Top Gear: Dream Cars

[Ext User(Marco)]

Was watching Top Gear on SBS last night, and it was the episode where
two of the three guys get their dream cars - Jeremy gets his Ford GT
and Richard bought himself a Morgan (why?).

But it made me realise that I don't actually have a 'dream car', and
I'm not sure that I have ever actually had one. I'm not really sure
why this is - I just look at all the high-dollar, mega-performance
stuff out there and none of it really grabs me in a big way. In fact,
the closest I probably come to a dream car is the Commodore SS I want
to buy sometime in the next 3 years or so, and while that's a nice car
that I wish I owned, it doesn't really fit the 'dream car' bill, does
it?

Consider what's out there. Ferraris? No, they look crap these days
and cost way too much, plus there's the 'wanker' stigma and you'd never
really be able to drive it anywhere. Porsches? Boring, have looked
the same for years, plus the whole rear-engined thing doesn't work for
me (if I want a dream car, it's not going to start with a fundamental
'laws of physics' deficiency). Maserati? I used to really like the
3200GT but it's starting to look out of date now. Maybe the new one
will do it for me. Aston? That could be something, the Vantage is one
hell of a sweet looking car that goes very well and better yet, Astons
don't have the image problem of Ferraris and Porsches - ie, not as well
known which is a good thing.

What else is there?

Assuming the 'dream car' isn't something you'd want to use as a daily
driver (and really, would you drive your Aston down to Woolies?), my
dream car would be something along these lines.

Focused on performance. Starting with lightweight construction -
aluminium and composites everywhere. Mid engined (front engined would
be okay with good weight distribution though) and rear or all-wheel
drive. Probably powered by a V8 of somewhere around the 3 litre mark
to keep the weight and physical size down, but maybe with some sort of
forced induction. (V8 for the sound more than anything else). Top of
the line brakes and the best of the best in suspension. Realistically
no more than two seats - you aren't going to take three friends with
you when you're out driving for fun. Wouldn't need to have the latest
in electronic gadgetry inside - just an excellent sound system,
comfortable but supportive seats, good carpet and trim, sat-nav, cruise
control and air con. Everything else would detract from the 'driving
for pleasure' thing. Targa roof so you could let the wind and sun in
without being totally exposed. Styled to look amazing, with cool
detailing and a great shape, but also needs to be reasonably easy to
get in and out of, and sized for boofy Australian blokes like myself.
And all the safety gear - airbags aplenty, ABS, ESP etc so it's not a
handful to drive a la TVR.

(Actually, it sounds like what I'm describing is a bigger Lotus Elise
with a bit more comfort, or a modern day Toyota MR2 with more engine.
Wonder if the new Lotus Europa fits this bill?).

What would you guys buy or design?

Marco

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"Marco" <rbgemini@iprimus.com.au> wrote in message
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> What would you guys buy or design?

For mine, it'll always be the original Ford GT40.

One of the sexiest cars ever built, and with quite outstanding performance.
Maybe one day I'll build a replica, unless I get started on a nice Rod.

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[Ext User(Trevor Wilson)]

