1986 Gemini

[Ext User(DH)]

I am considering buying a 1986 Gemini as a first car for my daughter,
and I was wondering if it is a non-interference motor?

It has a broken cam belt, but is spotless otherwise, and if all it
requires is a new belt, then $200 seems to be a good price.
It doesn't seem to have bent valves - just no compression.

Thanks,
DH

[Ext User(Deltic)]

In article <1157452772.517981.296120@h48g2000cwc.googlegroups. com>,
"DH" <DavidSHarding@gmail.com> wrote:

> I am considering buying a 1986 Gemini as a first car for my daughter,
> and I was wondering if it is a non-interference motor?
>
> It has a broken cam belt, but is spotless otherwise, and if all it
> requires is a new belt, then $200 seems to be a good price.
> It doesn't seem to have bent valves - just no compression.
>
> Thanks,
> DH
>

"Non-interference" ?

[Ext User(John Henderson)]

Deltic wrote:

> "Non-interference" ?

Are you asking what it is, or giving a tentative answer?

In an interference engine, the valves can physically contact the
pistons if they get out of synchronization. A piston at
top-dead-centre will interfere with a fully open valve.
Because of the inertia in an engine that's turning, this will
bend valves at the very least.

A non-interference engine can spin without damage while the
valve train and pistons are in any rotational relationship with
each other.

A timing belt failure in an interference engine is a cause for
great financial grief.

John

[Ext User(Marco)]

DH wrote:

> I am considering buying a 1986 Gemini as a first car for my daughter,
> and I was wondering if it is a non-interference motor?
>
> It has a broken cam belt, but is spotless otherwise, and if all it
> requires is a new belt, then $200 seems to be a good price.
> It doesn't seem to have bent valves - just no compression.
>
> Thanks,
> DH

I owned a 1985 model a few years ago and I seem to remember that it is
an interference engine - but I don't have first hand experience of a
cam belt breaking.

A quick search on "Isuzu 4XC1 interference" found this link that
suggests it is:
http://www.preferredcomponents.com/isuzu.htm

Depending on how much it would cost you to fix, for the next-to-nothing
you are getting it for it would seem to be a good buy. Mine didn't
give me a lot of trouble in the four years that I owned it.

Marco

[Ext User(Toby Ponsenby)]

On Wed, 06 Sep 2006 07:07:39 +1000, John Henderson blathered on:

> A timing belt failure in an interference engine is a cause for
> great financial grief.
>
> John
Incidentally, belt driven cam interference engine designs are something
that car salesmen will ALWAYS lie about.
Service managers will 'often' lie about it.

[Ext User(Clockmeister)]

"Toby Ponsenby" <me@privacy.net> wrote in message
news:pan.2006.09.09.08.01.47.140451@privacy.net...
> On Wed, 06 Sep 2006 07:07:39 +1000, John Henderson blathered on:
>
>> A timing belt failure in an interference engine is a cause for
>> great financial grief.
>>
>> John
> Incidentally, belt driven cam interference engine designs are something
> that car salesmen will ALWAYS lie about.

Most wouldn't have a clue what you are talking about most likely.

> Service managers will 'often' lie about it.
>

A lot of them wouldn't have a clue either.

[Ext User(Noddy)]

"Clockmeister" <whowhere@andwhy.com> wrote in message
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> Most wouldn't have a clue what you are talking about most likely.

Agreed.

Most would have trouble telling you what colour a car is available in
without looking it up in the factory brochure, let alone be able to provide
detailed information about the engine.

The most successful car salesman I ever met knew absolutely *nothing* at all
about the cars he was selling, other than who made them. His ability to sell
the things had very little to do with his product knowledge, and everything
to do with his ability to be able to bullshit the leg off a butcher's table
at will.

He was a remarkable speaker who could converse at length about any random
subject you threw at him, and this ability allowed him to sell 101 cars in
his best month :)

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There's quite a few older cars around that are still in ok condition, and they are dirt cheap. I'd just move on and look for something that doesn't need work.

[Ext User(John McKenzie)]

Noddy wrote:
>
>
> He was a remarkable speaker who could converse at length about any random
> subject you threw at him, and this ability allowed him to sell 101 cars in
> his best month :)

Shit, that's better than all mitsubishi salesmen combined :)



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[Ext User(Noddy)]

"John McKenzie" <jmac@alphalink.com.au> wrote in message
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> Shit, that's better than all mitsubishi salesmen combined :)

Lol :)

Even though the dealer principal was over the moon, I bet he hated writing
out his commission cheque that month :)

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[Ext User(Clockmeister)]

"John McKenzie" <jmac@alphalink.com.au> wrote in message
news:450520E8.165E@alphalink.com.au...
> Noddy wrote:
>>
>>
>> He was a remarkable speaker who could converse at length about any random
>> subject you threw at him, and this ability allowed him to sell 101 cars
>> in
>> his best month :)
>
> Shit, that's better than all mitsubishi salesmen combined :)
>

lol, yeah I wonder what sort of bonuses they are getting offered for
shifting 380's...

