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[Ext User(brian w edginton)]

I have had some great help, here.....in relation to Next gen

But it still baffles me.
Like, why was Telstra selling "3g" phones earlier this year....like my
Moto V3x as "3g" when they work on just about every frequency except
the one that they have introduced as "Next Gen"?
Was there a sudden change of plan? Or a bullshit marketing exercise
to sell phones that were, already, obsolete?
If so, why did they stock up on the bloody things if they weren't
going to work on the new system.

Also, listened to Burgess (Telstra exec) on ABC, yesterday.
He gave the impression that "Next Gen" was an answer to rural problems
with broadband internet connections.
Yet, as far as I can discover from Bigpond is that "wireless Next Gen"
only works with laptops.
Why? Are PCs redundant, now, in the bush?

Ignorant customer "service" people? Or a huge confidence trick to
make telstra look good?


Sorry.....not a techie. Just an old prick trying to come to grips with
this shit.

OK,. Have seen references to Optus 3g, recently. Where are they at?


Too many questions?
Yeah.

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If this was a perfect world, we, probably, wouldn't
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[Ext User(Used Car Dude)]

Since when does 3g = NextGen?

"brian w edginton" <edgo.1@bigpond.com> wrote in message
news:dbfri25mtpu4id16t8uajta18ca0jg9ipk@4ax.com...
>I have had some great help, here.....in relation to Next gen
>
> But it still baffles me.
> Like, why was Telstra selling "3g" phones earlier this year....like my
> Moto V3x as "3g" when they work on just about every frequency except
> the one that they have introduced as "Next Gen"?
> Was there a sudden change of plan? Or a bullshit marketing exercise
> to sell phones that were, already, obsolete?
> If so, why did they stock up on the bloody things if they weren't
> going to work on the new system.
>

[Ext User(Josh B)]

On Thu, 12 Oct 2006 10:57:31 GMT, Used Car Dude (or one of their many
personalities) said......


> >I have had some great help, here.....in relation to Next gen
> >
> > But it still baffles me.
> > Like, why was Telstra selling "3g" phones earlier this year....like my
> > Moto V3x as "3g" when they work on just about every frequency except
> > the one that they have introduced as "Next Gen"?
> > Was there a sudden change of plan? Or a bullshit marketing exercise
> > to sell phones that were, already, obsolete?
> > If so, why did they stock up on the bloody things if they weren't
> > going to work on the new system.
>
> Since when does 3g = NextGen?

What generation would you call it?

[Ext User(Kubalister)]

Josh B wrote:
> On Thu, 12 Oct 2006 10:57:31 GMT, Used Car Dude (or one of their many
> personalities) said......
>
>
>>> I have had some great help, here.....in relation to Next gen
>>>
>>> But it still baffles me.
>>> Like, why was Telstra selling "3g" phones earlier this year....like my
>>> Moto V3x as "3g" when they work on just about every frequency except
>>> the one that they have introduced as "Next Gen"?
>>> Was there a sudden change of plan? Or a bullshit marketing exercise
>>> to sell phones that were, already, obsolete?
>>> If so, why did they stock up on the bloody things if they weren't
>>> going to work on the new system.
>> Since when does 3g = NextGen?
>
> What generation would you call it?

It's actually 3.5G since it incorporates HSDPA.

[Ext User(brian w edginton)]

On Thu, 12 Oct 2006 10:57:31 GMT, "Used Car Dude"
<hllywd37@hotmail.com> wrote:

>Since when does 3g = NextGen?

Buggered if I know.
I don't think I said it did.
But I have been hearing about the coming of 3g for a long time.
Telstra sold me a 3g phone earlier this year. Told me how great it
was gonna be.

Anyway, my question still stands.




>
>"brian w edginton" <edgo.1@bigpond.com> wrote in message
>news:dbfri25mtpu4id16t8uajta18ca0jg9ipk@4ax.com...
>>I have had some great help, here.....in relation to Next gen
>>
>> But it still baffles me.
>> Like, why was Telstra selling "3g" phones earlier this year....like my
>> Moto V3x as "3g" when they work on just about every frequency except
>> the one that they have introduced as "Next Gen"?
>> Was there a sudden change of plan? Or a bullshit marketing exercise
>> to sell phones that were, already, obsolete?
>> If so, why did they stock up on the bloody things if they weren't
>> going to work on the new system.
>>
>



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[Ext User(Simon Templar)]

brian w edginton wrote:
> Buggered if I know.
> I don't think I said it did.
> But I have been hearing about the coming of 3g for a long time.
> Telstra sold me a 3g phone earlier this year. Told me how great it
> was gonna be.