"Marco" <rbgemini@iprimus.com.au> wrote in message
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> Was watching Top Gear on SBS last night, and it was the episode where
> two of the three guys get their dream cars - Jeremy gets his Ford GT
> and Richard bought himself a Morgan (why?).
>
> But it made me realise that I don't actually have a 'dream car', and
> I'm not sure that I have ever actually had one. I'm not really sure
> why this is - I just look at all the high-dollar, mega-performance
> stuff out there and none of it really grabs me in a big way. In fact,
> the closest I probably come to a dream car is the Commodore SS I want
> to buy sometime in the next 3 years or so, and while that's a nice car
> that I wish I owned, it doesn't really fit the 'dream car' bill, does
> it?
>
> Consider what's out there. Ferraris? No, they look crap these days
> and cost way too much, plus there's the 'wanker' stigma and you'd never
> really be able to drive it anywhere. Porsches? Boring, have looked
> the same for years, plus the whole rear-engined thing doesn't work for
> me (if I want a dream car, it's not going to start with a fundamental
> 'laws of physics' deficiency). Maserati? I used to really like the
> 3200GT but it's starting to look out of date now. Maybe the new one
> will do it for me. Aston? That could be something, the Vantage is one
> hell of a sweet looking car that goes very well and better yet, Astons
> don't have the image problem of Ferraris and Porsches - ie, not as well
> known which is a good thing.
>
> What else is there?
>
> Assuming the 'dream car' isn't something you'd want to use as a daily
> driver (and really, would you drive your Aston down to Woolies?), my
> dream car would be something along these lines.
>
> Focused on performance. Starting with lightweight construction -
> aluminium and composites everywhere. Mid engined (front engined would
> be okay with good weight distribution though) and rear or all-wheel
> drive. Probably powered by a V8 of somewhere around the 3 litre mark
> to keep the weight and physical size down, but maybe with some sort of
> forced induction. (V8 for the sound more than anything else). Top of
> the line brakes and the best of the best in suspension. Realistically
> no more than two seats - you aren't going to take three friends with
> you when you're out driving for fun. Wouldn't need to have the latest
> in electronic gadgetry inside - just an excellent sound system,
> comfortable but supportive seats, good carpet and trim, sat-nav, cruise
> control and air con. Everything else would detract from the 'driving
> for pleasure' thing. Targa roof so you could let the wind and sun in
> without being totally exposed. Styled to look amazing, with cool
> detailing and a great shape, but also needs to be reasonably easy to
> get in and out of, and sized for boofy Australian blokes like myself.
> And all the safety gear - airbags aplenty, ABS, ESP etc so it's not a
> handful to drive a la TVR.
>
> (Actually, it sounds like what I'm describing is a bigger Lotus Elise
> with a bit more comfort, or a modern day Toyota MR2 with more engine.
> Wonder if the new Lotus Europa fits this bill?).
>
> What would you guys buy or design?

**Have you ever driven a Porsche? I doubt it. I've driven some nice cars,
over the years, but an air cooled Porsche is, IMO, so far and away the most
exciting automobile I've ever driven that the others don't even come close.
Not that there are other vehicles which offer possibly better dynamics -
there are. It's just that air cooled Porsches are so damned exciting. It's
the only word for it. Even better, they're boringly reliable and can be
driven in traffic, without breaking down. They're also noisy, heavy
(steering), weird gearbox, and harsh. Last year, I drove a mate's new SL500
Benz (I'd love to try the SL55). I must say that I was really excited at the
prospect, but the reality was that it felt like a Benz sedan. Which is to
say, competent, reasonably powerful and smooth. No excitement though. Mind
you: A brilliant car for picking up women in. You could have a face like a
smashed plate and still score with an SL500. Same deal (without the picking
up women thing) with WRXs. Competent, fast, powerful, but nothing like a
(air cooled) Porsche. Another mate has a Ferrari (420). His last Ferrari was
a 360 and he took me for a spin. It felt amazing from the passenger seat (he
won't let me drive it), so the Ferrari could be worth a look in. Provided
you don't mind putting your hand in your pocket. A lot. I do agree that the
Aston Martin is breathtakingly gorgeous to look at.

So, have you ever driven a Porsche?


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[Ext User(Ben Thomas)]

Marco wrote:
> Was watching Top Gear on SBS last night, and it was the episode where
> two of the three guys get their dream cars - Jeremy gets his Ford GT
> and Richard bought himself a Morgan (why?).
>
> But it made me realise that I don't actually have a 'dream car', and
> I'm not sure that I have ever actually had one. I'm not really sure
> why this is - I just look at all the high-dollar, mega-performance
> stuff out there and none of it really grabs me in a big way. In fact,
> the closest I probably come to a dream car is the Commodore SS I want
> to buy sometime in the next 3 years or so, and while that's a nice car
> that I wish I owned, it doesn't really fit the 'dream car' bill, does
> it?
>
> Consider what's out there. Ferraris? No, they look crap these days
> and cost way too much, plus there's the 'wanker' stigma and you'd never
> really be able to drive it anywhere. Porsches? Boring, have looked
> the same for years, plus the whole rear-engined thing doesn't work for
> me (if I want a dream car, it's not going to start with a fundamental
> 'laws of physics' deficiency). Maserati? I used to really like the
> 3200GT but it's starting to look out of date now. Maybe the new one
> will do it for me. Aston? That could be something, the Vantage is one
> hell of a sweet looking car that goes very well and better yet, Astons
> don't have the image problem of Ferraris and Porsches - ie, not as well
> known which is a good thing.
>
> What else is there?

