At Least They Were Polite Enough.....

[Ext User(David Springthorpe)]

......to be "helping police with their enquiries" :
http://www.news.com.au/story/0,10117,19379682-2,00.html

[Ext User(patrick@unknown (Patrick Young)]

In article <ovl98219cms1sahm5prlcv3blven2ukkhj@4ax.com>, David Springthorpe <david.springthorpe@idx.com.au> writes:

> .....to be "helping police with their enquiries" :
> http://www.news.com.au/story/0,10117,19379682-2,00.html

LOL!

However yet another _petrol_ powered vehicle "burst into flames".
Yep, dispite what others here say, that is a common outcome.

Fecking stuff should be banned - not safe for road use. Diesel
or LPG only thanx.

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[Ext User(Neil Gerace)]

"David Springthorpe" <david.springthorpe@idx.com.au> wrote in message
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> .....to be "helping police with their enquiries" :
> http://www.news.com.au/story/0,10117,19379682-2,00.html

Probably helping the police to get some boxing practice at the same time.
Aren't they nice chaps!

[Ext User(Just JT)]

"Patrick Young <patrick@hilux.ace.unsw.EDU.AU>" <patrick@unknown> wrote:
>> .....to be "helping police with their enquiries" :
>> http://www.news.com.au/story/0,10117,19379682-2,00.html
>
> LOL!
>
> However yet another _petrol_ powered vehicle "burst into flames".
> Yep, dispite what others here say, that is a common outcome.
>
> Fecking stuff should be banned - not safe for road use. Diesel
> or LPG only thanx.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Because LPG- or diesel-powered vehicles WILL NEVER burst into flames?

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[Ext User(John_H)]

David Springthorpe wrote:

>.....to be "helping police with their enquiries" :
>http://www.news.com.au/story/0,10117,19379682-2,00.html

Copspeak for... "ve haff vays of making zem talk". ;-)

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John H

[Ext User(patrick@unknown (Patrick Young)]

In article <4484eb73$0$5432$9a6e19ea@unlimited.newshosting.com>, "Just JT" <JohnnyThor@Hotmale.Com> writes:

> Because LPG- or diesel-powered vehicles WILL NEVER burst into flames?

Unlikely due to the handling and containment/valving etc requirements
for LPG, and diesel ain't volatile (would need to be a largish spill
of it on a very hot road surface to be much of a hazzard), otherwise
stand there all day long putting out lit matches in it.

OTOH a collision between a 'rol vehicle and a diesel one where the 'rol
flames heat the diesel might not be a good look either.

> YouWannaBetOnThat?

I'll take me best odds thanks, and 'rol is not it.

IveGotAPhobiaAboutBeingTrappedInAVehicleAndBeingBu rntAlive

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Tel: 292 91 52
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[Ext User(zonie)]

Could'nt imagine what the air would be like if all petrol cars and trucks
were diesel. I like diesels but they are dirtier than their petrol
counterparts and can be more expensive to keep for the average person.
Scott

[Ext User(Dan---)]

"zonie" <sjemoomaw@nospam> wrote in message
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> Could'nt imagine what the air would be like if all petrol cars and trucks
> were diesel. I like diesels but they are dirtier than their petrol
> counterparts and can be more expensive to keep for the average person.

A good mate of mine who is a diesel mechanic always said a well tuned and
maintained diesel can be cleaner than a petrol engine. Already low sulfer
diesel fuel and cat convertors fitted to many diesel powered cars (not so
sure about 4 wheel drives or softroaders). The BMW diesel engines has proved
to be very clean running engines.


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Heaven is Hell.

[Ext User(Fraser Johnston)]

"Dan---" <Z06@vette.com> wrote in message
news:128a2aq8kg0ft3c@corp.supernews.com...
> "zonie" <sjemoomaw@nospam> wrote in message
> news:0eeb371307a86a3f43b86d43e68a3a9c@localhost.ta lkaboutautos.com...
>> Could'nt imagine what the air would be like if all petrol cars and trucks
>> were diesel. I like diesels but they are dirtier than their petrol
>> counterparts and can be more expensive to keep for the average person.
>
> A good mate of mine who is a diesel mechanic always said a well tuned and
> maintained diesel can be cleaner than a petrol engine. Already low sulfer
> diesel fuel and cat convertors fitted to many diesel powered cars (not so
> sure about 4 wheel drives or softroaders). The BMW diesel engines has
> proved to be very clean running engines.

Emmisions wise they can be but it's the nasty particulates you have to worry
about.

Fraser

[Ext User(patrick@unknown (Patrick Young)]

In article <0eeb371307a86a3f43b86d43e68a3a9c@localhost.talkabo utautos.com>, "zonie" <sjemoomaw@nospam> writes:

> Could'nt imagine what the air would be like if all petrol cars and trucks
> were diesel. I like diesels but they are dirtier than their petrol
> counterparts and can be more expensive to keep for the average person.

