Traffic Ingringements Notice

[Ext User(spai01@gmail.com)]

I have an Trafiic Infringements Notice issued by NSW Police. The field
where it says, "Signature of Officer" is unsigned and left blank. The
issuing Police ooficer obivously forgot to sign.

Does this mean anything? Can I avoid paying the fine on this
technicality? :)

[Ext User(Noddy)]

<spai01@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> Does this mean anything?

Yeah, it means it's not signed.

> Can I avoid paying the fine on this technicality? :)

Nope :)

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Noddy.

[Ext User(Bernd Felsche)]

"Noddy" <dg4163@dodo.com.au> writes:
><spai01@gmail.com> wrote:

>> Does this mean anything?

>Yeah, it means it's not signed.

>> Can I avoid paying the fine on this technicality? :)

>Nope :)

Functional illiteracy on the part of the cop isn't a defence? :-)

Each State has it's own regulated forms and the requirements for
what must be filled for it to be a legal document.

Without the signature, the officer would probably have to testify in
court that he filled in the form; and that would be accepted.
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[Ext User(dave.au)]

I thought is the notice was not filled out correctly it is invalid?



"Bernd Felsche" <bernie@innovative.iinet.net.au> wrote in message
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> "Noddy" <dg4163@dodo.com.au> writes:
>><spai01@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>> Does this mean anything?
>
>>Yeah, it means it's not signed.
>
>>> Can I avoid paying the fine on this technicality? :)
>
>>Nope :)
>
> Functional illiteracy on the part of the cop isn't a defence? :-)
>
> Each State has it's own regulated forms and the requirements for
> what must be filled for it to be a legal document.
>
> Without the signature, the officer would probably have to testify in
> court that he filled in the form; and that would be accepted.
> --
> /"\ Bernd Felsche - Innovative Reckoning, Perth, Western Australia
> \ / ASCII ribbon campaign | "Laws do not persuade just because
> X against HTML mail | they threaten."
> / \ and postings | Lucius Annaeus Seneca, c. 4BC - 65AD.

[Ext User(ant)]

dave.au wrote:
> I thought is the notice was not filled out correctly it is invalid?

Yes, if there's a spelling mistake anywhere on the form, or they used the
wrong colour pen to fill it in, you don't have to pay...

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ant

[Ext User(Toby Ponsenby)]

On 13 May 2006 18:25:09 -0700, spai01@gmail.com wrote:

> I have an Trafiic Infringements Notice issued by NSW Police. The field
> where it says, "Signature of Officer" is unsigned and left blank. The
> issuing Police ooficer obivously forgot to sign.
>
> Does this mean anything? Can I avoid paying the fine on this
> technicality? :)

So, is there a name on it at all?
If there isn't, it's gonna be difficult for GovCo to provide you with
the_right_to_face_your_accuser.
BTW, that's one of the *very_few_rights* you have at Law.,

Use it, or lose it.


--
Toby.
quidquid latine dictum
sit, altum viditur

[Ext User(FuTAnT)]

"Toby Ponsenby" <toby@privacy.net> wrote in message
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> On 13 May 2006 18:25:09 -0700, spai01@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> I have an Trafiic Infringements Notice issued by NSW Police. The field
>> where it says, "Signature of Officer" is unsigned and left blank. The
>> issuing Police ooficer obivously forgot to sign.
>>
>> Does this mean anything? Can I avoid paying the fine on this
>> technicality? :)
>
> So, is there a name on it at all?
> If there isn't, it's gonna be difficult for GovCo to provide you with
> the_right_to_face_your_accuser.
> BTW, that's one of the *very_few_rights* you have at Law.,
>
> Use it, or lose it.
>
>
> --
> Toby.
> quidquid latine dictum
> sit, altum viditur

Ring a solicitor that deals with traffic infirngements etc and go from
there.

[Ext User(Scotty)]

"FuTAnT" <blah@blah.com> wrote in message
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>
> "Toby Ponsenby" <toby@privacy.net> wrote in message
> news:wh87p772w4ro$.1xqg34riww7id.dlg@40tude.net...
>> On 13 May 2006 18:25:09 -0700, spai01@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> I have an Trafiic Infringements Notice issued by NSW Police. The field
>>> where it says, "Signature of Officer" is unsigned and left blank. The
>>> issuing Police ooficer obivously forgot to sign.
>>>
>>> Does this mean anything? Can I avoid paying the fine on this
>>> technicality? :)
>>
>> So, is there a name on it at all?
>> If there isn't, it's gonna be difficult for GovCo to provide you with
>> the_right_to_face_your_accuser.
>> BTW, that's one of the *very_few_rights* you have at Law.,
>>
>> Use it, or lose it.
>>
>>
>> --
>> Toby.
>> quidquid latine dictum
>> sit, altum viditur
>
> Ring a solicitor that deals with traffic infirngements etc and go from
> there.
>

If the infringment is under $200 it would be better to pay then forget
rather than paying alawer and still maybe paying the fine.