[Ext User(OzOne)]

On Sun, 17 Sep 2006 00:33:26 +0800, "Clockmeister"
<whowhere@andwhy.com> scribbled thusly:

>
>"John McKenzie" <jmac@alphalink.com.au> wrote in message
>news:450520E8.165E@alphalink.com.au...
>> Noddy wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> He was a remarkable speaker who could converse at length about any random
>>> subject you threw at him, and this ability allowed him to sell 101 cars
>>> in
>>> his best month :)
>>
>> Shit, that's better than all mitsubishi salesmen combined :)
>>
>
>lol, yeah I wonder what sort of bonuses they are getting offered for
>shifting 380's...
>

Dunno Clocky....what bonuses are being offered to Holden sales people
to shift the growing stocks of VEs in the dealers yards?


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[Ext User(Clockmeister)]

<OzOne> wrote in message news:4b5pg2t8j6k3rahdcjhsqbrde696oak0vr@4ax.com...
> On Sun, 17 Sep 2006 00:33:26 +0800, "Clockmeister"
> <whowhere@andwhy.com> scribbled thusly:
>
>>
>>"John McKenzie" <jmac@alphalink.com.au> wrote in message
>>news:450520E8.165E@alphalink.com.au...
>>> Noddy wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> He was a remarkable speaker who could converse at length about any
>>>> random
>>>> subject you threw at him, and this ability allowed him to sell 101 cars
>>>> in
>>>> his best month :)
>>>
>>> Shit, that's better than all mitsubishi salesmen combined :)
>>>
>>
>>lol, yeah I wonder what sort of bonuses they are getting offered for
>>shifting 380's...
>>
>
> Dunno Clocky....what bonuses are being offered to Holden sales people
> to shift the growing stocks of VEs in the dealers yards?
>

http://carsguide.news.com.au/story/0,20384,20362960-21822,00.html

380 sales are apalling.

[Ext User(Noddy)]

"Clockmeister" <whowhere@andwhy.com> wrote in message
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> http://carsguide.news.com.au/story/0,20384,20362960-21822,00.html
>
> 380 sales are apalling.

Shit...

The VE has almost sold in one month what the 380 has in almost a year :)

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[Ext User(Dan---)]

>
> http://carsguide.news.com.au/story/0,20384,20362960-21822,00.html
>
> 380 sales are apalling.

Toyota still is on top but 1000 380's sold fucking hell no wonder when I ask
people do they know what a Mitsu 380 is they give me a blank stare and go a
what?
:-)


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[Ext User(atec 77)]

Dan--- wrote:
>> http://carsguide.news.com.au/story/0,20384,20362960-21822,00.html
>>
>> 380 sales are apalling.
>
> Toyota still is on top but 1000 380's sold fucking hell no wonder when I ask
> people do they know what a Mitsu 380 is they give me a blank stare and go a
> what?
> :-)
>
>
I saw one last week at the local shops , parked alongside a new corolla
.. the corolla was much larger than I expected and the 380 was .. well
the bodywork just didn't have a flow or continuity , its was ugly .

[Ext User(D Walford)]

Dan--- wrote:
>> http://carsguide.news.com.au/story/0,20384,20362960-21822,00.html
>>
>> 380 sales are apalling.
>
> Toyota still is on top but 1000 380's sold fucking hell no wonder when I ask
> people do they know what a Mitsu 380 is they give me a blank stare and go a
> what?
> :-)
>
>
Oddly enough I've seen a lot more 380's on the road than VE's, so far
I've only seen 4 VE's which isn't many when you consider I spent my day
driving all over Melb., they must be selling them all interstate because
they aren't selling many in Melb.
The VE I saw today was an SS which looks a hell of a lot nicer than the
Omega.


Daryl

[Ext User(Dan---)]

"> The VE I saw today was an SS which looks a hell of a lot nicer than the
> Omega.

It does indeed the Omega is very plain jane I would think maybe some better
wheels on it would make it look a bit better.

I think the SS is the best of the whole lot really in the looks.


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[Ext User(a9x5l)]

On Mon, 18 Sep 2006 15:16:45 +1000, D Walford wrote:

> Dan--- wrote:
>>> http://carsguide.news.com.au/story/0,20384,20362960-21822,00.html
>>>
>>> 380 sales are apalling.
>>
>> Toyota still is on top but 1000 380's sold fucking hell no wonder when I ask
>> people do they know what a Mitsu 380 is they give me a blank stare and go a
>> what?
>> :-)
>>
>>
> Oddly enough I've seen a lot more 380's on the road than VE's, so far
> I've only seen 4 VE's which isn't many when you consider I spent my day
> driving all over Melb., they must be selling them all interstate because
> they aren't selling many in Melb.
> The VE I saw today was an SS which looks a hell of a lot nicer than the
> Omega.

In the last week I've seen a heap of VE's(in south-east Melbourne),
especially SS's, even saw a HSV GTS yesterday! Maybe it's just taken a
while for dealers to get hold of them?

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[Ext User(OzOne)]

On Mon, 18 Sep 2006 00:23:26 GMT, "Noddy" <dg4163@dodo.com.au>
scribbled thusly:

>
>"Clockmeister" <whowhere@andwhy.com> wrote in message
>news:12grlh2a4k0p6cf@corp.supernews.com...
>
>> http://carsguide.news.com.au/story/0,20384,20362960-21822,00.html
>>
>> 380 sales are apalling.
>
>Shit...
>
>The VE has almost sold in one month what the 380 has in almost a year :)

Ahh the magic of the fleet sales..


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