The Road Ahead.

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You'd think the 8 are finalised, but...
There are 4 games left.
Richmond and Brisbane are no longer in contention.
Geelong have to beat any 3 of St Kilda, Sydney, Melbourne and Hawthorn (the hardest path) to make the 4, and any 2 to make the 8;
Fremantle have to beat any 2 of Adelaide, St Kilda, West Coast or Port (not as bad as it seems - all winable) to make the 4, and 1 to make the 8;
Dogs have to to beat any 2 of Port, Adelaide, St Kilda and Essendon (the 2nd easiest path) to make the 4 and any 1 for the 8;
Collingwood have to beat any 2 of Essendon, Port, Carlton and Roos to make the 4 (the easiest path) and any 1 for the 8;
St Kilda have to beat any 2 of Geelong, Fremantle, Bulldogs and Brisbane to make the 4 (difficult) and any 1 to make the 8;
Sydney have to beat any 2 of Melbourne, Geelong, Brisbane and Carlton to make the 4 and any 1 to make the 8;
Melbourne have to beat any 2 of Sydney, Roos, Geelong and Adelaide to stay in the 4 and have made the 8;
West Coast have to beat any 1 of Roos, Brisbane, Fremantle and Richmond to stay in the 4, any 2 to stay in 2nd and any 3 to grab 1st (quite possible);
Adelaide have to beat any 1 of Fremantle, Bulldogs, Port and Melbourne to stay in the 4, and 1 more the West Coast to stay in 1st (quite possible).

This would have to be the most amazing draw for the last month to settle the finals.

Prediction:
West Coast
Adelaide
Collingwood
Melbourne
-----------
Bulldogs
Sydney
Fremantle
St Kilda.
===========
Geelong.

Ya just gotta love footy.

Toby.

--

"A man can be happy with any woman as long as he does not love her."

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"Epigram" <not@this.id> wrote in message
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> You'd think the 8 are finalised, but...
> There are 4 games left.
> Richmond and Brisbane are no longer in contention.
> Geelong have to beat any 3 of St Kilda, Sydney, Melbourne and Hawthorn
> (the hardest path) to make the 4, and any 2 to make the 8;
> Fremantle have to beat any 2 of Adelaide, St Kilda, West Coast or Port
> (not as bad as it seems - all winable) to make the 4, and 1 to make the 8;
> Dogs have to to beat any 2 of Port, Adelaide, St Kilda and Essendon (the
> 2nd easiest path) to make the 4 and any 1 for the 8;
> Collingwood have to beat any 2 of Essendon, Port, Carlton and Roos to make
> the 4 (the easiest path) and any 1 for the 8;
> St Kilda have to beat any 2 of Geelong, Fremantle, Bulldogs and Brisbane
> to make the 4 (difficult) and any 1 to make the 8;
> Sydney have to beat any 2 of Melbourne, Geelong, Brisbane and Carlton to
> make the 4 and any 1 to make the 8;
> Melbourne have to beat any 2 of Sydney, Roos, Geelong and Adelaide to stay
> in the 4 and have made the 8;
> West Coast have to beat any 1 of Roos, Brisbane, Fremantle and Richmond to
> stay in the 4, any 2 to stay in 2nd and any 3 to grab 1st (quite
> possible);
> Adelaide have to beat any 1 of Fremantle, Bulldogs, Port and Melbourne to
> stay in the 4, and 1 more the West Coast to stay in 1st (quite possible).
>

Actually Adelaide have to win 0 games to stay in the top four. Hi Krud :)

Freo are no certaintities for the eight yet. They need 3 wins to be certain

Hopefully the Pies can take advantage of their gift draw and finish top 4.
As long as Adelaide get to play them that is

[Ext User(Sanctify)]

Dave wrote:

>>
>
> Actually Adelaide have to win 0 games to stay in the top four. Hi Krud :)

And we're one game clear of the Eagles, so we don't have to win one
more, just the same amount and we're in. Our percentage should see us
across the line if we finish on equal points. Still all our remaining
games are winnable.
>
> Freo are no certaintities for the eight yet. They need 3 wins to be certain

I'd not write off Geelong, although I should. When a side has to rely
on other teams losing games to make the finals, well then they don't
deserve to be there/
>
> Hopefully the Pies can take advantage of their gift draw and finish top 4.
> As long as Adelaide get to play them that is

I'd fucking love that. We owe them a day-time finals beating. Flogging
them for the night premiership is one thing, but I'm betting that Tyson
Edwards would do enough to get us over the line there. After all the
only way they won that prelim final way back when was by knocking
Edwards out.