As mentioned, diesels can be a lot cleaner, especially on biodiesel:

http://www.biodiesel.org.au/biodieselfacts.htm

Diesel engines might get a bit of a bad name as petroleum diesel
is not the fuel they were ever designed for. They simply use it because
they can, just like the other day I pretty much ran out of fuel as
and had to rush home the previous day without filling up. Stopped
outside hardware store, bought/tipped in litre bottle of kero - No
worries!

Diesel engines are prolly one of the most incredible engineering
inventions I can think of. I fecking love them. As someone on
the old Cummins list said "any diesel engine, not matter how
badly designed will be better than any "gas{petrol} pig"

On properly made biodiesel, diesel engines are at their best,
and yup {from my experience} there is a noticable smoke decrease
and power increase.

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[Ext User(John_H)]

Dan--- wrote:
>
>"zonie" <sjemoomaw@nospam> wrote in message
>news:0eeb371307a86a3f43b86d43e68a3a9c@localhost.ta lkaboutautos.com...
>>
>> Could'nt imagine what the air would be like if all petrol cars and trucks
>> were diesel. I like diesels but they are dirtier than their petrol
>> counterparts and can be more expensive to keep for the average person.
>
>A good mate of mine who is a diesel mechanic always said a well tuned and
>maintained diesel can be cleaner than a petrol engine. Already low sulfer
>diesel fuel and cat convertors fitted to many diesel powered cars (not so
>sure about 4 wheel drives or softroaders). The BMW diesel engines has proved
>to be very clean running engines.

Check them out at...
http://www.greenvehicleguide.gov.au/gvgpublicui/Staticcontent/ratings.aspx

Last time I looked the first diesel was a long way down the list.

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[Ext User(Fraser Johnston)]

"Patrick Young <patrick@hilux.ace.unsw.EDU.AU>" <patrick@unknown> wrote in
message news:4KiAZyuVAXjq@unknown...
> In article
> <0eeb371307a86a3f43b86d43e68a3a9c@localhost.talkabo utautos.com>, "zonie"
> <sjemoomaw@nospam> writes:
>
>> Could'nt imagine what the air would be like if all petrol cars and trucks
>> were diesel. I like diesels but they are dirtier than their petrol
>> counterparts and can be more expensive to keep for the average person.
>
> As mentioned, diesels can be a lot cleaner, especially on biodiesel:
>
> http://www.biodiesel.org.au/biodieselfacts.htm
>
> Diesel engines might get a bit of a bad name as petroleum diesel
> is not the fuel they were ever designed for. They simply use it because
> they can, just like the other day I pretty much ran out of fuel as
> and had to rush home the previous day without filling up. Stopped
> outside hardware store, bought/tipped in litre bottle of kero - No
> worries!
>
> Diesel engines are prolly one of the most incredible engineering
> inventions I can think of. I fecking love them. As someone on
> the old Cummins list said "any diesel engine, not matter how
> badly designed will be better than any "gas{petrol} pig"
>
> On properly made biodiesel, diesel engines are at their best,
> and yup {from my experience} there is a noticable smoke decrease
> and power increase.

Yet funnily enough you still don't see diesels in formula one, drag racing
or WRC.

Fraser

[Ext User(Fraser Johnston)]

"Patrick Young <patrick@hilux.ace.unsw.EDU.AU>" <patrick@unknown> wrote in
message news:5Leexkm7yWDa@unknown...
> In article <4ekmteF1fa2drU1@individual.net>, "Fraser Johnston"
> <fraser@jcis.com.au> writes:
>
>> Yet funnily enough you still don't see diesels in formula one, drag
>> racing
>> or WRC.
>
> Not true, Cummins did IIRC.
>
> Prolly some stuff on that here:
>
> http://www.turbodieselregister.com
>
> Should renew me membership, I was one of the first
> members back in the early 1990s.

I should of said don't see them winning.

Fraser

[Ext User(patrick@unknown (Patrick Young)]

In article <4ekmteF1fa2drU1@individual.net>, "Fraser Johnston" <fraser@jcis.com.au> writes:

> Yet funnily enough you still don't see diesels in formula one, drag racing
> or WRC.

Not true, Cummins did IIRC.

Prolly some stuff on that here:

http://www.turbodieselregister.com

Should renew me membership, I was one of the first
members back in the early 1990s.

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BP 106 Timbuktu,
Mali (West Africa)
Tel: 292 91 52
Specialising in turbo diesel and R290 aircon
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[Ext User(patrick@unknown (Patrick Young)]

In article <4ekpreF1f8j78U1@individual.net>, "Fraser Johnston" <fraser@jcis.com.au> writes:

> I should of said don't see them winning.