3 have been running a 3G Network since they set up in Australia!
Telstra have been leaching off that Network since they launched their 3G
phones earlier this year.


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[Ext User(Jim P Sharma)]

brian w edginton <edgo.1@bigpond.com> wrote:

> I have had some great help, here.....in relation to Next gen

> But it still baffles me.

Yeah, its surprisingly complicated.

> Like, why was Telstra selling "3g" phones earlier this year....
> like my Moto V3x as "3g" when they work on just about every
> frequency except the one that they have introduced as "Next Gen"?

NextGen which was just turned on officially days ago is just one
form of 3G, which happens to use the cdma band, 850MHz.

> Was there a sudden change of plan?

Yes, the mex decided to replace cdma with nextgen.

> Or a bullshit marketing exercise to sell phones that were, already, obsolete?

Nope, Telstra chose to jointly offer 3G with 3, the company.

That is an entirely separate system to NextGen.

> If so, why did they stock up on the bloody things
> if they weren't going to work on the new system.

Two commpletely different systems.

> Also, listened to Burgess (Telstra exec) on ABC, yesterday.

You've gotta watch out for that bugger, while he doesnt actually
lie publicly, he can be VERY economical with the truth.

> He gave the impression that "Next Gen" was an answer
> to rural problems with broadband internet connections.

You can claim that, particularly with those that cant get adsl.

What he failed to mention is that its a relatively
expensive way to get broadband usage charges wise.

> Yet, as far as I can discover from Bigpond is that
> "wireless Next Gen" only works with laptops. Why?

Essentially because they use a cardbus card and few PCs
have a cardbus slot, tho that can be added. Its a lot easier
to sell it for laptops because they all have a cardbus slot.

> Are PCs redundant, now, in the bush?

Nope, most obviously with the hordes that can get adsl fine.

> Ignorant customer "service" people?

More that its not easy to explain this stuff to the average customer.

> Or a huge confidence trick to make telstra look good?

That too. NextGen has some technical advantages, but its far from
clear that its worth the massive cost, or that anyone much would
actually bother with it if the cdma system wasnt going to be turned off.

That last will be interesting to watch in the runnup to the next election.
It wouldnt surprise me if the Nats manage to monster the govt into
no allowing telstra to turn the cdma system off, even if NextGen
does manage to achieve about the same coverage as cdma.

If cdma isnt turned off, NextGen hasnt gotta
hope in hell of being economically viable.

> Sorry.....not a techie. Just an old prick trying to come to grips with this shit.

> OK,. Have seen references to Optus 3g, recently. Where are they at?

Basically just the capital citys and close.

Its less clear what Optarse plans to do about upgrading their entire
GSM network for 3G. They can do some surprising things, I was
rather surprised that they chose to spend so much extending their
GSM coverage in the bush, where most would just use cdma anyway.

> Too many questions?
> Yeah.

[Ext User(brian w edginton)]

On Fri, 13 Oct 2006 03:53:42 +1000, "Jim P Sharma" <jps@nospam.com>
wrote:

>brian w edginton <edgo.1@bigpond.com> wrote:
>
>> I have had some great help, here.....in relation to Next gen
>
>> But it still baffles me.
>
>Yeah, its surprisingly complicated.
>
>> Like, why was Telstra selling "3g" phones earlier this year....
>> like my Moto V3x as "3g" when they work on just about every
>> frequency except the one that they have introduced as "Next Gen"?
>
>NextGen which was just turned on officially days ago is just one
>form of 3G, which happens to use the cdma band, 850MHz.
>
>> Was there a sudden change of plan?
>
>Yes, the mex decided to replace cdma with nextgen.
>
>> Or a bullshit marketing exercise to sell phones that were, already, obsolete?
>
>Nope, Telstra chose to jointly offer 3G with 3, the company.
>
>That is an entirely separate system to NextGen.
>
>> If so, why did they stock up on the bloody things
>> if they weren't going to work on the new system.
>
>Two commpletely different systems.
>
>> Also, listened to Burgess (Telstra exec) on ABC, yesterday.
>
>You've gotta watch out for that bugger, while he doesnt actually
>lie publicly, he can be VERY economical with the truth.
>
>> He gave the impression that "Next Gen" was an answer
>> to rural problems with broadband internet connections.
>
>You can claim that, particularly with those that cant get adsl.
>
>What he failed to mention is that its a relatively
>expensive way to get broadband usage charges wise.
>
>> Yet, as far as I can discover from Bigpond is that
>> "wireless Next Gen" only works with laptops. Why?
>
>Essentially because they use a cardbus card and few PCs
>have a cardbus slot, tho that can be added. Its a lot easier
>to sell it for laptops because they all have a cardbus slot.
>
>> Are PCs redundant, now, in the bush?
>
>Nope, most obviously with the hordes that can get adsl fine.
>
>> Ignorant customer "service" people?
>
>More that its not easy to explain this stuff to the average customer.
>
>> Or a huge confidence trick to make telstra look good?
>
>That too. NextGen has some technical advantages, but its far from
>clear that its worth the massive cost, or that anyone much would
>actually bother with it if the cdma system wasnt going to be turned off.
>
>That last will be interesting to watch in the runnup to the next election.
>It wouldnt surprise me if the Nats manage to monster the govt into
>no allowing telstra to turn the cdma system off, even if NextGen
>does manage to achieve about the same coverage as cdma.
>
>If cdma isnt turned off, NextGen hasnt gotta
>hope in hell of being economically viable.
>
>> Sorry.....not a techie. Just an old prick trying to come to grips with this shit.
>
>> OK,. Have seen references to Optus 3g, recently. Where are they at?
>
>Basically just the capital citys and close.
>
>Its less clear what Optarse plans to do about upgrading their entire
>GSM network for 3G. They can do some surprising things, I was
>rather surprised that they chose to spend so much extending their
>GSM coverage in the bush, where most would just use cdma anyway.
>
>> Too many questions?
>> Yeah.
>

Great info.
Thanks.

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[Ext User(Michael)]

"brian w edginton" <edgo.1@bigpond.com> wrote in message
news:dbfri25mtpu4id16t8uajta18ca0jg9ipk@4ax.com...
>I have had some great help, here.....in relation to Next gen
>
> But it still baffles me.
> Like, why was Telstra selling "3g" phones earlier this year....like my
> Moto V3x as "3g" when they work on just about every frequency except

Telstra's first 3G network was at frequency 2100mhz, which falls back to GSM
900/1800 when necessary

> the one that they have introduced as "Next Gen"?
> Was there a sudden change of plan? Or a bullshit marketing exercise
> to sell phones that were, already, obsolete?

Read up, and try not to be a fool.

CDMA is going, so Telstra is using those frequenceis (~850 mhz), to launch a
3G network there. Due to the lower frequency, you get better coverage
breadth (and less depth), than 3G 2100.

Horses for courses. 850mhz for breadth of coverage, probably 2100mhz for
better depth of coverage

Same as we currently use GSM900/1800 vs CDMA 850

> Also, listened to Burgess (Telstra exec) on ABC, yesterday.
> He gave the impression that "Next Gen" was an answer to rural problems
> with broadband internet connections.

Yes, each 3G 850 base station has super fast HSDPA (?) broadband.

This will help customers who cant get ADSL or ISDN on the landline

> Yet, as far as I can discover from Bigpond is that "wireless Next Gen"
> only works with laptops.
> Why? Are PCs redundant, now, in the bush?

Here's a clue - a laptop IS a PC!

> Sorry.....not a techie. Just an old prick trying to come to grips with
> this shit.
>
> OK,. Have seen references to Optus 3g, recently. Where are they at?

They have a 3G 2100 network with Voda.

[Ext User(Michael)]

"brian w edginton" <edgo.1@bigpond.com> wrote in message
news:jkbsi2d06cah0q497k50cqnlact2odq81t@4ax.com...
> On Thu, 12 Oct 2006 10:57:31 GMT, "Used Car Dude"
> <hllywd37@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>>Since when does 3g = NextGen?
>
> Buggered if I know.
> I don't think I said it did.
> But I have been hearing about the coming of 3g for a long time.
> Telstra sold me a 3g phone earlier this year. Told me how great it
> was gonna be.

And it is.

> Anyway, my question still stands.

Theyve all been answered

[Ext User(Michael)]

"Kubalister" <Kubalister@no.spam.here> wrote in message
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> Josh B wrote:
>> On Thu, 12 Oct 2006 10:57:31 GMT, Used Car Dude (or one of their many
>> personalities) said......
>>
>>
>>>> I have had some great help, here.....in relation to Next gen
>>>>
>>>> But it still baffles me.
>>>> Like, why was Telstra selling "3g" phones earlier this year....like my
>>>> Moto V3x as "3g" when they work on just about every frequency except
>>>> the one that they have introduced as "Next Gen"?
>>>> Was there a sudden change of plan? Or a bullshit marketing exercise
>>>> to sell phones that were, already, obsolete?
>>>> If so, why did they stock up on the bloody things if they weren't
>>>> going to work on the new system.
>>> Since when does 3g = NextGen?
>>
>> What generation would you call it?
>
> It's actually 3.5G since it incorporates HSDPA.

