Extracting Music From Vinyl Records

[Ext User(David Springthorpe)]

This question may have been asked before, and if so I apologise, and
can be probably classified as another dummy's question.

I've got a pile of 20+ year old records some of which I'd like to
convert to CDs. Also a similarly aged record player (a 1982 model
Mitsubushi with a vertical turntable). I realise I'd have to buy
another turntable. What particular hardware and software would I need
please, apart from that software for audio CD burning which I now have
(refer to a previous thread).

Thanks,
DS.

[Ext User(Rod Speed)]

David Springthorpe <david.springthorpe@idx.com.au> wrote

> This question may have been asked before,

It has indeed.

> and if so I apologise,

A Jap would at least have the decency to disembowel itself.

> and can be probably classified as another dummy's question.

Nope, its not completely obvious how to do it.

> I've got a pile of 20+ year old records some of which I'd like to convert
> to CDs. Also a similarly aged record player (a 1982 model Mitsubushi
> with a vertical turntable). I realise I'd have to buy another turntable.

Not necessarily.

> What particular hardware and software would I need please,

Dick Smith does flog a couple designed for this.
http://www.dse.com.au/cgi-bin/dse.storefront/en/product/A1361
http://www.dse.com.au/cgi-bin/dse.storefront/en/product/A1392

I like Roxio EMC for the software myself, but Nero can do it too.

> apart from that software for audio CD burning
> which I now have (refer to a previous thread).

[Ext User(Swampfox)]

"David Springthorpe" <david.springthorpe@idx.com.au> wrote in message
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> This question may have been asked before, and if so I apologise, and
> can be probably classified as another dummy's question.
>
> I've got a pile of 20+ year old records some of which I'd like to
> convert to CDs. Also a similarly aged record player (a 1982 model
> Mitsubushi with a vertical turntable). I realise I'd have to buy
> another turntable. What particular hardware and software would I need
> please, apart from that software for audio CD burning which I now have
> (refer to a previous thread).
>
> Thanks,
> DS.

Depending on your turntable you may need a preamp to push sufficient signal
into the line in socket of your soundcard.
Any decent magnetic cartridge will need to be amplified.
If your Mitsubishi has line out jacks you're in luck.
In either case you'll probably need a 3.5mm stereo to RCA cable, $5 or so.
Then you'll need some software to record the audio.
I use Cool Edit but there are lots around, not sure if anything decent is
free but I doubt it.

[Ext User(Jollyrodgers)]

"David Springthorpe" <david.springthorpe@idx.com.au> wrote in message
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> This question may have been asked before, and if so I apologise, and
> can be probably classified as another dummy's question.
>
> I've got a pile of 20+ year old records some of which I'd like to
> convert to CDs. Also a similarly aged record player (a 1982 model
> Mitsubushi with a vertical turntable). I realise I'd have to buy
> another turntable. What particular hardware and software would I need
> please, apart from that software for audio CD burning which I now have
> (refer to a previous thread).


So long as you have a stand alone turntable (not amplified )
Adapt the RCA plug to fit the "Line In" on your sound card.
Then get a good program to capture/record that input.
Sound Forge or something similar.
Easy as that AFAIK.

[Ext User(Gregory Kleverlaan)]

"David Springthorpe" <david.springthorpe@idx.com.au> wrote in message
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> This question may have been asked before, and if so I apologise, and
> can be probably classified as another dummy's question.
>
> I've got a pile of 20+ year old records some of which I'd like to
> convert to CDs. Also a similarly aged record player (a 1982 model
> Mitsubushi with a vertical turntable). I realise I'd have to buy
> another turntable. What particular hardware and software would I need
> please, apart from that software for audio CD burning which I now have
> (refer to a previous thread).

Easiest way to do it freely.

1) Just run your record player throught the amplifier as you are currently
doing.
2) run a audio cable from tape out on amplifier to the line in of your sound
card
3) then use simple WAV file recording software like "cd wave" to record the
incoming audio from the record player and split them into seperate tracks.
http://www.milosoftware.com/cdwave/

the only other thing you might want to invenst in is some extra software to
clean up the pops and clicks in the old vynal recodings. But thats not
necessary if your happy with the quality of the recordings.

but the basic idea is to transfer the revo

[Ext User(Dave B.)]

I've tried it using goldwave, its pretty easy, the main problem i've found
is that there is still sounds betweeen tracks. Unlike CD's the dividing line
between tracks is not always clear cut.
Anyway its often easier just to download the songs of your records , unless
they're really really obscure, and be of better quality.


