Victoria, the land of the free :-)

[Ext User(Ron)]

Holy shit, what will they do next?
Police wearing hats with red bands???
Keep voting Labor guys :-)
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

http://www.news.com.au/couriermail/story/0,23739,20170987-
5003402,00.html


AUTHORITIES have started clamping the car wheels of serious fine
defaulters across Victoria under tough new powers handed to the state's
Sheriff's Office.

Officers armed with registration details swooped on a car park at the
Queen Victoria market in North Melbourne today, clamping the wheels on
five cars and issuing 25 warning notices.

The operation signalled the introduction of new powers which allow the
Sheriff's Office to clamp the wheels of vehicles belonging to people
with unpaid fines for traffic offences, parking tickets, public
transport fare evasion and other offences.

There are currently up to 430,000 fine defaulters in Victoria.

A Department of Justice spokeswoman said one fine defaulter who's car
was clamped owed $49,000 in unpaid fines.

“They identified vehicles that had (in total) $140,000 in outstanding
fines,” the spokeswoman said.

“One car alone had fines worth $49,000,” she said.

“They clamped five cars in total in one location, in one car park at the
Queen Victoria market.”

Registration details were used to check a driver's fine status.

The spokeswoman said there was one case where a car that was clamped had
changed ownership recently and the transfer papers had not gone through.

“Somebody hadn't transferred the ownership and it was actually a
previous owner who had the fines.”

She said the clamps were removed once the paperwork was faxed through to
officers on site.

The spokeswoman said the clamps on the other four cars were only removed
when the owners agreed to pay the fine either in full or by instalment.

“If they are the owner then they make arrangements to pay ... and then
the wheel clamp is taken off and they can drive away,” she said.

“But if they don't keep the instalments going then the warrants come out
again.”

Premier Steve Bracks said the tough approach had already worked in other
jurisdictions.

“We've had experience in other areas ... in South Australia and overseas
jurisdictions, where being tough on those who are persistently not
paying their fines (has worked),” Mr Bracks told reporters today.

“We believe those penalties will have an impact,” he said.

The Bracks Government was confident the measure would help claw back
more than $700 million owed to it in unpaid court and police fines.

Opposition police spokesman Kim Wells said he supported the tough new
approach to fine defaulters.

“You have to send a clear message,” Mr Wells said.

”What's the point of having fines if they are not going to be enforced,”
he said.

“One fine, two fines, people getting 20 and 30 fines.

“Of course in the end they have to be wheel clamped, otherwise the whole
system will break down and people won't pay their fines.

“You have to do what you have to do at the end of the day to enforce the
law.”

[Ext User(Albm&ctd)]

In article <44e59685$0$497$61c65585@uq-127creek-reader-
03.brisbane.pipenetworks.com.au>, walford@iprimus.com.au says...
> Ron wrote:
> > Holy shit, what will they do next?
>
> Do you think serial fine defaulters should get off without paying?
>
Do you think the authorities should use wheel clamping to recover
revenue? AFAIK wheel clamping has been outlawed.

Al
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It's more fun to insult everyone.
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[Ext User(D Walford)]

Ron wrote:
> Holy shit, what will they do next?

Do you think serial fine defaulters should get off without paying?

> Police wearing hats with red bands???

WTF, no Police mentioned in the story?

> Keep voting Labor guys :-)

What that got to do with the story?


Daryl

[Ext User(Albm&ctd)]

