au.
Let's assume it is correct. I think they are awesome figures. I am
a qualified and trained scientist. I know how to draw conclusions from
a set of statistical figures. I conclude that: Sheedy does not know how
to coach to win games. I better say it again slowly:
Sheedy does not know how to coach to win games.
I am sure there are many football-knowledgeable and brilliant people
out there. Sheedy, Sheehan, Wilson, senior members of AFL and
committee members footy clubs, please tell me if my deductions are
wrong. Would somebody please draw the attention of the Essendon Footy
Club to this posting.
I really think I should say it again:
Sheedy does not know how to coach to win games
I am not talking about how many games Essendon has won under him, not
about how many premierships, what I am saying is:
Sheedy does not know how to coach to win games



Data from 1981 since Sheedy is Coach
Losses Leading at Half Time
CA 48
CO 69
ES 53
FO 62
GE 71
HA 56
ME 51
NO 53
RI 58
ST 75
SY 65
Losses Leading At 3 Quarter Time
CA 33
CO 33
ES 37
FO 34
GE 41
HA 31
ME 37
NO 37
RI 36
ST 36
SY 40

Data Since 2002 (More recent all teams)
Losses Leading At Half Time
AD 13
BR 13
CA 9
CO 15
ES 10
FO 12
FR 7
GE 12
HA 11
ME 8
NO 10
PA 5
RI 11
ST 8
SY 11
WE 8
Losses Leading At 3 Quarter Time
AD 6
BR 7
CA 5
CO 7
ES 6
FO 9
FR 8
GE 8
HA 5
ME 8
NO 5
PA 4
RI 6
ST 8
SY 6
WE 2

[Ext User(Ron Burgundy)]

"Nicky" <krishm@netspace.net.au> wrote in
news:1146544307.988557.95840@i39g2000cwa.googlegro ups.com:

> I thank gF for making the following data available. He apparently
> sourced it from: Footyfacts PC www.stats.com.au.
> Let's assume it is correct. I think they are awesome figures. I am
> a qualified and trained scientist. I know how to draw conclusions
> from a set of statistical figures. I conclude that: Sheedy does not
> know how to coach to win games. I better say it again slowly:
> Sheedy does not know how to coach to win games.
> I am sure there are many football-knowledgeable and brilliant people
> out there. Sheedy, Sheehan, Wilson, senior members of AFL and
> committee members footy clubs, please tell me if my deductions are
> wrong. Would somebody please draw the attention of the Essendon Footy
> Club to this posting.
> I really think I should say it again:
> Sheedy does not know how to coach to win games
> I am not talking about how many games Essendon has won under him, not
> about how many premierships, what I am saying is:
> Sheedy does not know how to coach to win games
>
>
>
> Data from 1981 since Sheedy is Coach
> Losses Leading at Half Time
> CA 48
> CO 69
> ES 53
> FO 62
> GE 71
> HA 56
> ME 51
> NO 53
> RI 58
> ST 75
> SY 65
> Losses Leading At 3 Quarter Time
> CA 33
> CO 33
> ES 37
> FO 34
> GE 41
> HA 31
> ME 37
> NO 37
> RI 36
> ST 36
> SY 40
>
> Data Since 2002 (More recent all teams)
> Losses Leading At Half Time
> AD 13
> BR 13
> CA 9
> CO 15
> ES 10
> FO 12
> FR 7
> GE 12
> HA 11
> ME 8
> NO 10
> PA 5
> RI 11
> ST 8
> SY 11
> WE 8
> Losses Leading At 3 Quarter Time
> AD 6
> BR 7
> CA 5
> CO 7
> ES 6
> FO 9
> FR 8
> GE 8
> HA 5
> ME 8
> NO 5
> PA 4
> RI 6
> ST 8
> SY 6
> WE 2
>
>

As I said earlier, Geelong are the team in trouble...

--

I'm Ron Burgundy

You stay classy, San Diego.

