Is This Right?

[Ext User(brian w edginton)]

Zdnet Aus are saying country 3g services will be carried on GSM
http://www.zdnet.com.au/news/communications/soa/Telstra_3G_mobile_service_goes_live/0,130061791,139210029,00.htm
Have they got it right?
They also say video services won't be available to GSM 3g users.


If this was a perfect world, we, probably, wouldn't
be in it.

[Ext User(Glenn P)]

"brian w edginton" <edgo.1@bigpond.com> wrote in message
news:0lndi2tmgrts8lcfeja1b58cqmrkrngv4g@4ax.com...
> Zdnet Aus are saying country 3g services will be carried on GSM
> http://www.zdnet.com.au/news/communications/soa/Telstra_3G_mobile_service_goes_live/0,130061791,139210029,00.htm
> Have they got it right?
> They also say video services won't be available to GSM 3g users.
>
>

Wouldn't surprise me.

Reading other reports elsewhere it looks like Telstra's made another poor
decision & wasted more money on the wrong technology.

You may want to read these:
http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/story/0,21985,20535600-664,00.html

http://www.crikey.com.au/Business/20061006-The-Optus-response-to-Telstras-new-network.html

Cheers
GlennP.

[Ext User(brian w edginton)]

On Sat, 7 Oct 2006 10:42:59 +1000, "Glenn P"
<pleasereply@newsgroups.com.au> wrote:

>
>"brian w edginton" <edgo.1@bigpond.com> wrote in message
>news:0lndi2tmgrts8lcfeja1b58cqmrkrngv4g@4ax.com...
>> Zdnet Aus are saying country 3g services will be carried on GSM
>> http://www.zdnet.com.au/news/communications/soa/Telstra_3G_mobile_service_goes_live/0,130061791,139210029,00.htm
>> Have they got it right?
>> They also say video services won't be available to GSM 3g users.
>>
>>
>
>Wouldn't surprise me.
>
>Reading other reports elsewhere it looks like Telstra's made another poor
>decision & wasted more money on the wrong technology.
>
>You may want to read these:
>http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/story/0,21985,20535600-664,00.html
>
>http://www.crikey.com.au/Business/20061006-The-Optus-response-to-Telstras-new-network.html
>
>Cheers
>GlennP.
>


Thanks for the links.
Actually heard Budde on radio this morning.
He isn't impressed by the hype.

Back to the ZDnet thing, this doesn't fit what Telstra is saying...at
least what I THINK they are saying.
Pretty sure they are saying that, if you have CDMA reception, now, you
will get 3g
Implication was that all CDMA towers have the new system.
I mean, CDMA is, supposedly, available to 98% of the population....the
same as for 3g.
Like, GSM isn't that available. Is it?
Telstra GSM is crap where I live. Voda and Optus are great.


Didn't like the bit on Crikey......looks like my Moto V3X isn't gonna
work. Was told it would.

Well, actually, 3g , at its best, isn't gonna be much to me.
Just hate bullshit.


If this was a perfect world, we, probably, wouldn't
be in it.

[Ext User(John Newman)]

"brian w edginton" <edgo.1@bigpond.com> wrote in message
news:omudi25g6d61v075k3gvrjogfnqanj1s99@4ax.com...
> On Sat, 7 Oct 2006 10:42:59 +1000, "Glenn P"
> <pleasereply@newsgroups.com.au> wrote:
>
>>
>>"brian w edginton" <edgo.1@bigpond.com> wrote in message
>>news:0lndi2tmgrts8lcfeja1b58cqmrkrngv4g@4ax.com...
>>> Zdnet Aus are saying country 3g services will be carried on GSM
>>> http://www.zdnet.com.au/news/communications/soa/Telstra_3G_mobile_service_goes_live/0,130061791,139210029,00.htm
>>> Have they got it right?
>>> They also say video services won't be available to GSM 3g users.
>>>
>>>
>>
>>Wouldn't surprise me.
>>
>>Reading other reports elsewhere it looks like Telstra's made another poor
>>decision & wasted more money on the wrong technology.
>>
>>You may want to read these:
>>http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/story/0,21985,20535600-664,00.html
>>
>>http://www.crikey.com.au/Business/20061006-The-Optus-response-to-Telstras-new-network.html
>>
>>Cheers
>>GlennP.
>>
>
>
> Thanks for the links.
> Actually heard Budde on radio this morning.
> He isn't impressed by the hype.
>
> Back to the ZDnet thing, this doesn't fit what Telstra is saying...at
> least what I THINK they are saying.
> Pretty sure they are saying that, if you have CDMA reception, now, you
> will get 3g
> Implication was that all CDMA towers have the new system.
> I mean, CDMA is, supposedly, available to 98% of the population....the
> same as for 3g.
> Like, GSM isn't that available. Is it?
> Telstra GSM is crap where I live. Voda and Optus are great.
>
>
> Didn't like the bit on Crikey......looks like my Moto V3X isn't gonna
> work. Was told it would.
>
> Well, actually, 3g , at its best, isn't gonna be much to me.
> Just hate bullshit.
>
>
> If this was a perfect world, we, probably, wouldn't
> be in it.


