how to tow start an auto

[Ext User(Catherine Jemma)]

I thought I'd add my sixpence worth, as comments relate that were from
another thread

Certain old models of auto trans can be push or tow started fairly easily,
they had one at least, oil pump driven from the back end of the trans so the
auto's oil pressure system which is used for control and communication
purposes got "powered up" by the back wheels turning. Therefore the
transmission suddenly realised the handle was in "2" and knew to engage that
gear

Most autos you'll likely come across nowadays cannot be roll/push/tow
started.....UNLESS.......

UNLESS that is your starter safety switch is defective (or you temporarily
bypass it)

The motor only needs to do a few turns in a row at good speed on the starter
motor, and this will drive the oilpump in the front of the trans, enough to
get control of the internal clutchy things that will then engage the gear,
which will allow the turning of the back of the trans to turn the front of
the trans which will then drive the front oilpump

Normally turning the key in "D" or "2" will do nothing, but assuming the
safety switch is bypassed, or has previously broken in a way that alows
starting in any gear handle position, Now get rolling at reasonable speed
down a hill or being towed at 25+ kmh, then after a couple of turns of the
startermotor and engine you'll suddenly feel a strong drag, just like
letting the clutch out in a manual car when push/tow starting it. Obviously
as soon as the front of the trans becomes turning at anything like good
speed the control oil pump thingy is upto full power within moments

If you need to start an old car in temperatures well below zero C then just
ask and I'll tell you how to do a 24 volt start without blowing things up !

cheerio
Cate

[Ext User(Albm&ctd)]

In article <4517b178@quokka.wn.com.au>, xena@agn.net.auREMOVEthis says...
>
> If you need to start an old car in temperatures well below zero C then just
> ask and I'll tell you how to do a 24 volt start without blowing things up !
>
We can hardly wait.

Al
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[Ext User(Michael C)]

"Catherine Jemma" <xena@agn.net.auREMOVEthis> wrote in message
news:4517b178@quokka.wn.com.au...
> Normally turning the key in "D" or "2" will do nothing, but assuming the
> safety switch is bypassed, or has previously broken in a way that alows
> starting in any gear handle position, Now get rolling at reasonable speed
> down a hill or being towed at 25+ kmh, then after a couple of turns of the
> startermotor and engine you'll suddenly feel a strong drag, just like
> letting the clutch out in a manual car when push/tow starting it.
> Obviously
> as soon as the front of the trans becomes turning at anything like good
> speed the control oil pump thingy is upto full power within moments

Once more reason to own a manual :-)

Michael

[Ext User(Noddy)]

"Michael C" <nospam@nospam.com> wrote in message
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> Once more reason to own a manual :-)

Yeah.

I can count on the fingers of one hand the number of times I've had a
starter or battery related problem that prevented me from going anywhere in
the last 30 years on the fingers of one hand and have four change.

I'd better get a manual :)

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Regards,
Noddy.

[Ext User(David Springthorpe)]

On Mon, 25 Sep 2006 13:28:58 GMT, "Noddy" <dg4163@(nospam)dodo.com.au>
wrote:

>I can count on the fingers of one hand the number of times I've had a
>starter or battery related problem that prevented me from going anywhere in
>the last 30 years on the fingers of one hand and have four change.

So, we've managed to work out it's happened at least twice.....

[Ext User(Albm&ctd)]

In article <4517d99a@news.comindico.com.au>, dg4163@(nospam)dodo.com.au
says...
>
> "Michael C" <nospam@nospam.com> wrote in message
> news:4517cca1$0$11969$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.a u...
>
> > Once more reason to own a manual :-)
>
> Yeah.
>
> I can count on the fingers of one hand the number of times I've had a
> starter or battery related problem that prevented me from going anywhere in
> the last 30 years on the fingers of one hand and have four change.
>
> I'd better get a manual :)
>
When I had an auto I used to carry a spare starter motor, fan belt,
alternator. The battery went open circuit but at least it waited until I
got home. The only other was the water pump pulley flew to pieces.
I towed a mates auto V8 commodore a considerable distance with my Lada.
NO amount of towing would have fixed it as the auto was blown to shit and
he left the engine running for brakes.

Al
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[Ext User(Robert Irvine)]

>>on the starter motor,
Which is really, really hard to do when you have a flat battery, which
after all is the most common reason you would be trying to push or tow
start the vehicle.

Rob.

