Apologies to Adelaide

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I thought they were done and dusted with their amazing run of injuries and
the illness to the Roo.
Very good effort yesterday, and well played.

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>I thought they were done and dusted with their amazing run of injuries and
>the illness to the Roo.
> Very good effort yesterday, and well played.


yeah they got to the top all year , based on a few players ...LOL

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>>I thought they were done and dusted with their amazing run of injuries and
>>the illness to the Roo.
>> Very good effort yesterday, and well played.
>
>
> yeah they got to the top all year , based on a few players ...LOL

Pardon my ignorance Krud, but I thought losing Burton, Mcleod, Roo and
Henschell might make a difference.
According to you losing several top players doesn't have a dramatic impact
on a team's performance?
If that's the case then Essendon really is a shit side, Lloyd or no Lloyd.
Yes?

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>>>I thought they were done and dusted with their amazing run of injuries
>>>and the illness to the Roo.
>>> Very good effort yesterday, and well played.
>>
>>
>> yeah they got to the top all year , based on a few players ...LOL
>
> Pardon my ignorance Krud, but I thought losing Burton, Mcleod, Roo and
> Henschell might make a difference.
> According to you losing several top players doesn't have a dramatic impact
> on a team's performance?
> If that's the case then Essendon really is a shit side, Lloyd or no Lloyd.

Adl are a top sides and top sides cover injuries , I doubt they will win the
flag but will go close ..... The Bluebirds on the other hand are 1 cold or
tummy ache to any player away from oblivion ......... So you better hope
like hell they all stay healthy all the time otherwise potential 15th will
be out of the question .......!


c];-)

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>>>>I thought they were done and dusted with their amazing run of injuries
>>>>and the illness to the Roo.
>>>> Very good effort yesterday, and well played.
>>>
>>>
>>> yeah they got to the top all year , based on a few players ...LOL
>>
>> Pardon my ignorance Krud, but I thought losing Burton, Mcleod, Roo and
>> Henschell might make a difference.
>> According to you losing several top players doesn't have a dramatic
>> impact on a team's performance?
>> If that's the case then Essendon really is a shit side, Lloyd or no
>> Lloyd.
>
> Adl are a top sides and top sides cover injuries , I doubt they will win
> the flag but will go close ..... The Bluebirds on the other hand are 1
> cold or tummy ache to any player away from oblivion ......... So you
> better hope like hell they all stay healthy all the time otherwise
> potential 15th will be out of the question .......!
>
>
> c];-)

I really can't be fucked Krud.
Yeah, we came last again, and I'm too pissed about my own team to bother
slagging yours.
31/2 wins is pathetic Krud, by anyone's standards.

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>>>>>I thought they were done and dusted with their amazing run of injuries
>>>>>and the illness to the Roo.
>>>>> Very good effort yesterday, and well played.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> yeah they got to the top all year , based on a few players ...LOL
>>>
>>> Pardon my ignorance Krud, but I thought losing Burton, Mcleod, Roo and
>>> Henschell might make a difference.
>>> According to you losing several top players doesn't have a dramatic
>>> impact on a team's performance?
>>> If that's the case then Essendon really is a shit side, Lloyd or no
>>> Lloyd.
>>
>> Adl are a top sides and top sides cover injuries , I doubt they will win
>> the flag but will go close ..... The Bluebirds on the other hand are 1
>> cold or tummy ache to any player away from oblivion ......... So you
>> better hope like hell they all stay healthy all the time otherwise
>> potential 15th will be out of the question .......!
>>
>>
>> c];-)
>
> I really can't be fucked Krud.
> Yeah, we came last again, and I'm too pissed about my own team to bother
> slagging yours.
> 31/2 wins is pathetic Krud, by anyone's standards.


chin up old son , it's done and dusted ... Being the third one in nearly as
many yrears .. they can't feel that bad anymore .....

We have trades and top drafts to think about now ..


