Linux guru needed

[Ext User(passmore)]

Any Linux guru here with insurance?

We need someone to work for free for a 40hr/week job

[Ext User(atec77)]

passmore wrote:
> Any Linux guru here with insurance?
>
> We need someone to work for free for a 40hr/week job
>
WHy and where .

[Ext User(Ob1)]

And define what level of Linux Guru you need?
Are you really after a Linux/Unix Administrator to administer your
systems and perform/confirm successfully backups and pro actively
maintain your system? People doing that work usually get between $60 and
$90 per hour depending on what state you are in. What benefits would you
be providing to entice someone to do this much work for free? What
hours? Day or night?

Ob1.

atec77 > wrote:
> passmore wrote:
>
>> Any Linux guru here with insurance?
>>
>> We need someone to work for free for a 40hr/week job
>>
> WHy and where .

[Ext User(amosf © Tim Fairchild)]

atec77 wrote something like:

> passmore wrote:
>> Any Linux guru here with insurance?
>>
>> We need someone to work for free for a 40hr/week job
>>
> WHy and where .

Why? To troll, of course...

[Ext User(Clockmeister)]

"Ob1" <bensnet1@netscape.remove.net> wrote in message
news:1161517247.755971@fire.ben.net...
> And define what level of Linux Guru you need?
> Are you really after a Linux/Unix Administrator to administer your systems
> and perform/confirm successfully backups and pro actively maintain your
> system? People doing that work usually get between $60 and $90 per hour
> depending on what state you are in. What benefits would you be providing
> to entice someone to do this much work for free? What hours? Day or night?
>

So much for Linux being free...

[Ext User(atec77)]

Clockmeister wrote:
> "Ob1" <bensnet1@netscape.remove.net> wrote in message
> news:1161517247.755971@fire.ben.net...
>> And define what level of Linux Guru you need?
>> Are you really after a Linux/Unix Administrator to administer your systems
>> and perform/confirm successfully backups and pro actively maintain your
>> system? People doing that work usually get between $60 and $90 per hour
>> depending on what state you are in. What benefits would you be providing
>> to entice someone to do this much work for free? What hours? Day or night?
>>
>
> So much for Linux being free...
>
>
The distribution is free you spank.
Knowledge is rarely free as you well know.

[Ext User(Terryc)]

Clockmeister wrote:
> "Ob1" <bensnet1@netscape.remove.net> wrote in message
> news:1161517247.755971@fire.ben.net...
>
>>And define what level of Linux Guru you need?
>>Are you really after a Linux/Unix Administrator to administer your systems
>>and perform/confirm successfully backups and pro actively maintain your
>>system? People doing that work usually get between $60 and $90 per hour
>>depending on what state you are in. What benefits would you be providing
>>to entice someone to do this much work for free? What hours? Day or night?
>>
>
>
> So much for Linux being free...

the saying is "Free as in Free speech, not Free Beer",
but tanstaafl.

[Ext User(Clockmeister)]

"atec77" <""atec77 \"@ hotmail.com"> wrote in message
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> Clockmeister wrote:
>> "Ob1" <bensnet1@netscape.remove.net> wrote in message
>> news:1161517247.755971@fire.ben.net...
>>> And define what level of Linux Guru you need?
>>> Are you really after a Linux/Unix Administrator to administer your
>>> systems and perform/confirm successfully backups and pro actively
>>> maintain your system? People doing that work usually get between $60 and
>>> $90 per hour depending on what state you are in. What benefits would you
>>> be providing to entice someone to do this much work for free? What
>>> hours? Day or night?
>>>
>>
>> So much for Linux being free...
> The distribution is free you spank.

Duh.

> Knowledge is rarely free as you well know.

As the Linux profiteers well know.

Talk them into using a "free" OS and then rort them on support... nice.

[Ext User(Terryc)]

Clockmeister wrote:

>
> Talk them into using a "free" OS and then rort them on support... nice.

well, lets look at the alternatives;

1) Linux, buy a set of CDs or DVD (or download and burn iso(s)) ,
install on as many PCs (very wide variety of architecture) as you want
for no extra coast. You can change the code as much as you want for your
own use[1], gpl, etc, etc, etc. Has the potential of some great
software[2]. Has the potential to work on most software, but
increasingly works on less. Determined to repeat every mistake that
Microsoft has every made. support is "free" provided you can dodge all
the piss information and pissheads.

