V8supercars = crap and boring????

[Ext User(2ofdem)]

Im kinda bored with the whole 'V8supercars are crap' bandwagon. I
honestly cant think of why a race fan would not like them the racing is
quick and close. They are the best drivers in the country driving for
the best teams in the country. There are alot of overtaking moves and
the occasional nudge here and there but thats part and parcel of
Touring Car racing.

They are the premiere category of motorsport in aus.
They attract 100's of thousands of fans to the tracks to watch them.
They have the best drivers in the country.
They have the best teams in the country.
They have a huge TV audience.

The above doesnt happen if the racing is crap and boring so jump off
the bandwagon for a sec and catch a few of the races. I know alot of
you will not like to lose your comfy seat on the bandwagon and thats
your choice its a pity you will miss out on some good entertainment.

[Ext User(Trevor Wilson)]

"2ofdem" <twoofdem@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> Im kinda bored with the whole 'V8supercars are crap' bandwagon. I
> honestly cant think of why a race fan would not like them the racing is
> quick and close. They are the best drivers in the country driving for
> the best teams in the country. There are alot of overtaking moves and
> the occasional nudge here and there but thats part and parcel of
> Touring Car racing.
>
> They are the premiere category of motorsport in aus.
> They attract 100's of thousands of fans to the tracks to watch them.
> They have the best drivers in the country.
> They have the best teams in the country.
> They have a huge TV audience.
>
> The above doesnt happen if the racing is crap and boring so jump off
> the bandwagon for a sec and catch a few of the races. I know alot of
> you will not like to lose your comfy seat on the bandwagon and thats
> your choice its a pity you will miss out on some good entertainment.

**I agree. I never watch the Formula 1 crap. My partner (who has little
interest in car racing) loves to watch the V8s race. She misses the V8s in
the Bathurst 1000. I could never figure it out, 'till I read a piece by my
old friend, Lizzy Swanton, about the V8s racing in China. Apparently they
loved them too. They loved the noise and, above all they loved the
"argy-bargy". That was it! Argy-bargy. Thanks Liz. A perfect term to
describe the V8 Supercar racing. Can you imagine the Formula 1 guys jostling
for a space, by allowing their cars to contact their opponents? Not bloody
likely.

Long live argy-bargy.


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www.rageaudio.com.au



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[Ext User(Marco)]

I love the racing, but I do wish the cars were closer to the ones we
could actually buy, even if they were heavily modified for racing. At
the very least, they should be using the basic suspension systems and
engines from the road cars.

I suppose, though, if they did that it would be hard to maintain the
parity that makes the racing so damn good.

[Ext User(OzOne)]

On 1 Aug 2006 15:42:58 -0700, "Marco" <rbgemini@iprimus.com.au>
scribbled thusly:

>I love the racing, but I do wish the cars were closer to the ones we
>could actually buy, even if they were heavily modified for racing. At
>the very least, they should be using the basic suspension systems and
>engines from the road cars.
>
>I suppose, though, if they did that it would be hard to maintain the
>parity that makes the racing so damn good.

Oh God..Please don't force any one manufacturer to improve his product
..

Lets just make em all like slot cars with interchangable body shells.


Oz1...of the 3 twins.

I welcome you to crackerbox palace,We've been expecting you.

[Ext User(Clockmeister)]

"Trevor Wilson" <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> wrote in message
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>
> "2ofdem" <twoofdem@gmail.com> wrote in message
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>> Im kinda bored with the whole 'V8supercars are crap' bandwagon. I
>> honestly cant think of why a race fan would not like them the racing is
>> quick and close. They are the best drivers in the country driving for
>> the best teams in the country. There are alot of overtaking moves and
>> the occasional nudge here and there but thats part and parcel of
>> Touring Car racing.
>>
>> They are the premiere category of motorsport in aus.
>> They attract 100's of thousands of fans to the tracks to watch them.
>> They have the best drivers in the country.
>> They have the best teams in the country.
>> They have a huge TV audience.
>>
>> The above doesnt happen if the racing is crap and boring so jump off
>> the bandwagon for a sec and catch a few of the races. I know alot of
>> you will not like to lose your comfy seat on the bandwagon and thats
>> your choice its a pity you will miss out on some good entertainment.
>
> **I agree. I never watch the Formula 1 crap. My partner (who has little
> interest in car racing) loves to watch the V8s race. She misses the V8s in
> the Bathurst 1000. I could never figure it out, 'till I read a piece by my
> old friend, Lizzy Swanton, about the V8s racing in China. Apparently they
> loved them too. They loved the noise and, above all they loved the
> "argy-bargy". That was it! Argy-bargy. Thanks Liz. A perfect term to
> describe the V8 Supercar racing. Can you imagine the Formula 1 guys
> jostling for a space, by allowing their cars to contact their opponents?
> Not bloody likely.
>
> Long live argy-bargy.
>

You want argy-bargy? Watch the European touring car racing for some real
argy-bargy with some actual competition as well.