I have to say (not being a smart arse here) .. it was not a good way to sign
the year off on .. if you kept up in the 2nd half it would have made it a
tad more easier to look forward from if you know wat I mean ........



c];-)

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>>>>>>I thought they were done and dusted with their amazing run of injuries
>>>>>>and the illness to the Roo.
>>>>>> Very good effort yesterday, and well played.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> yeah they got to the top all year , based on a few players ...LOL
>>>>
>>>> Pardon my ignorance Krud, but I thought losing Burton, Mcleod, Roo and
>>>> Henschell might make a difference.
>>>> According to you losing several top players doesn't have a dramatic
>>>> impact on a team's performance?
>>>> If that's the case then Essendon really is a shit side, Lloyd or no
>>>> Lloyd.
>>>
>>> Adl are a top sides and top sides cover injuries , I doubt they will win
>>> the flag but will go close ..... The Bluebirds on the other hand are 1
>>> cold or tummy ache to any player away from oblivion ......... So you
>>> better hope like hell they all stay healthy all the time otherwise
>>> potential 15th will be out of the question .......!
>>>
>>>
>>> c];-)
>>
>> I really can't be fucked Krud.
>> Yeah, we came last again, and I'm too pissed about my own team to bother
>> slagging yours.
>> 31/2 wins is pathetic Krud, by anyone's standards.
>
>
> chin up old son , it's done and dusted ... Being the third one in nearly
> as many yrears .. they can't feel that bad anymore .....
>
> We have trades and top drafts to think about now ..
>
>
> I have to say (not being a smart arse here) .. it was not a good way to
> sign the year off on .. if you kept up in the 2nd half it would have made
> it a tad more easier to look forward from if you know wat I mean ........
>
>
>
> c];-)

I expected 12+ goals with the team we had on the park, 5 blokes with less
than 10 games is a quarter of the team, and playing last years premiers at
home in the business end of the season.
I suppose 1, 17 and 19 can't hurt but we're still a fair way off the pace so
it's not gonna be 2007 that's for sure.
Can't interest you in Waite for Stanton?
Hardly touched the ball today after 1/4 time.
Pick 18 maybe?

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>>>>I thought they were done and dusted with their amazing run of injuries
>>>>and the illness to the Roo.
>>>>Very good effort yesterday, and well played.
>>>
>>>
>>>yeah they got to the top all year , based on a few players ...LOL
>>
>>Pardon my ignorance Krud, but I thought losing Burton, Mcleod, Roo and
>>Henschell might make a difference.
>>According to you losing several top players doesn't have a dramatic impact
>>on a team's performance?
>>If that's the case then Essendon really is a shit side, Lloyd or no Lloyd.
>
> Adl are a top sides and top sides cover injuries , I doubt they will win the
> flag but will go close ..... The Bluebirds on the other hand are 1 cold or
> tummy ache to any player away from oblivion ......... So you better hope
> like hell they all stay healthy all the time otherwise potential 15th will
> be out of the question .......!

That's the least polished evasion thus far :-P

Yes, Essendon are decidedly ordinary, because the absence of Lloyd
and Hird transformed them from 'danger team who is always likely to
sneak a goal on you at the worst moment, the bastards' to 'not a
significant threat.' To be fair, they have had other injuries, but
none you'd expect to make a difference - Henneman is not going to
win you a flag. He's not quite the player he was.

Adelaide are a good side, and can cover for such appalling losses.
Good sides are defined by their depth, but all sides have their
Achilles. The loss of McLeod is a loss of class - he runs, and does
it very well, but they all run. The loss of Burton is more serious,
because the rest of their midfield doesn't kick that many goals.
Combined with the loss of Hentschel and Ricciuto, it's put a serious
hole in their capacity to score per-unit-attack. Their midfield is
still very dangerous - Edwards and Goodwin being fed by Clarke and
Biglands is always sort of ominous - but they're not scoring as
easily from that midfield's efforts. McGregror too, of course.