Dont be a wanker.

[Ext User(Michael)]

"Used Car Dude" <hllywd37@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:vcpXg.46004$rP1.23819@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
> Since when does 3g = NextGen?

3G = NextG network, but NextG is not the sum of all 3G networks

>
> "brian w edginton" <edgo.1@bigpond.com> wrote in message
> news:dbfri25mtpu4id16t8uajta18ca0jg9ipk@4ax.com...
>>I have had some great help, here.....in relation to Next gen
>>
>> But it still baffles me.
>> Like, why was Telstra selling "3g" phones earlier this year....like my
>> Moto V3x as "3g" when they work on just about every frequency except
>> the one that they have introduced as "Next Gen"?
>> Was there a sudden change of plan? Or a bullshit marketing exercise
>> to sell phones that were, already, obsolete?
>> If so, why did they stock up on the bloody things if they weren't
>> going to work on the new system.
>>
>
>

[Ext User(Michael)]

"Simon Templar" <usenet@vk3xem.net> wrote in message
news:452e6d73$0$4671$61c65585@un-2park-reader-01.sydney.pipenetworks.com.au...
> brian w edginton wrote:
>> Buggered if I know.
>> I don't think I said it did.
>> But I have been hearing about the coming of 3g for a long time.
>> Telstra sold me a 3g phone earlier this year. Told me how great it
>> was gonna be.
>
> 3 have been running a 3G Network since they set up in Australia! Telstra
> have been leaching off that Network since they launched their 3G phones
> earlier this year.

I would hardly say leaching.

Firstly, they bought 1/2 of it. No more, no less.

They basically made the network viable.
Hutch could well have gone down the tubes without Telstra's help

But thanks for asking

[Ext User(brian w edginton)]

On Sat, 14 Oct 2006 06:27:30 GMT, "Michael" <michael@yahoo.com> wrote:

>
>"brian w edginton" <edgo.1@bigpond.com> wrote in message
>news:dbfri25mtpu4id16t8uajta18ca0jg9ipk@4ax.com...
>>I have had some great help, here.....in relation to Next gen
>>
>> But it still baffles me.
>> Like, why was Telstra selling "3g" phones earlier this year....like my
>> Moto V3x as "3g" when they work on just about every frequency except
>
>Telstra's first 3G network was at frequency 2100mhz, which falls back to GSM
>900/1800 when necessary
>
>> the one that they have introduced as "Next Gen"?
>> Was there a sudden change of plan? Or a bullshit marketing exercise
>> to sell phones that were, already, obsolete?
>
>Read up, and try not to be a fool.
>
>CDMA is going, so Telstra is using those frequenceis (~850 mhz), to launch a
>3G network there. Due to the lower frequency, you get better coverage
>breadth (and less depth), than 3G 2100.
>
>Horses for courses. 850mhz for breadth of coverage, probably 2100mhz for
>better depth of coverage
>
>Same as we currently use GSM900/1800 vs CDMA 850
>
>> Also, listened to Burgess (Telstra exec) on ABC, yesterday.
>> He gave the impression that "Next Gen" was an answer to rural problems
>> with broadband internet connections.
>
>Yes, each 3G 850 base station has super fast HSDPA (?) broadband.
>
>This will help customers who cant get ADSL or ISDN on the landline
>
>> Yet, as far as I can discover from Bigpond is that "wireless Next Gen"
>> only works with laptops.
>> Why? Are PCs redundant, now, in the bush?
>
>Here's a clue - a laptop IS a PC!
>
>> Sorry.....not a techie. Just an old prick trying to come to grips with
>> this shit.
>>
>> OK,. Have seen references to Optus 3g, recently. Where are they at?
>
>They have a 3G 2100 network with Voda.
>


Sorry...being a fool helps keep me sane.
Might try something else, one day.
What do you do?
(it ain't a big success)
Ok...a laptop is a PC.
I fucking knew that.
But, why does Telstra discriminate between laptops and PCs??

Anyway, thanks, Michael!
your post was sooooo bloody informative.

Why the fuck do you come here if you,already, know everything?
To show off and become famous like "you know who".