There is nothing but the Lamboughini Diablo. Mercielago is pretty horn too.

Ben

[Ext User(Noddy)]

"Trevor Wilson" <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> wrote in message
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> So, have you ever driven a Porsche?

I've driven *plenty* of Porsche's, and I generally don't like them.

I ran my own service & repair business for many years, with the majority of
my work being fleet maintenance. However, for a while I had a service
contract with a former friend who was an exotic car broker, and I got to
work on a host of weird and wonderful machines like Porsches, Ferraris,
Aston Martins, Lamborghini's, and even oddball stuff like DeLoreans and the
odd kit car.

Firstly, as far as Porsches go, they certainly do have their strong points.
They are mostly very well built cars with a high degree of quality (there
are some exceptions though in the lower price "poverty pack models). All of
them without exception have absolutely *superb* brakes, and most of them
tend to be pretty reliable (again with the exception of the cheaper jobs).

What I *don't* like about them, and in particular the 911 type models, is
their appalling ergonomics.

The driving position in a 911 type Porsche is absolutely *terrible*, and one
that would be harder to purposely make worse in my opinion. The way the
steering wheel pokes out of the dash "straight at you" is shithouse, the
floor mounted pedals are absolutely crap, and the gear change feels just
like a Volkswagen. The right hand drive conversions of some are disgusting
with the steering chain under the dash and the rods running across the
floor.

They're also *very* noisy (I haven't been in anything built in the last 5
years though), hot, uncomfortable and ride like shit. Handling is peculiar,
and while the turbo 6 cylinder engines are very nice when on song, the lag
is woeful at times, and the knock sensors tend to over-react and pull all
the power out of the engine if there's a slight hiccup.

I'd also add that while they tend to be a reliable car, their reputation as
a "bullet proof" one is somewhat over rated.

Most Porsches tend to be very low mileage vehicles, even after quite some
time, and this gives a lot of people the false impression that they are
generally fault free and can withstand any form of abuse. They're certainly
not in the Ferrari league of unreliability, but they're a car just like any
other in that if you used one for regular stop-start city driving for a
number of years they will certainly suffer as a result.

They can also be broken just as easily as anything else, and I've seen a few
that have been.

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[Ext User(OzOne)]

On Mon, 31 Jul 2006 23:14:32 GMT, "Noddy" <dg4163@dodo.com.au>
scribbled thusly:

>
>"Trevor Wilson" <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> wrote in message
>news:44ce7aa4$0$9981
>
>> So, have you ever driven a Porsche?
>
>I've driven *plenty* of Porsche's, and I generally don't like them.
>
>I ran my own service & repair business for many years, with the majority of
>my work being fleet maintenance. However, for a while I had a service
>contract with a former friend who was an exotic car broker, and I got to
>work on a host of weird and wonderful machines like Porsches, Ferraris,
>Aston Martins, Lamborghini's, and even oddball stuff like DeLoreans and the
>odd kit car.
>
>Firstly, as far as Porsches go, they certainly do have their strong points.
>They are mostly very well built cars with a high degree of quality (there
>are some exceptions though in the lower price "poverty pack models). All of
>them without exception have absolutely *superb* brakes, and most of them
>tend to be pretty reliable (again with the exception of the cheaper jobs).
>
>What I *don't* like about them, and in particular the 911 type models, is
>their appalling ergonomics.
>
>The driving position in a 911 type Porsche is absolutely *terrible*, and one
>that would be harder to purposely make worse in my opinion. The way the
>steering wheel pokes out of the dash "straight at you" is shithouse, the
>floor mounted pedals are absolutely crap, and the gear change feels just
>like a Volkswagen. The right hand drive conversions of some are disgusting
>with the steering chain under the dash and the rods running across the
>floor.
>
>They're also *very* noisy (I haven't been in anything built in the last 5
>years though), hot, uncomfortable and ride like shit. Handling is peculiar,
>and while the turbo 6 cylinder engines are very nice when on song, the lag
>is woeful at times, and the knock sensors tend to over-react and pull all
>the power out of the engine if there's a slight hiccup.
>
>I'd also add that while they tend to be a reliable car, their reputation as
>a "bullet proof" one is somewhat over rated.
>
>Most Porsches tend to be very low mileage vehicles, even after quite some
>time, and this gives a lot of people the false impression that they are
>generally fault free and can withstand any form of abuse. They're certainly
>not in the Ferrari league of unreliability, but they're a car just like any
>other in that if you used one for regular stop-start city driving for a
>number of years they will certainly suffer as a result.
>
>They can also be broken just as easily as anything else, and I've seen a few
>that have been.