Essendon can't cover that kind of thing that well, but will get
draft picks and swing back up eventually. A couple of years on the
bottom is not exactly out of the question, though. If Lloyd is back
and brilliant, but the Johnsons wane on a little, then you'll have a
terrific forward with no delivery.

Carlton have acquired what everyone so desperately wants - lots of
draft picks. They've done some godawful stupid trading away of those
picks, though. Hopefully for them, they won't fall for that again. I
think overall they're probably ahead of Essendon, but for the lack
of any leadership group in the vital 24-27 age group - no one to
drag up the kiddies. I don't think Carlton's problems have been
injuries, its more trying to manage the few experienced class
players they have, so they can get their new players doing sensible
things.

They've both got problems. Wouldn't care if either went under,
frankly. They're both Evil Clubs.

If I were Essendon or Carlton, apart from being very sad I was Evil,
I would offload players for more draft picks. Of course, I think
everyone pretty much wants to do that. For example - a frontrunner
like Houlihan, plus someone less obviously useless... Lappin, or
hell, Stevens - might buy you a pick from Brisbane or the Roos.
Equally, Essendon has numerous 'ok' players that can be moved on for
the sake of acquiring picks, and making space on the list for rookies.

Now. I've solved your problems. You figure out how to persuade Shane
Parker to play on for another decade.

Mark Shea

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>>>>>>>I thought they were done and dusted with their amazing run of
>>>>>>>injuries and the illness to the Roo.
>>>>>>> Very good effort yesterday, and well played.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> yeah they got to the top all year , based on a few players ...LOL
>>>>>
>>>>> Pardon my ignorance Krud, but I thought losing Burton, Mcleod, Roo and
>>>>> Henschell might make a difference.
>>>>> According to you losing several top players doesn't have a dramatic
>>>>> impact on a team's performance?
>>>>> If that's the case then Essendon really is a shit side, Lloyd or no
>>>>> Lloyd.
>>>>
>>>> Adl are a top sides and top sides cover injuries , I doubt they will
>>>> win the flag but will go close ..... The Bluebirds on the other hand
>>>> are 1 cold or tummy ache to any player away from oblivion ......... So
>>>> you better hope like hell they all stay healthy all the time otherwise
>>>> potential 15th will be out of the question .......!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> c];-)
>>>
>>> I really can't be fucked Krud.
>>> Yeah, we came last again, and I'm too pissed about my own team to bother
>>> slagging yours.
>>> 31/2 wins is pathetic Krud, by anyone's standards.
>>
>>
>> chin up old son , it's done and dusted ... Being the third one in nearly
>> as many yrears .. they can't feel that bad anymore .....
>>
>> We have trades and top drafts to think about now ..
>>
>>
>> I have to say (not being a smart arse here) .. it was not a good way to
>> sign the year off on .. if you kept up in the 2nd half it would have made
>> it a tad more easier to look forward from if you know wat I mean ........
>>
>>
>>
>> c];-)
>
> I expected 12+ goals with the team we had on the park, 5 blokes with less
> than 10 games is a quarter of the team, and playing last years premiers at
> home in the business end of the season.
> I suppose 1, 17 and 19 can't hurt but we're still a fair way off the pace
> so it's not gonna be 2007 that's for sure.
> Can't interest you in Waite for Stanton?
> Hardly touched the ball today after 1/4 time.
> Pick 18 maybe?


touched it as many times as FEV , you really have it in for the kid ........
no team is as bad as you played today ... you just have to forget it
happened
>
>

