Senate committee on fuel prices.

[Ext User(Toby Ponsenby)]

Haw haw haw ..



Yet another enquiry.

Aside:
The Hon Mark Vaile (or is that Veil) appears to have at least one
advisor that's read what I've been on about for quite a while. A
Newsgroup? sure - probably a Pesty fan.

Anyhow, the leader of whatever tribe ( I suspect the Australian
Agrarian Socialists) threatened to get the numbers on NATIONAL prices
t'other day.


When it's 'found' that the OilCorpoRapists don't have any real
variation in fleet oiling income day to day and week to week other
than an the usual inexorable increase in Profits...

This'll be good.

What am I saying...yeah - I'm dreamin - that legislation in progress
to both up the disclosure limit amount and allow donations to multiple
branches to count as discreet donations (both senses of the word) will
doubtless neuter the Hon members efforts.
No harm done though - he'll be fatter and fetch a better price.


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[Ext User(the fonz)]

Fuel prices, like every other price in a deregulated market, are set
according to what the market will bear.

Accusations of price gouging by fuel companies are what the latter just
call good business.

Asking corporations to lower their prices out of compassion is like
asking the Sydney Swans to kick less goals because they're a long way
ahead in the game. It's obviously not going to work.

[Ext User(ant)]

Toby Ponsenby wrote:

> Anyhow, the leader of whatever tribe ( I suspect the Australian
> Agrarian Socialists) threatened to get the numbers on NATIONAL prices
> t'other day.

I honestly do not understand how the Nationals can sell themselves to the
"Liberals". They are actually opposed, in all their basic beliefs. Economic
Rationalism, which the "Liberals" love, is death to the Nationals'
constituency. Petrol scum are making potloads, which is what the "Liberals"
believe in: Making Money. People in the country will pay more, as there is
little or no competition. Maybe it's Stockholm Syndrome, I dunno.

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ant

[Ext User(Toby Ponsenby)]

On 22 Jun 2006 04:55:43 -0700, the fonz wrote:

> Fuel prices, like every other price in a deregulated market, are set
> according to what the market will bear.
>
> Accusations of price gouging by fuel companies are what the latter just
> call good business.
>
> Asking corporations to lower their prices out of compassion is like
> asking the Sydney Swans to kick less goals because they're a long way
> ahead in the game. It's obviously not going to work.

You get the Elephant stamp today.

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[Ext User(Toby Ponsenby)]

On Thu, 22 Jun 2006 11:44:59 GMT, Toby Ponsenby wrote:

> Haw haw haw ..
>
>
>
> Yet another enquiry.
>
> Aside:
> The Hon Mark Vaile (or is that Veil) appears to have at least one
> advisor that's read what I've been on about for quite a while. A
> Newsgroup? sure - probably a Pesty fan.
>
> Anyhow, the leader of whatever tribe ( I suspect the Australian
> Agrarian Socialists) threatened to get the numbers on NATIONAL prices
> t'other day.
>
>
> When it's 'found' that the OilCorpoRapists don't have any real
> variation in fleet oiling income day to day and week to week other
> than an the usual inexorable increase in Profits...
>
> This'll be good.
>
> What am I saying...yeah - I'm dreamin - that legislation in progress
> to both up the disclosure limit amount and allow donations to multiple
> branches to count as discreet donations (both senses of the word) will
> doubtless neuter the Hon members efforts.
> No harm done though - he'll be fatter and fetch a better price.

Additional Information:

GovCo is further knobbling (no relation) the committee enquiry system.
Only GovCo members to be part of the sham, I believe.

Which is why the fucken enquiry has been announced about now.

Duh.

--
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"No matter how paranoid or conspiracy-minded you are, what the
government is actually doing is worse than you imagine."
- William Blum

[Ext User(Just JT)]