"Catherine Jemma" <xena@agn.net.auREMOVEthis> wrote in message
news:4517b178@quokka.wn.com.au...
>I thought I'd add my sixpence worth, as comments relate that were from
> another thread
>
> Certain old models of auto trans can be push or tow started fairly
> easily,
> they had one at least, oil pump driven from the back end of the trans
> so the
> auto's oil pressure system which is used for control and communication
> purposes got "powered up" by the back wheels turning. Therefore the
> transmission suddenly realised the handle was in "2" and knew to
> engage that
> gear
>
> Most autos you'll likely come across nowadays cannot be roll/push/tow
> started.....UNLESS.......
>
> UNLESS that is your starter safety switch is defective (or you
> temporarily
> bypass it)
>
> The motor only needs to do a few turns in a row at good speed on the
> starter
> motor, and this will drive the oilpump in the front of the trans,
> enough to
> get control of the internal clutchy things that will then engage the
> gear,
> which will allow the turning of the back of the trans to turn the
> front of
> the trans which will then drive the front oilpump
>
> Normally turning the key in "D" or "2" will do nothing, but assuming
> the
> safety switch is bypassed, or has previously broken in a way that
> alows
> starting in any gear handle position, Now get rolling at reasonable
> speed
> down a hill or being towed at 25+ kmh, then after a couple of turns of
> the
> startermotor and engine you'll suddenly feel a strong drag, just like
> letting the clutch out in a manual car when push/tow starting it.
> Obviously
> as soon as the front of the trans becomes turning at anything like
> good
> speed the control oil pump thingy is upto full power within moments
>
> If you need to start an old car in temperatures well below zero C then
> just
> ask and I'll tell you how to do a 24 volt start without blowing things
> up !
>
> cheerio
> Cate
>
>

[Ext User(OzOne)]

On Tue, 26 Sep 2006 04:27:30 GMT, "Robert Irvine"
<Robert.Irvine@ILikeSpambigpond.com> scribbled thusly:

>>>on the starter motor,
>Which is really, really hard to do when you have a flat battery, which
>after all is the most common reason you would be trying to push or tow
>start the vehicle.
>
>Rob.

Trouble with a flat battery is that you need enough power to get EMC's
and injection pumps working......tow all you like but until you have
about 11 volts..it ain't gonna happen.


Oz1...of the 3 twins.

I welcome you to crackerbox palace,We've been expecting you.

[Ext User(Michael C)]

"Noddy" <dg4163@(nospam)dodo.com.au> wrote in message
news:4517d99a@news.comindico.com.au...
> Yeah.
>
> I can count on the fingers of one hand the number of times I've had a
> starter or battery related problem that prevented me from going anywhere
> in the last 30 years on the fingers of one hand and have four change.
>
> I'd better get a manual :)

You're so predicatable noddy :-) I never said it was the overriding reason
to get a manual just that it was one more reason. I've had to roll start the
rx7 on 2 occassions since I got it. When I say occassions it was a period of
about a week each. Both times the battery died and I was too slack to get
another straight away. No real need if you can just roll backwards down the
driveway. If i'd had an auto I would have had to call marshall or racv.


>
> --
> Regards,
> Noddy.
>
>
>

[Ext User(Michael C)]

"David Springthorpe" <david.springthorpe@idx.com.au> wrote in message
news:lq3hh25rq5rjo8g4s7d2hmnomv0hm4k4ot@4ax.com...
> So, we've managed to work out it's happened at least twice.....

LOL! Damn I'm slow today. Took me a full 5 minutes to get that.

[Ext User(Michael C)]

<OzOne> wrote in message news:7iehh2dlp5n0hamk7tui63k0lajudhceqq@4ax.com...
> Trouble with a flat battery is that you need enough power to get EMC's
> and injection pumps working......tow all you like but until you have
> about 11 volts..it ain't gonna happen.

Unless you've left the lights on, most of the time you'll have enough power.

>
>
> Oz1...of the 3 twins.
>
> I welcome you to crackerbox palace,We've been expecting you.

[Ext User(David Springthorpe)]

On Wed, 27 Sep 2006 00:25:56 +1000, "Michael C" <nospam@nospam.com>

>LOL! Damn I'm slow today. Took me a full 5 minutes to get that.

You got 6+ fingers on each hand also eh ?

[Ext User(the_dawggie)]

David Springthorpe wrote:
> On Mon, 25 Sep 2006 13:28:58 GMT, "Noddy" <dg4163@(nospam)dodo.com.au>
> wrote:
>
> >I can count on the fingers of one hand the number of times I've had a
> >starter or battery related problem that prevented me from going anywhere in
> >the last 30 years on the fingers of one hand and have four change.
>
> So, we've managed to work out it's happened at least twice.....

Well, Noddy, I don't think was a "Simpsons" character, however
that's also possible it's never been a problem.

Bah! we have calculators now for counting, five fingers is a few
to many, could prolly throw the four change away.

[Ext User(Albm&ctd)]

In article <451937db$0$22937$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au>,
nospam@nospam.com says...
> "Noddy" <dg4163@(nospam)dodo.com.au> wrote in message
> news:4517d99a@news.comindico.com.au...
> > Yeah.
> >
> > I can count on the fingers of one hand the number of times I've had a
> > starter or battery related problem that prevented me from going anywhere
> > in the last 30 years on the fingers of one hand and have four change.
> >
> > I'd better get a manual :)
>
> You're so predicatable noddy :-) I never said it was the overriding reason
> to get a manual just that it was one more reason. I've had to roll start the
> rx7 on 2 occassions since I got it. When I say occassions it was a period of
> about a week each. Both times the battery died and I was too slack to get
> another straight away. No real need if you can just roll backwards down the
> driveway. If i'd had an auto I would have had to call marshall or racv.
>
You could have wrapped one of your kinky fishnet stockings around the
front pulley and started it like an old Victa utility rock chucker
lawnmower.

