Future classics to buy now

[Ext User(Marco)]

The old story always goes like this: Bought a (insert car here) a long
time ago for pretty much stuff-all money and today it's in mint
condition and worth a packet. Or has some historical value.

With second hand cars getting cheaper and cheaper (because everyone's
buying new ones), what are peoples thoughts on the cars to buy today
for peanuts to hang on to for later?

I notice, for example, that good condition old Holdens and Fords always
seem to be worth a reasonable amount regardless of whether or not they
were good cars new. Would it be worth buying up an immaculate XF
Falcon or VN Commodore or something along those lines for a few grand
and putting them in order while parts are still everywhere and cheap?

Old European cars are a bit hit and miss, but are generally worth
something to someone. Just about every European marque has some sort
of following. Get into an early 3 series or something along those
lines?

Japanese cars don't seem to work the same way - or is that because the
'age of the Japanese car' really only got into full swing in the 70s
and 80s so none of the cars from that era are old enough yet? Maybe
because a lot of Japanese cars have been appliances rather than
anything interesting, there will be a big difference between cars that
are worth something later and cars that won't be. Nobody is going to
be the slightest bit interested in a mint condition '89 Camry found in
a shed somewhere in 20 years, but I'll bet there would be a queue of
people for a similar R32 Skyline or early WRX.

Will the first Korean car sold here one day be worth something? Track
down that '86 Excel now...

Also, how long does it take for an old car to be worth something? To
me, it seems to be around the 30 year mark. 70s Fords and Holdens, for
example, seem to sell for more-than-sensible money these days in good
condition, whereas the early 80s models are still nowhere.

Marco

[Ext User(Trevor Wilson)]

"Marco" <rbgemini@iprimus.com.au> wrote in message
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> The old story always goes like this: Bought a (insert car here) a long
> time ago for pretty much stuff-all money and today it's in mint
> condition and worth a packet. Or has some historical value.
>
> With second hand cars getting cheaper and cheaper (because everyone's
> buying new ones), what are peoples thoughts on the cars to buy today
> for peanuts to hang on to for later?
>
> I notice, for example, that good condition old Holdens and Fords always
> seem to be worth a reasonable amount regardless of whether or not they
> were good cars new. Would it be worth buying up an immaculate XF
> Falcon or VN Commodore or something along those lines for a few grand
> and putting them in order while parts are still everywhere and cheap?
>
> Old European cars are a bit hit and miss, but are generally worth
> something to someone. Just about every European marque has some sort
> of following. Get into an early 3 series or something along those
> lines?
>
> Japanese cars don't seem to work the same way - or is that because the
> 'age of the Japanese car' really only got into full swing in the 70s
> and 80s so none of the cars from that era are old enough yet? Maybe
> because a lot of Japanese cars have been appliances rather than
> anything interesting, there will be a big difference between cars that
> are worth something later and cars that won't be. Nobody is going to
> be the slightest bit interested in a mint condition '89 Camry found in
> a shed somewhere in 20 years, but I'll bet there would be a queue of
> people for a similar R32 Skyline or early WRX.
>
> Will the first Korean car sold here one day be worth something? Track
> down that '86 Excel now...
>
> Also, how long does it take for an old car to be worth something? To
> me, it seems to be around the 30 year mark. 70s Fords and Holdens, for
> example, seem to sell for more-than-sensible money these days in good
> condition, whereas the early 80s models are still nowhere.

**Buy a Mitsu 380. It'll be the last car manufactured by Mitsu in Australia
and, like the P76 (which was widely despised at the time) may appreciate
(after the initial, massive depreciation hit) in 50 years. They'll be worth
less than a packet of chips in 5 years, people won't bother getting them
repaired and they'll all end up in the crushers. Except for yours, if you're
smart.

Collecting cars, is like collecting coins. Go for the following:

Condition.
Rarity (as opposed to poularity - look at the Gullwing Merc. They had to
discount them to get them out of the showrooms).