In article <Xns9823C5738B2B2mcgricenewsguycom@129.250.170.91>,
X101@newsguy.com says...
> Holy shit, what will they do next?
> Police wearing hats with red bands???
> Keep voting Labor guys :-)
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>
> http://www.news.com.au/couriermail/story/0,23739,20170987-
> 5003402,00.html
>
>
> AUTHORITIES have started clamping the car wheels of serious fine
> defaulters across Victoria under tough new powers handed to the state's
> Sheriff's Office.
>
> Officers armed with registration details swooped on a car park at the
> Queen Victoria market in North Melbourne today, clamping the wheels on
> five cars and issuing 25 warning notices.
>
> The operation signalled the introduction of new powers which allow the
> Sheriff's Office to clamp the wheels of vehicles belonging to people
> with unpaid fines for traffic offences, parking tickets, public
> transport fare evasion and other offences.
>
> There are currently up to 430,000 fine defaulters in Victoria.
>
> A Department of Justice spokeswoman said one fine defaulter who's car
> was clamped owed $49,000 in unpaid fines.
>
> ?They identified vehicles that had (in total) $140,000 in outstanding
> fines,? the spokeswoman said.
>
> ?One car alone had fines worth $49,000,? she said.
>
> ?They clamped five cars in total in one location, in one car park at the
> Queen Victoria market.?
>
> Registration details were used to check a driver's fine status.
>
> The spokeswoman said there was one case where a car that was clamped had
> changed ownership recently and the transfer papers had not gone through.
>
> ?Somebody hadn't transferred the ownership and it was actually a
> previous owner who had the fines.?
>
> She said the clamps were removed once the paperwork was faxed through to
> officers on site.
>
> The spokeswoman said the clamps on the other four cars were only removed
> when the owners agreed to pay the fine either in full or by instalment.
>
> ?If they are the owner then they make arrangements to pay ... and then
> the wheel clamp is taken off and they can drive away,? she said.
>
> ?But if they don't keep the instalments going then the warrants come out
> again.?
>
> Premier Steve Bracks said the tough approach had already worked in other
> jurisdictions.
>
> ?We've had experience in other areas ... in South Australia and overseas
> jurisdictions, where being tough on those who are persistently not
> paying their fines (has worked),? Mr Bracks told reporters today.
>
> ?We believe those penalties will have an impact,? he said.
>
> The Bracks Government was confident the measure would help claw back
> more than $700 million owed to it in unpaid court and police fines.
>
> Opposition police spokesman Kim Wells said he supported the tough new
> approach to fine defaulters.
>
> ?You have to send a clear message,? Mr Wells said.
>
> ?What's the point of having fines if they are not going to be enforced,?
> he said.
>
> ?One fine, two fines, people getting 20 and 30 fines.
>
> ?Of course in the end they have to be wheel clamped, otherwise the whole
> system will break down and people won't pay their fines.
>
> ?You have to do what you have to do at the end of the day to enforce the
> law.?
>
Victoria is the place to be.. wheel clamped and fuck*d up the arse.

Al
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It's more fun to insult everyone.
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[Ext User(Ron)]

D Walford <walford@iprimus.com.au> wrote in news:44e59685$0$497$61c65585
@uq-127creek-reader-03.brisbane.pipenetworks.com.au:

> Ron wrote:
>> Holy shit, what will they do next?
>
> Do you think serial fine defaulters should get off without paying?
>
>> Police wearing hats with red bands???
>
> WTF, no Police mentioned in the story?
>
>> Keep voting Labor guys :-)
>
> What that got to do with the story?
>
>
> Daryl

It's a joke Daryl :-)

However VIC is starting to look like a communist state ;-)

Ron

[Ext User(veritas)]

It's interesting to note that GovCo has the power (and does) issue an A4 sheet of paper that sez
"pay up or go directly to gaol until you do" when they send the cops to knock on their door.

Having NO CONCERN about inconveniencing a "new" owner is typical of GovCo's present day
methodology......

Ron wrote:
> Holy shit, what will they do next?
> Police wearing hats with red bands???
> Keep voting Labor guys :-)
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>
> http://www.news.com.au/couriermail/story/0,23739,20170987-
> 5003402,00.html
>
>
> AUTHORITIES have started clamping the car wheels of serious fine
> defaulters across Victoria under tough new powers handed to the state's
> Sheriff's Office.
>
> Officers armed with registration details swooped on a car park at the
> Queen Victoria market in North Melbourne today, clamping the wheels on
> five cars and issuing 25 warning notices.
>
> The operation signalled the introduction of new powers which allow the
> Sheriff's Office to clamp the wheels of vehicles belonging to people
> with unpaid fines for traffic offences, parking tickets, public
> transport fare evasion and other offences.
>
> There are currently up to 430,000 fine defaulters in Victoria.
>
> A Department of Justice spokeswoman said one fine defaulter who's car
> was clamped owed $49,000 in unpaid fines.
>
> “They identified vehicles that had (in total) $140,000 in outstanding
> fines,” the spokeswoman said.
>
> “One car alone had fines worth $49,000,” she said.
>
> “They clamped five cars in total in one location, in one car park at the
> Queen Victoria market.”
>
> Registration details were used to check a driver's fine status.
>
> The spokeswoman said there was one case where a car that was clamped had
> changed ownership recently and the transfer papers had not gone through.
>
> “Somebody hadn't transferred the ownership and it was actually a
> previous owner who had the fines.”
>
> She said the clamps were removed once the paperwork was faxed through to
> officers on site.
>
> The spokeswoman said the clamps on the other four cars were only removed
> when the owners agreed to pay the fine either in full or by instalment.
>
> “If they are the owner then they make arrangements to pay ... and then
> the wheel clamp is taken off and they can drive away,” she said.
>
> “But if they don't keep the instalments going then the warrants come out
> again.”
>
> Premier Steve Bracks said the tough approach had already worked in other
> jurisdictions.
>
> “We've had experience in other areas ... in South Australia and overseas
> jurisdictions, where being tough on those who are persistently not
> paying their fines (has worked),” Mr Bracks told reporters today.
>
> “We believe those penalties will have an impact,” he said.
>
> The Bracks Government was confident the measure would help claw back
> more than $700 million owed to it in unpaid court and police fines.
>
> Opposition police spokesman Kim Wells said he supported the tough new
> approach to fine defaulters.
>
> “You have to send a clear message,” Mr Wells said.
>
> ”What's the point of having fines if they are not going to be enforced,”
> he said.
>
> “One fine, two fines, people getting 20 and 30 fines.
>
> “Of course in the end they have to be wheel clamped, otherwise the whole
> system will break down and people won't pay their fines.
>
> “You have to do what you have to do at the end of the day to enforce the
> law.”