2) Mac; proprietary software on proprietary hardware. $$$$$$ (big $$$$)

3) Windows; costs you for each and every install of the Os, then costs
you for each and every application. Promiscuous slut of an operating
system that brings home every STD and will just bore you for money year
after year after year. I estimate I would save $5K-$10K pa. by switching
to Linux (shame it never happened)

4)*BSD - never used it, free(?), but small following.

5) Unix - again, proprietary system on restricted expensive hardware.


6) Other flash in the pans.



[1] this is Linux's great failing and why it is just another piece of
shit operating system. "If you are good enough to change my code, they
you do not need any comments in the source code". Shithead programmers
have done a great job of screwing a nice idea.


[2] the word is potential. I've never been impressed by Linux
applications and find myself drawn increasingly to "unix" sourced
applications and still having to run Windows.
>
>
>

[Ext User(Gary R. Schmidt)]

Clockmeister wrote:

> "atec77" <""atec77 \"@ hotmail.com"> wrote in message
> news:453c0d30$0$4674$61c65585@un-2park-reader-01.sydney.pipenetworks.com.au...
>
>>Clockmeister wrote:
>>
>>>"Ob1" <bensnet1@netscape.remove.net> wrote in message
>>>news:1161517247.755971@fire.ben.net...
>>>
>>>>And define what level of Linux Guru you need?
>>>>Are you really after a Linux/Unix Administrator to administer your
>>>>systems and perform/confirm successfully backups and pro actively
>>>>maintain your system? People doing that work usually get between $60 and
>>>>$90 per hour depending on what state you are in. What benefits would you
>>>>be providing to entice someone to do this much work for free? What
>>>>hours? Day or night?
>>>>
>>>
>>>So much for Linux being free...
>>
>>The distribution is free you spank.
>
>
> Duh.
>
>
>> Knowledge is rarely free as you well know.
>
>
> As the Linux profiteers well know.
>
> Talk them into using a "free" OS and then rort them on support... nice.
>
Ever priced Microsoft support?

Or ever paid it?

Not cheap, even with the discounts for a dozen big server licenses,
unlimited SQL connections, and a couple of hundred workstations.

Cheers,
Gary B-)

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whether you were up them with or not
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[Ext User(Gary R. Schmidt)]

Terryc wrote:
[SNIP]
> 5) Unix - again, proprietary system on restricted expensive hardware.
You are a bit out of date - Solaris 10 is *free*, and has been for a
couple of years.

It is available for the SPARC, x86_32 and x86_64 architectures.

I run it on my laptop, a 32-bit x86 box at home, and a 64-bit x86 box
which will replace the 32-bit one when I stop using it for other stuff.

And the 64-bit box is close to the cheapest I've bought - it was about
$600 for 1Gb RAM, 160Gb disk, 3GHz HT P4-EMT64 and all-in-1 MB.

Cheers,
Gary B-)

[Ext User(passmore)]

"Gary R. Schmidt" <grschmidt@acm.org> wrote in message
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> Ever priced Microsoft support?
>
> Or ever paid it?
>
> Not cheap, even with the discounts for a dozen big server licenses,
> unlimited SQL connections, and a couple of hundred workstations.
>
> Cheers,
> Gary B-)
>


Who wants to work for a business that can't afford a significant IT
infrastructure?

[Ext User(Terryc)]

Gary R. Schmidt wrote:
> Terryc wrote:
> [SNIP]
>
>>5) Unix - again, proprietary system on restricted expensive hardware.
>
> You are a bit out of date - Solaris 10 is *free*, and has been for a
> couple of years.

It isn't free in the sense that I would have to go out and buy some
grunty hardware to run it.

>
> It is available for the SPARC, x86_32 and x86_64 architectures.

I have a Sparc that I install Solaris 8 on and it is glacial. So much so
that I installed RH Linux on the classic. {:-).


I might try it again on X86_32, but it really depends on the application
software and I am not interested in downloading and re-compiling
everything (been there, done that = no thank you I have work to do)
>

> And the 64-bit box is close to the cheapest I've bought - it was about
> $600 for 1Gb RAM, 160Gb disk, 3GHz HT P4-EMT64 and all-in-1 MB.

I'm going to ignore that as it isn't even X86_32 prices.

[Ext User(Terryc)]

passmore wrote:

> Who wants to work for a business that can't afford a significant IT
> infrastructure?

I have always found them more interesting and had far better projects.
You really have to know yourstuff to maitain creds.


lol, once helped a manager submit a proposal for a >$2M upgrade and
told him that it would never happen because it didn't bring 1c extra
into the organisation. Head office Os brought the proposal, but local
office said no way (will kill their bonuses from the overdraft).