David Springthorpe wrote:
> This question may have been asked before, and if so I apologise, and
> can be probably classified as another dummy's question.
>
> I've got a pile of 20+ year old records some of which I'd like to
> convert to CDs. Also a similarly aged record player (a 1982 model
> Mitsubushi with a vertical turntable). I realise I'd have to buy
> another turntable. What particular hardware and software would I need
> please, apart from that software for audio CD burning which I now have
> (refer to a previous thread).
>
> Thanks,
> DS.

[Ext User(Swampfox)]

"Jollyrodgers" <~jollyrod~@bogpud.net.au> wrote in message
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>
> "David Springthorpe" <david.springthorpe@idx.com.au> wrote in message
> news:pv1cs1d744vf2deqqe8es3sml9esngcdft@4ax.com...
>> This question may have been asked before, and if so I apologise, and
>> can be probably classified as another dummy's question.
>>
>> I've got a pile of 20+ year old records some of which I'd like to
>> convert to CDs. Also a similarly aged record player (a 1982 model
>> Mitsubushi with a vertical turntable). I realise I'd have to buy
>> another turntable. What particular hardware and software would I need
>> please, apart from that software for audio CD burning which I now have
>> (refer to a previous thread).
>
>
> So long as you have a stand alone turntable (not amplified )
> Adapt the RCA plug to fit the "Line In" on your sound card.
> Then get a good program to capture/record that input.
> Sound Forge or something similar.
> Easy as that AFAIK.

That's incorrect.
The output from the turntable must be amplified unless it's a ceramic or
crystal cartridge which is highly unlikely on a standalone
turntable.(Crystal cartridges have been obsolete for many years).
Any amp with a phono input will do, but obviously the better the
amp/turntable, the better the end result.

[Ext User(Chock)]

"David Springthorpe" <david.springthorpe@idx.com.au> wrote in message
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> This question may have been asked before, and if so I apologise, and
> can be probably classified as another dummy's question.
>
> I've got a pile of 20+ year old records some of which I'd like to
> convert to CDs. Also a similarly aged record player (a 1982 model
> Mitsubushi with a vertical turntable). I realise I'd have to buy
> another turntable. What particular hardware and software would I need
> please, apart from that software for audio CD burning which I now have
> (refer to a previous thread).
>
> Thanks,
> DS.


Depending on the rarity of the songs, it may be better in the end to just
download mp3s of them. If the records have since been remastered to CD, then
you would (hopefully) be getting good quality rips of the CDs, without the
pops and hiss of a vinyl transfer. Plus you won't have to buy an additional
equipment nor spend potentially hours setting up, transferring, fiddling
with software settings, etc to get a good result.

And if you're worried about the ethical issues of copyright, you already own
the LPs :-)

- Chock

[Ext User(Graham Fountain)]

Chock wrote:
> "David Springthorpe" <david.springthorpe@idx.com.au> wrote in message
> news:pv1cs1d744vf2deqqe8es3sml9esngcdft@4ax.com...
>> This question may have been asked before, and if so I apologise, and
>> can be probably classified as another dummy's question.
>>
>> I've got a pile of 20+ year old records some of which I'd like to
>> convert to CDs. Also a similarly aged record player (a 1982 model
>> Mitsubushi with a vertical turntable). I realise I'd have to buy
>> another turntable. What particular hardware and software would I need
>> please, apart from that software for audio CD burning which I now have
>> (refer to a previous thread).
>>
>> Thanks,
>> DS.
>
>
> Depending on the rarity of the songs, it may be better in the end to just
> download mp3s of them. If the records have since been remastered to CD, then
> you would (hopefully) be getting good quality rips of the CDs, without the
> pops and hiss of a vinyl transfer.
Funny, I prefer to leave that in - it's not much on well cared for LP's
anyway. I only listen to my CD copies of my LP's when I'm in the car. At
home I still prefer to listen to the LP. I know technically CD is
better, but I prefer the overall sound from my LP's and turntable.
Depends on the music though - I prefer CD of classical music, LP's of Floyd.
>Plus you won't have to buy an additional
> equipment nor spend potentially hours setting up, transferring, fiddling
> with software settings, etc to get a good result.
>
> And if you're worried about the ethical issues of copyright, you already own
> the LPs :-)
>
> - Chock
>
>

[Ext User(SG1)]

"David Springthorpe" <david.springthorpe@idx.com.au> wrote in message
news:pv1cs1d744vf2deqqe8es3sml9esngcdft@4ax.com...
> This question may have been asked before, and if so I apologise, and
> can be probably classified as another dummy's question.
>
> I've got a pile of 20+ year old records some of which I'd like to
> convert to CDs. Also a similarly aged record player (a 1982 model
> Mitsubushi with a vertical turntable). I realise I'd have to buy
> another turntable. What particular hardware and software would I need
> please, apart from that software for audio CD burning which I now have
> (refer to a previous thread).
>
> Thanks,
> DS.