"the fonz" <arthur.fonzzarelli@gmail.com> wrote:
> Fuel prices, like every other price in a deregulated market, are set
> according to what the market will bear.
~~~~~~~~~~~~
Yep, high prices will teach those who drive V8s and petrol-gulping SUVs....

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[Ext User(DalienX)]

the fonz wrote:

> Fuel prices, like every other price in a deregulated market, are set
> according to what the market will bear.
>
> Accusations of price gouging by fuel companies are what the latter
> just call good business.
>
> Asking corporations to lower their prices out of compassion is like
> asking the Sydney Swans to kick less goals because they're a long way
> ahead in the game. It's obviously not going to work.

I would agree.. BUT the main reason our prices are so high is because
of the excessive taxes, not just the high price of oil.
To use your analagy.. the swans might be kicking a lot of goals but it
doesnt help that the refs keep giving them free kicks.
Americans pay a lot of tax on their fuel as well, yet their prices work
out to about $1au per liter, so whats that say about our tax level?

We are quite lucky though, i was speaking with a chick in the
neatherlands the other night and she told me they are paying around
2.60EUR ($4.40au) a liter.

[Ext User(Roger)]

"DalienX" <somewhere@earth.com> wrote in message
news:e7equ5$bue$1@nntp.aioe.org...
> the fonz wrote:
>
> > Fuel prices, like every other price in a deregulated market, are set
> > according to what the market will bear.
> >
> > Accusations of price gouging by fuel companies are what the latter
> > just call good business.
> >
> > Asking corporations to lower their prices out of compassion is like
> > asking the Sydney Swans to kick less goals because they're a long way
> > ahead in the game. It's obviously not going to work.
>
> I would agree.. BUT the main reason our prices are so high is because
> of the excessive taxes, not just the high price of oil.
> To use your analagy.. the swans might be kicking a lot of goals but it
> doesnt help that the refs keep giving them free kicks.
> Americans pay a lot of tax on their fuel as well, yet their prices work
> out to about $1au per liter, so whats that say about our tax level?
>
> We are quite lucky though, i was speaking with a chick in the
> neatherlands the other night and she told me they are paying around
> 2.60EUR ($4.40au) a liter.

Petrol and doctors both defy the laws of supply and demand, the more
you have the higher the prices get. Governments learnt in the 1970s Oil
Crisis that you could double or triple the price with only a minor temporary
dip in demand, everyone whined for a few days then got on with paying
the new price and applauded a drop of a few cents.

Many Middle Eastern countries and the 'Stans have well below US$0.50
a litre.

I'd still not invest in an oil company with their piss poor returns on
investment.
You can get a Commonwealth Bank passbook account that pays more
interest than most oil co's in Australia can pay to their investors.

The government is incapable of looking at transfer pricing - the main reason
that our fuel prices are so high. Howard is so far up Bush's arse you can
only
just see his ankles - free trade agreement put the scuppers on even trying
to
prevent international price fixing by US parent companies.

But dont forget that the free market provides everything so much cheaper
than
a market which has price controls (sic).

[Ext User(Just JT)]

"D Walford" <walford@iprimus.com.au> wrote:
>>
> You must be in the USA then because there are no SUV's in Australia.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Uhm, the following imported SUVs are on sale in Aus:

BMW X5
Toyota Landcruiser Prado
Porsche Cayenne
Lexus RX330
Honda MDX
VW Touareg
Holden Adventra

And the Ford Territory is a locally-made SUV!!

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[Ext User(Just JT)]

"DalienX" <somewhere@earth.com> wrote:
>
> I would agree.. BUT the main reason our prices are so high is because
> of the excessive taxes, not just the high price of oil.
~~~~~~~~~~~~
Among OECD countries, we have the second lowest tax on petrol.

