OT: is it just me or do others find this *VERY* disturbing?

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Noddy wrote:
>
> "the_dawggie" <the_dawggie@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>
> > World needs *less* people not more ATM, IMHO.
>
> Hands up those who wish to do the noble thing and lay down their lives for
> the benefit of their fellow man? :)

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the_dawggie wrote:
> atec77 wrote:
>
>> Well it might be alarming if you are queer and care I spose
>
> Nope,
sigh , whooshhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

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John McKenzie wrote:
> Athol wrote:
>> feral <plonked@home.ru> wrote:
>>
>>> David Suzuki says his hope is that the world comes to
>>> realize that there are big problems soon, and we can make
>>> changes fast enough to come back into balance with the natural
>>> world."
>> We've been through this before.
>>
>> First, everybody should stop exporting money to support "foreign aid"
>> that supports unsustainable behaviour in 3rd world countries.
>
> You're sooooo close to making that step to 'and we need to arm the
> people ready for revolution' I can smell it.


many a back yard planting awaits .
>
> come on brother Athol, the masons await thee.


nah he is not going to be a polly.
>
>

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Noddy (nospam) wrote:
> "the_dawggie" <the_dawggie@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>
> > World needs *less* people not more ATM, IMHO.
>
> Hands up those who wish to do the noble thing and lay down their lives for
> the benefit of their fellow man? :)

No real need to, I was here first :-) If at any time I get sick to the
point of
totally fecked (or needs major organ transplant, or other major fecking
about),
then, shoot me - I'm not up for that shite, because I prolly won't
wanna be here
even after it, so I guess, yup hands up.

Actually didn't the Eskimos have a solution?

Anyway back on the OT stuff, the point I'm trying to make is can't
expand
world population any further. It's full - in the same way you get to a
point
you can't compress a gas anymore past liquid state. It's not rocket
science.

And, I'll be pollitically incorrect and mention the "fuck off we are
full" sticker
seen on motor vehicles that has an outline map of Australia which I
also
agree with.

Then again, I get stressed in large quantites of people always in my
way
always all the time, which does not help, since I'm timid enough to
wait
and wait and wait when I should just barge in. Maybe I need a new "get
outta me fecking way" ToyCo 'lux or something.

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Noddy wrote:
>
> "Just JT" <JohnnyThor@Hotmale.Com> wrote in message
> news:4535df1c$0$6688$9a6e19ea@unlimited.newshostin g.com...
>
> > Unfortunately, contrasting opinions *OUTNUMBER* yours.
>
> Yep, and a lot of people claim to have been abducted by aliens too.
>
> > Spread.and.multiply.says.the.Bible
>
> Ah, the bible.
>
> Sworn on in court,

The ultimate irony is that there is a passage in the bible that
explicitly state you must never swear to do or say something, or even
promise, as only god can have the final say on that. All you can (and
must) do is to give your word that you will do so.

Me? If you asked 20 people about something they saw 15 minutes ago,
you'd get 20 wildly differing stories. How the fuck could a story
survive intact for thousands of years, through umpteen translations, and
likely as not deliberate alteration at the hands of those in power?

Doesn't mean faith is a bad thing mind you.

I also recall a passage that states that one must never be tattoed or
wear markings (including makeup in a modern context) and that anyone who
does so must be stoned to death. funny how you don't see the wack jobs
who take out a certain passage to support their zeal or prejudice
following the letter of the law on that one. Which _is_ the basic
problem with religion. Most people have a particular immorality, be it
intolerance, or just a need to think they are better than everyone else,
and they work hard to find and subvert a given religious text to support
it, rather than reading it with an open mind, realise it's not the word
of god, but rathe the detailing of various peoples' _experience of_ god.
and then reading into the _real_ theme, and trying to be a decent moral
and compassionate human being.

A few generations back, after a great aunt of mine just barely survived
a pregnancy (the child too, or was that the one that died during?).
Anyhoo, the local priest came past when the husband wasn't there,
_demanding_ that she have more kids, or she'd go to hell. The great
uncle found out and literally beat the shit out of him. Something along
the lines of 'by all means pray and educate about and on behalf of god,
but don't you fucking dare even think about playing god with my wife's
life). She already had a few kids, quite young, and they'd _all_ be
motherless if that turd had his way.

Curiously, the family are all buried in church of england graves (to
which I joked, out of the frying pan, into the fire). When all that
'stuff' was written, there were fuck all humans around, and probably
nobody (or nobody of consequence) had the foggiest that the world wasn't
flat and limitless, much less that it's resources would be finite. I am
very much of the belief, that _if_ the stuff in the bible (or some of
it) were truly the word of god, then god would still imho approve, and
to some measure _endorse_ birth control and a bunch of other things.