[Ext User(FuTAnT)]

"Clockmeister" <no-one@nowhere.com> wrote in message
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>
> You want argy-bargy? Watch the European touring car racing for some real
> argy-bargy with some actual competition as well.
>

+1, that stuff kicks the arse of aussie V8 supercars.

I'll get interested when they let other manufacturers in on the ball game.
I'd like to see a Lexus V8 cruising around for the hell of it.

[Ext User(^Temuchin^)]

Trevor Wilson wrote:
> "2ofdem" <twoofdem@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:1154463082.307449.117440@m79g2000cwm.googlegr oups.com...
>> Im kinda bored with the whole 'V8supercars are crap' bandwagon. I
>> honestly cant think of why a race fan would not like them the racing is
>> quick and close. They are the best drivers in the country driving for
>> the best teams in the country. There are alot of overtaking moves and
>> the occasional nudge here and there but thats part and parcel of
>> Touring Car racing.
>>
>> They are the premiere category of motorsport in aus.
>> They attract 100's of thousands of fans to the tracks to watch them.
>> They have the best drivers in the country.
>> They have the best teams in the country.
>> They have a huge TV audience.
>>
>> The above doesnt happen if the racing is crap and boring so jump off
>> the bandwagon for a sec and catch a few of the races. I know alot of
>> you will not like to lose your comfy seat on the bandwagon and thats
>> your choice its a pity you will miss out on some good entertainment.

Watch some of the other racing shows on TV on a sunday.

Personally I think the formula fords give the most exciting racing in
Australia. The aussie racers aren't far behind.

I guess I am just sick of seeing the same 3 teams winning all the time
in V8 Supercars. As posted earlier this week, The V8SC development
series televised on sunday was a lot more entertaining then the main event.

>
> **I agree. I never watch the Formula 1 crap. My partner (who has little
> interest in car racing) loves to watch the V8s race. She misses the V8s in
> the Bathurst 1000. I could never figure it out, 'till I read a piece by my
> old friend, Lizzy Swanton, about the V8s racing in China. Apparently they
> loved them too. They loved the noise and, above all they loved the
> "argy-bargy". That was it! Argy-bargy. Thanks Liz. A perfect term to
> describe the V8 Supercar racing. Can you imagine the Formula 1 guys jostling
> for a space, by allowing their cars to contact their opponents? Not bloody
> likely.
>
> Long live argy-bargy.
>

Argy Bargy? Why did they drop reverse grid?? Because there was too
much argy bargy and panel damage. I think it also came down to the fact
that the top drivers are that used to doing a fast qualifying lap,
starting from the first few rows and not really having to race with
lesser drivers. Todd Kelly said a few years back he prefered to start
at the front as he didn't have to work his way past other cars.

I don't know if you have seen what happened with F1 cars touch with
their wheels sticking out the way they do. Watch last sundays race. In
the first couple of laps 2 cames together at a fairly low speed and one
was shot into the air. Similar to the first corner 'flight' at Albert
Park a few years back.

I know is doesn't compare but get hold of a racing sim and drive an open
wheeler, you soon find out what happens if you lock wheels with another car

[Ext User(Noddy)]

"2ofdem" <twoofdem@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> They are the premiere category of motorsport in aus.

And they're as boring as batshit.

> They attract 100's of thousands of fans to the tracks to watch them.

And they're as boring as batshit.

> They have the best drivers in the country.

And they're as boring as batshit.

> They have the best teams in the country.

And they're as boring as batshit.

> They have a huge TV audience.

So does soccer & golf, and And they're as boring as batshit too.

> The above doesnt happen if the racing is crap and boring so jump off
> the bandwagon for a sec and catch a few of the races.

Oh yes it does.

It happens not becuase the racing is good, but because of a lack of a viable
alternative. I used to enjoy tin top racing when you have a *mix* of cars,
but when it;s just similarly specced race cars with a Falcon or Commodore
body thrown over the top it's about as exciting as cleaning my ears.

