installing a VK engine in a HZ

[Ext User(Benny)]

hey all
i was wondering if someone could help me out
i am going to rebuild a hotter engine to install in my HZ sedan
i was thinking of using the VKEFi engine and run it on unleaded
would anyone be able to help me as to the difficulties i might
encounter
thanks heaps
ben

[Ext User(Clockmeister)]

"Benny" <ben.mcwhirter@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> hey all
> i was wondering if someone could help me out
> i am going to rebuild a hotter engine to install in my HZ sedan
> i was thinking of using the VKEFi engine and run it on unleaded
> would anyone be able to help me as to the difficulties i might
> encounter

Forget that piece of crap, put a V8 in the HZ if you are going to replace
the engine.

[Ext User(Brenden Will)]

He could be talking about a VK V8?
"Clockmeister" <no-one@nowhere.com> wrote in message
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> "Benny" <ben.mcwhirter@gmail.com> wrote in message
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>> hey all
>> i was wondering if someone could help me out
>> i am going to rebuild a hotter engine to install in my HZ sedan
>> i was thinking of using the VKEFi engine and run it on unleaded
>> would anyone be able to help me as to the difficulties i might
>> encounter
>
> Forget that piece of crap, put a V8 in the HZ if you are going to replace
> the engine.
>
>
>

[Ext User(a9x5l)]

On Sun, 30 Jul 2006 16:37:56 +1000, Brenden Will wrote:

> He could be talking about a VK V8?

He said EFI, no such V8 in a VK.

BTW, I agree with Clocky.

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[Ext User(Benny)]

> Forget that piece of crap, put a V8 in the HZ if you are going to replace
> the engine.




yeah i wish i could install a V8
but since i am on my P's
I am not aloud to drive one
so i thought i would just modify a 202 instead

[Ext User(John_H)]

Brenden Will wrote:
>
>He could be talking about a VK V8?

The very rare VK EFI V8 no doubt! :))

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John H

[Ext User(D Walford)]

Benny wrote:
>> Forget that piece of crap, put a V8 in the HZ if you are going to replace
>> the engine.
>
>
>
>
> yeah i wish i could install a V8
> but since i am on my P's
> I am not aloud to drive one
> so i thought i would just modify a 202 instead
>
Much better to modify the original engine, the black 202's are no
improvement on what you already have and aren't worth the trouble.
LPG would also be a good idea.


Daryl

[Ext User(Clockmeister)]

"Benny" <ben.mcwhirter@gmail.com> wrote in message
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>> Forget that piece of crap, put a V8 in the HZ if you are going to replace
>> the engine.
>
>
>
>
> yeah i wish i could install a V8
> but since i am on my P's
> I am not aloud to drive one
> so i thought i would just modify a 202 instead
>

It's probably not overly difficult to put a Commodore V6 in a HZ, or else
just do up the original motor as they can be made to go reasonably well with
a few performance mods. Since they are simple you can do a lot yourself and
learn the basics in the process.

Having said that, a slightly modified Excel will probably leave your
modified L6 HZ for dead ;-)

[Ext User(Reaper)]

"Benny" <ben.mcwhirter@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> hey all
> i was wondering if someone could help me out
> i am going to rebuild a hotter engine to install in my HZ sedan
> i was thinking of using the VKEFi engine and run it on unleaded
> would anyone be able to help me as to the difficulties i might
> encounter

Save yourself a lot of grief. Go build a mild 308, whack it on gas.

Reaper

[Ext User(Reaper)]

"Brenden Will" <brenx@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> He could be talking about a VK V8?
> "Clockmeister" <no-one@nowhere.com> wrote in message
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>>
>> "Benny" <ben.mcwhirter@gmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:1154239786.820227.241150@m79g2000cwm.googlegr oups.com...
>>> hey all
>>> i was wondering if someone could help me out
>>> i am going to rebuild a hotter engine to install in my HZ sedan
>>> i was thinking of using the VKEFi engine and run it on unleaded

Never seen a stock EFI VK 30X.

Reaper

[Ext User(Noddy)]

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> Forget that piece of crap, put a V8 in the HZ if you are going to replace
> the engine.

Agreed.