[Ext User(Colin Kynoch)]

On 1 May 2006 21:31:48 -0700, "Nicky" <krishm@netspace.net.au> decided
that the world would be a better place for knowing the following:

>I thank gF for making the following data available.

The data is incomplete for the purpose you are needing it for. You
would need to know how many instances there were for each team leading
at half time and at 3/4 time to work out the percentages of instances
that resulted in losses.

>He apparently
>sourced it from: Footyfacts PC www.stats.com.au.

Fancy him sourcing it from his own website.


>Let's assume it is correct. I think they are awesome figures. I am
>a qualified and trained scientist. I know how to draw conclusions from
>a set of statistical figures.

If that were true you would also know that there is not sufficient
statistics from which to glean any meaningful conclusions.

You would need to know how many instances there were of each club
being in the lead at 1/2 and 3/4 time to work out whether or not there
were any anomaly, that shows that Sheedy has coached his club to a
higher than normal percentage of losses after leading at 1/2 or 3/4
time.

You do realise Nicky that water play at Kindergarten does not qualify
you as a scientist.

Your conclusions make a liar out of you.

Colin Kynoch

[Ext User(David J Richardson)]

In article <1146544307.988557.95840@i39g2000cwa.googlegroups.c om>,
"Nicky" <krishm@netspace.net.au> wrote:

> I thank gF for making the following data available. He apparently
> sourced it from: Footyfacts PC www.stats.com.au. Let's assume it is
> correct. I think they are awesome figures.

Which shot you down in flames.

> I am a qualified and trained scientist. I know how to draw
> conclusions from a set of statistical figures. I conclude that:
> Sheedy does not know how to coach to win games.

1) LOL

2) (sourced from discussions elsewhere at the moment) "With our loss to
Hawthorn, our record is now 10 losses from our last 44 games decided by
less than a goal since 1990.

Lost 4 out of 5 in finals.

Lost 6 out of 38 in H&A football.

The match on Sunday was Essendon's third H&A loss by less than a goal
in Victoria since 1991. We had one loss in 1991, then we waited 14
years to see another one live in round 2 last year, and now a third on
Sunday."

Sounds like a team who knows how to win games to me!!! Then again, I
imagine your next conclusion will be that without Sheedy we'd have won
44 out of 44.

(Amazing stat -- I know there's a few draws in there, but still --
wow.)

--
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http://davidj.richardson.name/ -- Dr Who articles/interviews/reviews
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[Ext User(Colin Kynoch)]

On Tue, 02 May 2006 21:49:28 +1000, David J Richardson
<davidj@richardson.name> decided that the world would be a better
place for knowing the following:

>In article <1146544307.988557.95840@i39g2000cwa.googlegroups.c om>,
> "Nicky" <krishm@netspace.net.au> wrote:
>
>> I thank gF for making the following data available. He apparently
>> sourced it from: Footyfacts PC www.stats.com.au. Let's assume it is
>> correct. I think they are awesome figures.
>
>Which shot you down in flames.
>
>> I am a qualified and trained scientist. I know how to draw
>> conclusions from a set of statistical figures. I conclude that:
>> Sheedy does not know how to coach to win games.
>
>1) LOL
>
>2) (sourced from discussions elsewhere at the moment) "With our loss to
>Hawthorn, our record is now 10 losses from our last 44 games decided by
>less than a goal since 1990.
>
>Lost 4 out of 5 in finals.
>
>Lost 6 out of 38 in H&A football.
>
>The match on Sunday was Essendon's third H&A loss by less than a goal
>in Victoria since 1991. We had one loss in 1991, then we waited 14
>years to see another one live in round 2 last year, and now a third on
>Sunday."
>
>Sounds like a team who knows how to win games to me!!! Then again, I
>imagine your next conclusion will be that without Sheedy we'd have won
>44 out of 44.