In high school in history, we learnt about the industrial revolution,
and how forests were cleared to buggery. And asked 'how could they be so
short sighted' Anybody see any change with modern humans? Someone on
another list said (and I wholly agree) 'wanna know when we'll stop using
fossil fuels? the very moment we run out of them completely, and not a
minute before' and like it or not, it's true.

I suspect we may wipe ourselves out (or at least most of us) before that
actually takes place. Or as a direct consequence of it.

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feral wrote:
> Noddy wrote:
>
>> "the_dawggie" <the_dawggie@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>
>>
>>> World needs *less* people not more ATM, IMHO.
>>
>>
>> Hands up those who wish to do the noble thing and lay down their lives
>> for the benefit of their fellow man? :)
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the_dawggie wrote:

> Watching the counter at the top of the page tick over:
>
> http://www.census.gov/population/www/popclockus.html
>
> Stop fecking about folks! and I mean that literally!
>
> John Connor: "We're not gonna make it are we? The human race I mean..."
> The Terminator: "It's in your nature to destroy yourselves."
>
> Something is gunna break when population levels become
> no longer sustainable - and that ain't gunna be pretty.
>
> And we have some fecking stupid GovCo here
> wanting more population growth and doing the
> whole child payment thing.
>
> World needs *less* people not more ATM, IMHO.
>

what do you mean
some cultures thrive on population growth
look at India

or maybe not

Kev

[Ext User(the_dawggie)]

Just JT wrote:

> There's hope in favor of population reduction. Obesity and diabetes will
> reduce life expectancy. THANK YOU FAST FOOD AND SEDENTARY LIFESTYLE.

That's very true, however the medics cover it by providing treatment,
and
media via TVCo biggest weight loss type shows

> And.the.obese.will.beget.short-living.obese

I don't think I'd survive if I was obese. Got to "fat" a number of
years ago and could not really deal, especially in summer,
now got to "thin" - in some ways that is as bad due to strength
issues. I think it's better though.

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On 18 Oct 2006 00:13:20 -0700, "the_dawggie" <the_dawggie@hotmail.com> wrote:

>
> Watching the counter at the top of the page tick over:
>
> http://www.census.gov/population/www/popclockus.html
>
> Stop fecking about folks! and I mean that literally!
>
> John Connor: "We're not gonna make it are we? The human race I mean..."
> The Terminator: "It's in your nature to destroy yourselves."
>
> Something is gunna break when population levels become
> no longer sustainable - and that ain't gunna be pretty.
>
> And we have some fecking stupid GovCo here
> wanting more population growth and doing the
> whole child payment thing.
>
> World needs *less* people not more ATM, IMHO.

Time to nuke the bastards.

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atec77 wrote:
> the_dawggie wrote:
> > atec77 wrote:
> >
> >> Well it might be alarming if you are queer and care I spose
> >
> > Nope,
> sigh , whooshhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

Urm, can we make it past the Woosh state? you might
have sumtung interesting to say, however that ain't it.

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Ooh, that's *so* 15 year old Gay :)

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> Cat :"I'm not asking you to do something i wouldn't do myself"
>
> Rimmer: "what? you mean you'd sacrifice your life for the good of the
> crew?"
>
> Cat: "No, I'd sacrifice _your_ life for the good of the crew"
>
> Red Dwarf

Always entertaining, no matter how many times you see it :)

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"John McKenzie" <jmac@alphalink.com.au> wrote in message
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> The ultimate irony is that there is a passage in the bible that
> explicitly state you must never swear to do or say something, or even
> promise, as only god can have the final say on that. All you can (and
> must) do is to give your word that you will do so.

Nice :)

> Me? If you asked 20 people about something they saw 15 minutes ago,
> you'd get 20 wildly differing stories. How the fuck could a story
> survive intact for thousands of years, through umpteen translations, and
> likely as not deliberate alteration at the hands of those in power?

Zactly.

I always found it amusing that there are old & new testaments. It's like the
head dudes of the church got together at an annual general meeting and one
said "Listen fella's, this is a fucking good book an all, but let's jazz it
up a tad to make it more relevant to today's world".

Personally, I'm waiting for the Millenium edition.

> Doesn't mean faith is a bad thing mind you.

No, but I find the concept of staunchly believing in something so intangable
as a "great creator" to be peculiar, particularly in light of the total lack
of a single shred of evidence.

> I also recall a passage that states that one must never be tattoed or
> wear markings (including makeup in a modern context) and that anyone who
> does so must be stoned to death.