I reckon the 380 is a shoo-in.


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[Ext User(mf1@project1221.com中华人民共和国)]

Marco wrote:
> The old story always goes like this: Bought a (insert car here) a long
> time ago for pretty much stuff-all money and today it's in mint
> condition and worth a packet. Or has some historical value.
>
> With second hand cars getting cheaper and cheaper (because everyone's
> buying new ones), what are peoples thoughts on the cars to buy today
> for peanuts to hang on to for later?

Good and undervalued vehicle would have to be the XA GT Falcon
Sedans.Nobody wants them, i dont know why.

Seen them for $8k, which is a round of drinks really.

Not sure if a Kinga is collectable though:-)

[Ext User(patrick@unknown (Patrick Young)]

In article <44839941$0$26752$88260bb3@free.teranews.com>, "Trevor Wilson" <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> writes:

> "Marco" <rbgemini@iprimus.com.au> wrote in message
> news:1149477200.557723.232300@i39g2000cwa.googlegr oups.com...

>> The old story always goes like this: Bought a (insert car here) a long
>> time ago for pretty much stuff-all money and today it's in mint
>> condition and worth a packet. Or has some historical value.

> Collecting cars, is like collecting coins. Go for the following:
>
> Condition.
> Rarity (as opposed to poularity - look at the Gullwing Merc. They had to
> discount them to get them out of the showrooms).
>
> I reckon the 380 is a shoo-in.

I think popular stuff can become collectable, because there is the
memory of "I had that then and things were good for me"

I'm watching Toyota and working out how to get me mits on LN106 'lux
parts next year (10 year mark).

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"mf1@project1221.com???????<????? ???????? ????????? ???????PT-141& P2
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> Good and undervalued vehicle would have to be the XA GT Falcon
> Sedans.Nobody wants them, i dont know why.
>
> Seen them for $8k, which is a round of drinks really.

$8k would have been some time ago, as every one I've seen recently has been
asking stupid money.

As far as cars being "investment material" go, they're a terribly bad idea.
The ones that do manage to appreciate in value over time do so at a slower
rate than almost anything else.

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[Ext User(Ron)]

"Marco" <rbgemini@iprimus.com.au> wrote in news:1149477200.557723.232300
@i39g2000cwa.googlegroups.com:

> The old story always goes like this: Bought a (insert car here) a long
> time ago for pretty much stuff-all money and today it's in mint
> condition and worth a packet. Or has some historical value.
>
> With second hand cars getting cheaper and cheaper (because everyone's
> buying new ones), what are peoples thoughts on the cars to buy today
> for peanuts to hang on to for later?
>
> I notice, for example, that good condition old Holdens and Fords
always
> seem to be worth a reasonable amount regardless of whether or not they
> were good cars new. Would it be worth buying up an immaculate XF
> Falcon or VN Commodore or something along those lines for a few grand
> and putting them in order while parts are still everywhere and cheap?
>
> Old European cars are a bit hit and miss, but are generally worth
> something to someone. Just about every European marque has some sort
> of following. Get into an early 3 series or something along those
> lines?
>
> Japanese cars don't seem to work the same way - or is that because the
> 'age of the Japanese car' really only got into full swing in the 70s
> and 80s so none of the cars from that era are old enough yet? Maybe
> because a lot of Japanese cars have been appliances rather than
> anything interesting, there will be a big difference between cars that
> are worth something later and cars that won't be. Nobody is going to
> be the slightest bit interested in a mint condition '89 Camry found in
> a shed somewhere in 20 years, but I'll bet there would be a queue of
> people for a similar R32 Skyline or early WRX.
>
> Will the first Korean car sold here one day be worth something? Track
> down that '86 Excel now...
>
> Also, how long does it take for an old car to be worth something? To
> me, it seems to be around the 30 year mark. 70s Fords and Holdens,
for
> example, seem to sell for more-than-sensible money these days in good
> condition, whereas the early 80s models are still nowhere.
>