[Ext User(D Walford)]

Albm&ctd wrote:
> In article <44e59685$0$497$61c65585@uq-127creek-reader-
> 03.brisbane.pipenetworks.com.au>, walford@iprimus.com.au says...
>> Ron wrote:
>>> Holy shit, what will they do next?
>> Do you think serial fine defaulters should get off without paying?
>>
> Do you think the authorities should use wheel clamping to recover
> revenue? AFAIK wheel clamping has been outlawed.

Obviously not outlawed but what else would you suggest, they could
arrest the defaulters and lock them up for a very long time but that
would cost taxpayers and the bad guys would still get out of paying.


Daryl

[Ext User(the fonz)]

Ron wrote:
> Holy shit, what will they do next?
> Police wearing hats with red bands???
> Keep voting Labor guys :-)

This is justified. It's for serial fine evaders, not everyday people
who are a bit late with paying.

Some people choose to live outside of the law, comfortable in the
knowledge they can mostly just get away with it. These are the people
the govt. should be chasing, not Mr. and Mrs. 1-2 km/h over the speed
limit.

[Ext User(Albm&ctd)]

In article <44e6880e$0$508$61c65585@uq-127creek-reader-
03.brisbane.pipenetworks.com.au>, walford@iprimus.com.au says...
> Albm&ctd wrote:
> > In article <44e59685$0$497$61c65585@uq-127creek-reader-
> > 03.brisbane.pipenetworks.com.au>, walford@iprimus.com.au says...
> >> Ron wrote:
> >>> Holy shit, what will they do next?
> >> Do you think serial fine defaulters should get off without paying?
> >>
> > Do you think the authorities should use wheel clamping to recover
> > revenue? AFAIK wheel clamping has been outlawed.
>
> Obviously not outlawed but what else would you suggest, they could
> arrest the defaulters and lock them up for a very long time but that
> would cost taxpayers and the bad guys would still get out of paying.
>
In Vic IIRC, a bad guy is 3 km/h over the limit. The stricter they
enforce, the more defaulters they will have, the more Gestapo bully
tactics they will implement. Maybe if they didn't have so many stupid
rules in the first place.

Al
--
I don't take sides.
It's more fun to insult everyone.
http://kwakakid.cjb.net/insult.html

[Ext User(Albm&ctd)]

In article <1155966635.694035.269330@74g2000cwt.googlegroups.c om>,
arthur.fonzzarelli@gmail.com says...
>
> Ron wrote:
> > Holy shit, what will they do next?
> > Police wearing hats with red bands???
> > Keep voting Labor guys :-)
>
> This is justified. It's for serial fine evaders, not everyday people
> who are a bit late with paying.
>
> Some people choose to live outside of the law, comfortable in the
> knowledge they can mostly just get away with it. These are the people
> the govt. should be chasing, not Mr. and Mrs. 1-2 km/h over the speed
> limit.
>
What if people got together and refused to pay such stupid fines?
We used to have TV licences once and yes they did get people going to
court for being so evil not having one.
It all comes down to what the public will tolerate. The main problem is
the gov seems to be able to think up more and more stupid rules for us to
live by, turning everyone into a lawbreaker. I mean, we can't even wash
our car with a hose even though our local dam is fairly full. I reckon I
used more water with buckets today... whilst muttering, this is farkin
stupid.