Look at the date of the article

[Ext User(Rod Speed)]

Glenn P <pleasereply@newsgroups.com.au> wrote
> brian w edginton <edgo.1@bigpond.com> wrote

>> Zdnet Aus are saying country 3g services will be carried on GSM
>> http://www.zdnet.com.au/news/communications/soa/Telstra_3G_mobile_service_goes_live/0,130061791,139210029,00.htm
>> Have they got it right?
>> They also say video services won't be available to GSM 3g users.

> Wouldn't surprise me.

> Reading other reports elsewhere it looks like Telstra's made another
> poor decision & wasted more money on the wrong technology.

Likely, but these two dont prove a damned thing on that.

> You may want to read these:
> http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/story/0,21985,20535600-664,00.html

Budde has always been a fool. This mindless shit in spades

>>> Mr Budde said if Telstra listened to customers, it would have pressed ahead with plans for a
>>> fibre-optic broadband service to peoples’ homes.

>>> “The customers have been screaming out for proper broadband on their home networks. They want it
>>> on their PCs.”

Mindlessly silly when fuck all even bother with 1500.

> http://www.crikey.com.au/Business/20061006-The-Optus-response-to-Telstras-new-network.html

Just the usual desperate attempt by a competitor to put up a smokescreen.

[Ext User(Rod Speed)]

brian w edginton <edgo.1@bigpond.com> wrote:

> Zdnet Aus are saying country 3g services will be carried on GSM
> http://www.zdnet.com.au/news/communications/soa/Telstra_3G_mobile_service_goes_live/0,130061791,139210029,00.htm
> Have they got it right?
> They also say video services won't be available to GSM 3g users.

That aint the NextG they announced yesterday, its a completely
different 3G system, on GSM, in conjunction with Hutchison.

[Ext User(Bubba)]

This article is twelve months old
Look at the date

"Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:4oopp9Ffb08jU1@individual.net...
> brian w edginton <edgo.1@bigpond.com> wrote:
>
>> Zdnet Aus are saying country 3g services will be carried on GSM
>> http://www.zdnet.com.au/news/communications/soa/Telstra_3G_mobile_service_goes_live/0,130061791,139210029,00.htm
>> Have they got it right?
>> They also say video services won't be available to GSM 3g users.
>
> That aint the NextG they announced yesterday, its a completely
> different 3G system, on GSM, in conjunction with Hutchison.
>

[Ext User(brian w edginton)]

On Sat, 07 Oct 2006 06:03:53 GMT, "Bubba" <drinazz+remove@hotmail.com>
wrote:

>This article is twelve months old
>Look at the date
>
>"Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote in message
>news:4oopp9Ffb08jU1@individual.net...
>> brian w edginton <edgo.1@bigpond.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Zdnet Aus are saying country 3g services will be carried on GSM
>>> http://www.zdnet.com.au/news/communications/soa/Telstra_3G_mobile_service_goes_live/0,130061791,139210029,00.htm
>>> Have they got it right?
>>> They also say video services won't be available to GSM 3g users.
>>
>> That aint the NextG they announced yesterday, its a completely
>> different 3G system, on GSM, in conjunction with Hutchison.
>>
>


No worries.
Just spent an hour or so on the phone with Telstra.
They are giving me the phone (Moto V3x) and cancelling the remaining
18 months of my my contract.
Also sending me a new phone that is, truly, Next Gen capable.
Cheaper contract.

Hey!
Will I, really, be able to use it as a modem for my PC????

Too good to be true??

I will continue using the Moto on my Simplus service. Maybe.


If this was a perfect world, we, probably, wouldn't
be in it.

[Ext User(Emjaye)]

brian w edginton wrote:

> Back to the ZDnet thing, this doesn't fit what Telstra is saying...at
> least what I THINK they are saying.
> Pretty sure they are saying that, if you have CDMA reception, now, you
> will get 3g
> Implication was that all CDMA towers have the new system.