Exactly!!


Oz1...of the 3 twins.

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[Ext User(Marco)]

Trevor Wilson wrote:
>
> **Have you ever driven a Porsche? I doubt it. I've driven some nice cars,
> over the years, but an air cooled Porsche is, IMO, so far and away the most
> exciting automobile I've ever driven that the others don't even come close.
> Not that there are other vehicles which offer possibly better dynamics -
> there are. It's just that air cooled Porsches are so damned exciting. It's
> the only word for it. Even better, they're boringly reliable and can be
> driven in traffic, without breaking down. They're also noisy, heavy
> (steering), weird gearbox, and harsh. Last year, I drove a mate's new SL500
> Benz (I'd love to try the SL55). I must say that I was really excited at the
> prospect, but the reality was that it felt like a Benz sedan. Which is to
> say, competent, reasonably powerful and smooth. No excitement though. Mind
> you: A brilliant car for picking up women in. You could have a face like a
> smashed plate and still score with an SL500. Same deal (without the picking
> up women thing) with WRXs. Competent, fast, powerful, but nothing like a
> (air cooled) Porsche. Another mate has a Ferrari (420). His last Ferrari was
> a 360 and he took me for a spin. It felt amazing from the passenger seat (he
> won't let me drive it), so the Ferrari could be worth a look in. Provided
> you don't mind putting your hand in your pocket. A lot. I do agree that the
> Aston Martin is breathtakingly gorgeous to look at.
>
> So, have you ever driven a Porsche?

No, I've never driven a Porsche. In fact, the most expensive and most
powerful car I've driven was a VZ Monaro, so I'm a long way from having
real-world experience with any megadollar sports cars.

I just think that if I was going to spend megadollars on a car, it
would have to be basically perfect for what I wanted. A car that
starts with an obvious disadvantage in its dynamics fails that test.
I'm not interested because I don't want the possibility of a tail-happy
car with all its weight in the back - I'd want a fast car that I could
trust.

Marco

[Ext User(OzOne)]

On Mon, 31 Jul 2006 22:39:05 GMT, "Noddy" <dg4163@dodo.com.au>
scribbled thusly:

>
>"Marco" <rbgemini@iprimus.com.au> wrote in message
>news:1154384568.216102.85080@s13g2000cwa.googlegro ups.com...
>
>> What would you guys buy or design?
>
>For mine, it'll always be the original Ford GT40.
>
>One of the sexiest cars ever built, and with quite outstanding performance.
>Maybe one day I'll build a replica, unless I get started on a nice Rod.


Good choice.


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[Ext User(OzOne)]

On 31 Jul 2006 15:22:48 -0700, "Marco" <rbgemini@iprimus.com.au>
scribbled thusly:

>Was watching Top Gear on SBS last night, and it was the episode where
>two of the three guys get their dream cars - Jeremy gets his Ford GT
>and Richard bought himself a Morgan (why?).
>
Because Morgans are a treat to drive...really.

My choice, If I could ever get my hands on one..a Lancia Delta HF or
even an S4.


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"Noddy" <dg4163@dodo.com.au> wrote in message
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>
> "Marco" <rbgemini@iprimus.com.au> wrote in message
> news:1154384568.216102.85080@s13g2000cwa.googlegro ups.com...
>
>> What would you guys buy or design?
>
> For mine, it'll always be the original Ford GT40.
>
> One of the sexiest cars ever built, and with quite outstanding
> performance.

**Agreed. The closest I ever got was my old (twin Mabuchi 16D motored) Ford
GT40 slot car. I was particularly impressed with the way Ford GT40 stood up
during the test on Top Gear. For a 40 year old car, it was still up there
with the best.


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On 31 Jul 2006 16:21:12 -0700, "Marco" <rbgemini@iprimus.com.au>
scribbled thusly:

>No, I've never driven a Porsche. In fact, the most expensive and most
>powerful car I've driven was a VZ Monaro, so I'm a long way from having
>real-world experience with any megadollar sports cars.
>
>I just think that if I was going to spend megadollars on a car, it
>would have to be basically perfect for what I wanted. A car that
>starts with an obvious disadvantage in its dynamics fails that test.
>I'm not interested because I don't want the possibility of a tail-happy
>car with all its weight in the back - I'd want a fast car that I could
>trust.
>
>Marco

Any car that relies on monstrously lage rear tyres to make it
driveable is always suspect.