[Ext User(Toby Ponsenby)]

On Sun, 14 May 2006 14:10:43 +1000, Scotty wrote:

> "FuTAnT" <blah@blah.com> wrote in message
> news:4466a6c7$0$20115$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.a u...
>>
>> "Toby Ponsenby" <toby@privacy.net> wrote in message
>> news:wh87p772w4ro$.1xqg34riww7id.dlg@40tude.net...
>>> On 13 May 2006 18:25:09 -0700, spai01@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
>>>> I have an Trafiic Infringements Notice issued by NSW Police. The field
>>>> where it says, "Signature of Officer" is unsigned and left blank. The
>>>> issuing Police ooficer obivously forgot to sign.
>>>>
>>>> Does this mean anything? Can I avoid paying the fine on this
>>>> technicality? :)
>>>
>>> So, is there a name on it at all?
>>> If there isn't, it's gonna be difficult for GovCo to provide you with
>>> the_right_to_face_your_accuser.
>>> BTW, that's one of the *very_few_rights* you have at Law.,
>>>
>>> Use it, or lose it.
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Toby.
>>> quidquid latine dictum
>>> sit, altum viditur
>>
>> Ring a solicitor that deals with traffic infirngements etc and go from
>> there.
>>
>
> If the infringment is under $200 it would be better to pay then forget
> rather than paying alawer and still maybe paying the fine.

That's the Spirit!!!

Fuck me - and you lot wonder why GovCo chews you up and spits you
out...

Or do you?

Yeah, maybe you don't notice.


--
Toby.
quidquid latine dictum
sit, altum viditur

[Ext User(Scotty)]

"Toby Ponsenby" <toby@privacy.net> wrote in message
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> On Sun, 14 May 2006 14:10:43 +1000, Scotty wrote:
>
>> "FuTAnT" <blah@blah.com> wrote in message
>> news:4466a6c7$0$20115$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.a u...
>>>
>>> "Toby Ponsenby" <toby@privacy.net> wrote in message
>>> news:wh87p772w4ro$.1xqg34riww7id.dlg@40tude.net...
>>>> On 13 May 2006 18:25:09 -0700, spai01@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I have an Trafiic Infringements Notice issued by NSW Police. The field
>>>>> where it says, "Signature of Officer" is unsigned and left blank. The
>>>>> issuing Police ooficer obivously forgot to sign.
>>>>>
>>>>> Does this mean anything? Can I avoid paying the fine on this
>>>>> technicality? :)
>>>>
>>>> So, is there a name on it at all?
>>>> If there isn't, it's gonna be difficult for GovCo to provide you with
>>>> the_right_to_face_your_accuser.
>>>> BTW, that's one of the *very_few_rights* you have at Law.,
>>>>
>>>> Use it, or lose it.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Toby.
>>>> quidquid latine dictum
>>>> sit, altum viditur
>>>
>>> Ring a solicitor that deals with traffic infirngements etc and go from
>>> there.
>>>
>>
>> If the infringment is under $200 it would be better to pay then forget
>> rather than paying alawer and still maybe paying the fine.
>
> That's the Spirit!!!
>
> Fuck me - and you lot wonder why GovCo chews you up and spits you
> out...
>
> Or do you?
>
> Yeah, maybe you don't notice.
>
>
> --
> Toby.
> quidquid latine dictum
> sit, altum viditur

Nup Toby, Im just a practical person, why fight a battle thats almost
impossible to win without hardship from yourself. I will fight battle
worthy of fighting.

