VE Comm. -v- Falcon BF

[Ext User(mf1@project1221.com中华人民共和国)]

http://carsguide.news.com.au/story/0,20384,20226626-5003140,00.html

Holden can talk it up as much hype as they want-

Commodore....just.Not enough of a clear win by any means [And if towing
is your thing, the Falcon wins it]

Falcon also uses on average $6 week less ULP as in it goes better and
uses less fuel, thats with the 4 speed auto too, not the 6 speed auto

The guys must be reading my posts:

They bitched about VE:

Handbrake
Cruise Control
Folding Rear Seat
[They missed or didnt notice the fuel cap on wrong side]

I think the Aurion is a great chance to beat these 2

OUT!

[Ext User(Me)]

> [They missed or didnt notice the fuel cap on wrong side]

What's wrong with the fuel cap on the RHS?

[Ext User(Dan---)]

"Me" <Me@dude.com> wrote in message news:44fac62b$1@dnews.tpgi.com.au...
>
>> [They missed or didnt notice the fuel cap on wrong side]
>
> What's wrong with the fuel cap on the RHS?

Because some people have a fear of anything that is on the right hand side.
:-p


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Regards
Dan

[VYBerlinaV8]

Went and had a look at the VE on Saturday - the handbrake is just about the stupidest piece of design I have ever seen.

The car was nice, but didn't impress the pants off me. The salesmen saw my existing Berlina, and seemed quite keen to trade it (for a low low price I suspect) and asked me to come in during the week to test drive their new demo V8 Berlina. I said I'd think about it. In typical incompetent salesman style, they didn't ask for my details.

I doubt I'll bother - I have no plans to upgrade. It might drive nicely but it doesn't seem to me to be worth the extra $$ I would have to spend.

[Ext User(Reaper)]

"mf1@project1221.com???????<????? ???????? ????????? ???????PT-141& P2
Member" <auscars@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> http://carsguide.news.com.au/story/0,20384,20226626-5003140,00.html
> They bitched about VE:
>
> Handbrake
> Cruise Control
> Folding Rear Seat
> [They missed or didnt notice the fuel cap on wrong side]

WTF??? Last time I checked the fuel cap was on the Right side.
Furthermore, if all cars had the fuel filler on the same side, 1/2 the
petrol bowsers would be virtually un-usable.

Reaper

[Ext User(Greg)]

RE: the cruise control, one thing I have observed is that in the BA
Fairlane (and presumably all similar makes), the speed setting is too
coarse. I.e, the speed can only be set in discrete steps, and for those that
like to set their cruise speed very precisely, it's just not good enough.
The WL (=VZ) Statesman does not suffer from this problem - the cruise speed
is smoothly adjustable.

For this reason I don't use the cruise control in my Fairlane nearly as much
as I would otherwise.

Greg.

[Ext User(FuTAnT)]

"mf1@project1221.com???????<????? ???????? ????????? ???????PT-141& P2
Member" <auscars@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> http://carsguide.news.com.au/story/0,20384,20226626-5003140,00.html
>
> Holden can talk it up as much hype as they want-
>
> Commodore....just.Not enough of a clear win by any means [And if towing
> is your thing, the Falcon wins it]
>
> Falcon also uses on average $6 week less ULP as in it goes better and
> uses less fuel, thats with the 4 speed auto too, not the 6 speed auto
>
> The guys must be reading my posts:
>
> They bitched about VE:
>
> Handbrake
> Cruise Control
> Folding Rear Seat
> [They missed or didnt notice the fuel cap on wrong side]
>
> I think the Aurion is a great chance to beat these 2
>
> OUT!
>

Cue typical bitches about lack of RWD blah blah blah I'm a fucken pussy
comments.

It really makes you wonder, they spent all that money and came so close, yet
so far. I wonder how much more money they would need to invest to pick up
these faults almost immediately and work them into say next years car and
nip all this stuff in the bud.

