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[Ext User(Thunnus Albacarus)]

I just received a very nice letter in the mail telling me Austar are
increasing their sub rate an additional $3.00 a month from the 20th of
July. (Mind you it was printed on the 20th of July.. nothing like forward
notification)

Is this because of Bob Downe's contract rate ? (KEY programming costs)

I would have liked to see a little something for the increase.

[Ext User(R1rob)]

You do, you get a push the red button icon on your screen on some channels
and guaranteed you WILL get more ads.

Rob

"Thunnus Albacarus" <ThunnusAlbacarus@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:Xns981187F999453ThunnusAlbacares@210.8.230.25 ...
>I just received a very nice letter in the mail telling me Austar are
> increasing their sub rate an additional $3.00 a month from the 20th of
> July. (Mind you it was printed on the 20th of July.. nothing like forward
> notification)
>
> Is this because of Bob Downe's contract rate ? (KEY programming costs)
>
> I would have liked to see a little something for the increase.

[Ext User(Thunnus Albacarus)]

"R1rob" <r1robTAKE_THISOUT@hotmail.com> wrote in
news:44cd91c3@news.comindico.com.au:

> You do, you get a push the red button icon on your screen on some
> channels and guaranteed you WILL get more ads.
>
> Rob
>
> "Thunnus Albacarus" <ThunnusAlbacarus@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:Xns981187F999453ThunnusAlbacares@210.8.230.25 ...
>>I just received a very nice letter in the mail telling me Austar are
>> increasing their sub rate an additional $3.00 a month from the 20th
>> of July. (Mind you it was printed on the 20th of July.. nothing like
>> forward notification)
>>
>> Is this because of Bob Downe's contract rate ? (KEY programming
>> costs)
>>
>> I would have liked to see a little something for the increase.
>
>
>

My Little red button doesn't seem to do anything ? except on Fox Sport it
shows me horrid screens. I see the press red to vote on some shows, but
if i press it nothing ?

(Might have to ring and complain, for $3.00 i want a red button that
works.

[Bocea]

"R1rob" <r1robTAKE_THISOUT@hotmail.com> wrote in
news:44cd91c3@news.comindico.com.au:

> You do, you get a push the red button icon on your screen on some
> channels and guaranteed you WILL get more ads.
>
> Rob
>
> "Thunnus Albacarus" <ThunnusAlbacarus@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:Xns981187F999453ThunnusAlbacares@210.8.230.25 ...
>>I just received a very nice letter in the mail telling me Austar are
>> increasing their sub rate an additional $3.00 a month from the 20th
>> of July. (Mind you it was printed on the 20th of July.. nothing like
>> forward notification)
>>
>> Is this because of Bob Downe's contract rate ? (KEY programming
>> costs)
>>
>> I would have liked to see a little something for the increase.
>
>
>

My Little red button doesn't seem to do anything ? except on Fox Sport it
shows me horrid screens. I see the press red to vote on some shows, but
if i press it nothing ?

(Might have to ring and complain, for $3.00 i want a red button that
works.

So I take it you will also have called your health fund and the government regarding petrol and the banks regarding interest rates. Why pick on pay tv because the call centre is accessable to you it is a fact of life that when basic costs go up it bounces to all other areas. PayTV is not a 'need to live' service or a charity we know it is there to make a profit and I think its a bit stupid to bleat about a fair enough rise in charges for something we want to have if we don't want it then dont have it.

[Ext User(Kirilenko)]

>So I take it you will also have called your health fund and the
>government regarding petrol and the banks regarding interest rates.

The banks aren't responsinle for interest rates - the RBA is and they
are forced to adjust them due to circumstances beyond their control.

The Government isn't responsible for petrol prices - the world oil
price is.

So they're hardly relevant.

[Ext User(Emjaye)]

Thunnus said....

> I just received a very nice letter in the mail telling me Austar are
> increasing their sub rate an additional $3.00 a month from the 20th of
> July. (Mind you it was printed on the 20th of July.. nothing like
> forward notification)

At least YOU got a letter. We didn't even get that.

> I would have liked to see a little something for the increase.

Probably to help boost the end of year profits even further. It's doing
OK, thankyou very much, at the moment. Seems to be doing a lot better
than Foxtel too, and with probably a smaller demographic.

[Bocea]

>So I take it you will also have called your health fund and the
>government regarding petrol and the banks regarding interest rates.

The banks aren't responsinle for interest rates - the RBA is and they
are forced to adjust them due to circumstances beyond their control.