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"Sanctify" <web@acab.com> wrote in message
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> Dave wrote:
>
> >>
> >
> > Actually Adelaide have to win 0 games to stay in the top four. Hi Krud
:)
>
> And we're one game clear of the Eagles, so we don't have to win one
> more, just the same amount and we're in. Our percentage should see us
> across the line if we finish on equal points. Still all our remaining
> games are winnable.

Isn't it funny how now the crows are in "trouble".
I've seen talk of Freo beating them at footy park....
the expectation seems to have fallen away from the crows.
one loss and they all remeber the crows of '04
maybe a master stroke to have lost to the weagles...?

> >
> > Freo are no certaintities for the eight yet. They need 3 wins to be
certain
>
> I'd not write off Geelong, although I should. When a side has to rely
> on other teams losing games to make the finals, well then they don't
> deserve to be there/
> >
> > Hopefully the Pies can take advantage of their gift draw and finish top
4.
> > As long as Adelaide get to play them that is
>
> I'd fucking love that. We owe them a day-time finals beating. Flogging
> them for the night premiership is one thing, but I'm betting that Tyson
> Edwards would do enough to get us over the line there. After all the
> only way they won that prelim final way back when was by knocking
> Edwards out.

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steve nunya wrote:
> "Sanctify" <web@acab.com> wrote in message
> news:sEyBg.7935$rP1.3505@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
>> Dave wrote:
>>
>>> Actually Adelaide have to win 0 games to stay in the top four. Hi Krud
> :)
>> And we're one game clear of the Eagles, so we don't have to win one
>> more, just the same amount and we're in. Our percentage should see us
>> across the line if we finish on equal points. Still all our remaining
>> games are winnable.
>
> Isn't it funny how now the crows are in "trouble".
> I've seen talk of Freo beating them at footy park....
> the expectation seems to have fallen away from the crows.
> one loss and they all remeber the crows of '04
> maybe a master stroke to have lost to the weagles...?

I think Blight gave away a bit of the possible game plan during the
commentary. His thoughts were that once you've made the finals you
should slacken off a tad and decrease the pace. That way you can then
increase it after a few weeks and start slamming the results back on.
He felt that the players/staff would go in waves, and that this might be
the bottom of a wave, and then it's back up to the crest. It made sense
to me.

Freo might beat us. Depends on how badly they want to win. Freo have a
habit of going in dirty to harm the Crows. In that case I'd rather the
side preserve players and allow the Freo mob to get players
reported/rubbed out. That'd be a stupid act if Freo did that at this
stage of the season and with them on the brink. As for the Eagles,
better to lose to them now and beat them in September, as opposed to the
other way around like last year.

It's making me chuckle reading Rucci's usual anti-Crows bullshit in the
paper. If they win another flag he'll be finding excuses. It amazes me
how he can put a positive spin on Port and a negative on the Crows right
now. If I were a Port supporter I'd be asking some serious questions as
to why they've lost six in a row after looking decent mid-season.
There's a couple of payers at the end of their career - Bishop, Francou
- and a few players who look all the world like they'd rather be
somewhere else - Dew, Brogan - and some who haven't lived up to their
hype. The only real positive that Port can take from the season is
Pearce - that guy, going on how he's played so far, should guide them to
another flag.