[Ext User(FuTAnT)]

"Scotty" <scoter1@warmmail.com> wrote in message
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>
> "FuTAnT" <blah@blah.com> wrote in message
> news:4466a6c7$0$20115$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.a u...
>>
>> "Toby Ponsenby" <toby@privacy.net> wrote in message
>> news:wh87p772w4ro$.1xqg34riww7id.dlg@40tude.net...
>>> On 13 May 2006 18:25:09 -0700, spai01@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
>>>> I have an Trafiic Infringements Notice issued by NSW Police. The field
>>>> where it says, "Signature of Officer" is unsigned and left blank. The
>>>> issuing Police ooficer obivously forgot to sign.
>>>>
>>>> Does this mean anything? Can I avoid paying the fine on this
>>>> technicality? :)
>>>
>>> So, is there a name on it at all?
>>> If there isn't, it's gonna be difficult for GovCo to provide you with
>>> the_right_to_face_your_accuser.
>>> BTW, that's one of the *very_few_rights* you have at Law.,
>>>
>>> Use it, or lose it.
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Toby.
>>> quidquid latine dictum
>>> sit, altum viditur
>>
>> Ring a solicitor that deals with traffic infirngements etc and go from
>> there.
>>
>
> If the infringment is under $200 it would be better to pay then forget
> rather than paying alawer and still maybe paying the fine.
>

How about you ring someone like I said and maybe it would be worth it. Not
all court battles cost $2000 plus for traffic infringement. Some are pretty
simple and don't even reach court of the cop fundamentally fucked up.

[Ext User(Noddy)]

"Bernd Felsche" <bernie@innovative.iinet.net.au> wrote in message
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> Functional illiteracy on the part of the cop isn't a defence? :-)

I think the judge would want a precedent :)

> Each State has it's own regulated forms and the requirements for
> what must be filled for it to be a legal document.
>
> Without the signature, the officer would probably have to testify in
> court that he filled in the form; and that would be accepted.

It would.

--
Regards,
Noddy.

[Ext User(Noddy)]

"ant" <welyattsolicitor@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> dave.au wrote:
>> I thought is the notice was not filled out correctly it is invalid?
>
> Yes, if there's a spelling mistake anywhere on the form, or they used the
> wrong colour pen to fill it in, you don't have to pay...

You forgot your smiley :)

--
Regards,
Noddy.

[Ext User(atec77)]

spai01@gmail.com wrote:
> I have an Trafiic Infringements Notice issued by NSW Police. The field
> where it says, "Signature of Officer" is unsigned and left blank. The
> issuing Police ooficer obivously forgot to sign.
>
> Does this mean anything? Can I avoid paying the fine on this
> technicality? :)
>
even with out a isg or badge number it will stand in court with his
testomony... no way ouy with out a witness and money .

[Ext User(Scotty)]

"Noddy" <dg4163@dodo.com.au> wrote in message
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>
> "ant" <welyattsolicitor@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:4cniggF16t6nsU1@individual.net...
>> dave.au wrote:
>>> I thought is the notice was not filled out correctly it is invalid?
>>
>> Yes, if there's a spelling mistake anywhere on the form, or they used the
>> wrong colour pen to fill it in, you don't have to pay...
>
> You forgot your smiley :)
>
> --
> Regards,
> Noddy.
>
You forget your smileys nose ;o)

[Ext User(Scotty)]

"FuTAnT" <blah@blah.com> wrote in message
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> "Scotty" <scoter1@warmmail.com> wrote in message
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>>
>> "FuTAnT" <blah@blah.com> wrote in message
>> news:4466a6c7$0$20115$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.a u...
>>>
>>> "Toby Ponsenby" <toby@privacy.net> wrote in message
>>> news:wh87p772w4ro$.1xqg34riww7id.dlg@40tude.net...
>>>> On 13 May 2006 18:25:09 -0700, spai01@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I have an Trafiic Infringements Notice issued by NSW Police. The field
>>>>> where it says, "Signature of Officer" is unsigned and left blank. The
>>>>> issuing Police ooficer obivously forgot to sign.
>>>>>
>>>>> Does this mean anything? Can I avoid paying the fine on this
>>>>> technicality? :)
>>>>
>>>> So, is there a name on it at all?
>>>> If there isn't, it's gonna be difficult for GovCo to provide you with
>>>> the_right_to_face_your_accuser.
>>>> BTW, that's one of the *very_few_rights* you have at Law.,
>>>>
>>>> Use it, or lose it.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Toby.
>>>> quidquid latine dictum
>>>> sit, altum viditur
>>>
>>> Ring a solicitor that deals with traffic infirngements etc and go from
>>> there.
>>>
>>
>> If the infringment is under $200 it would be better to pay then forget
>> rather than paying alawer and still maybe paying the fine.
>>
>
> How about you ring someone like I said and maybe it would be worth it. Not
> all court battles cost $2000 plus for traffic infringement. Some are
> pretty simple and don't even reach court of the cop fundamentally fucked
> up.
>
>
>

I said $200 not $2000. Most Laywers charge almost $200 to answer the damn
phone.