> I know alot of you will not like to lose your comfy seat on the bandwagon
> and thats
> your choice its a pity you will miss out on some good entertainment.

I'll take your word for it and pass anyway.

--
Regards,
Noddy.

[Ext User(Fraser Johnston)]

"Noddy" <dg4163@dodo.com.au> wrote in message
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>
> "2ofdem" <twoofdem@gmail.com> wrote in message
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>
>> They are the premiere category of motorsport in aus.
>
> And they're as boring as batshit.
>
>> They attract 100's of thousands of fans to the tracks to watch them.
>
> And they're as boring as batshit.
>
>> They have the best drivers in the country.
>
> And they're as boring as batshit.
>
>> They have the best teams in the country.
>
> And they're as boring as batshit.
>
>> They have a huge TV audience.
>
> So does soccer & golf, and And they're as boring as batshit too.
>
>> The above doesnt happen if the racing is crap and boring so jump off
>> the bandwagon for a sec and catch a few of the races.
>
> Oh yes it does.
>
> It happens not becuase the racing is good, but because of a lack of a viable
> alternative. I used to enjoy tin top racing when you have a *mix* of cars, but
> when it;s just similarly specced race cars with a Falcon or Commodore body
> thrown over the top it's about as exciting as cleaning my ears.
>
>> I know alot of you will not like to lose your comfy seat on the bandwagon and
>> thats
>> your choice its a pity you will miss out on some good entertainment.
>
> I'll take your word for it and pass anyway.
>

What he said. Motorsport does not make good spectator sport.

Fraser

[Ext User(D Walford)]

2ofdem wrote:
> Im kinda bored with the whole 'V8supercars are crap' bandwagon. I
> honestly cant think of why a race fan would not like them the racing is
> quick and close. They are the best drivers in the country driving for
> the best teams in the country. There are alot of overtaking moves and
> the occasional nudge here and there but thats part and parcel of
> Touring Car racing.
>
> They are the premiere category of motorsport in aus.
> They attract 100's of thousands of fans to the tracks to watch them.
> They have the best drivers in the country.
> They have the best teams in the country.
> They have a huge TV audience.
>
> The above doesnt happen if the racing is crap and boring so jump off
> the bandwagon for a sec and catch a few of the races. I know alot of
> you will not like to lose your comfy seat on the bandwagon and thats
> your choice its a pity you will miss out on some good entertainment.
>
I find them extremely boring on TV but its a very different story at the
track where you can appreciate the speed the noise of the things.
I don't like the way they drive them like dodgem cars but IMO thats the
fault of the officials for allowing drivers to get away with it.
The fact that its only a 2 make series doesn't help much either, the
only thing about them thats Holden or Ford is the shape of the body
shell so imagine the fun if they doubled the number of body shells
allowed, wouldn't you like to see your favorite driver nudge an ugly
Magna into a wall:-)


Daryl

[Ext User(matt vk3zmw)]

Marco wrote:
> I love the racing, but I do wish the cars were closer to the ones we
> could actually buy, even if they were heavily modified for racing. At
> the very least, they should be using the basic suspension systems and
> engines from the road cars.
>
> I suppose, though, if they did that it would be hard to maintain the
> parity that makes the racing so damn good.
>

What about the Konica V8's then? Or the V8 Br-utes?

[Ext User(Knobdoodle)]

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> "Clockmeister" <no-one@nowhere.com> wrote in message
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>>
>> You want argy-bargy? Watch the European touring car racing for some real
>> argy-bargy with some actual competition as well.
>>
>
> +1, that stuff kicks the arse of aussie V8 supercars.
>
> I'll get interested when they let other manufacturers in on the ball
> game. I'd like to see a Lexus V8 cruising around for the hell of it.
~
We HAD that; it was called Group A and they canned it because the bogans
didn't like the foreign cars winning.
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[Ext User(Adam F)]