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"Sanctify" <web@acab.com> wrote in message
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> Dave wrote:
>
>>>
>>
>> Actually Adelaide have to win 0 games to stay in the top four. Hi Krud
>> :)
>
> And we're one game clear of the Eagles, so we don't have to win one more,
> just the same amount and we're in. Our percentage should see us across
> the line if we finish on equal points. Still all our remaining games are
> winnable.
>>
>> Freo are no certaintities for the eight yet. They need 3 wins to be
>> certain
>
> I'd not write off Geelong, although I should. When a side has to rely on
> other teams losing games to make the finals, well then they don't deserve
> to be there/
>>
>> Hopefully the Pies can take advantage of their gift draw and finish top
>> 4. As long as Adelaide get to play them that is
>
> I'd fucking love that. We owe them a day-time finals beating. Flogging
> them for the night premiership is one thing, but I'm betting that Tyson
> Edwards would do enough to get us over the line there. After all the only
> way they won that prelim final way back when was by knocking Edwards out.

So would Tyson Edwards talk to Andrew McCloud if the Cows won the flag this
year or piss in his beer do you think??!!!

LOL!!!

Laz

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Sanctify wrote:
> Freo might beat us. Depends on how badly they want to win. Freo have a
> habit of going in dirty to harm the Crows. In that case I'd rather the
> side preserve players and allow the Freo mob to get players
> reported/rubbed out. That'd be a stupid act if Freo did that at this
> stage of the season and with them on the brink. As for the Eagles,
> better to lose to them now and beat them in September, as opposed to the
> other way around like last year.

Aye, 50/50 on this one. You can never really back Freo into any game (I
backed them for carlton though others were unsure, was 50/50 on the
hawks) because of their yoyo consistency. It mostly depends on how
accurate we are, and if we can get a higher than normal conversion rate
from disposals/i50 to goals. Roo is out (at the moment, maybe they will
appeal) due to suspension, though he looked partly injured against the
Crows anyhow, and would not have likely broken the game open.

That isn't taking into account the "geelong" factor, where we might not
turn up. Though given what happened then, we have "turned up" to every
game since then.

I wouldn't be so confident about the crows in the final series anymore.
The reason everyone is off the crows is because they got absolutely
belted by West Coast with a sick Judd. Though I'm not sure how much you
know about it, but I thought maybe the reason could have been players
celebrating Roo's 300th the week before? Maybe had a few too many
drinks. It could partly explain the 80 point difference I guess.

I thought maybe it was a plan by your coach for Adelaide to lose to WCE
too, but then there is no real benefit to be absolutely belted by
another team. There might be some benefits to losing slightly "on
purpose" but not a ~80 point belting.

I would probably like to see a WCE vs ADELAIDE (unless Freo can get in
of course) grand final, as long as Adelaide don't play the shitty brand
of football they did against the Dockers earlier in the year. I quite
enjoyed seeing WCE cut them up after that game plan, almost as much as I
enjoyed FREO cutting WCE up earlier, lol.

>
> It's making me chuckle reading Rucci's usual anti-Crows bullshit in the
> paper. If they win another flag he'll be finding excuses. It amazes me
> how he can put a positive spin on Port and a negative on the Crows right
> now. If I were a Port supporter I'd be asking some serious questions as
> to why they've lost six in a row after looking decent mid-season.
> There's a couple of payers at the end of their career - Bishop, Francou
> - and a few players who look all the world like they'd rather be
> somewhere else - Dew, Brogan - and some who haven't lived up to their
> hype. The only real positive that Port can take from the season is
> Pearce - that guy, going on how he's played so far, should guide them to
> another flag.

You're lucky in Adelaide, least the papers aren't completely biased
against one team. I don't think there is one pro Freo paper here. They
all love WCE, and rarely report negative things about them. Meanwhile if
the Dockers win it was because the other team had injuries or because
Connolly listened to the diatribe they posted last week (they take
credit for everything).