The Government isn't responsible for petrol prices - the world oil
price is.

So they're hardly relevant.

Thats the point lots of factors are built into price rises and businesses do not take them lightly. Though the government does have control over petrol prices as they can provide tax relief as the Qld government does, the world oil price only dictates the base rate and as far I am aware the RBA is a bank. It is also naive to think that the big banks have no input or influence with RBA as do the government.

The main thing I was trying to say is why would you call some poor CSS and be difficult about a red button which has never bothered you in the past just because you recieved a price rise which in todays economic environment is perfectly reasonable. If its too expensive for you drop a package or cancel your guide and you'll save the money.

I was not meaning to be rude and am sorry if it came across that way I just think sometimes people forget to seperate essential and non essential services.Profit organisations are answerable to shareholders and if they do not show a profit customers suffer in the long run, there wont be enough staff answering phones, no money spent on research and development and programming will be static. And lets face it if a business is not making money it will close and then we will have nothing.

[Ext User(Craig Welch)]

Kirilenko wrote:

> The banks aren't responsinle for interest rates - the RBA is and they
> are forced to adjust them due to circumstances beyond their control.

Why then aren't all bank interest rates the same?

> The Government isn't responsible for petrol prices - the world oil
> price is.

Given that the biggest single piece of the petrol price pie is
Government tax, the Government has a large degree of control over
petrol prices.

--
Craig

[Ext User(Kirilenko)]

On Sun, 06 Aug 2006 11:22:22 GMT, Craig Welch <craig@pacific.net.sg>
wrote:

>Kirilenko wrote:
>
>> The banks aren't responsinle for interest rates - the RBA is and they
>> are forced to adjust them due to circumstances beyond their control.
>
>Why then aren't all bank interest rates the same?

They can never be lo

>> The Government isn't responsible for petrol prices - the world oil
>> price is.
>
>Given that the biggest single piece of the petrol price pie is
>Government tax, the Government has a large degree of control over
>petrol prices.

That's crap.

There is around 50c a litre in tax in petrol - hardly the biggest
slice.

[Ext User(Thunnus Albacarus)]

Kirilenko <somewhere@outthere.com> wrote in
news:qvlbd2tq15l9l4cjiarc2e2q012klkh68g@4ax.com:

> On Sun, 06 Aug 2006 11:22:22 GMT, Craig Welch <craig@pacific.net.sg>
> wrote:
>
>>Kirilenko wrote:
>>
>>> The banks aren't responsinle for interest rates - the RBA is and they
>>> are forced to adjust them due to circumstances beyond their control.
>>
>>Why then aren't all bank interest rates the same?
>
> They can never be lo
>
>>> The Government isn't responsible for petrol prices - the world oil
>>> price is.
>>
>>Given that the biggest single piece of the petrol price pie is
>>Government tax, the Government has a large degree of control over
>>petrol prices.
>
> That's crap.
>
> There is around 50c a litre in tax in petrol - hardly the biggest
> slice.
>

May be the biggest single slice ?

Anyone know the actual breakdown of the price ?

[Ext User(googlegroups@sensation.net.au)]

Kirilenko wrote:
> On Sun, 06 Aug 2006 11:22:22 GMT, Craig Welch <craig@pacific.net.sg>
> wrote:
> >Given that the biggest single piece of the petrol price pie is
> >Government tax, the Government has a large degree of control over
> >petrol prices.
>
> That's crap.
>
> There is around 50c a litre in tax in petrol - hardly the biggest
> slice.

How much (in net terms) do you think it takes to collect that 50c and
feed it into the government coffers, versus the cost recovery involved
in acquiring oil and manufacturing the petrol?

Does that 50c include the double-dipping GST tax on tax?

[Ext User(Kirilenko)]

On 7 Aug 2006 06:43:20 -0700, googlegroups@sensation.net.au wrote:

>Kirilenko wrote:
>> On Sun, 06 Aug 2006 11:22:22 GMT, Craig Welch <craig@pacific.net.sg>
>> wrote:
>> >Given that the biggest single piece of the petrol price pie is
>> >Government tax, the Government has a large degree of control over
>> >petrol prices.
>>
>> That's crap.
>>
>> There is around 50c a litre in tax in petrol - hardly the biggest
>> slice.
>
>How much (in net terms) do you think it takes to collect that 50c and
>feed it into the government coffers, versus the cost recovery involved
>in acquiring oil and manufacturing the petrol?
>
>Does that 50c include the double-dipping GST tax on tax?

