Hybrid LPG

[Ext User(norak)]

A normal sedan on petrol has average fuel efficient of about 10
L/100km, but using LPG with the same level of efficient you can expect
to pay at most 50% of what you'd pay with petrol.

With hybrid cars fuel efficiency is on average about 5L/100km, so
likewise you save 50%

If a carmaker put LPG and hybrid together then wouldn't the result be
car that costs 25% of a normal petrol car?

[Ext User(Jason James)]

"norak" <k.norak@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> A normal sedan on petrol has average fuel efficient of about 10
> L/100km, but using LPG with the same level of efficient you can expect
> to pay at most 50% of what you'd pay with petrol.
>
> With hybrid cars fuel efficiency is on average about 5L/100km, so
> likewise you save 50%
>
> If a carmaker put LPG and hybrid together then wouldn't the result be
> car that costs 25% of a normal petrol car?

In theory yes, but there is a slight power loss with lpg which would reduce
that 50% to about 35% plus you need to find space and weight handling for
the gas-bottle in a car which already has a large bank of batteries to lug
around.

Jason

[Ext User(Just JT)]

"norak" <k.norak@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> If a carmaker put LPG and hybrid together then wouldn't the result be
> car that costs 25% of a normal petrol car?
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Only in Aus where there is a price advantage with LPG. But our local
manufacturers are also eyeing the Middle East for export. LPG hybrids, or
whatever hybrids for that matter, won't sell there.

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[Ext User(the_dawg)]

Jason James wrote:

> "norak" <k.norak@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:1154332639.325857.215700@h48g2000cwc.googlegr oups.com...

> > A normal sedan on petrol has average fuel efficient of about 10
> > L/100km, but using LPG with the same level of efficient you can expect
> > to pay at most 50% of what you'd pay with petrol.
> >
> > With hybrid cars fuel efficiency is on average about 5L/100km, so
> > likewise you save 50%
> >
> > If a carmaker put LPG and hybrid together then wouldn't the result be
> > car that costs 25% of a normal petrol car?
>
> In theory yes, but there is a slight power loss with lpg which would reduce
> that 50% to about 35% plus you need to find space and weight handling for
> the gas-bottle in a car which already has a large bank of batteries to lug
> around.

Yup, that is very much my feeling too. As mentioned though LPG pricing
is artifical, so while it works ATM, fairly meaningless - GovCo (or
OilCo
behind the scenes) could change the tax/pricing on it at their whim.
I'm
sure if a lot of folk went for it, GovCo/OilCo would get the total
shites and
tax or price the feck out of it accordingly.

At the end of the day, the fuel has to provide enough energy to run a
motor vehicle. Some fuels are better than others on that based on
energy
content per volume.

Price per volume is related to that, however if so desired it's
ferpectly
possible to charge whatever folk will pay over it.

If RTACo are able to charge a yearly fee on personal plates of up to
$500
for just displaying a sequence of characters, or OSRCo just increase
land
tax by a huge amount because they feel like it - would not trust what
they
could to to fuel pricing if they so felt like it.

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The_trick_is_to_find_your_own_fuel_source_(biodies el).

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[Ext User(John McKenzie)]

norak wrote:
>
> A normal sedan on petrol has average fuel efficient of about 10
> L/100km, but using LPG with the same level of efficient you can expect
> to pay at most 50% of what you'd pay with petrol.
>
> With hybrid cars fuel efficiency is on average about 5L/100km, so
> likewise you save 50%
>
> If a carmaker put LPG and hybrid together then wouldn't the result be
> car that costs 25% of a normal petrol car?

If (and it's a big if) it was only lpg powered (the internal combustion
'part' of it's powerplant) and was optimised for lpg use then yes. I
doub't too many manufacturers will do it however.

On the other hand, one might look into the amount of pollution created
by the manufacture of a new car (even a hybrid) and compare that with
the option of properly maintaining an existing car, or converting it to
straight lpg (which will tend to double the engine longevity btw in some
cases, and worse case will extend it by a decent margin, 30% or so) and
the emissions total it would create. And the cost.

I must admit I love old cars, and i do run them almost without exception
on straight lpg. But I'd do that as much for the saving as any
environmental issue (or put another way, if petrol was half the price
overnight, and lpg didn't drop, I'd probably be less inclined to go to
straight lpg, but I do like the engine longevity side of things)


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[Ext User(Noddy)]

"Just JT" <JohnnyThor@Hotmale.Com> wrote in message
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> Only in Aus where there is a price advantage with LPG. But our local
> manufacturers are also eyeing the Middle East for export. LPG hybrids, or
> whatever hybrids for that matter, won't sell there.

LPG has a price advantage in any market it's sold in.

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[Ext User(norak)]

> > Only in Aus where there is a price advantage with LPG. But our local
> > manufacturers are also eyeing the Middle East for export. LPG hybrids, or
> > whatever hybrids for that matter, won't sell there.

LPG is more expensive in the Middle-East? If so, how much would it cost
to transport one litre of LPG from Australia to the Middle-East? If it
is less than the per litre price difference we can all be billionaires
tomorrow.

[Ext User(Just JT)]

"norak" <k.norak@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > Only in Aus where there is a price advantage with LPG. But our local
>> > manufacturers are also eyeing the Middle East for export. LPG hybrids,
>> > or
>> > whatever hybrids for that matter, won't sell there.
>
> LPG is more expensive in the Middle-East? If so, how much would it cost
> to transport one litre of LPG from Australia to the Middle-East? If it
> is less than the per litre price difference we can all be billionaires
> tomorrow.
~~~~~~~~~~
Why would Middle Easterners import from Aus when they have the more
energy-for-the-buck fuels?

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Let's.keep.our.lpg.at.home

[Ext User(Andy)]

norak wrote:
>>>Only in Aus where there is a price advantage with LPG. But our local
>>>manufacturers are also eyeing the Middle East for export. LPG hybrids, or
>>>whatever hybrids for that matter, won't sell there.
>
>
> LPG is more expensive in the Middle-East? If so, how much would it cost
> to transport one litre of LPG from Australia to the Middle-East? If it
> is less than the per litre price difference we can all be billionaires
> tomorrow.
>

I seem to recall that petrol sells for around 4-10c per litre over
there. Not much point really.

Cheers,

Andy. (The other Andy.)

[Ext User(Noddy)]

"norak" <k.norak@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> LPG is more expensive in the Middle-East? If so, how much would it cost
> to transport one litre of LPG from Australia to the Middle-East? If it
> is less than the per litre price difference we can all be billionaires
> tomorrow.

We're already exporting LPG to countries like Japan in huge quantities.

Lpg is unlikely to be in any sort of demand in places where petrol is
already ridiculously cheap.

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Regards,
Noddy.