Fred

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On 08/07/2006 09:46:07 "Dave" <maybenot> wrote:

> "Epigram" <not@this.id> wrote in message
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>> You'd think the 8 are finalised, but... There are 4 games left. Richmond
>> and Brisbane are no longer in contention. Geelong have to beat any 3 of
>> St Kilda, Sydney, Melbourne and Hawthorn (the hardest path) to make the
>> 4, and any 2 to make the 8; Fremantle have to beat any 2 of Adelaide, St
>> Kilda, West Coast or Port (not as bad as it seems - all winable) to make
>> the 4, and 1 to make the 8; Dogs have to to beat any 2 of Port, Adelaide,
>> St Kilda and Essendon (the 2nd easiest path) to make the 4 and any 1 for
>> the 8; Collingwood have to beat any 2 of Essendon, Port, Carlton and Roos
>> to make the 4 (the easiest path) and any 1 for the 8; St Kilda have to
>> beat any 2 of Geelong, Fremantle, Bulldogs and Brisbane to make the 4
>> (difficult) and any 1 to make the 8; Sydney have to beat any 2 of
>> Melbourne, Geelong, Brisbane and Carlton to make the 4 and any 1 to make
>> the 8; Melbourne have to beat any 2 of Sydney, Roos, Geelong and Adelaide
>> to stay in the 4 and have made the 8; West Coast have to beat any 1 of
>> Roos, Brisbane, Fremantle and Richmond to stay in the 4, any 2 to stay in
>> 2nd and any 3 to grab 1st (quite possible); Adelaide have to beat any 1
>> of Fremantle, Bulldogs, Port and Melbourne to stay in the 4, and 1 more
>> the West Coast to stay in 1st (quite possible).

> Actually Adelaide have to win 0 games to stay in the top four. Hi Krud :)

Agreed - I meant to write that they have to beat any 1 of the next 4 to grab 1st (possibly).

It's a probability list - not a certainty list. It's quite possible that Adelaide lose all of their last four games. I wouldn't think so, but it's possible.

> Freo are no certaintities for the eight yet. They need 3 wins to be
> certain

That's true. See above. But just to remain in 8th, they only have to win 1 less than Geelong do. Winning 2 less than Geelong would be a problem if %age comes into it.

> Hopefully the Pies can take advantage of their gift draw and finish top 4.
> As long as Adelaide get to play them that is

It'd also be nice if the Wobblers lost all four plus had serious injury and/or suspensions.

Either way, it's an exciting last month - that's the real pleasure.

Toby.

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On 08/07/2006 17:06:46 "Larry de Silva" <larrydesilva@ozemail.com.au> wrote:

[...]

> So would Tyson Edwards talk to Andrew McCloud if the Cows won the flag
> this year or piss in his beer do you think??!!!

> LOL!!!

> Laz

Who's Andrew McCloud? I know of an Andrew McLeod...!

Toby.

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On 08/07/2006 18:28:07 Frederick <fredr@iinet.net.au> wrote:

> Sanctify wrote:

[...]

>> It's making me chuckle reading Rucci's usual anti-Crows bullshit in the
>> paper. If they win another flag he'll be finding excuses. It amazes me
>> how he can put a positive spin on Port and a negative on the Crows right
>> now. If I were a Port supporter I'd be asking some serious questions as
>> to why they've lost six in a row after looking decent mid-season. There's
>> a couple of payers at the end of their career - Bishop, Francou - and a
>> few players who look all the world like they'd rather be somewhere else -
>> Dew, Brogan - and some who haven't lived up to their hype. The only real
>> positive that Port can take from the season is Pearce - that guy, going
>> on how he's played so far, should guide them to another flag.

> You're lucky in Adelaide, least the papers aren't completely biased
> against one team. I don't think there is one pro Freo paper here. They
> all love WCE, and rarely report negative things about them. Meanwhile if
> the Dockers win it was because the other team had injuries or because
> Connolly listened to the diatribe they posted last week (they take credit
> for everything).

> Fred

The Worst is a wEvils major sponsor. Do you think that their hacks (who get a vote for the Ross Glendining Medal) would want to do anything but piss in the Weagles pockets?

Dear Rupert,
Please print a Perth newspaper in competition with W.A. News ltd's tacky tabloid. A dedicated paper of truth and honesty with no bias...

Ah, who am I kidding! We'd just get the 'Tiser!

Toby.

[Ext User(Sanctify)]

Larry de Silva wrote:

> So would Tyson Edwards talk to Andrew McCloud if the Cows won the flag this
> year or piss in his beer do you think??!!!