[Ext User(Maxfli**)]

tsk tsk .Beleiving everything you read again. The journos *always* post
"close" results . What we have seen is the VE win every comparo to date .
that tells you the real story on their thoughts, as the comparo in print
will always "go down to the wire ". When the BA came out 4 years ago it just
pipped VY in a photo finish . /....same old .When i read between the lines
the VE is probably clearly the better car on what we have seen so far. but
they won't come out and say such things ...

maxfli
"mf1@project1221.com???????<????? ???????? ????????? ???????PT-141& P2
Member" <auscars@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> http://carsguide.news.com.au/story/0,20384,20226626-5003140,00.html
>
> Holden can talk it up as much hype as they want-
>
> Commodore....just.Not enough of a clear win by any means [And if towing
> is your thing, the Falcon wins it]
>
> Falcon also uses on average $6 week less ULP as in it goes better and
> uses less fuel, thats with the 4 speed auto too, not the 6 speed auto
>
> The guys must be reading my posts:
>
> They bitched about VE:
>
> Handbrake
> Cruise Control
> Folding Rear Seat
> [They missed or didnt notice the fuel cap on wrong side]
>
> I think the Aurion is a great chance to beat these 2
>
> OUT!

[Ext User(Petesin)]

"Greg" <greg.REMOVEsullivan@THIScomputer.org> wrote in message
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> RE: the cruise control, one thing I have observed is that in the BA
> Fairlane (and presumably all similar makes), the speed setting is too
> coarse. I.e, the speed can only be set in discrete steps, and for those
> that like to set their cruise speed very precisely, it's just not good
> enough. The WL (=VZ) Statesman does not suffer from this problem - the
> cruise speed is smoothly adjustable.

You're assuming that the speedo measuring your speed is precise ... maybe
you should rethink your presumtion.


>
> For this reason I don't use the cruise control in my Fairlane nearly as
> much as I would otherwise.
>
> Greg.
>

[Ext User(Greg)]

"Petesin" <wh@tthefuck> wrote in message
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>
> "Greg" <greg.REMOVEsullivan@THIScomputer.org> wrote in message
> news:44fb8b4a$0$26760$5a62ac22@per-qv1-newsreader-01.iinet.net.au...
>> RE: the cruise control, one thing I have observed is that in the BA
>> Fairlane (and presumably all similar makes), the speed setting is too
>> coarse. I.e, the speed can only be set in discrete steps, and for those
>> that like to set their cruise speed very precisely, it's just not good
>> enough. The WL (=VZ) Statesman does not suffer from this problem - the
>> cruise speed is smoothly adjustable.
>
> You're assuming that the speedo measuring your speed is precise ... maybe
> you should rethink your presumtion.

I check my speedos for accuracy regularly.

Greg.

[Ext User(googlegroups@sensation.net.au)]

Greg wrote:
> RE: the cruise control, one thing I have observed is that in the BA
> Fairlane (and presumably all similar makes), the speed setting is too
> coarse. I.e, the speed can only be set in discrete steps, and for those that
> like to set their cruise speed very precisely, it's just not good enough.
> The WL (=VZ) Statesman does not suffer from this problem - the cruise speed
> is smoothly adjustable.
>
> For this reason I don't use the cruise control in my Fairlane nearly as much
> as I would otherwise.

Maybe I'm missing something, but does it really matter if you're
driving at 99km/hr or 101km/hr when you actually want to do 100? While
I agree that the Ford cruise control can be a bit of a jerk as you step
up, you seem to be complaining about the speed it settles on rather
than the method of getting to it...

[Ext User(Greg)]

<googlegroups@sensation.net.au> wrote in message
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> Maybe I'm missing something, but does it really matter if you're
> driving at 99km/hr or 101km/hr when you actually want to do 100? While
> I agree that the Ford cruise control can be a bit of a jerk as you step
> up, you seem to be complaining about the speed it settles on rather
> than the method of getting to it...

Yes, it matters to me. I can't put the needle where I want it, and it
frustrates me.
The step size is just too great. (I think it's a little more than 2kph -
probably 3kph but I've not tried to measure it precisely yet).