I doubt Nicky, can count past ten without removing a pair of moccasins

<snip>

Colin Kynoch

[Ext User(SG1)]

"Colin Kynoch" <colinkynoch@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:ldie5210fomhjhlq48nlllo9rfgf4a1phh@4ax.com...
> On Tue, 02 May 2006 21:49:28 +1000, David J Richardson
> <davidj@richardson.name> decided that the world would be a better
> place for knowing the following:
>
>>In article <1146544307.988557.95840@i39g2000cwa.googlegroups.c om>,
>> "Nicky" <krishm@netspace.net.au> wrote:
>>
>>> I thank gF for making the following data available. He apparently
>>> sourced it from: Footyfacts PC www.stats.com.au. Let's assume it is
>>> correct. I think they are awesome figures.
>>
>>Which shot you down in flames.
>>
>>> I am a qualified and trained scientist. I know how to draw
>>> conclusions from a set of statistical figures. I conclude that:
>>> Sheedy does not know how to coach to win games.
>>
>>1) LOL
>>
>>2) (sourced from discussions elsewhere at the moment) "With our loss to
>>Hawthorn, our record is now 10 losses from our last 44 games decided by
>>less than a goal since 1990.
>>
>>Lost 4 out of 5 in finals.
>>
>>Lost 6 out of 38 in H&A football.
>>
>>The match on Sunday was Essendon's third H&A loss by less than a goal
>>in Victoria since 1991. We had one loss in 1991, then we waited 14
>>years to see another one live in round 2 last year, and now a third on
>>Sunday."
>>
>>Sounds like a team who knows how to win games to me!!! Then again, I
>>imagine your next conclusion will be that without Sheedy we'd have won
>>44 out of 44.
>
> I doubt Nicky, can count past ten without removing a pair of moccasins
>
> <snip>
>
> Colin Kynoch

And we know how he gets to 21 !!!!!!!!!!!!

[Ext User(Norman)]

I agree there with you Nicky. I can't undestand all of those posts against
you as the proof is in the pudding. Look how awful they are this season.
Some say they may be good - but still can't finish the game off. Sheedy is a
smart operator, but his days of coaching have been over a long time ago.
He's in too much of a comfort zone and needs to get back to plumbing and
leave the footy coaching to someone who is competant.



"Nicky" <krishm@netspace.net.au> wrote in message
news:1146544307.988557.95840@i39g2000cwa.googlegro ups.com...
>I thank gF for making the following data available. He apparently
> sourced it from: Footyfacts PC www.stats.com.au.
> Let's assume it is correct. I think they are awesome figures. I am
> a qualified and trained scientist. I know how to draw conclusions from
> a set of statistical figures. I conclude that: Sheedy does not know how
> to coach to win games. I better say it again slowly:
> Sheedy does not know how to coach to win games.
> I am sure there are many football-knowledgeable and brilliant people
> out there. Sheedy, Sheehan, Wilson, senior members of AFL and
> committee members footy clubs, please tell me if my deductions are
> wrong. Would somebody please draw the attention of the Essendon Footy
> Club to this posting.
> I really think I should say it again:
> Sheedy does not know how to coach to win games
> I am not talking about how many games Essendon has won under him, not
> about how many premierships, what I am saying is:
> Sheedy does not know how to coach to win games
>
>
>
> Data from 1981 since Sheedy is Coach
> Losses Leading at Half Time
> CA 48
> CO 69
> ES 53
> FO 62
> GE 71
> HA 56
> ME 51
> NO 53
> RI 58
> ST 75
> SY 65
> Losses Leading At 3 Quarter Time
> CA 33
> CO 33
> ES 37
> FO 34
> GE 41
> HA 31
> ME 37
> NO 37
> RI 36
> ST 36
> SY 40
>
> Data Since 2002 (More recent all teams)
> Losses Leading At Half Time
> AD 13
> BR 13
> CA 9
> CO 15
> ES 10
> FO 12
> FR 7
> GE 12
> HA 11
> ME 8
> NO 10
> PA 5
> RI 11
> ST 8
> SY 11
> WE 8
> Losses Leading At 3 Quarter Time
> AD 6
> BR 7
> CA 5
> CO 7
> ES 6
> FO 9
> FR 8
> GE 8
> HA 5
> ME 8
> NO 5
> PA 4
> RI 6
> ST 8
> SY 6
> WE 2
>