That's me fucked then :)

> funny how you don't see the wack jobs
> who take out a certain passage to support their zeal or prejudice
> following the letter of the law on that one. Which _is_ the basic
> problem with religion. Most people have a particular immorality, be it
> intolerance, or just a need to think they are better than everyone else,
> and they work hard to find and subvert a given religious text to support
> it, rather than reading it with an open mind, realise it's not the word
> of god, but rathe the detailing of various peoples' _experience of_ god.
> and then reading into the _real_ theme, and trying to be a decent moral
> and compassionate human being.

Yep.

The funny thing about it is that the people in the church seem to consider
the Bible as myth, whereas a lot of the churchgoing "believers" are so far
into believing the thing as gospel it's disturbing.

Particularly in the deep south US. I mean, boy, they are some *very* strange
backward arse inbred fucks down there... :)

> A few generations back, after a great aunt of mine just barely survived
> a pregnancy (the child too, or was that the one that died during?).
> Anyhoo, the local priest came past when the husband wasn't there,
> _demanding_ that she have more kids, or she'd go to hell. The great
> uncle found out and literally beat the shit out of him.

I would have too.

> Something along
> the lines of 'by all means pray and educate about and on behalf of god,
> but don't you fucking dare even think about playing god with my wife's
> life). She already had a few kids, quite young, and they'd _all_ be
> motherless if that turd had his way.

They can be cunts.

Concrned about little other than more members of their church, which means
more donations in the poor box (which goes a long way to making the church
very wealthy, while we still have shitloads of poor people).

> Curiously, the family are all buried in church of england graves (to
> which I joked, out of the frying pan, into the fire). When all that
> 'stuff' was written, there were fuck all humans around, and probably
> nobody (or nobody of consequence) had the foggiest that the world wasn't
> flat and limitless, much less that it's resources would be finite. I am
> very much of the belief, that _if_ the stuff in the bible (or some of
> it) were truly the word of god, then god would still imho approve, and
> to some measure _endorse_ birth control and a bunch of other things.

You'd think so :)

> In high school in history, we learnt about the industrial revolution,
> and how forests were cleared to buggery. And asked 'how could they be so
> short sighted' Anybody see any change with modern humans? Someone on
> another list said (and I wholly agree) 'wanna know when we'll stop using
> fossil fuels? the very moment we run out of them completely, and not a
> minute before' and like it or not, it's true.

Sadly.

> I suspect we may wipe ourselves out (or at least most of us) before that
> actually takes place. Or as a direct consequence of it.

Most, if not all of the wars in the last 100 years have been about the
control of territory (which meant control of recourses). Prior to that they
were basically all about religion. In the future we may end up like wild
animals killing each other en masse for the last drop of oil, while turning
to religion for help in avoiding it.

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[Ext User(the_dawggie)]

Kev wrote:

> what do you mean
> some cultures thrive on population growth
> look at India
>
> or maybe not

Hmmm, Maybe not. Humans are a bit of shite
that sucks on something that is not getting larger.

It's a concern.

[Ext User(atec77)]

tipsy@beerlover.com wrote:
> On 18 Oct 2006 00:13:20 -0700, "the_dawggie" <the_dawggie@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Watching the counter at the top of the page tick over:
>>
>> http://www.census.gov/population/www/popclockus.html
>>
>> Stop fecking about folks! and I mean that literally!
>>
>> John Connor: "We're not gonna make it are we? The human race I mean..."
>> The Terminator: "It's in your nature to destroy yourselves."
>>
>> Something is gunna break when population levels become
>> no longer sustainable - and that ain't gunna be pretty.
>>
>> And we have some fecking stupid GovCo here
>> wanting more population growth and doing the
>> whole child payment thing.
>>
>> World needs *less* people not more ATM, IMHO.
>
> Time to nuke the bastards.
>
Thats one of your sillier suggestions

[Ext User(the_dawggie)]

feral wrote:

> Go on, beat that Dawggie. :-P

Never beat the Dawggie, it's a peaceful animal,
and does not like being beaten. Actually no-one
really knows what it does like, including itself.

[Ext User(John McKenzie)]

the_dawggie wrote:
>
> Watching that US web counter made me actually feel sick to
> the point of posting about it.

don't worry, there's this new foodstuff made of soy and lentils. green
in colour. .

> Folk neuter their dawgs/cats because they realize we don't need
> an overpopulation of them, however humans can breed totally out
> of control. WTF??? The glass is overflowing and already causing
> damage to the table and the carpet under it.

The biggest problem is that the glass isn't (predominantly) having water
poured into it. It's overflowing with sewage. In other words, for the
most part it's unwelcome in the glass, irrespective of how much of it
there is.