I've never had this problem with any other make of car. I don't know
whether they've improved it in the BF or not. (anyone know?)

The speedos I've used seem to be very *repeatable* in their readouts. Not
necessarily accurate, but at least they give the same reading every time for
a given speed. My feeling is that they are more repeatable than the Ford
step size.

Yes, my speed can wander around a bit, more than the step size, but I
sometimes I like to "center" the needle on a point with more precision than
the Ford system allows.

The VE cruise control ergonomics would have to be absolutely *woeful* for me
to prefer it over the BA Ford, because of the step size issue. (I'm assuming
the VE cruise control doesn't suffer from the step size problem, because the
VZ doesn't have the problem, but I can't be sure)

Greg.

[Ext User(Rod)]

In article <44fcba49$0$26728$5a62ac22@per-qv1-newsreader-
01.iinet.net.au>, greg.REMOVEsullivan@THIScomputer.org says...

> The step size is just too great. (I think it's a little more than 2kph -
> probably 3kph but I've not tried to measure it precisely yet).

2kph is too great? It's 2kph by the manual and also my experience. If
I'm in cruise and go from a 70 to an 80 zone, I hit the button 5 times
and it increases my speed by 10kph. Incrementing less would be way too
much micromanagement.

Your cruise must be borked if you're having problems with it. I've owned
a number of cars with cruise control and the BA would be the first where
I could increment it reasonably. If you want to set it to the exact
speed you want, use your right foot then engage cruise control.


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Cheers,
Rod.

[Ext User(Greg)]

"Rod" <rodp@hotmail.com.removeme> wrote in message
news:MPG.1f676645ce973c51989818@news.iinet.net.au. ..
> In article <44fcba49$0$26728$5a62ac22@per-qv1-newsreader-
> 01.iinet.net.au>, greg.REMOVEsullivan@THIScomputer.org says...
>
>> The step size is just too great. (I think it's a little more than 2kph -
>> probably 3kph but I've not tried to measure it precisely yet).
>
> 2kph is too great? It's 2kph by the manual and also my experience. If
> I'm in cruise and go from a 70 to an 80 zone, I hit the button 5 times
> and it increases my speed by 10kph. Incrementing less would be way too
> much micromanagement.
>
> Your cruise must be borked if you're having problems with it. I've owned
> a number of cars with cruise control and the BA would be the first where
> I could increment it reasonably. If you want to set it to the exact
> speed you want, use your right foot then engage cruise control.
>

So it is 2kph - ok, thanks.

But why do you do it five times? All you have to do is *hold* the button
down, and the speed increases smoothly (albeit in steps :P ) while you hold
it. That's how it works in the Ford, and every other car I've tried. That's
why having a smoother adjustment isn't a problem at all.

I've tried adjusting the speed manually and then engaging the control a few
times. It's strange - it seems to hold the speed for a little while, and
then it drifts off to the nearest step, so I gave up on that too.

Greg.

[Ext User(Greg)]

I wrote:
>> Your cruise must be borked if you're having problems with it. I've owned
>> a number of cars with cruise control and the BA would be the first where
>> I could increment it reasonably. If you want to set it to the exact
>> speed you want, use your right foot then engage cruise control.
>>
>
> So it is 2kph - ok, thanks.
>
> But why do you do it five times? All you have to do is *hold* the button
> down, and the speed increases smoothly (albeit in steps :P ) while you
> hold it. That's how it works in the Ford, and every other car I've tried.
> That's why having a smoother adjustment isn't a problem at all.
>
> I've tried adjusting the speed manually and then engaging the control a
> few times. It's strange - it seems to hold the speed for a little while,
> and then it drifts off to the nearest step, so I gave up on that too.

I've just been for a drive, and yes, mine is incrementing in 2kph steps.
Moreover, this time I had no problems setting the speed precisely by
engaging the cruise control when travelling at the desired speed.
(I don't know why I had problems before, but I did try multiple times.
I was travelling much faster before though. It may be that all I was
witnessing was
the control system not being able to keep the car at a constant speed, due
to
changing conditions)

Also, I agree that if you want to change the speed by a relatively small
amount,
counting the button presses is far easier than holding the button down, due
to the fact
that it can overshoot if it's held down. Thanks.