> Americans pay a lot of tax on their fuel as well, yet their prices work
> out to about $1au per liter, so whats that say about our tax level?
~~~~~~~~~~
You're wrong. The US pay an average of 19 cents per litre of tax whilst
Aussies pay an average of 38 cents per litre. This is why US petrol is
cheaper than Aus.

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[Ext User(Just JT)]

"a9x5l" <a9x5l@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> How's that? My V8 runs on LPG.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
A V8 on LPG? LMAO.

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[Ext User(Ben Thomas)]

Just JT wrote:
> "D Walford" <walford@iprimus.com.au> wrote:
>> You must be in the USA then because there are no SUV's in Australia.
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> Uhm, the following imported SUVs are on sale in Aus:
>
> BMW X5
> Toyota Landcruiser Prado
> Porsche Cayenne
> Lexus RX330
> Honda MDX
> VW Touareg
> Holden Adventra
>
> And the Ford Territory is a locally-made SUV!!


SUV is an American term. Please do not use it.

Ben

[Ext User(Noddy)]

"Just JT" <JohnnyThor@Hotmale.Com> wrote in message news:449b2535$0$2493

> A V8 on LPG? LMAO.
>
> --
> V8onLPGsays"I'mACheapArsedHypocrite"

How do you figure that?

Oh, sorry, I forgot. You're a fucking idiot......

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[Ext User(Just JT)]

"Ben Thomas" <no.sp@m.thanks.mate> wrote:
>
> SUV is an American term. Please do not use it.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~
What's the Aus term for SUV?

Ford uses "recreational vehicle" but uses the acronym "SUV" in the url :

http://www.ford.com.au/range/suv.asp

VW uses 4WD:

http://www.volkswagen.com.au/touareg/default.asp

BMW uses 4WD:

http://www.bmw.com.au/

Honda uses 4WD:

http://www.honda.com.au/wps/wcm/connect/Honda.com.au/Home/Showroom/MDX/

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[Ext User(Dan---)]

Just JT wrote:
>
>> Yep, high prices will teach those who drive V8s and petrol-gulping
>> SUVs....
>

Fuck you talk a lot of crap don't you maggot.


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[Ext User(JD)]

Just JT wrote:

> "Ben Thomas" <no.sp@m.thanks.mate> wrote:
>>
>> SUV is an American term. Please do not use it.
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> What's the Aus term for SUV?
>
> Ford uses "recreational vehicle" but uses the acronym "SUV" in the url :
>
> http://www.ford.com.au/range/suv.asp
>
> VW uses 4WD:
>
> http://www.volkswagen.com.au/touareg/default.asp
>
> BMW uses 4WD:
>
> http://www.bmw.com.au/
>
> Honda uses 4WD:
>
> http://www.honda.com.au/wps/wcm/connect/Honda.com.au/Home/Showroom/MDX/
>
> --
> AWDor4WD?

The cars listed vary so much in character that there is probably no suitable
word that applies to all of them - certainly not SUV which is an American
neologism which is not even descriptive - few of them are "sports" in the
motoring sense, most are not of very much utility, in fact none are
utilities in the Australian meaning of the word, so this should
automatically disqualify the word for use in this country, although I
suppose all are vehicles.

The use of 4wd or AWD is descriptive in that they drive all four wheels at
least part of the time, but does not include only the vehicles listed -
there are, again, a wide range of vehicles with four wheel drive or all
wheel drive (and the distinction between these is rather rubbery too for
that matter) ranging from the diminutive Terios and Sierra to the Ford 350
in size, and from the Ford Courier or Tatra utes to the Range Rover in
luxury, and from pure road cars such as the Subaru WRX to dedicated offroad
vehicles such as the Landrover Defender or Toyota Landcruiser 78, even
without getting into heavy vehicles.

The cars you list are simply luxury or semi-luxury cars that happen to be
more or less suitable for use on non-urban roads, and a couple of them off
road.
JD

[Ext User(patrick@unknown (Patrick Young)]

In article <mqrrm3-i8e.ln1@teri.unico.com.au>, Ben Thomas <no.sp@m.thanks.mate> writes:

> SUV is an American term. Please do not use it.

Agree, while I don't have anything really against it, it is very
ambiguous and prolly in the same category as incorrectly calling an
aftercooler an intercooler which for some *weird* reason most of the
population do.

The term "pickup" and "ute" however I get the shites in the same
way as intercooler and aftercooler.

Ie: "I'm gunna install an intercooler on me Hilux ute" is totally
wrong and does not work for me as:

"I'm gunna install an aftercooler on me Hilux pickup" would work for
me. Speaking of which I should be looking into.

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[Ext User(JD)]

Patrick Young <patrick@hilux.ace.unsw.EDU.AU> wrote:

> In article <mqrrm3-i8e.ln1@teri.unico.com.au>, Ben Thomas
> <no.sp@m.thanks.mate> writes:
>
>> SUV is an American term. Please do not use it.
>
> Agree, while I don't have anything really against it, it is very
> ambiguous and prolly in the same category as incorrectly calling an
> aftercooler an intercooler which for some *weird* reason most of the
> population do.
>
> The term "pickup" and "ute" however I get the shites in the same
> way as intercooler and aftercooler.
>
> Ie: "I'm gunna install an intercooler on me Hilux ute" is totally
> wrong and does not work for me as:
>
> "I'm gunna install an aftercooler on me Hilux pickup" would work for
> me. Speaking of which I should be looking into.
>
Yes, the term utility strictly applies to sedan based vehicles - but a
pickup truck (another American term, albeit no longer a neologism) strictly
speaking refers to a vehicle having fixed sides on the rear body, whereas
the majority of vehicles referred to as "utes" today are flat tray vehicles
and hence, if you want to be strict, pickup is no more accurate than ute.
On the aftercooler issue I agree with you - but I think you have even less
chance of changing this usage than you have of stopping people referring to
their light traytops as utes.
JD

[Ext User(Just JT)]

"D Walford" <walford@iprimus.com.au> wrote:
>>
> Your comment is ridiculous, a V8 on LPG gets you the best of both worlds,
> good performance and towing ability but still cheap to run.
~~~~~~~~~~~
I reckon diesel would provide more torque for towing.

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[Ext User(Just JT)]

"D Walford" <walford@iprimus.com.au> wrote:
>>
> Not one of those vehicles is an SUV because they don't fit the
> description.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Which car will fit the description of an SUV?

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