When the anklebiters heard I was going to transfer most of our large LP
collection to CD. They got me a new turntable from Tandy/TrickieDicky it is
an Optimus LAB-1100 and ordered copies. I got the plug a (2xRCA to 3.5mm
Stereo plug) Dick Smith catalogue P6572.
I use sound forge to do the capture. 36MB download and you will need to find
a keygen (can supply) as Sony charge 2 arms & 2 legs for it. But will be
fully functional with keygen.
James

[Ext User(mindesign)]

I believe turntables output completely differently to other RCA out
devices........ from memory their impedance is 300 ohms therefore you cannot
just plug one into the line in as it will either not work or cause
damage......
I recorded my LPs (definitely NOT available on CD) using a Thorens turntable
through a Denon receiver, feeding the signal into my PC. (SGI workstation) -
I used Audacity which is free and wonderful for doing this stuff
hassle-free.

Hope this helps - and don't take my word for it that you might cook
something by trying to feed the signal direct from the TT - ask someone who
might actually know.

Steve



"SG1" <lost@the.races.com> wrote in message
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>
> "David Springthorpe" <david.springthorpe@idx.com.au> wrote in message
> news:pv1cs1d744vf2deqqe8es3sml9esngcdft@4ax.com...
>> This question may have been asked before, and if so I apologise, and
>> can be probably classified as another dummy's question.
>>
>> I've got a pile of 20+ year old records some of which I'd like to
>> convert to CDs. Also a similarly aged record player (a 1982 model
>> Mitsubushi with a vertical turntable). I realise I'd have to buy
>> another turntable. What particular hardware and software would I need
>> please, apart from that software for audio CD burning which I now have
>> (refer to a previous thread).
>>
>> Thanks,
>> DS.
>
> When the anklebiters heard I was going to transfer most of our large LP
> collection to CD. They got me a new turntable from Tandy/TrickieDicky it
> is an Optimus LAB-1100 and ordered copies. I got the plug a (2xRCA to
> 3.5mm Stereo plug) Dick Smith catalogue P6572.
> I use sound forge to do the capture. 36MB download and you will need to
> find a keygen (can supply) as Sony charge 2 arms & 2 legs for it. But will
> be fully functional with keygen.
> James
>

[Ext User(Rod Speed)]

mindesign <seriph_I_SAID_NO_BLOODY_SPAM@consultant.com> wrote:

> I believe turntables output completely differently to other RCA out
> devices........ from memory their impedance is 300 ohms

Its much more complicated than that.

> therefore you cannot just plug one into the line in

Correct, you need a preamp. That amplifys and there
are specific inputs for the type of pickup being used.
The preamp also equalizes and thats crucial.

> as it will either not work or cause damage......

It wont cause damage.

> I recorded my LPs (definitely NOT available on CD) using a Thorens turntable
> through a Denon receiver, feeding the signal into my PC. (SGI workstation) - I
> used Audacity which is free and wonderful for doing this stuff hassle-free.

> Hope this helps - and don't take my word for it that you might cook something
> by trying to feed the signal direct from the TT - ask someone who might
> actually know.

You just need a preamp, or plug the turntable into a full amp
and connect the line out on that to the line in on the sound card.


> "SG1" <lost@the.races.com> wrote in message
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>>
>> "David Springthorpe" <david.springthorpe@idx.com.au> wrote in message
>> news:pv1cs1d744vf2deqqe8es3sml9esngcdft@4ax.com...
>>> This question may have been asked before, and if so I apologise, and
>>> can be probably classified as another dummy's question.
>>>
>>> I've got a pile of 20+ year old records some of which I'd like to
>>> convert to CDs. Also a similarly aged record player (a 1982 model
>>> Mitsubushi with a vertical turntable). I realise I'd have to buy
>>> another turntable. What particular hardware and software would I
>>> need please, apart from that software for audio CD burning which I
>>> now have (refer to a previous thread).
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> DS.
>>
>> When the anklebiters heard I was going to transfer most of our large
>> LP collection to CD. They got me a new turntable from
>> Tandy/TrickieDicky it is an Optimus LAB-1100 and ordered copies. I
>> got the plug a (2xRCA to 3.5mm Stereo plug) Dick Smith catalogue P6572.
>> I use sound forge to do the capture. 36MB download and you will need
>> to find a keygen (can supply) as Sony charge 2 arms & 2 legs for it.
>> But will be fully functional with keygen.
>> James

[Ext User(RMD)]

On Thu, 12 Jan 2006 18:42:24 +1100, David Springthorpe
<david.springthorpe@idx.com.au> wrote:

>This question may have been asked before, and if so I apologise, and
>can be probably classified as another dummy's question.
>
>I've got a pile of 20+ year old records some of which I'd like to
>convert to CDs. Also a similarly aged record player (a 1982 model
>Mitsubushi with a vertical turntable). I realise I'd have to buy
>another turntable. What particular hardware and software would I need
>please, apart from that software for audio CD burning which I now have
>(refer to a previous thread).
>
>Thanks,
>DS.