"Clockmeister" <no-one@nowhere.com> wrote in message
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> "Trevor Wilson" <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> wrote in message
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>>
>> "2ofdem" <twoofdem@gmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:1154463082.307449.117440@m79g2000cwm.googlegr oups.com...
>>> Im kinda bored with the whole 'V8supercars are crap' bandwagon. I
>>> honestly cant think of why a race fan would not like them the racing is
>>> quick and close. They are the best drivers in the country driving for
>>> the best teams in the country. There are alot of overtaking moves and
>>> the occasional nudge here and there but thats part and parcel of
>>> Touring Car racing.
>>>
>>> They are the premiere category of motorsport in aus.
>>> They attract 100's of thousands of fans to the tracks to watch them.
>>> They have the best drivers in the country.
>>> They have the best teams in the country.
>>> They have a huge TV audience.
>>>
>>> The above doesnt happen if the racing is crap and boring so jump off
>>> the bandwagon for a sec and catch a few of the races. I know alot of
>>> you will not like to lose your comfy seat on the bandwagon and thats
>>> your choice its a pity you will miss out on some good entertainment.
>>
>> **I agree. I never watch the Formula 1 crap. My partner (who has little
>> interest in car racing) loves to watch the V8s race. She misses the V8s
>> in the Bathurst 1000. I could never figure it out, 'till I read a piece
>> by my old friend, Lizzy Swanton, about the V8s racing in China.
>> Apparently they loved them too. They loved the noise and, above all they
>> loved the "argy-bargy". That was it! Argy-bargy. Thanks Liz. A perfect
>> term to describe the V8 Supercar racing. Can you imagine the Formula 1
>> guys jostling for a space, by allowing their cars to contact their
>> opponents? Not bloody likely.
>>
>> Long live argy-bargy.
>>
>
> You want argy-bargy? Watch the European touring car racing for some real
> argy-bargy with some actual competition as well.
>

Good, but not as good at the JGTC. Carbon-bodied mercs, 500hp flame-spitting
R34s, wild-looking NSXs - at least there's a bit of variety!


//Adam F

[Ext User(Adam F)]

"D Walford" <walford@iprimus.com.au> wrote in message
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> 2ofdem wrote:
<snip>
>>
> I find them extremely boring on TV but its a very different story at the
> track where you can appreciate the speed the noise of the things.
> I don't like the way they drive them like dodgem cars but IMO thats the
> fault of the officials for allowing drivers to get away with it.
> The fact that its only a 2 make series doesn't help much either, the only
> thing about them thats Holden or Ford is the shape of the body shell so
> imagine the fun if they doubled the number of body shells allowed,
> wouldn't you like to see your favorite driver nudge an ugly Magna into a
> wall:-)
>
>
> Daryl

Why stop there? Why not have each team sporting a cool new concept-car style
bodyshell each season? :)


//Adam F

[Ext User(2ofdem)]

There are no rules to stop Toyota Mitsu etc.. joining the series.

Why is BTCC better to watch then V8supercars?

We had Group A which was horrible racing totally mismatched cars, makes
and models of cars winning by laps and laps. It was boring so everyone
stopped watching it then sponsor stopped supporting it and it died.

[Ext User(Kev)]

> You want argy-bargy? Watch the European touring car racing for some real
> argy-bargy with some actual competition as well.
>
>


Remember when the Volvo wagons first raced
what a hoot
the TOCA 2.0L racing was very similar

it was all push and shove at highspeed

and with 10 different brands of vehicle not just two brand names with
parity rules that make them boring


Kev

[Ext User(2ofdem)]

matt vk3zmw wrote:
> Marco wrote:
> > I love the racing, but I do wish the cars were closer to the ones we
> > could actually buy, even if they were heavily modified for racing. At
> > the very least, they should be using the basic suspension systems and
> > engines from the road cars.
> >
> > I suppose, though, if they did that it would be hard to maintain the
> > parity that makes the racing so damn good.
> >
>
> What about the Konica V8's then? Or the V8 Br-utes?

The Konica(called Fujitsu this year) Cup cars are old V8supercars with
100kg more balast.

The V8brutes and GTP(I cant remember what its called now) is great
racing also and are basically slightly modified road cars.

[Ext User(2ofdem)]

Kev wrote:
> > You want argy-bargy? Watch the European touring car racing for some real
> > argy-bargy with some actual competition as well.
> >
> >
>
>
> Remember when the Volvo wagons first raced
> what a hoot
> the TOCA 2.0L racing was very similar
>
> it was all push and shove at highspeed
>
> and with 10 different brands of vehicle not just two brand names with
> parity rules that make them boring
>
>
> Kev


Actually BTCC and Euro Touring Cars have quite a few more parity rules
then V8supercars.

[Ext User(CyBorg 0091)]

2ofdem wrote:
> Im kinda bored with the whole 'V8supercars are crap' bandwagon. I
> honestly cant think of why a race fan would not like them the racing is
> quick and close. They are the best drivers in the country driving for
> the best teams in the country. There are alot of overtaking moves and
> the occasional nudge here and there but thats part and parcel of
> Touring Car racing.
>
> They are the premiere category of motorsport in aus.