Marco,

They usually become collectable when very few of that model are left :-)

The Japs started building Toyota (Then Toyoda) in 1936, Datsun 1932
(copies of Austin UK), tiny two cylinder Mazda's in 1963, Subaru in
1958, Suzuki in 1955, Isuzu in 1943 (mainly copies of Hillman), three
wheeled Daihatsu in 1951 and Mitseeshitsee in 1960 (crap back then and
nothing has changed :-)

Korea started in 1944 with a butt ugly 4x4.
http://clubdaewooracerchile.galeon.com/album1001591.html

You will note they copied GM/Opel and Datsun cars :-)

Not many old asian cars are considered collectable. Hard to get parts
for, fall apart...

Ron

[Ext User(Marco)]

Ron wrote:

> Not many old asian cars are considered collectable. Hard to get parts
> for, fall apart...

Or is it just because there haven't been many Asian cars that are
deemed classics - ie, nothing memorable/notable until recent times?

Marco

[Ext User(GK)]

"Marco" <rbgemini@iprimus.com.au> wrote in message
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> Japanese cars don't seem to work the same way - or is that because the
> 'age of the Japanese car' really only got into full swing in the 70s
> and 80s so none of the cars from that era are old enough yet? Maybe
> because a lot of Japanese cars have been appliances rather than
> anything interesting, there will be a big difference between cars that
> are worth something later and cars that won't be. Nobody is going to
> be the slightest bit interested in a mint condition '89 Camry found in
> a shed somewhere in 20 years, but I'll bet there would be a queue of
> people for a similar R32 Skyline or early WRX.

Don't forget the 300ZX !



g

[Ext User(Noddy)]

"Marco" <rbgemini@iprimus.com.au> wrote in message

> Or is it just because there haven't been many Asian cars that are
> deemed classics - ie, nothing memorable/notable until recent times?

Most likely.

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[Ext User(Rainbow Warrior)]

"D Walford" <walford@iprimus.com.au> wrote in message
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> To me what makes anything collectable is its age and its originality.
> Any 30 + yr old vehicle in mint original condition has got to be worth
> money regardless of how that model was thought of when it was new.
>
> Daryl

Hmm 30yo Daewoo? LOL, then again they would decompose in storage anyway.

[Ext User(Ron)]

"Marco" <rbgemini@iprimus.com.au> wrote in news:1149486553.772258.251310
@g10g2000cwb.googlegroups.com:

>
> Ron wrote:
>
>> Not many old asian cars are considered collectable. Hard to get parts
>> for, fall apart...
>
> Or is it just because there haven't been many Asian cars that are
> deemed classics - ie, nothing memorable/notable until recent times?
>
> Marco
>

Probably, however, Honda S600/800 are collectable, Datsun 240-280Z,
Prince GT (if you can find one), the rest are rather Ho Hum...

Ron

[Ext User(Trevor Wilson)]

"Ron" <X101@newsguy.com> wrote in message
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> "Marco" <rbgemini@iprimus.com.au> wrote in news:1149486553.772258.251310
> @g10g2000cwb.googlegroups.com:
>
>>
>> Ron wrote:
>>
>>> Not many old asian cars are considered collectable. Hard to get parts
>>> for, fall apart...
>>
>> Or is it just because there haven't been many Asian cars that are
>> deemed classics - ie, nothing memorable/notable until recent times?
>>
>> Marco
>>
>
> Probably, however, Honda S600/800 are collectable, Datsun 240-280Z,
> Prince GT (if you can find one), the rest are rather Ho Hum...

**I'd go with the mighty and pretty rare Honda S1300. Way ahead of it's
time. A mate of mine modded his S600. He converted it to shaft drive and
dropped (well, shoe-horned) a Cortina 1.6 Litre engine in it. That was
interesting.