[Ext User(Colin Kynoch)]

On Wed, 03 May 2006 01:58:04 GMT, "Norman" <buggerbill@bigpond.net.au>
decided that the world would be a better place for knowing the
following:

>I agree there with you Nicky. I can't undestand all of those posts against
>you as the proof is in the pudding.

Which pudding?

The Magic Pudding? The stats do absolutely nothing to support Nicky's
wild assertion as there is insufficient data to form a meaningful
conclusion.

> Look how awful they are this season.

Awful?

Beat the reigning premier

Beaten by Brisbane in Brisbane by 3 goals

Beaten by the 4th Team by 11 points

Beaten by the 3rd team by 17 points

Beaten by the 5th team by a point

Hardly a disgraceful effort.


>Some say they may be good - but still can't finish the game off.

They have been beaten by better teams and have not been thrashed this
year. There is a lot of younger players and they are without Lloyd.

> Sheedy is a smart operator, but his days of coaching have been over a long time ago.

How long ago?

10 years is a long time!

He's won a flag in that time.


>He's in too much of a comfort zone and needs to get back to plumbing and
>leave the footy coaching to someone who is competant.

Such as?

I assume you mean competent BTW.

<snip>

Colin Kynoch

[Ext User(Neil Green)]

"Colin Kynoch" <colinkynoch@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:6m3g5219pdip3b433thp740nd8kc6vifn6@4ax.com...
> On Wed, 03 May 2006 01:58:04 GMT, "Norman" <buggerbill@bigpond.net.au>
> decided that the world would be a better place for knowing the
> following:
>
>>I agree there with you Nicky. I can't undestand all of those posts against
>>you as the proof is in the pudding.
>
> Which pudding?
>
> The Magic Pudding? The stats do absolutely nothing to support Nicky's
> wild assertion as there is insufficient data to form a meaningful
> conclusion.
>
>> Look how awful they are this season.
>
> Awful?
>
> Beat the reigning premier
>
> Beaten by Brisbane in Brisbane by 3 goals
>
> Beaten by the 4th Team by 11 points
>
> Beaten by the 3rd team by 17 points
>
> Beaten by the 5th team by a point
>
> Hardly a disgraceful effort.

Colin, you truly are a master of spin.
Let's look at it another way.
Beat Sydney, who have been very unimpressive to say the least, and then
beaten by four teams who failrd to make the eight last year, including last
year's 14th and 15th placed teams and this year's 16th placed team.
Disgraceful may be too strong a word but no matter which way you slice and
dice it it's not flash.


>
>
>>Some say they may be good - but still can't finish the game off.
>
> They have been beaten by better teams and have not been thrashed this
> year. There is a lot of younger players and they are without Lloyd.
>
>> Sheedy is a smart operator, but his days of coaching have been over a
>> long time ago.
>
> How long ago?
>
> 10 years is a long time!
>
> He's won a flag in that time.
>
>
>>He's in too much of a comfort zone and needs to get back to plumbing and
>>leave the footy coaching to someone who is competant.
>
> Such as?
>
> I assume you mean competent BTW.
>
> <snip>
>
> Colin Kynoch

[Ext User(Colin Kynoch)]

On Thu, 4 May 2006 07:12:30 +1000, "Neil Green"
<nrgreenNOSPAM@optusnet.com.au> decided that the world would be a
better place for knowing the following:

>
>"Colin Kynoch" <colinkynoch@gmail.com> wrote in message
>news:6m3g5219pdip3b433thp740nd8kc6vifn6@4ax.com...
>> On Wed, 03 May 2006 01:58:04 GMT, "Norman" <buggerbill@bigpond.net.au>
>> decided that the world would be a better place for knowing the
>> following:
>>
>>>I agree there with you Nicky. I can't undestand all of those posts against
>>>you as the proof is in the pudding.
>>
>> Which pudding?
>>
>> The Magic Pudding? The stats do absolutely nothing to support Nicky's
>> wild assertion as there is insufficient data to form a meaningful
>> conclusion.
>>
>>> Look how awful they are this season.
>>
>> Awful?
>>
>> Beat the reigning premier
>>
>> Beaten by Brisbane in Brisbane by 3 goals
>>
>> Beaten by the 4th Team by 11 points
>>
>> Beaten by the 3rd team by 17 points
>>
>> Beaten by the 5th team by a point
>>
>> Hardly a disgraceful effort.
>
>Colin, you truly are a master of spin.
>Let's look at it another way.
>Beat Sydney, who have been very unimpressive to say the least, and then
>beaten by four teams who failrd to make the eight last year, including last
>year's 14th and 15th placed teams and this year's 16th placed team.
>Disgraceful may be too strong a word but no matter which way you slice and
>dice it it's not flash.

We'll get our four points from Carlton soon.

Colin Kynoch

[Ext User(Neil Green)]

"Colin Kynoch" <colinkynoch@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:m5ji52tdg1gsis3q9t1eer6lpa3st6u29b@4ax.com...
> On Thu, 4 May 2006 07:12:30 +1000, "Neil Green"
> <nrgreenNOSPAM@optusnet.com.au> decided that the world would be a
> better place for knowing the following:
>
>>
>>"Colin Kynoch" <colinkynoch@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>news:6m3g5219pdip3b433thp740nd8kc6vifn6@4ax.com...
>>> On Wed, 03 May 2006 01:58:04 GMT, "Norman" <buggerbill@bigpond.net.au>
>>> decided that the world would be a better place for knowing the
>>> following:
>>>
>>>>I agree there with you Nicky. I can't undestand all of those posts
>>>>against
>>>>you as the proof is in the pudding.
>>>
>>> Which pudding?
>>>
>>> The Magic Pudding? The stats do absolutely nothing to support Nicky's
>>> wild assertion as there is insufficient data to form a meaningful
>>> conclusion.
>>>
>>>> Look how awful they are this season.
>>>
>>> Awful?
>>>
>>> Beat the reigning premier
>>>
>>> Beaten by Brisbane in Brisbane by 3 goals
>>>
>>> Beaten by the 4th Team by 11 points
>>>
>>> Beaten by the 3rd team by 17 points
>>>
>>> Beaten by the 5th team by a point
>>>
>>> Hardly a disgraceful effort.
>>
>>Colin, you truly are a master of spin.
>>Let's look at it another way.
>>Beat Sydney, who have been very unimpressive to say the least, and then
>>beaten by four teams who failrd to make the eight last year, including
>>last
>>year's 14th and 15th placed teams and this year's 16th placed team.
>>Disgraceful may be too strong a word but no matter which way you slice and
>>dice it it's not flash.
>
> We'll get our four points from Carlton soon.
>
> Colin Kynoch

Maybe, but that's not much to hang your hat on.
You see I know my team's no good, Essendon supporters are still in denial.
Can't see the Bombers winning many (If any) interstate and vey few against
the better Victorian teams like StKilda and Geelong.
Your best bet for wins will be the likes of Carlton and Richmond, maybe
North at a pinch and perhaps Port, Brisbane and Freo in Melbourne, although
I wouldn't be betting on it if I were you.
There's a bleak few years ahead for you, especially after Hird and Fletcher
hang up the boots, and no more priority picks!
If Hille's your best young prospect as captain that says it all.