Oz1...of the 3 twins.

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[Ext User(veritas)]

I have to say, I found myself having wet dreams over the Merc that was featured a week or two
ago. :)





Marco wrote:
> Was watching Top Gear on SBS last night, and it was the episode where
> two of the three guys get their dream cars - Jeremy gets his Ford GT
> and Richard bought himself a Morgan (why?).
>
> But it made me realise that I don't actually have a 'dream car', and
> I'm not sure that I have ever actually had one. I'm not really sure
> why this is - I just look at all the high-dollar, mega-performance
> stuff out there and none of it really grabs me in a big way. In fact,
> the closest I probably come to a dream car is the Commodore SS I want
> to buy sometime in the next 3 years or so, and while that's a nice car
> that I wish I owned, it doesn't really fit the 'dream car' bill, does
> it?
>
> Consider what's out there. Ferraris? No, they look crap these days
> and cost way too much, plus there's the 'wanker' stigma and you'd never
> really be able to drive it anywhere. Porsches? Boring, have looked
> the same for years, plus the whole rear-engined thing doesn't work for
> me (if I want a dream car, it's not going to start with a fundamental
> 'laws of physics' deficiency). Maserati? I used to really like the
> 3200GT but it's starting to look out of date now. Maybe the new one
> will do it for me. Aston? That could be something, the Vantage is one
> hell of a sweet looking car that goes very well and better yet, Astons
> don't have the image problem of Ferraris and Porsches - ie, not as well
> known which is a good thing.
>
> What else is there?
>
> Assuming the 'dream car' isn't something you'd want to use as a daily
> driver (and really, would you drive your Aston down to Woolies?), my
> dream car would be something along these lines.
>
> Focused on performance. Starting with lightweight construction -
> aluminium and composites everywhere. Mid engined (front engined would
> be okay with good weight distribution though) and rear or all-wheel
> drive. Probably powered by a V8 of somewhere around the 3 litre mark
> to keep the weight and physical size down, but maybe with some sort of
> forced induction. (V8 for the sound more than anything else). Top of
> the line brakes and the best of the best in suspension. Realistically
> no more than two seats - you aren't going to take three friends with
> you when you're out driving for fun. Wouldn't need to have the latest
> in electronic gadgetry inside - just an excellent sound system,
> comfortable but supportive seats, good carpet and trim, sat-nav, cruise
> control and air con. Everything else would detract from the 'driving
> for pleasure' thing. Targa roof so you could let the wind and sun in
> without being totally exposed. Styled to look amazing, with cool
> detailing and a great shape, but also needs to be reasonably easy to
> get in and out of, and sized for boofy Australian blokes like myself.
> And all the safety gear - airbags aplenty, ABS, ESP etc so it's not a
> handful to drive a la TVR.
>
> (Actually, it sounds like what I'm describing is a bigger Lotus Elise
> with a bit more comfort, or a modern day Toyota MR2 with more engine.
> Wonder if the new Lotus Europa fits this bill?).
>
> What would you guys buy or design?
>
> Marco
>

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"Marco" <rbgemini@iprimus.com.au> wrote in message
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>
> Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>
>> **Have you ever driven a Porsche? I doubt it. I've driven some nice cars,
>> over the years, but an air cooled Porsche is, IMO, so far and away the
>> most
>> exciting automobile I've ever driven that the others don't even come
>> close.
>> Not that there are other vehicles which offer possibly better dynamics -
>> there are. It's just that air cooled Porsches are so damned exciting.
>> It's
>> the only word for it. Even better, they're boringly reliable and can be
>> driven in traffic, without breaking down. They're also noisy, heavy
>> (steering), weird gearbox, and harsh. Last year, I drove a mate's new
>> SL500
>> Benz (I'd love to try the SL55). I must say that I was really excited at
>> the
>> prospect, but the reality was that it felt like a Benz sedan. Which is to
>> say, competent, reasonably powerful and smooth. No excitement though.
>> Mind
>> you: A brilliant car for picking up women in. You could have a face like
>> a
>> smashed plate and still score with an SL500. Same deal (without the
>> picking
>> up women thing) with WRXs. Competent, fast, powerful, but nothing like a
>> (air cooled) Porsche. Another mate has a Ferrari (420). His last Ferrari
>> was
>> a 360 and he took me for a spin. It felt amazing from the passenger seat
>> (he
>> won't let me drive it), so the Ferrari could be worth a look in. Provided
>> you don't mind putting your hand in your pocket. A lot. I do agree that
>> the
>> Aston Martin is breathtakingly gorgeous to look at.
>>
>> So, have you ever driven a Porsche?
>
> No, I've never driven a Porsche. In fact, the most expensive and most
> powerful car I've driven was a VZ Monaro, so I'm a long way from having
> real-world experience with any megadollar sports cars.