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[Ext User(Andy)]

Ron wrote:
> "Marco" <rbgemini@iprimus.com.au> wrote in news:1149486553.772258.251310
> @g10g2000cwb.googlegroups.com:
>
>
>>Ron wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Not many old asian cars are considered collectable. Hard to get parts
>>>for, fall apart...
>>
>>Or is it just because there haven't been many Asian cars that are
>>deemed classics - ie, nothing memorable/notable until recent times?
>>
>>Marco
>>
>
>
> Probably, however, Honda S600/800 are collectable, Datsun 240-280Z,
> Prince GT (if you can find one), the rest are rather Ho Hum...
>
> Ron

Factory turbo Sigma?

Cheers,

Andy. (The other Andy.)

[Ext User(Fraser Johnston)]

"Noddy" <dg4163@dodo.com.au> wrote in message
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>
> "mf1@project1221.com???????<????? ???????? ????????? ???????PT-141& P2
> Member" <auscars@gmail.com>
>
>> Good and undervalued vehicle would have to be the XA GT Falcon
>> Sedans.Nobody wants them, i dont know why.
>>
>> Seen them for $8k, which is a round of drinks really.
>
> $8k would have been some time ago, as every one I've seen recently has
> been asking stupid money.
>
> As far as cars being "investment material" go, they're a terribly bad
> idea. The ones that do manage to appreciate in value over time do so at a
> slower rate than almost anything else.

Noddys right. The last one I saw was around the $30k mark.

Fraser

[Ext User(Ron)]

Andy <nospam@no.no> wrote in news:4484013d@news.comindico.com.au:

> Ron wrote:
>> "Marco" <rbgemini@iprimus.com.au> wrote in news:1149486553.772258.251310
>> @g10g2000cwb.googlegroups.com:
>>
>>
>>>Ron wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>Not many old asian cars are considered collectable. Hard to get parts
>>>>for, fall apart...
>>>
>>>Or is it just because there haven't been many Asian cars that are
>>>deemed classics - ie, nothing memorable/notable until recent times?
>>>
>>>Marco
>>>
>>
>>
>> Probably, however, Honda S600/800 are collectable, Datsun 240-280Z,
>> Prince GT (if you can find one), the rest are rather Ho Hum...
>>
>> Ron
>
> Factory turbo Sigma?

ROTFLMAO :-)
I love it :-)

[Ext User(Magic Mushroom Farmer)]

Trevor Wilson wrote:
> "Marco" <rbgemini@iprimus.com.au> wrote in message
> news:1149477200.557723.232300@i39g2000cwa.googlegr oups.com...
> > The old story always goes like this: Bought a (insert car here) a long
> > time ago for pretty much stuff-all money and today it's in mint
> > condition and worth a packet. Or has some historical value.
> >
> > With second hand cars getting cheaper and cheaper (because everyone's
> > buying new ones), what are peoples thoughts on the cars to buy today
> > for peanuts to hang on to for later?
> >
> > I notice, for example, that good condition old Holdens and Fords always
> > seem to be worth a reasonable amount regardless of whether or not they
> > were good cars new. Would it be worth buying up an immaculate XF
> > Falcon or VN Commodore or something along those lines for a few grand
> > and putting them in order while parts are still everywhere and cheap?
> >
> > Old European cars are a bit hit and miss, but are generally worth
> > something to someone. Just about every European marque has some sort
> > of following. Get into an early 3 series or something along those
> > lines?
> >
> > Japanese cars don't seem to work the same way - or is that because the
> > 'age of the Japanese car' really only got into full swing in the 70s
> > and 80s so none of the cars from that era are old enough yet? Maybe
> > because a lot of Japanese cars have been appliances rather than
> > anything interesting, there will be a big difference between cars that
> > are worth something later and cars that won't be. Nobody is going to
> > be the slightest bit interested in a mint condition '89 Camry found in
> > a shed somewhere in 20 years, but I'll bet there would be a queue of
> > people for a similar R32 Skyline or early WRX.
> >
> > Will the first Korean car sold here one day be worth something? Track
> > down that '86 Excel now...
> >
> > Also, how long does it take for an old car to be worth something? To
> > me, it seems to be around the 30 year mark. 70s Fords and Holdens, for
> > example, seem to sell for more-than-sensible money these days in good
> > condition, whereas the early 80s models are still nowhere.
>
> **Buy a Mitsu 380. It'll be the last car manufactured by Mitsu in Australia
> and, like the P76 (which was widely despised at the time) may appreciate
> (after the initial, massive depreciation hit) in 50 years. They'll be worth
> less than a packet of chips in 5 years, people won't bother getting them
> repaired and they'll all end up in the crushers. Except for yours, if you're
> smart.
>
> Collecting cars, is like collecting coins. Go for the following:
>
> Condition.
> Rarity (as opposed to poularity - look at the Gullwing Merc. They had to
> discount them to get them out of the showrooms).
>
> I reckon the 380 is a shoo-in.
>
>
> --
> Trevor Wilson
> www.rageaudio.com.au
>
>
>
> --
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> www.rageaudio.com.au
>
>
>
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[Ext User(Magic Mushroom Farmer)]