Al
--
I don't take sides.
It's more fun to insult everyone.
http://kwakakid.cjb.net/insult.html

[Ext User(D Walford)]

Albm&ctd wrote:
> In article <44e6880e$0$508$61c65585@uq-127creek-reader-
> 03.brisbane.pipenetworks.com.au>, walford@iprimus.com.au says...
>> Albm&ctd wrote:
>>> In article <44e59685$0$497$61c65585@uq-127creek-reader-
>>> 03.brisbane.pipenetworks.com.au>, walford@iprimus.com.au says...
>>>> Ron wrote:
>>>>> Holy shit, what will they do next?
>>>> Do you think serial fine defaulters should get off without paying?
>>>>
>>> Do you think the authorities should use wheel clamping to recover
>>> revenue? AFAIK wheel clamping has been outlawed.
>> Obviously not outlawed but what else would you suggest, they could
>> arrest the defaulters and lock them up for a very long time but that
>> would cost taxpayers and the bad guys would still get out of paying.
>>
> In Vic IIRC, a bad guy is 3 km/h over the limit. The stricter they
> enforce, the more defaulters they will have, the more Gestapo bully
> tactics they will implement. Maybe if they didn't have so many stupid
> rules in the first place.
>
Getting fined for being 3k over is IMO a myth mostly started by the info
on the fine documents.
A "detected speed" of 67kph will result in an "alleged speed" of 63kph
or 3kph over the limit when you were really 7 kph over, the chances of
being booked for only doing 3kph over the limit are next to nil.
I think the chances of being booked for speeding in NSW or QLD are just
as high as in Vic.



Daryl

[Ext User(D Walford)]

Albm&ctd wrote:
> In article <1155966635.694035.269330@74g2000cwt.googlegroups.c om>,
> arthur.fonzzarelli@gmail.com says...
>> Ron wrote:
>>> Holy shit, what will they do next?
>>> Police wearing hats with red bands???
>>> Keep voting Labor guys :-)
>> This is justified. It's for serial fine evaders, not everyday people
>> who are a bit late with paying.
>>
>> Some people choose to live outside of the law, comfortable in the
>> knowledge they can mostly just get away with it. These are the people
>> the govt. should be chasing, not Mr. and Mrs. 1-2 km/h over the speed
>> limit.
>>
> What if people got together and refused to pay such stupid fines?
> We used to have TV licences once and yes they did get people going to
> court for being so evil not having one.
> It all comes down to what the public will tolerate. The main problem is
> the gov seems to be able to think up more and more stupid rules for us to
> live by, turning everyone into a lawbreaker. I mean, we can't even wash
> our car with a hose even though our local dam is fairly full. I reckon I
> used more water with buckets today... whilst muttering, this is farkin
> stupid.

No such stupid rules in Vic., I can wash my car with a hose as often as
I like:-)



Daryl

[Ext User(John_H)]

Ron wrote:

>Holy shit, what will they do next?
>Police wearing hats with red bands???
>Keep voting Labor guys :-)

Yeah, the bastards should be doing something useful... like fitting up
suspected terrorists and sending pot smokers to Indonesia for
execution.

Hang on... isn't that the AFP's job?

--
John H

[Ext User(Ron)]

John_H <john4271@hotmail.com> wrote in
news:hside253ok26e56k3llf6o0gvmfp93on19@4ax.com:

> Ron wrote:
>
>>Holy shit, what will they do next?
>>Police wearing hats with red bands???
>>Keep voting Labor guys :-)
>
> Yeah, the bastards should be doing something useful... like fitting up
> suspected terrorists and sending pot smokers to Indonesia for
> execution.
>
> Hang on... isn't that the AFP's job?
>

Yes, it is :-)

However the "Mafia" is possibly doing well :-)
I wonder what the Greek version is....

[Ext User(Albm&ctd)]

In article <44e6adb0$0$484$61c65585@uq-127creek-reader-
03.brisbane.pipenetworks.com.au>, walford@iprimus.com.au says...
> Albm&ctd wrote:
> > In article <1155966635.694035.269330@74g2000cwt.googlegroups.c om>,
> > arthur.fonzzarelli@gmail.com says...
> >> Ron wrote:
> >>> Holy shit, what will they do next?
> >>> Police wearing hats with red bands???
> >>> Keep voting Labor guys :-)
> >> This is justified. It's for serial fine evaders, not everyday people
> >> who are a bit late with paying.
> >>
> >> Some people choose to live outside of the law, comfortable in the
> >> knowledge they can mostly just get away with it. These are the people
> >> the govt. should be chasing, not Mr. and Mrs. 1-2 km/h over the speed
> >> limit.
> >>
> > What if people got together and refused to pay such stupid fines?
> > We used to have TV licences once and yes they did get people going to
> > court for being so evil not having one.
> > It all comes down to what the public will tolerate. The main problem is
> > the gov seems to be able to think up more and more stupid rules for us to
> > live by, turning everyone into a lawbreaker. I mean, we can't even wash
> > our car with a hose even though our local dam is fairly full. I reckon I
> > used more water with buckets today... whilst muttering, this is farkin
> > stupid.
>
> No such stupid rules in Vic., I can wash my car with a hose as often as
> I like:-)
>
It even gets more and more stupid. When our dam was critical level, they
allowed trigger hoses to wash your car but no hosing gardens, buckets
only which sounded OK, but now that the dam has become almost full they
ban hoses. The reason for this stupidity is - farther north their supply
is down to critical so we've gone out in sympathy it seems but even more
stupid is when we were critical there was no such watering ban farther
north. I did say stupid but I meant fuck*ng ridiculous.
Our mayor is one of your mob and apparently he's going back when his
tenure is up.