Both have something that Buckley doesn't have - PREMIERSHIP MEDALS.

If you believe that crap about McLeod and Edwards then I've a bridge in
Sydney you can buy.

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"Sanctify" <web@acab.com> wrote in message
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> Larry de Silva wrote:
>
>> So would Tyson Edwards talk to Andrew McCloud if the Cows won the flag
>> this year or piss in his beer do you think??!!!
>
> Both have something that Buckley doesn't have - PREMIERSHIP MEDALS.
>
> If you believe that crap about McLeod and Edwards then I've a bridge in
> Sydney you can buy.

They were discussing it on the footy channel last night, so there is
obviously something to it. They are bringing in outside mediators to sort it
out.

[Ext User(Sanctify)]

Frederick wrote:
> Sanctify wrote:
>> Freo might beat us. Depends on how badly they want to win. Freo have
>> a habit of going in dirty to harm the Crows. In that case I'd rather
>> the side preserve players and allow the Freo mob to get players
>> reported/rubbed out. That'd be a stupid act if Freo did that at this
>> stage of the season and with them on the brink. As for the Eagles,
>> better to lose to them now and beat them in September, as opposed to
>> the other way around like last year.
>
> Aye, 50/50 on this one. You can never really back Freo into any game (I
> backed them for carlton though others were unsure, was 50/50 on the
> hawks) because of their yoyo consistency. It mostly depends on how
> accurate we are, and if we can get a higher than normal conversion rate
> from disposals/i50 to goals. Roo is out (at the moment, maybe they will
> appeal) due to suspension, though he looked partly injured against the
> Crows anyhow, and would not have likely broken the game open.

It might be prudent to allow Roo to sit the game out, get some rest and
take a loss if need be. He looks like he could use a break before the
finals, and better now than, as I've said, in the finals ala last
season. I'll tip us but only because it's a home game.
>
> That isn't taking into account the "geelong" factor, where we might not
> turn up. Though given what happened then, we have "turned up" to every
> game since then.

Geelong are the dark horses. They'll be going for wins and if anyone
loses a game or two they'll be ready to pounce. Freo will need to be on
the ball and not drop any games if Geelong continue to carry their momentum.
>
> I wouldn't be so confident about the crows in the final series anymore.
> The reason everyone is off the crows is because they got absolutely
> belted by West Coast with a sick Judd. Though I'm not sure how much you
> know about it, but I thought maybe the reason could have been players
> celebrating Roo's 300th the week before? Maybe had a few too many
> drinks. It could partly explain the 80 point difference I guess.

They just stopped playing. Again, Blight's theory appears to be in
effect. We've made the finals, why beat the shit out them side and make
them run and play damn hard before the finals? We're a game clear with
healthy percentage. Let the Eagles win one at home and get a bit of
confidence. It'd be interesting putting the full strength Eagles side
against the full strength Crows side at the MCG. I'd say the outcome
would be vastly different.
>
> I thought maybe it was a plan by your coach for Adelaide to lose to WCE
> too, but then there is no real benefit to be absolutely belted by
> another team. There might be some benefits to losing slightly "on
> purpose" but not a ~80 point belting.

See above.
>
> I would probably like to see a WCE vs ADELAIDE (unless Freo can get in
> of course) grand final, as long as Adelaide don't play the shitty brand
> of football they did against the Dockers earlier in the year. I quite
> enjoyed seeing WCE cut them up after that game plan, almost as much as I
> enjoyed FREO cutting WCE up earlier, lol.

It'd be a different game than the one we saw a couple of weeks ago, that
much is a certainty. I doubt very highly that Freo will come close to
the grand final, but hey - odder things have happened. I didn't think
Sydney would even make the GF last year, let alone win the flag.

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"Sanctify" <web@acab.com> wrote in message
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>
> They just stopped playing. Again, Blight's theory appears to be in
> effect. We've made the finals, why beat the shit out them side and make
> them run and play damn hard before the finals? We're a game clear with
> healthy percentage. Let the Eagles win one at home and get a bit of
> confidence. It'd be interesting putting the full strength Eagles side
> against the full strength Crows side at the MCG. I'd say the outcome
> would be vastly different.