It's not hard to work out

38c excise

Approx cost at the moment is $1.30 which includes 13c GST. 38c+13c =
51c

[Ext User(googlegroups@sensation.net.au)]

Kirilenko wrote:
> On 7 Aug 2006 06:43:20 -0700, googlegroups@sensation.net.au wrote:
>
> >Kirilenko wrote:
> >> On Sun, 06 Aug 2006 11:22:22 GMT, Craig Welch <craig@pacific.net.sg>
> >> wrote:
> >> >Given that the biggest single piece of the petrol price pie is
> >> >Government tax, the Government has a large degree of control over
> >> >petrol prices.
> >>
> >> That's crap.
> >>
> >> There is around 50c a litre in tax in petrol - hardly the biggest
> >> slice.
> >
> >How much (in net terms) do you think it takes to collect that 50c and
> >feed it into the government coffers, versus the cost recovery involved
> >in acquiring oil and manufacturing the petrol?
> >
> >Does that 50c include the double-dipping GST tax on tax?
>
> It's not hard to work out
>
> 38c excise
>
> Approx cost at the moment is $1.30 which includes 13c GST. 38c+13c =
> 51c

You avoided answering my first question. Do you think all of the money
that goes to the distributor is pure profit? The govt does get the
largest net slice.

[Ext User(Kirilenko)]

On 7 Aug 2006 17:48:02 -0700, googlegroups@sensation.net.au wrote:

>
>Kirilenko wrote:
>> On 7 Aug 2006 06:43:20 -0700, googlegroups@sensation.net.au wrote:
>>
>> >Kirilenko wrote:
>> >> On Sun, 06 Aug 2006 11:22:22 GMT, Craig Welch <craig@pacific.net.sg>
>> >> wrote:
>> >> >Given that the biggest single piece of the petrol price pie is
>> >> >Government tax, the Government has a large degree of control over
>> >> >petrol prices.
>> >>
>> >> That's crap.
>> >>
>> >> There is around 50c a litre in tax in petrol - hardly the biggest
>> >> slice.
>> >
>> >How much (in net terms) do you think it takes to collect that 50c and
>> >feed it into the government coffers, versus the cost recovery involved
>> >in acquiring oil and manufacturing the petrol?
>> >
>> >Does that 50c include the double-dipping GST tax on tax?
>>
>> It's not hard to work out
>>
>> 38c excise
>>
>> Approx cost at the moment is $1.30 which includes 13c GST. 38c+13c =
>> 51c
>
>You avoided answering my first question. Do you think all of the money
>that goes to the distributor is pure profit? The govt does get the
>largest net slice.

No they don't

The oil companies get the largest stake, The government the 2nd
largest stake, and the service station the smallest stake.

[Ext User(googlegroups@sensation.net.au)]

Kirilenko wrote:
> On 7 Aug 2006 17:48:02 -0700, googlegroups@sensation.net.au wrote:
>
> >
> >Kirilenko wrote:
> >> On 7 Aug 2006 06:43:20 -0700, googlegroups@sensation.net.au wrote:
> >>
> >> >Kirilenko wrote:
> >> >> On Sun, 06 Aug 2006 11:22:22 GMT, Craig Welch <craig@pacific.net.sg>
> >> >> wrote:
> >> >> >Given that the biggest single piece of the petrol price pie is
> >> >> >Government tax, the Government has a large degree of control over
> >> >> >petrol prices.
> >> >>
> >> >> That's crap.
> >> >>
> >> >> There is around 50c a litre in tax in petrol - hardly the biggest
> >> >> slice.
> >> >
> >> >How much (in net terms) do you think it takes to collect that 50c and
> >> >feed it into the government coffers, versus the cost recovery involved
> >> >in acquiring oil and manufacturing the petrol?
> >> >
> >> >Does that 50c include the double-dipping GST tax on tax?
> >>
> >> It's not hard to work out
> >>
> >> 38c excise
> >>
> >> Approx cost at the moment is $1.30 which includes 13c GST. 38c+13c =
> >> 51c
> >
> >You avoided answering my first question. Do you think all of the money
> >that goes to the distributor is pure profit? The govt does get the
> >largest net slice.
>
> No they don't
>
> The oil companies get the largest stake, The government the 2nd
> largest stake, and the service station the smallest stake.

You're talking gross, I'm talking net. How much of the 51c do you think
it costs the government to collect it? After costs the govt gets the
biggest portion.