I've used both new TT's and a quality TT that is 25 years old to
record vinyl to my PC. Both new and old TT's sound about the same to
my ears. It isn't as though vinyl is anything much re quality. :)
While some vinyl sounds acceptable, other vinyl is just plurry awful.
One forgets how bad some record masters and vinyl pressings were. :)

I use Messer (Google Messer to find it) to record sound mainly because
Messer has wonderful VU meters to remember peak sound levels. It is
important to get the sound levels right and not clipping, since
otherwise overload distortion can be a problem during parts of the
recording.

The simplest method is to use the tape-out of your amplifier into your
sound card as others have suggested. The Dick Smith Lab 1100 turntable
has a built in pre-amp for the magnetic cartridge.

I'd try your old player and amplifier first.

Audacity is another free sound processing/recording program worth a
try. The PC magazines often have other programs to do vinyl/CD on the
magazine CD too. Worth a look.

Ross

(To get email address ROT 13)
ebff_qnyl@lnubb.pbz

[Ext User(Jawa)]

On Thu, 12 Jan 2006 18:42:24 +1100, David Springthorpe
<david.springthorpe@idx.com.au> wrote:

>This question may have been asked before, and if so I apologise, and
>can be probably classified as another dummy's question.
>
>I've got a pile of 20+ year old records some of which I'd like to
>convert to CDs. Also a similarly aged record player (a 1982 model
>Mitsubushi with a vertical turntable). I realise I'd have to buy
>another turntable. What particular hardware and software would I need
>please, apart from that software for audio CD burning which I now have
>(refer to a previous thread).
>
>Thanks,
>DS.
I have an Optimus 1100 turntable ($99 from Tandy) that's made for the
job. It's not great, but quite adequate and very easy to set up (clear
instructions included). I use GoldWave to manipulate the resulting
..wav files, and it has a very good step by step section in the help
files outlining LP to CD, but it's not free.
It's not a fast process, so be prepared to devote some time to it.

[Ext User(Swampfox)]

"Graham Fountain" <ask@and.find.out> wrote in message
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> Chock wrote:
>> "David Springthorpe" <david.springthorpe@idx.com.au> wrote in message
>> news:pv1cs1d744vf2deqqe8es3sml9esngcdft@4ax.com...
>>> This question may have been asked before, and if so I apologise, and
>>> can be probably classified as another dummy's question.
>>>
>>> I've got a pile of 20+ year old records some of which I'd like to
>>> convert to CDs. Also a similarly aged record player (a 1982 model
>>> Mitsubushi with a vertical turntable). I realise I'd have to buy
>>> another turntable. What particular hardware and software would I need
>>> please, apart from that software for audio CD burning which I now have
>>> (refer to a previous thread).
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> DS.
>>
>>
>> Depending on the rarity of the songs, it may be better in the end to just
>> download mp3s of them. If the records have since been remastered to CD,
>> then
>> you would (hopefully) be getting good quality rips of the CDs, without
>> the
>> pops and hiss of a vinyl transfer.
> Funny, I prefer to leave that in - it's not much on well cared for LP's
> anyway. I only listen to my CD copies of my LP's when I'm in the car. At
> home I still prefer to listen to the LP. I know technically CD is better,
> but I prefer the overall sound from my LP's and turntable. Depends on the
> music though - I prefer CD of classical music, LP's of Floyd.

I'm with you on this.
Good condition vinyl is perfectly acceptable with the odd click and I've yet
to use a filter that doesn't knock the top end about. (If anyone's used one
that doesn't let me know)
I did about twenty or thirty albums when the first CD burners became
available and pulled afew of the CD's out to play them a few months ago and
four of them were unreadable - bummer.
Needless to say I re-copied the remainder and I think the blank CD's are
better nowadays.


>>Plus you won't have to buy an additional
>> equipment nor spend potentially hours setting up, transferring, fiddling
>> with software settings, etc to get a good result.
>>
>> And if you're worried about the ethical issues of copyright, you already
>> own
>> the LPs :-)
>>
>> - Chock
>>