I'd say you're right, WCE would prob win by over 100 with a full strength
side!

[Ext User(Sanctify)]

JE wrote:
> "Sanctify" <web@acab.com> wrote in message
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>> They just stopped playing. Again, Blight's theory appears to be in
>> effect. We've made the finals, why beat the shit out them side and make
>> them run and play damn hard before the finals? We're a game clear with
>> healthy percentage. Let the Eagles win one at home and get a bit of
>> confidence. It'd be interesting putting the full strength Eagles side
>> against the full strength Crows side at the MCG. I'd say the outcome
>> would be vastly different.
>
> I'd say you're right, WCE would prob win by over 100 with a full strength
> side!

On a neutral ground? Not a chance in Hell.

[Ext User(Dave)]

"Sanctify" <web@acab.com> wrote in message
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> JE wrote:
>> "Sanctify" <web@acab.com> wrote in message
>> news:3MYBg.8697$rP1.3367@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
>>> They just stopped playing. Again, Blight's theory appears to be in
>>> effect. We've made the finals, why beat the shit out them side and make
>>> them run and play damn hard before the finals? We're a game clear with
>>> healthy percentage. Let the Eagles win one at home and get a bit of
>>> confidence. It'd be interesting putting the full strength Eagles side
>>> against the full strength Crows side at the MCG. I'd say the outcome
>>> would be vastly different.
>>
>> I'd say you're right, WCE would prob win by over 100 with a full strength
>> side!
>
> On a neutral ground? Not a chance in Hell.

I can't recall WCE winning an away finals match since 1994.

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"Dave" <maybenot> wrote in message
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>>
>> On a neutral ground? Not a chance in Hell.
>
> I can't recall WCE winning an away finals match since 1994.

Then you have a bad memory!

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"JE" <nospam@nospam.com> wrote in message
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> "Dave" <maybenot> wrote in message
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>>>
>>> On a neutral ground? Not a chance in Hell.
>>
>> I can't recall WCE winning an away finals match since 1994.
>
> Then you have a bad memory!
>

what a memorable game it was, hmm.

a 1-10 record in away finals since 1994 ...... that is even worse than the
Powerless.

tale of woe in full below

1995 Essedon b WCE MCG
1995 NM b WCE Waverley
1996 Essedon b WCE MCG
1997 Adel b WCE Football Park
1998 Bulldogs b WCE MCG
*2000 WCE b Bulldogs MCG*
2000 Carls b WCE MCG
2002 Ess b WCE Colonial
2003 Adel b WCE Football Park
2004 Syd b WCE Telstra
2005 Syd b WCE MCG

t

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"Dave" <maybenot> wrote in message
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> "JE" <nospam@nospam.com> wrote in message
> news:44d99f2e$0$25759$5a62ac22@per-qv1-newsreader-01.iinet.net.au...
> > "Dave" <maybenot> wrote in message
> > news:44d97c18$0$25742$5a62ac22@per-qv1-newsreader-01.iinet.net.au...
> >>>
> >>> On a neutral ground? Not a chance in Hell.
> >>
> >> I can't recall WCE winning an away finals match since 1994.
> >
> > Then you have a bad memory!
> >
>
> what a memorable game it was, hmm.
>
> a 1-10 record in away finals since 1994 ...... that is even worse than
the
> Powerless.
>
> tale of woe in full below
>
> 1995 Essedon b WCE MCG
> 1995 NM b WCE Waverley
> 1996 Essedon b WCE MCG
> 1997 Adel b WCE Football Park
> 1998 Bulldogs b WCE MCG
> *2000 WCE b Bulldogs MCG*
> 2000 Carls b WCE MCG
> 2002 Ess b WCE Colonial
> 2003 Adel b WCE Football Park
> 2004 Syd b WCE Telstra
> 2005 Syd b WCE MCG
2006 WCE b ???? MCG

lol

avagoodone
giovani