Don't see there is much in there, it's not really given
much of a chance.

Folk are trained to believe 'rol is the only way to
go. Once thought that meself, and no longer the case.
Seems to me that 'rol is just way outta date - it just
does not make sense anymore.

It is a fuel that has a lower energy content than diesel,
it's dangerous and toxic (the smell of it makes me almost
have an asma attack) it goes off when stored. No I'll
give it a miss - find it a bit offensive these days meself.

Got shites with me dirt bike too - need to source diesel
model.

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[Ext User(athol)]

Patrick Young <patrick@hilux.ace.unsw.EDU.AU> <patrick@unknown> wrote:

> Unlikely due to the handling and containment/valving etc requirements
> for LPG,

Interestingly, one of the technical aspects of propane in A/C applications
is that it leaks in a "self extinguishing" manner. If you manage to light
the gas coming out of a hole, the gas behind it will apparently blow out
the flame! :-)

BTW, just got an invite to an SAE presentation on HyChill at Padstow TAFE
in a couple of weeks time... Dunno if non-members are allowed to come
along...

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The state of infrastructure in New South Wales is a disgrace.
I'm a Libran Engineer. I don't argue, I discuss.

[Ext User(Rainbow Warrior)]

"Patrick Young <patrick@hilux.ace.unsw.EDU.AU>" <patrick@unknown> wrote in
message news:dWVziZrxTRcP@unknown...
> In article <4ekpreF1f8j78U1@individual.net>, "Fraser Johnston"
> <fraser@jcis.com.au> writes:
>
>> I should of said don't see them winning.
>
> Don't see there is much in there, it's not really given
> much of a chance.
>
> Folk are trained to believe 'rol is the only way to
> go. Once thought that meself, and no longer the case.
> Seems to me that 'rol is just way outta date - it just
> does not make sense anymore.
>
> It is a fuel that has a lower energy content than diesel,
> it's dangerous and toxic (the smell of it makes me almost
> have an asma attack) it goes off when stored. No I'll
> give it a miss - find it a bit offensive these days meself.

Ahhh, so diesel should be better for aircraft, drag racing then & formula 1
then.

[Ext User(Rainbow Warrior)]

"Patrick Young <patrick@hilux.ace.unsw.EDU.AU>" <patrick@unknown> wrote in
message news:5Leexkm7yWDa@unknown...
> In article <4ekmteF1fa2drU1@individual.net>, "Fraser Johnston"
> <fraser@jcis.com.au> writes:
>
>> Yet funnily enough you still don't see diesels in formula one, drag
>> racing
>> or WRC.
>
> Not true, Cummins did IIRC.

All of them?

[Ext User(Bernd Felsche)]

"Fraser Johnston" <fraser@jcis.com.au> writes:
>"Dan---" <Z06@vette.com> wrote in message
>> "zonie" <sjemoomaw@nospam> wrote in message

>>> Could'nt imagine what the air would be like if all petrol cars
>>> and trucks were diesel. I like diesels but they are dirtier than
>>> their petrol counterparts and can be more expensive to keep for
>>> the average person.

>> A good mate of mine who is a diesel mechanic always said a well
>> tuned and maintained diesel can be cleaner than a petrol engine.
>> Already low sulfer diesel fuel and cat convertors fitted to many
>> diesel powered cars (not so sure about 4 wheel drives or
>> softroaders). The BMW diesel engines has proved to be very clean
>> running engines.

>Emmisions wise they can be but it's the nasty particulates you have
>to worry about.

Which *nasty* ones would those be?
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"Bernd Felsche" <bernie@innovative.iinet.net.au> wrote in message
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> "Fraser Johnston" <fraser@jcis.com.au> writes:
>>"Dan---" <Z06@vette.com> wrote in message
>>> "zonie" <sjemoomaw@nospam> wrote in message
>
>>>> Could'nt imagine what the air would be like if all petrol cars
>>>> and trucks were diesel. I like diesels but they are dirtier than
>>>> their petrol counterparts and can be more expensive to keep for
>>>> the average person.
>
>>> A good mate of mine who is a diesel mechanic always said a well
>>> tuned and maintained diesel can be cleaner than a petrol engine.
>>> Already low sulfer diesel fuel and cat convertors fitted to many
>>> diesel powered cars (not so sure about 4 wheel drives or
>>> softroaders). The BMW diesel engines has proved to be very clean
>>> running engines.
>
>>Emmisions wise they can be but it's the nasty particulates you have
>>to worry about.
>
> Which *nasty* ones would those be?

The ones comtaining polyaromatic hydrocarbons and nitroarenes.