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>k r u d l e r wrote:
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>>>>>I thought they were done and dusted with their amazing run of injuries
>>>>>and the illness to the Roo.
>>>>>Very good effort yesterday, and well played.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>yeah they got to the top all year , based on a few players ...LOL
>>>
>>>Pardon my ignorance Krud, but I thought losing Burton, Mcleod, Roo and
>>>Henschell might make a difference.
>>>According to you losing several top players doesn't have a dramatic
>>>impact on a team's performance?
>>>If that's the case then Essendon really is a shit side, Lloyd or no
>>>Lloyd.
>>
>> Adl are a top sides and top sides cover injuries , I doubt they will win
>> the flag but will go close ..... The Bluebirds on the other hand are 1
>> cold or tummy ache to any player away from oblivion ......... So you
>> better hope like hell they all stay healthy all the time otherwise
>> potential 15th will be out of the question .......!
>
> That's the least polished evasion thus far :-P
>
> Yes, Essendon are decidedly ordinary, because the absence of Lloyd and
> Hird transformed them from 'danger team who is always likely to sneak a
> goal on you at the worst moment, the bastards' to 'not a significant
> threat.' To be fair, they have had other injuries, but none you'd expect
> to make a difference - Henneman is not going to win you a flag. He's not
> quite the player he was.


He was a player once ?


>
> Adelaide are a good side, and can cover for such appalling losses. Good
> sides are defined by their depth, but all sides have their Achilles. The
> loss of McLeod is a loss of class - he runs, and does it very well, but
> they all run. The loss of Burton is more serious, because the rest of
> their midfield doesn't kick that many goals. Combined with the loss of
> Hentschel and Ricciuto, it's put a serious hole in their capacity to score
> per-unit-attack. Their midfield is still very dangerous - Edwards and
> Goodwin being fed by Clarke and Biglands is always sort of ominous - but
> they're not scoring as easily from that midfield's efforts. McGregror too,
> of course.
>
> Essendon can't cover that kind of thing that well, but will get draft
> picks and swing back up eventually. A couple of years on the bottom is not
> exactly out of the question, though. If Lloyd is back and brilliant, but
> the Johnsons wane on a little, then you'll have a terrific forward with no
> delivery.


time will tell .... JJ had no pre season and was flying by seasons end ...
aka will star as he is a star .... Watson is our most improved and looks
like becoming a gun ... Stanton is a top liner . Dyson starting to show a
little , Dempsey is a long term prospect that will be a lot better next year
... Hird is Hird , Compo will be better next year and winderlick if he can
stay healthy was on the improve and I'm hoping for a lot more from that
player .... With Lloyd back to help Lucas and a "right" lovett around the
packs I think we'll be far more potent than this year .......


>
> Carlton have acquired what everyone so desperately wants - lots of draft
> picks. They've done some godawful stupid trading away of those picks,
> though. Hopefully for them, they won't fall for that again. I think
> overall they're probably ahead of Essendon, but for the lack of any
> leadership group in the vital 24-27 age group - no one to drag up the
> kiddies. I don't think Carlton's problems have been injuries, its more
> trying to manage the few experienced class players they have, so they can
> get their new players doing sensible things.



your opinion , time will tell I guess ... they have no one to help Fev and a
horrid back line .......

and now the only ruckman they had is gone ... who will ruck ?



>
> They've both got problems. Wouldn't care if either went under, frankly.
> They're both Evil Clubs.


Come on it's been years since the Lloyd/Lucas trade ... let bygones be
bygones ...



>
> If I were Essendon or Carlton, apart from being very sad I was Evil, I
> would offload players for more draft picks. Of course, I think everyone
> pretty much wants to do that. For example - a frontrunner like Houlihan,
> plus someone less obviously useless... Lappin, or hell, Stevens - might
> buy you a pick from Brisbane or the Roos.


No one wanted Lappin last year , why would they want him this year ... 1
year older ...1



> Equally, Essendon has numerous 'ok' players that can be moved on for the
> sake of acquiring picks, and making space on the list for rookies.

No one trades good draft picks for okay players ... that's the problem


>
> Now. I've solved your problems. You figure out how to persuade Shane
> Parker to play on for another decade.


after I convince Fletch ...


c];-)

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>>Yes, Essendon are decidedly ordinary, because the absence of Lloyd and
>>Hird transformed them from 'danger team who is always likely to sneak a
>>goal on you at the worst moment, the bastards' to 'not a significant
>>threat.' To be fair, they have had other injuries, but none you'd expect
>>to make a difference - Henneman is not going to win you a flag. He's not
>>quite the player he was.
>
> He was a player once ?