**In reality, a 300kW Monaro is probably as quick as almost any Porsche. A
damned sight more predictable too. But that is not the point. I was speaking
about the excitement of driving a no holds-barred sports car. It can be a
rewarding experience.

>
> I just think that if I was going to spend megadollars on a car, it
> would have to be basically perfect for what I wanted. A car that
> starts with an obvious disadvantage in its dynamics fails that test.
> I'm not interested because I don't want the possibility of a tail-happy
> car with all its weight in the back - I'd want a fast car that I could
> trust.

**Anyone who loses a modern Porsche (in the dry) is just an idiot and
deserves to be dead. Although they do have unusual handling, at the limits,
those limits are very high indeed.


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Marco wrote:
> Was watching Top Gear on SBS last night, and it was the episode where
> two of the three guys get their dream cars - Jeremy gets his Ford GT
> and Richard bought himself a Morgan (why?).

I believe Jeremy RETURNED it to FaRt for a refund.It turned out to be a
pile of shit [With THAT badge what did you expect?]

>
> Consider what's out there. Ferraris? No, they look crap these days
> and cost way too much, plus there's the 'wanker' stigma and you'd never
> really be able to drive it anywhere.

U got to be joking, a Ferrari is sex on wheels, if you buy a Ferrari
you will have to keep it shut and closed to keep the girls out..They
want to be your *friend*.Mate of mine who sold his 355 [who is the
market for a F360 MANUAL only, if you know of one for sale contact me]
he is a ugly fuck and the girls [model material, no dogs/ferals] he
pulls in is because of_the_car is just outstanding work.

I have been in Ferrari's heaps of times [factory @ Maranello twice too]
and 3 times was with part_time_hobby racing car drivers, when you @
9/10ths+ [the speeds we where doing on public roads was insane] they
are in the zone and orgasmic, the sound, feel, smell, vibration
everything is a new experiece, and your like Maradonna everybody wants
to know/talk/touch you, yeap its a rock_star_trainer.

Another guy in St.Kilda has F430, drives it every day and leaves it out
in the streets most nights, yes you can use them as a daily drive not
just locked in the garage [thats a wank].Frankly i would live in it.

The only beef is they are super expensive to service, [remove whole
engine/backend for instance] belts, valves adj. etc but getting better
and easier with every new incarnation, but yeah bills in the $1000's is
the norm .And Ing.Enzo said they *should* have 12 cylinders, no 8's
t/y.

The new 599 GTB Fiorano is THE sports car standard/benchmark of the
moment.Its a modern day 365GTB/4 Daytona [which is my all time fav. car
period].

Ferrari shows how/why Italian Automotive Engineering is THE best in the
world.Period

A v-smart old man [in the know] told me only 2 car brands really are
head and shoulders above the others

1.Ferrari
2. Rolls Royce

They others are just "wheels"

For mine i like stripped quasi pure race cars, ie Atom, Rocket, Ferrari
Enzo FXX, GT3 Porsche, Caterham, Ultima, Lotus types...etc

< In fact, the closest I probably come to a dream car is the Commodore
SS I want
<to buy sometime in the next 3 years or so, and while that's a nice car

<that I wish I owned, it doesn't really fit the 'dream car' bill, does
<it?

BOGAN?

[Ext User(Marco)]

OzOne wrote:
> >
> Because Morgans are a treat to drive...really.

Really? In what way?

Marco

[Ext User(Marco)]

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ולתפקידי� מיוחדי�PT-141& P2 Member wrote:
>
> U got to be joking, a Ferrari is sex on wheels, if you buy a Ferrari
> you will have to keep it shut and closed to keep the girls out..They
> want to be your *friend*.Mate of mine who sold his 355 [who is the
> market for a F360 MANUAL only, if you know of one for sale contact me]
> he is a ugly fuck and the girls [model material, no dogs/ferals] he
> pulls in is because of_the_car is just outstanding work.