Replacing the red motor for a black VK engine is a lot of work for no
difference at all.

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Regards,
Noddy.

[Ext User(matt vk3zmw)]

Benny wrote:
> hey all
> i was wondering if someone could help me out
> i am going to rebuild a hotter engine to install in my HZ sedan
> i was thinking of using the VKEFi engine and run it on unleaded
> would anyone be able to help me as to the difficulties i might
> encounter
> thanks heaps
> ben
>

Sure, the EFI will go in easy enough and in standard trim the EFI motor
made more power than the blue 253 (hence the 253 got discontinued), but
it will still need to be modified to run on unleaded. Bear in mind that
this was why Holden ceased the 202 for the VL and went with the Nissan
motor. The cost of re-engineering and re-tooling to make unleaded-happy
202's was too high. Fortunately, all you need to do nowadays is to fit a
remade-for-LPG head onto it.

Thing is, 202EFI's aren't exactly common, so unless you already have a
known good one lined up cheap, I'd be more inclined to go with the
following:

1. Complete VN+ V6 motor. way more power in stock form than a streetable
'hot' L6, cheaper, more plentiful plus its already designed for
unleaded. All you need are custom engine mounts, a new exhaust system
and electric fuel pump mounted at the tank.

2. A 253, preferably blue. AFAIK this is still a legal option for
P-platers in any state. Sure it didn't have the same peak power as the
202EFI, but it had better torque, the more important for a car as heavy
as a HZ. Plenty of hot-up parts from its bigger brother plus the ability
to look 'stock' will reduce unwanted attention from the plod. Rego is
simple as it was an original-option engine. For unleaded, all you will
need are the hardened valve-seat-inserts in the heads as per LPG.

I'm assuming it has a stock red 202 in it at the moment, yes?

[Ext User(Benny)]

matt vk3zmw wrote:
> Benny wrote:
> > hey all
> > i was wondering if someone could help me out
> > i am going to rebuild a hotter engine to install in my HZ sedan
> > i was thinking of using the VKEFi engine and run it on unleaded
> > would anyone be able to help me as to the difficulties i might
> > encounter
> > thanks heaps
> > ben
> >
>
> Sure, the EFI will go in easy enough and in standard trim the EFI motor
> made more power than the blue 253 (hence the 253 got discontinued), but
> it will still need to be modified to run on unleaded. Bear in mind that
> this was why Holden ceased the 202 for the VL and went with the Nissan
> motor. The cost of re-engineering and re-tooling to make unleaded-happy
> 202's was too high. Fortunately, all you need to do nowadays is to fit a
> remade-for-LPG head onto it.
>
> Thing is, 202EFI's aren't exactly common, so unless you already have a
> known good one lined up cheap, I'd be more inclined to go with the
> following:
>
> 1. Complete VN+ V6 motor. way more power in stock form than a streetable
> 'hot' L6, cheaper, more plentiful plus its already designed for
> unleaded. All you need are custom engine mounts, a new exhaust system
> and electric fuel pump mounted at the tank.
>
> 2. A 253, preferably blue. AFAIK this is still a legal option for
> P-platers in any state. Sure it didn't have the same peak power as the
> 202EFI, but it had better torque, the more important for a car as heavy
> as a HZ. Plenty of hot-up parts from its bigger brother plus the ability
> to look 'stock' will reduce unwanted attention from the plod. Rego is
> simple as it was an original-option engine. For unleaded, all you will
> need are the hardened valve-seat-inserts in the heads as per LPG.
>
> I'm assuming it has a stock red 202 in it at the moment, yes?

yeah
the stock red 202 in it at the moment
is stuffed
it drinks 4 litres of oil per tank of juice
and has almost no compression
it is extremly hard to start and has no power
i wanted to install a VN V6 but i would require an engineers
certificate
which i was told i couldnt drive on my P's
i thought i wasnt alowed to drive any V8's on my P's
i will look into that
anyway
thanks for your help
i now know not to worry about installing a black VK engine
i will keep looking into what i can do

[Ext User(2ofdem)]

There are so many better options for similar $$ and effort.