Al
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It's more fun to insult everyone.
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[Ext User(Albm&ctd)]

In article <4519388b$0$5110$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au>,
nospam@nospam.com says...
> <OzOne> wrote in message news:7iehh2dlp5n0hamk7tui63k0lajudhceqq@4ax.com...
> > Trouble with a flat battery is that you need enough power to get EMC's
> > and injection pumps working......tow all you like but until you have
> > about 11 volts..it ain't gonna happen.
>
> Unless you've left the lights on, most of the time you'll have enough power.
>
What if you've got a dead alternator?

Al
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It's more fun to insult everyone.
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[Ext User(Bernd Felsche)]

Albm&ctd <alb_mandctdNOWMD@connexus.net.au> writes:
>nospam@nospam.com says...
>> "Noddy" <dg4163@(nospam)dodo.com.au> wrote in message

>> > I can count on the fingers of one hand the number of times I've
>> > had a starter or battery related problem that prevented me from
>> > going anywhere in the last 30 years on the fingers of one hand
>> > and have four change.

>> > I'd better get a manual :)

Lucky it's not a new Golf, etc. Faulty brake switches have the brake
lights come on even when nobody's in the car and run down the battery
overnight. Common fault but no official recall despite the fact that
the intermittent/implausible pedal signal causes the engine to reduce
output power, disable cruise control and may well impair the brake
assistance function.

Cars are more and more dependent on reliable energy storage. At
least one can still unlock the Golf with a key and then release the
bonnet to get to the battery!
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[Ext User(OzOne)]

On Wed, 27 Sep 2006 00:27:06 +1000, "Michael C" <nospam@nospam.com>
scribbled thusly:

><OzOne> wrote in message news:7iehh2dlp5n0hamk7tui63k0lajudhceqq@4ax.com...
>> Trouble with a flat battery is that you need enough power to get EMC's
>> and injection pumps working......tow all you like but until you have
>> about 11 volts..it ain't gonna happen.
>
>Unless you've left the lights on, most of the time you'll have enough power.
>

That's usually what causes a flat battery


Oz1...of the 3 twins.

I welcome you to crackerbox palace,We've been expecting you.

[Ext User(the_dawggie)]

Albm&ctd wrote:
> In article <4519388b$0$5110$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au>,
> nospam@nospam.com says...
> > <OzOne> wrote in message news:7iehh2dlp5n0hamk7tui63k0lajudhceqq@4ax.com...
> > > Trouble with a flat battery is that you need enough power to get EMC's
> > > and injection pumps working......tow all you like but until you have
> > > about 11 volts..it ain't gonna happen.
> >
> > Unless you've left the lights on, most of the time you'll have enough power.
> >
> What if you've got a dead alternator?

Or if you are Muttley, err, the Dawggie:

I need feck all power for the fuel injection pump
solenoid. I could just simply push vehicle backwards
otta garage with foot hanging out driver's side door
while in reverse gear.

Battery and alternator stuffed would need prolly a 9v
battery, or better, one of those 12V gell cells to get me going.

Bugger it, unscrew the solenoid and jamb something in there -
don't need no stinking glow plugs neither.

[Ext User(Rainbow Warrior)]

"Albm&ctd" <alb_mandctdNOWMD@connexus.net.au> wrote in message
news:MPG.1f8265d7ff834aa3989b44@news.readfreenews. net...
> In article <4517b178@quokka.wn.com.au>, xena@agn.net.auREMOVEthis says...
>>
>> If you need to start an old car in temperatures well below zero C then
>> just
>> ask and I'll tell you how to do a 24 volt start without blowing things up
>> !
>>
> We can hardly wait.
>
> Al

I'm intriged to know how to do a 24v start with one battery

[Ext User(Rainbow Warrior)]

"Michael C" <nospam@nospam.com> wrote in message
news:4517cca1$0$11969$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.a u...
> "Catherine Jemma" <xena@agn.net.auREMOVEthis> wrote in message
> news:4517b178@quokka.wn.com.au...
>> Normally turning the key in "D" or "2" will do nothing, but assuming the
>> safety switch is bypassed, or has previously broken in a way that alows
>> starting in any gear handle position, Now get rolling at reasonable speed
>> down a hill or being towed at 25+ kmh, then after a couple of turns of
>> the
>> startermotor and engine you'll suddenly feel a strong drag, just like
>> letting the clutch out in a manual car when push/tow starting it.
>> Obviously
>> as soon as the front of the trans becomes turning at anything like good
>> speed the control oil pump thingy is upto full power within moments
>
> Once more reason to own a manual :-)
>
> Michael

I had a van that wouldn't clutch start on LPG, because it needed to get oil
pressure up before it would turn on the gas solenoid.
Petrol I could start it no problem providing I parked it on petrol with the
fuel bowl full.
I'v put up with dodgy starters for weeks push starting & clutch starting
cars, I even had a crank starter on my Landrover