Earlier Ferraris were lovely looking cars. My recent favourite is the
early-90s 348TS. The 360 was a lovely looker too. The new ones
aren't, and as I said before, I would want perfection if I was spending
megabucks.

> I have been in Ferrari's heaps of times [factory @ Maranello twice too]
> and 3 times was with part_time_hobby racing car drivers, when you @
> 9/10ths+ [the speeds we where doing on public roads was insane] they
> are in the zone and orgasmic, the sound, feel, smell, vibration
> everything is a new experiece, and your like Maradonna everybody wants
> to know/talk/touch you, yeap its a rock_star_trainer.

I don't want everyone to want to know me, talk to me, or least of all,
touch me. For me, it's about driving pleasure, not being treated like
a rock star with a whole bunch of fake new friends. I have a damn fine
looking wife and good friends already, I don't need new ones who only
want to know me because of what I drive.

I've been to Maranello too and loved the Galleria Ferrari. Some of the
greatest cars ever made are in there. I just don't think that I would
buy one of the current models with my own cash. Ten years ago I would
have.

> The new 599 GTB Fiorano is THE sports car standard/benchmark of the
> moment.Its a modern day 365GTB/4 Daytona [which is my all time fav. car
> period].

It's technically brilliant...it's just ugly and rehashes the same old
styling ideas. Ferrari needs to move on from same old same old.


> < In fact, the closest I probably come to a dream car is the Commodore
> SS I want
> <to buy sometime in the next 3 years or so, and while that's a nice car
>
> <that I wish I owned, it doesn't really fit the 'dream car' bill, does
> <it?
>
> BOGAN?

Like I said, it's not necessarily the dream car, it's just the car I
intend to buy next. It's the dream car at a reasonable pricetag. I'm
not really sure how that makes me a bogan, I didn't say my dream car
was a VK with a spoiler...

[Ext User(OzOne)]

On 31 Jul 2006 17:16:57 -0700, "Marco" <rbgemini@iprimus.com.au>
scribbled thusly:

>
>OzOne wrote:
>> >
>> Because Morgans are a treat to drive...really.
>
>Really? In what way?
>
>Marco

It's all about stepping back, about unpredictable handling that keeps
you on your toes, suspension that has you feeling every bump...which
helps because you then know that the car is about to do
something....like step sideways, or wiggle.
It's about noise, and sun and wind.

Truly great fun....I owned a 4/4
I owned a 4/4 Competition in 1970 and to this day regret ever having
to part with it.
http://pages.infinit.net/amphilot/anglais/morgan.htm


Oz1...of the 3 twins.

I welcome you to crackerbox palace,We've been expecting you.

[Ext User(Greg)]

A Lamborghini Countach (or any of the more recent variants wich look
similar)

IMHO, this look is *exactly* what a kid would draw if asked to draw a fast
car and that's how a supercar should look. :)

Greg.

[Ext User(Bernd Felsche)]

"Greg" <greg.REMOVEsullivan@THIScomputer.org> writes:

>A Lamborghini Countach (or any of the more recent variants wich look
>similar)

>IMHO, this look is *exactly* what a kid would draw if asked to draw
>a fast car and that's how a supercar should look. :)

Unfortunately, only a kid could actually enjoy the car.

The main problem with the Countach as a car is that you have to be
an acrobat to enter, leave and drive it. Also deaf as a doorpost,
withe the reflexes of Michael Schumacher on amphetamines; and a
chiropractor on call after a long drive.

In my book; you have to be able to enjoy driving the car for it to
be a dream car; not a nightmare.
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[Ext User(Greg)]

"Bernd Felsche"
> Unfortunately, only a kid could actually enjoy the car.
>
> The main problem with the Countach as a car is that you have to be
> an acrobat to enter, leave and drive it. Also deaf as a doorpost,
> withe the reflexes of Michael Schumacher on amphetamines; and a
> chiropractor on call after a long drive.
>
> In my book; you have to be able to enjoy driving the car for it to
> be a dream car; not a nightmare.

Yeah. I saw all that on Top Gear. I was hoping no-one would bring up these
boring real world facts :)

Greg.