I'd still like a smaller step size though, because it should be possible to
trim the speed precisely that way. It should not be necessary to travel at
exactly the desired speed with the cruise disabled. The best system I've
used to date is the Mercedes S500 (previous model), where it shows the set
speed digitally, and allows 1kph increments. I don't think it's
micromanagement at all.

Greg.

[Ext User(Rod)]

In article <44fcbc97$0$26769$5a62ac22@per-qv1-newsreader-
01.iinet.net.au>, greg.REMOVEsullivan@THIScomputer.org says...

> But why do you do it five times? All you have to do is *hold* the button
> down, and the speed increases smoothly (albeit in steps :P ) while you hold
> it.

It works just as well doing that. But I know I'll increase speed by
10kph if I hit it 5 times without having to look down at the speedo
and take my eyes off the road.

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Cheers,
Rod.

[Ext User(Ben Thomas)]

Rod wrote:
> In article <44fcba49$0$26728$5a62ac22@per-qv1-newsreader-
> 01.iinet.net.au>, greg.REMOVEsullivan@THIScomputer.org says...
>
>> The step size is just too great. (I think it's a little more than 2kph -
>> probably 3kph but I've not tried to measure it precisely yet).
>
> 2kph is too great? It's 2kph by the manual and also my experience. If
> I'm in cruise and go from a 70 to an 80 zone, I hit the button 5 times
> and it increases my speed by 10kph. Incrementing less would be way too
> much micromanagement.
>
> Your cruise must be borked if you're having problems with it. I've owned
> a number of cars with cruise control and the BA would be the first where
> I could increment it reasonably. If you want to set it to the exact
> speed you want, use your right foot then engage cruise control.
>
>

My car has preset cruise control speeds, so I can't set it to 95.5 if
that's what I happen to be doing at the time I hit cruise. Bizarrely
there are mostly 2kph steps but it jumps from 80 to 84 and 104 to 108 IIRC.

Ben

[Ext User(Rod)]

In article <44fccaae$0$26717$5a62ac22@per-qv1-newsreader-
01.iinet.net.au>, greg.REMOVEsullivan@THIScomputer.org says...

> The best system I've used to date is the Mercedes S500 (previous model)
> where it shows the set speed digitally, and allows 1kph increments.

Can you do it without taking your focus off the road?

> I don't think it's micromanagement at all.

Does 1kph make that much difference that I would have to hit the
increment speed button twice as often?

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Cheers,
Rod.

[Ext User(Greg)]

"Rod" <rodp@hotmail.com.removeme> wrote in message
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> Can you do it without taking your focus off the road?

No, but I can't check the speedo without taking my focus off the road
either.
Nor can I check anything else on the dash.
>
>> I don't think it's micromanagement at all.

>
> Does 1kph make that much difference that I would have to hit the
> increment speed button twice as often?

You do not need to hit the button twice as often if you first go at
*roughly* the
speed you want, and then fine tune it with the button. This is how I would
prefer to use cruise control. I do agree with you that given the Ford's
granular
control, though, the method you proposed is the best.

Greg.

[Ext User(Ben Thomas)]

Rod wrote:
> In article <44fccaae$0$26717$5a62ac22@per-qv1-newsreader-
> 01.iinet.net.au>, greg.REMOVEsullivan@THIScomputer.org says...
>
>> The best system I've used to date is the Mercedes S500 (previous model)
>> where it shows the set speed digitally, and allows 1kph increments.
>
> Can you do it without taking your focus off the road?
>
>> I don't think it's micromanagement at all.
>
> Does 1kph make that much difference that I would have to hit the
> increment speed button twice as often?
>

It would be useful when in light traffic. It would make it easier to
match another vehicles speed without having to cancel the cruise, use
the foot to pick the new speed then set the cruise agian.

Ben