They can be good fun.

My worst jobs have been for places with significant IT struture.


>

[Ext User(Gary R. Schmidt)]

passmore wrote:

>
> "Gary R. Schmidt" <grschmidt@acm.org> wrote in message
> news:apvv04-8sl.ln1@paranoia.mcleod-schmidt.id.au...
>
>> Ever priced Microsoft support?
>>
>> Or ever paid it?
>>
>> Not cheap, even with the discounts for a dozen big server licenses,
>> unlimited SQL connections, and a couple of hundred workstations.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Gary B-)
>>
>
>
> Who wants to work for a business that can't afford a significant IT
> infrastructure?
No one.

Have you ever tried to get MS to pay attention to a problem that appears
in their C/C++ compiler? Even when you have a support contract that
costs 6-figures per year? Even in Pacific Pesos, it's a lot, and they
just *don't* want to know if it's not a problem in Word or Excel, or SQL
Server.

With IBM I could always get a problem listed, not necessarily *fixed*,
but they usually admitted to it existing. (That's with various versions
of AIX, DB2/UDB, and the C/C++ compiler that _isn't_ Visual Age.)

HP, about the same, and so on for DEC, DG, Siemens, Pyramid, and all the
others, back into the dim, dark past.

Now, I've not had the joy of a support contract with a Linux distributor
yet, and, as I currently work at SGI and we have a link with SuSE/Novell
(because we use SLES on out Altix (Itanium and x86_64) systems (IRIX is
dead)), I'm not likely to in the short term, I really can't comment too
directly, but they seem pretty good at fixing the problems we report.

Cheers,
Gary B-)

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whether you were up them with or not
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[Ext User(Gary R. Schmidt)]

Terryc wrote:

> Gary R. Schmidt wrote:
>
>> Terryc wrote:
>> [SNIP]
>>
>>> 5) Unix - again, proprietary system on restricted expensive hardware.
>>
>>
>> You are a bit out of date - Solaris 10 is *free*, and has been for a
>> couple of years.
>
>
> It isn't free in the sense that I would have to go out and buy some
> grunty hardware to run it.
Runs just fine on my 800MHz Duron, with 512Mb of RAM, which I wouldn't
class as "grunty" (not even when I bought it!).

>> It is available for the SPARC, x86_32 and x86_64 architectures.
>
>
> I have a Sparc that I install Solaris 8 on and it is glacial. So much so
> that I installed RH Linux on the classic. {:-).
S10 is 64-bit only, so it won't run on a Classic, you need an Ultra 5 at
the minimum, or a SPARCBook, IIRC. Oh, and Tadpoles should be fine, too.

> I might try it again on X86_32, but it really depends on the application
> software and I am not interested in downloading and re-compiling
> everything (been there, done that = no thank you I have work to do)
I only compile the stuff I'm developing, or that has a kernel version
tie-in, such as lsof, everything else I get from
<http://www.blastwave.org> or <http://www.sunfreeware.com>, free.

>> And the 64-bit box is close to the cheapest I've bought - it was about
>> $600 for 1Gb RAM, 160Gb disk, 3GHz HT P4-EMT64 and all-in-1 MB.
>
>
> I'm going to ignore that as it isn't even X86_32 prices.
Well, when I bought the Duron it was about $850 for the box, and the
Sempron that runs Windows was about $700... I don't buy boxes that
often... At least, not when I'm the person footing the bill!

Cheers,
Gary B-)

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[Ext User(Sandgroper)]

"passmore" <webmaster@owieruoiweughsdjfhakfhsdg.com> wrote in message
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>
>
> Who wants to work for a business that can't afford a significant IT
> infrastructure?
>

Who would want to work for anybody who wants a Linux guru to work for
nothing.
:P




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[Ext User(Terryc)]

Gary R. Schmidt wrote:

> Runs just fine on my 800MHz Duron, with 512Mb of RAM, which I wouldn't
> class as "grunty" (not even when I bought it!).

That is grunty for here, P100-P266 & PII-266 usually {:-). I do have an
Duron 800, but it has gone intermittent. The P3 1Gb is intermittent.


> I only compile the stuff I'm developing, or that has a kernel version
> tie-in, such as lsof, everything else I get from
> <http://www.blastwave.org> or <http://www.sunfreeware.com>, free.

Thanks. will look there when I next score some sparc hardware.