Yeah cause our gov co is run by bogans

> They attract 100's of thousands of fans to the tracks to watch them.

Not as many fans as there used to be

> They have the best drivers in the country.

No...there are many better drivers out there,just those ones had the
money to get their dick in.
Bit like running for office.

> They have the best teams in the country.

No...their teams are only rated by what is measurable,if anything like
the say"Australians are the most intelligent people in the world"

> They have a huge TV audience.

Not any more...once yes

>
> The above doesnt happen if the racing is crap and boring so jump off
> the bandwagon for a sec and catch a few of the races. I know alot of
> you will not like to lose your comfy seat on the bandwagon and thats
> your choice its a pity you will miss out on some good entertainment.

It is terrible entertainment,for one we are not alowed to hoon on the
streets anymore,so there goes a large share of the automotive custom
scene,which in turn causes young people no interest in auto racing like
it used to.
Look around,one dose not see the try hard SLR's or in this
day,Hyundai's popping out of the backyard with 12inch wide tyres on
13inch rims.
Legally possibly one can not get away with it,this is also transfered
to the V8 super cars,too many rules and regs,we don't want close racing
all day every day,we want companies or privite owners battling every
resource into making their car the fastest,no matter what they can do
to it,as long as it is the original make,we want to know who can go the
fastest,not who carries a led weight in the boot.
Used to almost religously watch the V8's and F1,not for the last 4-5
years....too many regs and rules.
I see every young bogan go and bye a new V8 bombodore and think thats
it,its the best and nothing more can be done,you would be supprised the
impact gov co has on an industry or era.
If one is into v8 super cars these days one is just plain out of
fashion,and needs a window to look out of.

[Ext User(2ofdem)]

CyBorg 0091 wrote:
> 2ofdem wrote:
> > Im kinda bored with the whole 'V8supercars are crap' bandwagon. I
> > honestly cant think of why a race fan would not like them the racing is
> > quick and close. They are the best drivers in the country driving for
> > the best teams in the country. There are alot of overtaking moves and
> > the occasional nudge here and there but thats part and parcel of
> > Touring Car racing.
> >
> > They are the premiere category of motorsport in aus.
>
> Yeah cause our gov co is run by bogans

Im not sure what this has to do with V8supercars though.

> > They attract 100's of thousands of fans to the tracks to watch them.
>
> Not as many fans as there used to be

Ill look up attendance figures and get back to you on this.

> > They have the best drivers in the country.
>
> No...there are many better drivers out there,just those ones had the
> money to get their dick in.
> Bit like running for office.

There probably are but if you are a brilliant driver and you cant get
enough backing to get a drive then you dont want to be a race driver.

> > They have the best teams in the country.
>
> No...their teams are only rated by what is measurable,if anything like
> the say"Australians are the most intelligent people in the world"
>
> > They have a huge TV audience.
>
> Not any more...once yes

Channel 7 didnt buy it because noone watches it I believe TV rights
were in excess of 100million also

>
> >
> > The above doesnt happen if the racing is crap and boring so jump off
> > the bandwagon for a sec and catch a few of the races. I know alot of
> > you will not like to lose your comfy seat on the bandwagon and thats
> > your choice its a pity you will miss out on some good entertainment.
>
> It is terrible entertainment,for one we are not alowed to hoon on the
> streets anymore,so there goes a large share of the automotive custom
> scene,which in turn causes young people no interest in auto racing like
> it used to.
> Look around,one dose not see the try hard SLR's or in this
> day,Hyundai's popping out of the backyard with 12inch wide tyres on
> 13inch rims.
> Legally possibly one can not get away with it,this is also transfered
> to the V8 super cars,too many rules and regs,we don't want close racing
> all day every day,we want companies or privite owners battling every
> resource into making their car the fastest,no matter what they can do
> to it,as long as it is the original make,we want to know who can go the
> fastest,not who carries a led weight in the boot.
> Used to almost religously watch the V8's and F1,not for the last 4-5
> years....too many regs and rules.
> I see every young bogan go and bye a new V8 bombodore and think thats
> it,its the best and nothing more can be done,you would be supprised the
> impact gov co has on an industry or era.
> If one is into v8 super cars these days one is just plain out of
> fashion,and needs a window to look out of.

Is there an english copy of this bit??