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the_dawggie wrote:


> And we have some fecking stupid GovCo here
> wanting more population growth and doing the
> whole child payment thing.
>
> World needs *less* people not more ATM, IMHO.

In human terms we are looking down the barrel of a nasty future, but are
humans special? I don't think so. We're just an experiment in evolution. As
long as there is some water and solar energy there will be some species
making use of it. It doesn't really matter if they are slime moulds or
primates. Ultimately the sun will burn itself out anyway.

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"John McKenzie" <jmac@alphalink.com.au> wrote in message
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> Noddy wrote:
>>
>> "Just JT" <JohnnyThor@Hotmale.Com> wrote in message
>> news:4535df1c$0$6688$9a6e19ea@unlimited.newshostin g.com...
>>
>> > Unfortunately, contrasting opinions *OUTNUMBER* yours.
>>
>> Yep, and a lot of people claim to have been abducted by aliens too.
>>
>> > Spread.and.multiply.says.the.Bible
>>
>> Ah, the bible.
>>
>> Sworn on in court,
>
> The ultimate irony is that there is a passage in the bible that
> explicitly state you must never swear to do or say something, or even
> promise, as only god can have the final say on that. All you can (and
> must) do is to give your word that you will do so.

Typical.

> Me? If you asked 20 people about something they saw 15 minutes ago,
> you'd get 20 wildly differing stories. How the fuck could a story
> survive intact for thousands of years, through umpteen translations, and
> likely as not deliberate alteration at the hands of those in power?

Exactly my view too. Not to mention that you can read into the bible
anything you like depending on the people doing the interpreting of the
"message".

> Doesn't mean faith is a bad thing mind you.

It conveniently explains away things too complicated for the stupid and/or
ignorant to understand.

> I also recall a passage that states that one must never be tattoed or
> wear markings (including makeup in a modern context) and that anyone who
> does so must be stoned to death. funny how you don't see the wack jobs
> who take out a certain passage to support their zeal or prejudice
> following the letter of the law on that one. Which _is_ the basic
> problem with religion. Most people have a particular immorality, be it
> intolerance, or just a need to think they are better than everyone else,
> and they work hard to find and subvert a given religious text to support
> it, rather than reading it with an open mind, realise it's not the word
> of god, but rathe the detailing of various peoples' _experience of_ god.
> and then reading into the _real_ theme, and trying to be a decent moral
> and compassionate human being.

My grandma always said that you can't ever trust those who sit closest to
the altar. She must have observed a few things sitting in the back of the
church over her lifetime, not that you need to go to church to see it.

> A few generations back, after a great aunt of mine just barely survived
> a pregnancy (the child too, or was that the one that died during?).
> Anyhoo, the local priest came past when the husband wasn't there,
> _demanding_ that she have more kids, or she'd go to hell. The great
> uncle found out and literally beat the shit out of him. Something along
> the lines of 'by all means pray and educate about and on behalf of god,
> but don't you fucking dare even think about playing god with my wife's
> life). She already had a few kids, quite young, and they'd _all_ be
> motherless if that turd had his way.

It was common for the local priest to go around and ask for more children
from their flock. Now we have politicians encouraging the same and you can't
trust those cunts either.

> Curiously, the family are all buried in church of england graves (to
> which I joked, out of the frying pan, into the fire). When all that
> 'stuff' was written, there were fuck all humans around, and probably
> nobody (or nobody of consequence) had the foggiest that the world wasn't
> flat and limitless, much less that it's resources would be finite. I am
> very much of the belief, that _if_ the stuff in the bible (or some of
> it) were truly the word of god, then god would still imho approve, and
> to some measure _endorse_ birth control and a bunch of other things.

Death control at the hands of mankind has been particularly effective at
various points in history, often carried out under the name of god too.

> In high school in history, we learnt about the industrial revolution,
> and how forests were cleared to buggery. And asked 'how could they be so
> short sighted' Anybody see any change with modern humans? Someone on
> another list said (and I wholly agree) 'wanna know when we'll stop using
> fossil fuels? the very moment we run out of them completely, and not a
> minute before' and like it or not, it's true.

Likely.

> I suspect we may wipe ourselves out (or at least most of us) before that
> actually takes place. Or as a direct consequence of it.
>

Humanity is a steaming turd, this place would be so much better off without
all of us here.

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the_dawggie wrote:

> feral wrote:
>
>>Go on, beat that Dawggie. :-P
>
> Never beat the Dawggie, it's a peaceful animal,
> and does not like being beaten. Actually no-one
> really knows what it does like, including itself.
>
sigh whoooooooooshhhhhhhhhhh

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