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[Ext User(brian w edginton)]

On Sat, 14 Oct 2006 06:27:51 GMT, "Michael" <michael@yahoo.com> wrote:

>
>"Used Car Dude" <hllywd37@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>news:vcpXg.46004$rP1.23819@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
>> Since when does 3g = NextGen?
>
>3G = NextG network, but NextG is not the sum of all 3G network

That's good. Informative, too/


Anyway. got my "3G" phone, yesterday.
When it connects to the network, I get a "2G" symbol on my screen.
Tricky bastards, eh?

I mean, calling something that isn't "3G" "3G"

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[Ext User(brian w edginton)]

On Sat, 14 Oct 2006 06:28:20 GMT, "Michael" <michael@yahoo.com> wrote:

>
>"brian w edginton" <edgo.1@bigpond.com> wrote in message
>news:jkbsi2d06cah0q497k50cqnlact2odq81t@4ax.com...
>> On Thu, 12 Oct 2006 10:57:31 GMT, "Used Car Dude"
>> <hllywd37@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>Since when does 3g = NextGen?
>>
>> Buggered if I know.
>> I don't think I said it did.
>> But I have been hearing about the coming of 3g for a long time.
>> Telstra sold me a 3g phone earlier this year. Told me how great it
>> was gonna be.
>
>And it is.
>
>> Anyway, my question still stands.
>
>Theyve all been answered
>


Not by you, aresehole.
Your style seems to be name-calling.
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[Ext User(Michael)]

"brian w edginton" <edgo.1@bigpond.com> wrote in message
news:et21j2pv6tht3q1eesbchnn88dl45ihrt1@4ax.com...
> On Sat, 14 Oct 2006 06:27:51 GMT, "Michael" <michael@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>>
>>"Used Car Dude" <hllywd37@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>news:vcpXg.46004$rP1.23819@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
>>> Since when does 3g = NextGen?
>>
>>3G = NextG network, but NextG is not the sum of all 3G network
>
> That's good. Informative, too/
>
>
> Anyway. got my "3G" phone, yesterday.
> When it connects to the network, I get a "2G" symbol on my screen.
> Tricky bastards, eh?

How is that relevant to whether your phone is 3G capable?

[Ext User(Michael)]

> Sorry...being a fool helps keep me sane.

dont apologise

> Might try something else, one day.
> What do you do?
> (it ain't a big success)
> Ok...a laptop is a PC.
> I fucking knew that.
> But, why does Telstra discriminate between laptops and PCs??

Is what way do they discriminate?

> Anyway, thanks, Michael!

you are so most welcome

> your post was sooooo bloody informative.

i agree

> Why the fuck do you come here if you,already, know everything?

to teach mere mortals like you

> To show off and become famous like "you know who".


i follow in his footsteps
>
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>
> If this was a perfect world, we, probably, wouldn't
> be in it.

[Ext User(brian w edginton)]

On Sat, 14 Oct 2006 07:19:03 GMT, "Michael" <michael@yahoo.com> wrote:

>
>"brian w edginton" <edgo.1@bigpond.com> wrote in message
>news:et21j2pv6tht3q1eesbchnn88dl45ihrt1@4ax.com...
>> On Sat, 14 Oct 2006 06:27:51 GMT, "Michael" <michael@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>"Used Car Dude" <hllywd37@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>>news:vcpXg.46004$rP1.23819@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
>>>> Since when does 3g = NextGen?
>>>
>>>3G = NextG network, but NextG is not the sum of all 3G network
>>
>> That's good. Informative, too/
>>
>>
>> Anyway. got my "3G" phone, yesterday.
>> When it connects to the network, I get a "2G" symbol on my screen.
>> Tricky bastards, eh?
>
>How is that relevant to whether your phone is 3G capable?
>


Typo.VB is a hobby.....makes typos happen a bit too often.

The symbol I get is "3G"
Glad you are here!
Would be a boring group without you.
Keep up the good work.

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[Ext User(brian w edginton)]

On Sat, 14 Oct 2006 07:20:09 GMT, "Michael" <michael@yahoo.com> wrote:

>> Sorry...being a fool helps keep me sane.
>
>dont apologise
>
>> Might try something else, one day.
>> What do you do?
>> (it ain't a big success)
>> Ok...a laptop is a PC.
>> I fucking knew that.
>> But, why does Telstra discriminate between laptops and PCs??
>
>Is what way do they discriminate?
>
>> Anyway, thanks, Michael!
>
>you are so most welcome
>
>> your post was sooooo bloody informative.
>
>i agree
>
>> Why the fuck do you come here if you,already, know everything?
>
>to teach mere mortals like you
>
>> To show off and become famous like "you know who".
>
>
>i follow in his footsteps
>>


You are a saint!

Just remember to wipe your feet.
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