Sort of. So was Heffernan.

>>Adelaide are a good side, and can cover for such appalling losses. Good
>>sides are defined by their depth, but all sides have their Achilles. The
>>loss of McLeod is a loss of class - he runs, and does it very well, but
>>they all run. The loss of Burton is more serious, because the rest of
>>their midfield doesn't kick that many goals. Combined with the loss of
>>Hentschel and Ricciuto, it's put a serious hole in their capacity to score
>>per-unit-attack. Their midfield is still very dangerous - Edwards and
>>Goodwin being fed by Clarke and Biglands is always sort of ominous - but
>>they're not scoring as easily from that midfield's efforts. McGregror too,
>>of course.
>>
>>Essendon can't cover that kind of thing that well, but will get draft
>>picks and swing back up eventually. A couple of years on the bottom is not
>>exactly out of the question, though. If Lloyd is back and brilliant, but
>>the Johnsons wane on a little, then you'll have a terrific forward with no
>>delivery.
>
> time will tell .... JJ had no pre season and was flying by seasons end ...

Another year older, though.

> aka will star as he is a star ....

If you get him. They'll want something quite reasonable.

> Watson is our most improved and looks
> like becoming a gun ...

Uh...well... probably. He's quite good. I wouldn't bet the farm on
him, as it were.

> Stanton is a top liner . Dyson starting to show a
> little , Dempsey is a long term prospect that will be a lot better next year
> .. Hird is Hird ,

All fair, though next year is almost certainl Hird's last.

> Compo will be better next year and

Ha!

> With Lloyd back to help Lucas and a "right" lovett around the
> packs I think we'll be far more potent than this year .......

Lovett is small, and small forwards don't win games on their own,
I'm convinced.

The problem is that you now have three full-forwards - Lucas, Lloyd
and Johns, who I'm surprised you didn't mention. I think you'll have
to convince Johns to the the CHF work, or Lloyd, because Lucas (I
think) has shown just how much more valuable he is, when leading
from deep in attack, than trying to play as a CHF. He's just not
quick enough or complete enough.

> your opinion , time will tell I guess ... they have no one to help Fev and a
> horrid back line .......

The best defenders, I'm convinced, are now coming off rookie lists.
Failing that, draft guys as forwards and if they don't work out,
they play negative jobs on other forwards.

You won't recruit decent backmen from anywhere, I think. I worry
they'd go after Gaspar.

I think you underrate Waite and Fisher. Fisher's got 10 kilos to
add, and Waite has a kicking style to improve, but they're quite
solid prospects, IMO.

> and now the only ruckman they had is gone ... who will ruck ?

Gardiner.

>>They've both got problems. Wouldn't care if either went under, frankly.
>>They're both Evil Clubs.
>
> Come on it's been years since the Lloyd/Lucas trade ... let bygones be
> bygones ...

You're evil *arbitrarily*, not because of a trade. Essendon,
Carlton, Collingwood, Richmond - Evil. Port have a probabationary
membership.