I read a news item in the technology section of the Age newspaper today.
According to it, initial rollout won't have the same level of coverage
as CDMA, but it should towards the end of 2008, after which CDMA will be
decommissioned.

Then you get the likes of "Michael" in a Usenet newsgroup who claims
that all CMDA towers have 3G 850 cells that are now operational.

So, who do you believe - some character on Usenet or a major media
outlet who you would hope has researched the basics with its news
article?

[Ext User(brian w edginton)]

On 9 Oct 2006 04:02:32 +0200, Emjaye <emjaye_t@yarwho.com.au> wrote:

>brian w edginton wrote:
>
>> Back to the ZDnet thing, this doesn't fit what Telstra is saying...at
>> least what I THINK they are saying.
>> Pretty sure they are saying that, if you have CDMA reception, now, you
>> will get 3g
>> Implication was that all CDMA towers have the new system.
>
>I read a news item in the technology section of the Age newspaper today.
>According to it, initial rollout won't have the same level of coverage
>as CDMA, but it should towards the end of 2008, after which CDMA will be
>decommissioned.
>
>Then you get the likes of "Michael" in a Usenet newsgroup who claims
>that all CMDA towers have 3G 850 cells that are now operational.
>
>So, who do you believe - some character on Usenet or a major media
>outlet who you would hope has researched the basics with its news
>article?
>


Been a bit bemused by the lack of response to my query.
Thanks for yours.

Still not sure about the accuracy of the ZDnet article, Like, will
rural NextGen be carried on GSM.
Telstra's news releases suggests it will have the same range and
coverage of the old CDMA network. I don't believe that the GSM network
could match those.

Also, a bit curious....Telstra salesman who cancelled my contract on
my "old" G3 phone and is sending me a replacement, says I can use it
as a modem to replace my steam-powered dialup.

Anyone give me some low-tech stuff on that.
I am an old bloke.

---------------------------------------------------------------


If this was a perfect world, we, probably, wouldn't
be in it.

[Ext User(Emjaye)]

brian w edginton wrote:

> Been a bit bemused by the lack of response to my query.
> Thanks for yours.

Sorright. Not that it was of much help.

Anyway, I visited the two local Testra mobile shops today. One had
nothing, not even posters or other promo material. The other had all 5
phones that are available. The ZTE phone, branded as the "Telstra 850"
is thin, light and feels flimsy when playing with keypad, switches, etc.
Plus the screen doesn't appear to look that flash. Probably
understandable that it's on the cheapest plan.

I then played with the LG model. Hmm, nothing to write home about. More
solidly constructed. I then looked at the two Samsung models. Each are
on a par with each other as far as screen res. and quality goes. The
A701's on a $40 plan for zero upfront dinaries. The A701 supposedly has
some better features, but I'm not sure what. The cheaper one, the A501
is on a $30 plan.

The 501 doesn't support phonebook management via PC software. Only sync
with Outlook Express exported phonebook *.wab files. I don't know if the
A701 has direct phone book management via software.

Both have Bluetooth. Neither have IR connectivity.

They had an I-Mate Jasjam. I could do with a new PDA, but I doubt that I
could sneak this one past the business accountant/Admin Manager on a
salary sacrifice deal. A fellow at work who bought a PDA/GPS unit got
knocked back. Even though the ATO allows it, this prick doesn't. It has
to be a PDA-only unit. So, that counts the Jasjam out for me as I can't
justify an $80/mth plan. It's also heavy and a bit bulky. As it has no
flip top cover, I'd be concerned about its exposed screen and controls.
I don't know what acessories come with it. Hopefully some sort of case
to keep it in. But that'd be a pain when you get a call and the damned
thing goes to message bank two nano-seconds after it starts ringing...

The signal for our area is good. What it's like out of town compared to
CDMA, I don't know. The sales droid couldn't tell me, either. His
recommendation was to give it a month or two for the bugs to be ironed
out and to see what other mobiles will be released.

Also checked out the video calling feature on the Samsung A501. I called
my daughter who's on the Three network. She has a 3G LG which is about 8
months old. The picture quality was good, but video motion was jerky.
Audio hiccuped a bit at times, like what happens when I'm on a VOIP call
and the network is getting a flogging with Bit Torrent activity.
Otherwise it's bearable. Certainly wouldn't be using it that much given
the cost of video calls.

The internet side of things were a bit flaky. Some pages that I tried to
navigate to produced a message; "Page has no content. Try again?" which I
did. Sometimes a 2nd or 3rd attempt was needed before the content would
download.