[Ext User(Jason James)]

"Benny" <ben.mcwhirter@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> > Forget that piece of crap, put a V8 in the HZ if you are going to
replace
> > the engine.
>
>
>
>
> yeah i wish i could install a V8
> but since i am on my P's
> I am not aloud to drive one
> so i thought i would just modify a 202 instead

The VK Commodores we had at work were the most gutless versions of the
Holden 6 engines. They had appaling fuel economy. The rare EFI versions may
be a little more powerful, but I doubt the veracity of the engine change
even then, unless you change the cam, and essentiallly return it to red
motor specs,..which begs the question: why do it if you can get a red motor?

Jason

[Ext User(Clockmeister)]

"Jason James" <home@work.1.0> wrote in message
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> "Benny" <ben.mcwhirter@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:1154241859.653471.107330@m79g2000cwm.googlegr oups.com...
>> > Forget that piece of crap, put a V8 in the HZ if you are going to
> replace
>> > the engine.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> yeah i wish i could install a V8
>> but since i am on my P's
>> I am not aloud to drive one
>> so i thought i would just modify a 202 instead
>
> The VK Commodores we had at work were the most gutless versions of the
> Holden 6 engines. They had appaling fuel economy. The rare EFI versions
> may
> be a little more powerful, but I doubt the veracity of the engine change
> even then, unless you change the cam, and essentiallly return it to red
> motor specs,..which begs the question: why do it if you can get a red
> motor?
>

The VK injected had as much go as a 253, IOW still not worth the bother.

[Ext User(Jason James)]

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> "Jason James" <home@work.1.0> wrote in message
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> > "Benny" <ben.mcwhirter@gmail.com> wrote in message
> > news:1154241859.653471.107330@m79g2000cwm.googlegr oups.com...
> >> > Forget that piece of crap, put a V8 in the HZ if you are going to
> > replace
> >> > the engine.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> yeah i wish i could install a V8
> >> but since i am on my P's
> >> I am not aloud to drive one
> >> so i thought i would just modify a 202 instead
> >
> > The VK Commodores we had at work were the most gutless versions of the
> > Holden 6 engines. They had appaling fuel economy. The rare EFI versions
> > may
> > be a little more powerful, but I doubt the veracity of the engine change
> > even then, unless you change the cam, and essentiallly return it to red
> > motor specs,..which begs the question: why do it if you can get a red
> > motor?
> >
>
> The VK injected had as much go as a 253, IOW still not worth the bother.

Really? Surprising all the same,..

Jason

[VYBerlinaV8]

Forget a VK engine. Either get your existing 202 rebuilt to higher specs, or get an exchange motor rebuilt to better specs.

To get significant gains from stock, all you need to do is get you motor rebuilt with better heads (perhaps the old yella terra stage 2?), better carb (go a holley or equivalent, 350-400 cfm), decent manifolds, decent headers and larger single exhaust. Put a slightly warmer cam in if you're feeling adventurous. Perhaps go electronic ignition.

If your old engine is stuffed, then this is the perfect opportunity. It won't actually cost much more than standard to go for some or all of these things (maybe a grand extra?). You won't need engineering certs or any of that crap, either. Find a few engine rebuilders and tell them what you want to do, and get some quotes.

Then, you will have a car with a new engine that should go for years, will give better performance than you have now, and should still return ok fuel economy. Just remember not to rev toooooo hard, it's only a red six!

[Ext User(Noddy)]

"Jason James" <home@work.1.0> wrote in message
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> Really? Surprising all the same,..

Not really.

253's were a fucking great heap of shit too :)

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Noddy.

[Ext User(Scotty)]

"Benny" <ben.mcwhirter@gmail.com> wrote in message
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>> Forget that piece of crap, put a V8 in the HZ if you are going to replace
>> the engine.
>
>
>
>
> yeah i wish i could install a V8
> but since i am on my P's
> I am not aloud to drive one
> so i thought i would just modify a 202 instead
>

And with that reply (Im on my Ps) yourve lost soo many readers. Grow up and
learn to drive first. Respect the vehicle and dont be pressured by ya mates
to drive fast, expect the unexpected, save ya cash for a nice cruiser a bit
later when ya can use a V8 properly.

Best of luck making it to 25.