Mark Shea

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>>>>>>>>I thought they were done and dusted with their amazing run of
>>>>>>>>injuries and the illness to the Roo.
>>>>>>>> Very good effort yesterday, and well played.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> yeah they got to the top all year , based on a few players ...LOL
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Pardon my ignorance Krud, but I thought losing Burton, Mcleod, Roo
>>>>>> and Henschell might make a difference.
>>>>>> According to you losing several top players doesn't have a dramatic
>>>>>> impact on a team's performance?
>>>>>> If that's the case then Essendon really is a shit side, Lloyd or no
>>>>>> Lloyd.
>>>>>
>>>>> Adl are a top sides and top sides cover injuries , I doubt they will
>>>>> win the flag but will go close ..... The Bluebirds on the other hand
>>>>> are 1 cold or tummy ache to any player away from oblivion ......... So
>>>>> you better hope like hell they all stay healthy all the time otherwise
>>>>> potential 15th will be out of the question .......!
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> c];-)
>>>>
>>>> I really can't be fucked Krud.
>>>> Yeah, we came last again, and I'm too pissed about my own team to
>>>> bother slagging yours.
>>>> 31/2 wins is pathetic Krud, by anyone's standards.
>>>
>>>
>>> chin up old son , it's done and dusted ... Being the third one in nearly
>>> as many yrears .. they can't feel that bad anymore .....
>>>
>>> We have trades and top drafts to think about now ..
>>>
>>>
>>> I have to say (not being a smart arse here) .. it was not a good way to
>>> sign the year off on .. if you kept up in the 2nd half it would have
>>> made it a tad more easier to look forward from if you know wat I mean
>>> ........
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> c];-)
>>
>> I expected 12+ goals with the team we had on the park, 5 blokes with less
>> than 10 games is a quarter of the team, and playing last years premiers
>> at home in the business end of the season.
>> I suppose 1, 17 and 19 can't hurt but we're still a fair way off the pace
>> so it's not gonna be 2007 that's for sure.
>> Can't interest you in Waite for Stanton?
>> Hardly touched the ball today after 1/4 time.
>> Pick 18 maybe?
>
>
> touched it as many times as FEV , you really have it in for the kid
> ........ no team is as bad as you played today ... you just have to forget
> it happened

The delivery to Fevola today was atrocious, even by our standards.
He got hit once, by Kouta, and kicked his one and only goal.
I haven't got it in for Waite in particular.
I just reckon he's over rated by many people and he's one of the few
tradeable players we've got.
Essendon haven't got an abundance either Krud so I wouldn't be hanging on
for trade week with any sense of anticipation if I were you.
An Essendon mate suggested to me yesterday that you trade Solly!!!
For what, I asked him, a 1978 Toyota Crown?

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>k r u d l e r wrote:
>> "Mark Shea" <zadeja@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>>>Yes, Essendon are decidedly ordinary, because the absence of Lloyd and
>>>Hird transformed them from 'danger team who is always likely to sneak a
>>>goal on you at the worst moment, the bastards' to 'not a significant
>>>threat.' To be fair, they have had other injuries, but none you'd expect
>>>to make a difference - Henneman is not going to win you a flag. He's not
>>>quite the player he was.
>>
>> He was a player once ?
>
> Sort of. So was Heffernan.
>
>>>Adelaide are a good side, and can cover for such appalling losses. Good
>>>sides are defined by their depth, but all sides have their Achilles. The
>>>loss of McLeod is a loss of class - he runs, and does it very well, but
>>>they all run. The loss of Burton is more serious, because the rest of
>>>their midfield doesn't kick that many goals. Combined with the loss of
>>>Hentschel and Ricciuto, it's put a serious hole in their capacity to
>>>score per-unit-attack. Their midfield is still very dangerous - Edwards
>>>and Goodwin being fed by Clarke and Biglands is always sort of ominous -
>>>but they're not scoring as easily from that midfield's efforts. McGregror
>>>too, of course.
>>>
>>>Essendon can't cover that kind of thing that well, but will get draft
>>>picks and swing back up eventually. A couple of years on the bottom is
>>>not exactly out of the question, though. If Lloyd is back and brilliant,
>>>but the Johnsons wane on a little, then you'll have a terrific forward
>>>with no delivery.
>>
>> time will tell .... JJ had no pre season and was flying by seasons end
>> ...
>
> Another year older, though.
>
>> aka will star as he is a star ....
>
> If you get him. They'll want something quite reasonable.
>
>> Watson is our most improved and looks like becoming a gun ...
>
> Uh...well... probably. He's quite good. I wouldn't bet the farm on him, as
> it were.
>
>> Stanton is a top liner . Dyson starting to show a little , Dempsey is a
>> long term prospect that will be a lot better next year .. Hird is Hird ,
>
> All fair, though next year is almost certainl Hird's last.
>
>> Compo will be better next year and
>
> Ha!
>
>> With Lloyd back to help Lucas and a "right" lovett around the packs I
>> think we'll be far more potent than this year .......
>
> Lovett is small, and small forwards don't win games on their own, I'm
> convinced.
>
> The problem is that you now have three full-forwards - Lucas, Lloyd and
> Johns, who I'm surprised you didn't mention. I think you'll have to
> convince Johns to the the CHF work, or Lloyd, because Lucas (I think) has
> shown just how much more valuable he is, when leading from deep in attack,
> than trying to play as a CHF. He's just not quick enough or complete
> enough.
>
>> your opinion , time will tell I guess ... they have no one to help Fev
>> and a horrid back line .......
>
> The best defenders, I'm convinced, are now coming off rookie lists.
> Failing that, draft guys as forwards and if they don't work out, they play
> negative jobs on other forwards.
>
> You won't recruit decent backmen from anywhere, I think. I worry they'd go
> after Gaspar.
>
> I think you underrate Waite and Fisher. Fisher's got 10 kilos to add, and
> Waite has a kicking style to improve, but they're quite solid prospects,
> IMO.
>
>> and now the only ruckman they had is gone ... who will ruck ?
>
> Gardiner.
>
>>>They've both got problems. Wouldn't care if either went under, frankly.
>>>They're both Evil Clubs.
>>
>> Come on it's been years since the Lloyd/Lucas trade ... let bygones be
>> bygones ...
>
> You're evil *arbitrarily*, not because of a trade. Essendon, Carlton,
> Collingwood, Richmond - Evil. Port have a probabationary membership.
>
> Mark Shea