As this is my first experience with 3G services, other than a quick look
at my daughter's phone when she first got it, it's hard to make any
judgements, particularly as it's a brand new service.

I'll revisit it in a coupla months' time.

[Ext User(brian w edginton)]

On 9 Oct 2006 14:30:38 +0200, Emjaye <emjaye_t@yarwho.com.au> wrote:

>brian w edginton wrote:
>
>> Been a bit bemused by the lack of response to my query.
>> Thanks for yours.
>
>Sorright. Not that it was of much help.
>
>Anyway, I visited the two local Testra mobile shops today. One had
>nothing, not even posters or other promo material. The other had all 5
>phones that are available. The ZTE phone, branded as the "Telstra 850"
>is thin, light and feels flimsy when playing with keypad, switches, etc.
>Plus the screen doesn't appear to look that flash. Probably
>understandable that it's on the cheapest plan.
>
>I then played with the LG model. Hmm, nothing to write home about. More
>solidly constructed. I then looked at the two Samsung models. Each are
>on a par with each other as far as screen res. and quality goes. The
>A701's on a $40 plan for zero upfront dinaries. The A701 supposedly has
>some better features, but I'm not sure what. The cheaper one, the A501
>is on a $30 plan.
>
>The 501 doesn't support phonebook management via PC software. Only sync
>with Outlook Express exported phonebook *.wab files. I don't know if the
>A701 has direct phone book management via software.
>
>Both have Bluetooth. Neither have IR connectivity.
>
>They had an I-Mate Jasjam. I could do with a new PDA, but I doubt that I
>could sneak this one past the business accountant/Admin Manager on a
>salary sacrifice deal. A fellow at work who bought a PDA/GPS unit got
>knocked back. Even though the ATO allows it, this prick doesn't. It has
>to be a PDA-only unit. So, that counts the Jasjam out for me as I can't
>justify an $80/mth plan. It's also heavy and a bit bulky. As it has no
>flip top cover, I'd be concerned about its exposed screen and controls.
>I don't know what acessories come with it. Hopefully some sort of case
>to keep it in. But that'd be a pain when you get a call and the damned
>thing goes to message bank two nano-seconds after it starts ringing...
>
>The signal for our area is good. What it's like out of town compared to
>CDMA, I don't know. The sales droid couldn't tell me, either. His
>recommendation was to give it a month or two for the bugs to be ironed
>out and to see what other mobiles will be released.
>
>Also checked out the video calling feature on the Samsung A501. I called
>my daughter who's on the Three network. She has a 3G LG which is about 8
>months old. The picture quality was good, but video motion was jerky.
>Audio hiccuped a bit at times, like what happens when I'm on a VOIP call
>and the network is getting a flogging with Bit Torrent activity.
>Otherwise it's bearable. Certainly wouldn't be using it that much given
>the cost of video calls.
>
>The internet side of things were a bit flaky. Some pages that I tried to
>navigate to produced a message; "Page has no content. Try again?" which I
>did. Sometimes a 2nd or 3rd attempt was needed before the content would
>download.
>
>As this is my first experience with 3G services, other than a quick look
>at my daughter's phone when she first got it, it's hard to make any
>judgements, particularly as it's a brand new service.
>
>I'll revisit it in a coupla months' time.
>
>
Interesting. Thanks.
The reference to the Telstra is offputting.....guess which one they
are offering me :)


If this was a perfect world, we, probably, wouldn't
be in it.

[Ext User(jjcoolaus@yahoo.com.au)]

brian w edginton wrote:
> On 9 Oct 2006 04:02:32 +0200, Emjaye <emjaye_t@yarwho.com.au> wrote:
>
> >brian w edginton wrote:
> >
> >> Back to the ZDnet thing, this doesn't fit what Telstra is saying...at
> >> least what I THINK they are saying.
> >> Pretty sure they are saying that, if you have CDMA reception, now, you
> >> will get 3g
> >> Implication was that all CDMA towers have the new system.
> >
> >I read a news item in the technology section of the Age newspaper today.
> >According to it, initial rollout won't have the same level of coverage
> >as CDMA, but it should towards the end of 2008, after which CDMA will be
> >decommissioned.
> >
> >Then you get the likes of "Michael" in a Usenet newsgroup who claims
> >that all CMDA towers have 3G 850 cells that are now operational.
> >
> >So, who do you believe - some character on Usenet or a major media
> >outlet who you would hope has researched the basics with its news
> >article?
> >
>
>
> Been a bit bemused by the lack of response to my query.
> Thanks for yours.
>
> Still not sure about the accuracy of the ZDnet article, Like, will
> rural NextGen be carried on GSM.
> Telstra's news releases suggests it will have the same range and
> coverage of the old CDMA network. I don't believe that the GSM network
> could match those.
>
> Also, a bit curious....Telstra salesman who cancelled my contract on
> my "old" G3 phone and is sending me a replacement, says I can use it
> as a modem to replace my steam-powered dialup.
>
> Anyone give me some low-tech stuff on that.
> I am an old bloke.