Al
--
I don't take sides.
It's more fun to insult everyone.
http://kwakakid.cjb.net/insult.html

[Ext User(Albm&ctd)]

In article <Xns9824C0E0D8698mcgricenewsguycom@129.250.170.91>,
X101@newsguy.com says...
> John_H <john4271@hotmail.com> wrote in
> news:hside253ok26e56k3llf6o0gvmfp93on19@4ax.com:
>
> > Ron wrote:
> >
> >>Holy shit, what will they do next?
> >>Police wearing hats with red bands???
> >>Keep voting Labor guys :-)
> >
> > Yeah, the bastards should be doing something useful... like fitting up
> > suspected terrorists and sending pot smokers to Indonesia for
> > execution.
> >
> > Hang on... isn't that the AFP's job?
> >
>
> Yes, it is :-)
>
> However the "Mafia" is possibly doing well :-)
> I wonder what the Greek version is....
>
I sota agree wth you, all this taking of money from travellers is a
racket a bit like highway men of olde but if done by the gov it's legal,
all in the name of safety mostly 'cause we must be safe from Vic tourists
who park funny then do a fuck*ng hook turn across your path ;-)

Al
--
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It's more fun to insult everyone.
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[Ext User(Noddy)]

"D Walford" <walford@iprimus.com.au> wrote in message
news:44e6ad57$0$484$61c65585@uq-127creek-reader-
>
> Getting fined for being 3k over is IMO a myth mostly started by the info
> on the fine documents.

Yeah, you're right. 3km/h over the posted limit is a myth. It's actually 4
:)

--
Regards,
Noddy.

[Ext User(Albm&ctd)]

In article <44e703c7$1@news.comindico.com.au>, dg4163@dodo.com.au says...
>
> "D Walford" <walford@iprimus.com.au> wrote in message
> news:44e6ad57$0$484$61c65585@uq-127creek-reader-
> >
> > Getting fined for being 3k over is IMO a myth mostly started by the info
> > on the fine documents.
>
> Yeah, you're right. 3km/h over the posted limit is a myth. It's actually 4
> :)
>
LOL I almost put 4 km/h.

Al
--
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It's more fun to insult everyone.
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[Ext User(Athol)]

Ron <X101@newsguy.com> wrote:

> However the "Mafia" is possibly doing well :-)
> I wonder what the Greek version is....

An amazing combination of two lines.

Do you know what "the greek mafia" refers to?

It's unique to the Newcastle/Lake Macquarie area...

Descendents of several greek immigrants, who dominate the ALP in the
local branches, allowing them to install whoever they want as the
candidates in "safe" labor seats. Merit is not part of the equation,
but family connection is!

--
Athol
<http://cust.idl.com.au/athol> Linux Registered User # 254000
I'm a Libran Engineer. I don't argue, I discuss.

[Ext User(Scotty)]

"Athol" <me@privacy.net> wrote in message
news:1156028738.858733@idlwebserver.idl.com.au...
> Ron <X101@newsguy.com> wrote:
>
>> However the "Mafia" is possibly doing well :-)
>> I wonder what the Greek version is....
>
> An amazing combination of two lines.
>
> Do you know what "the greek mafia" refers to?
>
> It's unique to the Newcastle/Lake Macquarie area...
>
> Descendents of several greek immigrants, who dominate the ALP in the
> local branches, allowing them to install whoever they want as the
> candidates in "safe" labor seats. Merit is not part of the equation,
> but family connection is!
>
> --
> Athol
> <http://cust.idl.com.au/athol> Linux Registered User # 254000
> I'm a Libran Engineer. I don't argue, I discuss

Sounds like "Its not what you know, its not who you know, but what you know
about who you know"!.