Compo=Campo ....

I like Waite , think he is a player .....


C.J to survive will need to get very fit , very fast or might be trade bait
I see him as a CHF or CHB .. As you said no room for 3 tall forwards ...
lovett and monfries perfect crumbers off those blokes


Aka , I'd suggest to pretty close over the line in getting him ...


Gasper , nothing would surprise me ...


Don't forget we will get the best available out of contract player as The
birds won't be able to afford a top liner , if available ...

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>>>>>>>>>I thought they were done and dusted with their amazing run of
>>>>>>>>>injuries and the illness to the Roo.
>>>>>>>>> Very good effort yesterday, and well played.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> yeah they got to the top all year , based on a few players ...LOL
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Pardon my ignorance Krud, but I thought losing Burton, Mcleod, Roo
>>>>>>> and Henschell might make a difference.
>>>>>>> According to you losing several top players doesn't have a dramatic
>>>>>>> impact on a team's performance?
>>>>>>> If that's the case then Essendon really is a shit side, Lloyd or no
>>>>>>> Lloyd.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Adl are a top sides and top sides cover injuries , I doubt they will
>>>>>> win the flag but will go close ..... The Bluebirds on the other hand
>>>>>> are 1 cold or tummy ache to any player away from oblivion .........
>>>>>> So you better hope like hell they all stay healthy all the time
>>>>>> otherwise potential 15th will be out of the question .......!
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> c];-)
>>>>>
>>>>> I really can't be fucked Krud.
>>>>> Yeah, we came last again, and I'm too pissed about my own team to
>>>>> bother slagging yours.
>>>>> 31/2 wins is pathetic Krud, by anyone's standards.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> chin up old son , it's done and dusted ... Being the third one in
>>>> nearly as many yrears .. they can't feel that bad anymore .....
>>>>
>>>> We have trades and top drafts to think about now ..
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I have to say (not being a smart arse here) .. it was not a good way to
>>>> sign the year off on .. if you kept up in the 2nd half it would have
>>>> made it a tad more easier to look forward from if you know wat I mean
>>>> ........
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> c];-)
>>>
>>> I expected 12+ goals with the team we had on the park, 5 blokes with
>>> less than 10 games is a quarter of the team, and playing last years
>>> premiers at home in the business end of the season.
>>> I suppose 1, 17 and 19 can't hurt but we're still a fair way off the
>>> pace so it's not gonna be 2007 that's for sure.
>>> Can't interest you in Waite for Stanton?
>>> Hardly touched the ball today after 1/4 time.
>>> Pick 18 maybe?
>>
>>
>> touched it as many times as FEV , you really have it in for the kid
>> ........ no team is as bad as you played today ... you just have to
>> forget it happened
>
> The delivery to Fevola today was atrocious, even by our standards.
> He got hit once, by Kouta, and kicked his one and only goal.
> I haven't got it in for Waite in particular.
> I just reckon he's over rated by many people and he's one of the few
> tradeable players we've got.
> Essendon haven't got an abundance either Krud so I wouldn't be hanging on
> for trade week with any sense of anticipation if I were you.
> An Essendon mate suggested to me yesterday that you trade Solly!!!
> For what, I asked him, a 1978 Toyota Crown?