[Ext User(Uncle Bully)]

<spai01@gmail.com> wrote in message
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>I have an Trafiic Infringements Notice issued by NSW Police. The field
> where it says, "Signature of Officer" is unsigned and left blank. The
> issuing Police ooficer obivously forgot to sign.
>
> Does this mean anything? Can I avoid paying the fine on this
> technicality? :)

My rule of thumb is never even think about doing anything until you get the
reminder. It is only when you get the reminder that you can be sure the
ticket is in the system.
On at least a couple of occassions, for what ever reaosn I have never the
received the reminder and got off. Once you receive your rmeinder, then
worry about what to do about it.

[Ext User(Uncle Bully)]

"Scotty" <scoter1@warmmail.com> wrote in message
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> "Noddy" <dg4163@dodo.com.au> wrote in message
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>>
>> "ant" <welyattsolicitor@gmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:4cniggF16t6nsU1@individual.net...
>>> dave.au wrote:
>>>> I thought is the notice was not filled out correctly it is invalid?
>>>
>>> Yes, if there's a spelling mistake anywhere on the form, or they used
>>> the wrong colour pen to fill it in, you don't have to pay...
>>
>> You forgot your smiley :)
>>
>> --
>> Regards,
>> Noddy.
>>
> You forget your smileys nose ;o)

You forgot how to spell. Twice.

[Ext User(FuTAnT)]

"Scotty" <scoter1@warmmail.com> wrote in message
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> "FuTAnT" <blah@blah.com> wrote in message
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>> "Scotty" <scoter1@warmmail.com> wrote in message
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>>>
>>> "FuTAnT" <blah@blah.com> wrote in message
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>>>>
>>>> "Toby Ponsenby" <toby@privacy.net> wrote in message
>>>> news:wh87p772w4ro$.1xqg34riww7id.dlg@40tude.net...
>>>>> On 13 May 2006 18:25:09 -0700, spai01@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I have an Trafiic Infringements Notice issued by NSW Police. The
>>>>>> field
>>>>>> where it says, "Signature of Officer" is unsigned and left blank. The
>>>>>> issuing Police ooficer obivously forgot to sign.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Does this mean anything? Can I avoid paying the fine on this
>>>>>> technicality? :)
>>>>>
>>>>> So, is there a name on it at all?
>>>>> If there isn't, it's gonna be difficult for GovCo to provide you with
>>>>> the_right_to_face_your_accuser.
>>>>> BTW, that's one of the *very_few_rights* you have at Law.,
>>>>>
>>>>> Use it, or lose it.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Toby.
>>>>> quidquid latine dictum
>>>>> sit, altum viditur
>>>>
>>>> Ring a solicitor that deals with traffic infirngements etc and go from
>>>> there.
>>>>
>>>
>>> If the infringment is under $200 it would be better to pay then forget
>>> rather than paying alawer and still maybe paying the fine.
>>>
>>
>> How about you ring someone like I said and maybe it would be worth it.
>> Not all court battles cost $2000 plus for traffic infringement. Some are
>> pretty simple and don't even reach court of the cop fundamentally fucked
>> up.
>>
>>
>>
>
> I said $200 not $2000. Most Laywers charge almost $200 to answer the damn
> phone.
>

Well, do some research then. The one I use has spoken to me twice so far,
both about 40 min conversations for nix.

[Ext User(Scotty)]

"FuTAnT" <blah@blah.com> wrote in message
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>
>>>>>
>>>> If the infringment is under $200 it would be better to pay then forget
>>>> rather than paying alawer and still maybe paying the fine.
>>>>
>>>
>>> How about you ring someone like I said and maybe it would be worth it.
>>> Not all court battles cost $2000 plus for traffic infringement. Some are
>>> pretty simple and don't even reach court of the cop fundamentally fucked
>>> up.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>> I said $200 not $2000. Most Laywers charge almost $200 to answer the damn
>> phone.
>>
>
> Well, do some research then. The one I use has spoken to me twice so far,
> both about 40 min conversations for nix.
>

Why should I do anything, Im not the silly bastard that got caught doing
anything.