Ron wrote:
> "Marco" <rbgemini@iprimus.com.au> wrote in news:1149477200.557723.232300
> @i39g2000cwa.googlegroups.com:
>
> > The old story always goes like this: Bought a (insert car here) a long
> > time ago for pretty much stuff-all money and today it's in mint
> > condition and worth a packet. Or has some historical value.
> >
> > With second hand cars getting cheaper and cheaper (because everyone's
> > buying new ones), what are peoples thoughts on the cars to buy today
> > for peanuts to hang on to for later?
> >
> > I notice, for example, that good condition old Holdens and Fords
> always
> > seem to be worth a reasonable amount regardless of whether or not they
> > were good cars new. Would it be worth buying up an immaculate XF
> > Falcon or VN Commodore or something along those lines for a few grand
> > and putting them in order while parts are still everywhere and cheap?
> >
> > Old European cars are a bit hit and miss, but are generally worth
> > something to someone. Just about every European marque has some sort
> > of following. Get into an early 3 series or something along those
> > lines?
> >
> > Japanese cars don't seem to work the same way - or is that because the
> > 'age of the Japanese car' really only got into full swing in the 70s
> > and 80s so none of the cars from that era are old enough yet? Maybe
> > because a lot of Japanese cars have been appliances rather than
> > anything interesting, there will be a big difference between cars that
> > are worth something later and cars that won't be. Nobody is going to
> > be the slightest bit interested in a mint condition '89 Camry found in
> > a shed somewhere in 20 years, but I'll bet there would be a queue of
> > people for a similar R32 Skyline or early WRX.
> >
> > Will the first Korean car sold here one day be worth something? Track
> > down that '86 Excel now...
> >
> > Also, how long does it take for an old car to be worth something? To
> > me, it seems to be around the 30 year mark. 70s Fords and Holdens,
> for
> > example, seem to sell for more-than-sensible money these days in good
> > condition, whereas the early 80s models are still nowhere.
> >
>
> Marco,
>
> They usually become collectable when very few of that model are left :-)
>
> The Japs started building Toyota (Then Toyoda) in 1936, Datsun 1932
> (copies of Austin UK), tiny two cylinder Mazda's in 1963, Subaru in
> 1958, Suzuki in 1955, Isuzu in 1943 (mainly copies of Hillman), three
> wheeled Daihatsu in 1951 and Mitseeshitsee in 1960 (crap back then and
> nothing has changed :-)
>
> Korea started in 1944 with a butt ugly 4x4.
> http://clubdaewooracerchile.galeon.com/album1001591.html
>
> You will note they copied GM/Opel and Datsun cars :-)
>
> Not many old asian cars are considered collectable. Hard to get parts
> for, fall apart...
>
> Ron

Mazda in 1920 as Pickup trucks and three wheel trucks according to
Mazda Australia

[Ext User(Katharine & Paul)]

I would say none. Thats right NONE.