Solly has had a SHOCKER of a season , but I have to say was good in the last
4 games and did save us against you guys in those last seconds .. just for
that deserves a 1 year deal on average money .. say 150-200


>
>

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"k r u d l e r" <tell...it...to...the..hand@tv.com> wrote in message
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> Both good players , I think we'll go for Aka the best out of contract
> players we can get and the best kids we can get , maybe one trade .....
>
>
> with no ruckman I think that will be your number one priority in the trade
> week and there is a gun ruckman that will go top 4 in the draft ....

You mean Leuenberger? He's supposed to be very good, but I don't think he's
as good as Bryce Gibbs.

> so many players needed , so few picks .sigggggggghhhhhhh

Aye...it sucks they removed the really good priority pick. We could've got a
top quality midfielder (Gibbs) and a top quality key defender (Hansen) or
ruckman (Leuenberger)...hopefully there's something good still available
that fits those needs at 17 and 19...

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"k r u d l e r" <tell...it...to...the..hand@tv.com> wrote in message
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> touched it as many times as FEV , you really have it in for the kid
> ........ no team is as bad as you played today ... you just have to forget
> it happened

Yeah, pretty much the whole team looked like they just wanted it to be over
after 1/4 time...

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>> Both good players , I think we'll go for Aka the best out of contract
>> players we can get and the best kids we can get , maybe one trade .....
>>
>>
>> with no ruckman I think that will be your number one priority in the
>> trade week and there is a gun ruckman that will go top 4 in the draft
>> ....
>
> You mean Leuenberger? He's supposed to be very good, but I don't think
> he's as good as Bryce Gibbs.


I'm sure in the ruck he is a lot better !!!!!!!!

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>> touched it as many times as FEV , you really have it in for the kid
>> ........ no team is as bad as you played today ... you just have to
>> forget it happened
>
> Yeah, pretty much the whole team looked like they just wanted it to be
> over after 1/4 time...

of the season ......

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>> touched it as many times as FEV , you really have it in for the kid
>> ........ no team is as bad as you played today ... you just have to
>> forget it happened
>
> Yeah, pretty much the whole team looked like they just wanted it to be
> over after 1/4 time...

Except Carlos.
Played like his life depended on it.
Skinny, Scotto, Hoops, Blackwell, the two rookies and Fish all had a good
crack too.

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>>> touched it as many times as FEV , you really have it in for the kid
>>> ........ no team is as bad as you played today ... you just have to
>>> forget it happened
>>
>> Yeah, pretty much the whole team looked like they just wanted it to be
>> over after 1/4 time...
>
> Except Carlos.
> Played like his life depended on it.
> Skinny, Scotto, Hoops, Blackwell, the two rookies and Fish all had a good
> crack too.

Yeah, Carlos was great. There's a huge amount of potential there, it's just
a pity we can't get SOS to come down to the club and help him with some tips
on body positioning, etc.

Scotland, Carlos, Blackwell, Jackson and Bower were all pretty good. Skinny
had a pretty average game, but he did have a go.