Technically, she is right. You "could" use it as a dialup replacement,
but you need a shitload of $'s to do so. Let's do some quick math:

Browsing the net with dialup: ~7-8mb/hour (depending on sites visited
of course)
Browsing + downloading with dialup: 20mb/hr
For sake of argument, and to make the maths easy let's assume you'd do
100mb per day on dialup. (5 hours of heavy downloading a day)

Total monthly usage in Gb per month: 100 * 30 = 3Gb (or 3000mb)

On this thing, 1Gb of usage is $130 then 70c/mb after that - if you
managed your 3Gb on Telstra's "nextG" it would cost $1,400.

Equivalent broadband plan is about $40/mth from most carriers (5Gb
limit).
Equivalent dialup plan is about $20/mth or less for unlimited usage.

It's expensive. You'd have to be *very* careful not to go over 1Gb,
but first, you have to be able to afford $130/mth + voice call plan
cost. If your that wealthy, good luck to you!
Cheers,
Jason

[Ext User(brian w edginton)]

On 10 Oct 2006 21:14:20 -0700, jjcoolaus@yahoo.com.au wrote:

>
>brian w edginton wrote:
>> On 9 Oct 2006 04:02:32 +0200, Emjaye <emjaye_t@yarwho.com.au> wrote:
>>
>> >brian w edginton wrote:
>> >
>> >> Back to the ZDnet thing, this doesn't fit what Telstra is saying...at
>> >> least what I THINK they are saying.
>> >> Pretty sure they are saying that, if you have CDMA reception, now, you
>> >> will get 3g
>> >> Implication was that all CDMA towers have the new system.
>> >
>> >I read a news item in the technology section of the Age newspaper today.
>> >According to it, initial rollout won't have the same level of coverage
>> >as CDMA, but it should towards the end of 2008, after which CDMA will be
>> >decommissioned.
>> >
>> >Then you get the likes of "Michael" in a Usenet newsgroup who claims
>> >that all CMDA towers have 3G 850 cells that are now operational.
>> >
>> >So, who do you believe - some character on Usenet or a major media
>> >outlet who you would hope has researched the basics with its news
>> >article?
>> >
>>
>>
>> Been a bit bemused by the lack of response to my query.
>> Thanks for yours.
>>
>> Still not sure about the accuracy of the ZDnet article, Like, will
>> rural NextGen be carried on GSM.
>> Telstra's news releases suggests it will have the same range and
>> coverage of the old CDMA network. I don't believe that the GSM network
>> could match those.
>>
>> Also, a bit curious....Telstra salesman who cancelled my contract on
>> my "old" G3 phone and is sending me a replacement, says I can use it
>> as a modem to replace my steam-powered dialup.
>>
>> Anyone give me some low-tech stuff on that.
>> I am an old bloke.
>
>Technically, she is right. You "could" use it as a dialup replacement,
>but you need a shitload of $'s to do so. Let's do some quick math:
>
>Browsing the net with dialup: ~7-8mb/hour (depending on sites visited
>of course)
>Browsing + downloading with dialup: 20mb/hr
>For sake of argument, and to make the maths easy let's assume you'd do
>100mb per day on dialup. (5 hours of heavy downloading a day)
>
>Total monthly usage in Gb per month: 100 * 30 = 3Gb (or 3000mb)
>
>On this thing, 1Gb of usage is $130 then 70c/mb after that - if you
>managed your 3Gb on Telstra's "nextG" it would cost $1,400.
>
>Equivalent broadband plan is about $40/mth from most carriers (5Gb
>limit).
>Equivalent dialup plan is about $20/mth or less for unlimited usage.
>
>It's expensive. You'd have to be *very* careful not to go over 1Gb,
>but first, you have to be able to afford $130/mth + voice call plan
>cost. If your that wealthy, good luck to you!
>Cheers,
>Jason



Thanks, Jason. As I expected.
And, no....not that wealthy at all.

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