Most new cars look like plastic toys. Not much collector appeal there.

The cars which have become collectors items do for many reasons.
They must have some character - missing in modern cars.

The 60's and 70's Fords and Holdens that people pay big money for now - have
the acceleration of a slug, have woeful handling, and braking is a sick joke
compared to basic model Falcodores sold new today.

But the had much better sounding engines, and looked much better. They also
have that bit of Bathurst history, which is probably thye reason why
Chargers sell for less money than GTHO's. The Charger never won.

A new SS Commodore will soon be replaced by a better model, and a better
model again in another couple of years. And they will all have similar
character.

You cannot sell a new car with the character of a 70's muscle car. Noise,
and ADR regulations see to that.

70's cars have big collector appeal becasue that type of car will never be
built again.




"Marco" <rbgemini@iprimus.com.au> wrote in message
news:1149477200.557723.232300@i39g2000cwa.googlegr oups.com...
> The old story always goes like this: Bought a (insert car here) a long
> time ago for pretty much stuff-all money and today it's in mint
> condition and worth a packet. Or has some historical value.
>
> With second hand cars getting cheaper and cheaper (because everyone's
> buying new ones), what are peoples thoughts on the cars to buy today
> for peanuts to hang on to for later?
>
> I notice, for example, that good condition old Holdens and Fords always
> seem to be worth a reasonable amount regardless of whether or not they
> were good cars new. Would it be worth buying up an immaculate XF
> Falcon or VN Commodore or something along those lines for a few grand
> and putting them in order while parts are still everywhere and cheap?
>
> Old European cars are a bit hit and miss, but are generally worth
> something to someone. Just about every European marque has some sort
> of following. Get into an early 3 series or something along those
> lines?
>
> Japanese cars don't seem to work the same way - or is that because the
> 'age of the Japanese car' really only got into full swing in the 70s
> and 80s so none of the cars from that era are old enough yet? Maybe
> because a lot of Japanese cars have been appliances rather than
> anything interesting, there will be a big difference between cars that
> are worth something later and cars that won't be. Nobody is going to
> be the slightest bit interested in a mint condition '89 Camry found in
> a shed somewhere in 20 years, but I'll bet there would be a queue of
> people for a similar R32 Skyline or early WRX.
>
> Will the first Korean car sold here one day be worth something? Track
> down that '86 Excel now...
>
> Also, how long does it take for an old car to be worth something? To
> me, it seems to be around the 30 year mark. 70s Fords and Holdens, for
> example, seem to sell for more-than-sensible money these days in good
> condition, whereas the early 80s models are still nowhere.
>
> Marco
>

[Ext User(Magic Mushroom Farmer)]

D Walford wrote:
> Marco wrote:
>
> > Also, how long does it take for an old car to be worth something? To
> > me, it seems to be around the 30 year mark. 70s Fords and Holdens, for
> > example, seem to sell for more-than-sensible money these days in good
> > condition, whereas the early 80s models are still nowhere.
> >
>
> To me what makes anything collectable is its age and its originality.
> Any 30 + yr old vehicle in mint original condition has got to be worth
> money regardless of how that model was thought of when it was new.
>
>
> Daryl

30 year old Commodore.....
,nearly there,now thats nuts,I can just imagine all the old
blokes"those old commodores were fantastic cars in their day,built to
last,reliable,and great to drive"
Ha ha
It an't gonna happen.....no longer are we learning with cars,we are
building cars to a full govco scrap book of ideas,right down to the
bloody door trim.

[Ext User(Katharine & Paul)]

>
> Good and undervalued vehicle would have to be the XA GT Falcon
> Sedans.Nobody wants them, i dont know why.
>
> Seen them for $8k, which is a round of drinks really.
>
> Not sure if a Kinga is collectable though:-)


Can buy one somewhere for $8 grand???????

Please tell me where. I'll buy a few of them and sell them tommorrow for an
enourmous profit.








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