Outstanding Art/Photo Website award to wedding/portrait photographer

[Ext User(Wayne J. Cosshall)]

Hi All,

I've given a Nov 2006 Outstanding Art/Photography Website Award to Nadia
Salameh Photography, a great wedding/portrait photographer who also does
some stunning personal work:
<http://www.dimagemaker.com/specials/website.php>

Congratulations Nadia.

Cheers,

Wayne

Wayne J. Cosshall
Publisher, The Digital ImageMaker, http://www.dimagemaker.com/
Blog http://www.digitalimagemakerworld.com/
Publisher, Experimental Digital Photography
http://www.experimentaldigitalphotography.com
Coordindinator of Studies, Multimedia and Photomedia, Australian Academy
of Design
Personal art site http://www.artinyourface.com/

[Ext User(lubecki@hotmail.com)]

Wayne J. Cosshall wrote:
> Hi All,
>
> I've given a Nov 2006 Outstanding Art/Photography Website Award to Nadia
> Salameh Photography, a great wedding/portrait photographer who also does
> some stunning personal work:
> <http://www.dimagemaker.com/specials/website.php>
>
> Congratulations Nadia.

Hmm... maybe I just don't like wedding photography, but most of the
photos on her site are completely soulless and saccharine. Not much
interesting stuff at all.

And it's a Flash website with a freaking intro. Yuck.

-Gniewko

[Ext User(Forest Wanderer)]

I would like for you to consider one of my sites.

The most recent I have posted is http://www.forestwaterfalls.com

Wayne J. Cosshall wrote:
> Hi All,
>
> I've given a Nov 2006 Outstanding Art/Photography Website Award to Nadia
> Salameh Photography, a great wedding/portrait photographer who also does
> some stunning personal work:
> <http://www.dimagemaker.com/specials/website.php>
>
> Congratulations Nadia.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Wayne
>
> Wayne J. Cosshall
> Publisher, The Digital ImageMaker, http://www.dimagemaker.com/
> Blog http://www.digitalimagemakerworld.com/
> Publisher, Experimental Digital Photography
> http://www.experimentaldigitalphotography.com
> Coordindinator of Studies, Multimedia and Photomedia, Australian Academy
> of Design
> Personal art site http://www.artinyourface.com/

[Ext User(Wayne J. Cosshall)]

lubecki@hotmail.com wrote:
> Wayne J. Cosshall wrote:
>> Hi All,
>>
>> I've given a Nov 2006 Outstanding Art/Photography Website Award to Nadia
>> Salameh Photography, a great wedding/portrait photographer who also does
>> some stunning personal work:
>> <http://www.dimagemaker.com/specials/website.php>
>>
>> Congratulations Nadia.
>
> Hmm... maybe I just don't like wedding photography, but most of the
> photos on her site are completely soulless and saccharine. Not much
> interesting stuff at all.
>
> And it's a Flash website with a freaking intro. Yuck.
>
> -Gniewko
>
Wedding photography does have constraints, since you must meet the
client's requirements and expectations. It is not my personal idea of
fun either. Did some. Decided I didn't like it. However, by commercial
standards I think Nadia's work is great, pleasing work.

I know what you mean about flash intros, but this one did not bother me,
at least the first time to the site. So I did not discount the site
because of it.

Cheers,

Wayne

--
Wayne J. Cosshall
Publisher, The Digital ImageMaker, http://www.dimagemaker.com/
Blog http://www.digitalimagemakerworld.com/

[Ext User(Wayne J. Cosshall)]

Forest Wanderer wrote:
> I would like for you to consider one of my sites.
>
> The most recent I have posted is http://www.forestwaterfalls.com

Thanks, I'll consider it.

Cheers,

Wayne

--
Wayne J. Cosshall
Publisher, The Digital ImageMaker, http://www.dimagemaker.com/
Blog http://www.digitalimagemakerworld.com/

[Ext User(Alan K.)]

On Tue, 14 Nov 2006 14:47:21 +1100, "Wayne J. Cosshall"
<wayne@dimagemaker.com> wrote:
>lubecki@hotmail.com wrote:
>> Wayne J. Cosshall wrote:
>>> I've given a Nov 2006 Outstanding Art/Photography Website Award to Nadia
>>> Salameh Photography, a great wedding/portrait photographer who also does
>>> some stunning personal work:
>>> <http://www.dimagemaker.com/specials/website.php>
>> Hmm... maybe I just don't like wedding photography, but most of the
>> photos on her site are completely soulless and saccharine. Not much
>> interesting stuff at all.
>> And it's a Flash website with a freaking intro. Yuck.
>> -Gniewko
>Wedding photography does have constraints, since you must meet the
>client's requirements and expectations. It is not my personal idea of
>fun either. Did some. Decided I didn't like it. However, by commercial
>standards I think Nadia's work is great, pleasing work.
>
>I know what you mean about flash intros, but this one did not bother me,
>at least the first time to the site. So I did not discount the site
>because of it.

With regard to the site, I've got to go with Gniewko on this one for a
number of reasons.

First, not everyone has broadband. Second, not everyone has *fast*
broadband. Third, not everyone wants to chew up their broadband quotas
on Flash fluff. Fourth, it has sound (music) that plays by default,
which is a complete and utter no-no IMHO. There's nothing more
annoying than opening a web site at the office or at home when someone
in the next room is sleeping, and suddenly having Kenny Bloody G (or
something that sounds very similar) blasting out of the speakers
whether you want it to or not. (Especially when at dial up speed the
music keeps stopping and starting which is, curiously, even more
irritating than when it plays constantly. At least there was an Off
option, but Off should be the default.) Fifth, I WAS going to say that
the site was missing the all important "Skip Flash Intro" link that
web designers should be forced to put on EVERY Flash-containing web
site upon pain of something being done to them which involves very hot
and very pointy pokers. However it appears that not only is the intro
done in Flash, the *Whole Frappin' Site* is done in Flash which makes
it slower than an arthritic tortoise on a dial up connection and makes
it impossible to load the thumbnails of different galleries in tabs in
Firefox. Sixth, I sometimes (randomly rather than constantly) found it
difficult to determine a causal relationship between the thumbnail
that my mouse was resting on, and the image that appeared at the top.

IMHO, any web site that is all Flash or doesn't allow you to bypass
Flash should be automatically out of the running for ANY web site
award until such time as everyone has bandwidth that is about 10 times
as fast and a hundredth of the cost.

Maybe it was done via Flash to make it harder for people to pilfer
copies of the shots. But whatever the reason, I hereby appoint myself
Grand Inquisitor of the Campaign For the Reclaiming of the Web for
True HTML. (That's GIOTCFTROTWFTH to you.) To the barricades,
citizens!

(For the humour-impaired, there was a " 8^> " involved in the last
paragraph, but not in the second-last one.)

[Ext User(James McNangle)]

Alan K. <No@Spam.For.Me> wrote:

>With regard to the site, I've got to go with Gniewko on this one for a
>number of reasons.
>
>First, not everyone has broadband. Second, not everyone has *fast*
>broadband. Third, not everyone wants to chew up their broadband quotas
>on Flash fluff. Fourth, it has sound (music) that plays by default,
>which is a complete and utter no-no IMHO.

I totally agree. Any site which blares out noise are me without my specific
request gets instantly killed. And ditto sites with things jumping up and down.
Flash, in my opinion, is the digital equivalent of cars with mag wheels and open
exhausts.

I didn't get as far as the recommended site. I got to Wayne's site, saw all the
rubbish that clutters it up, and thought that if that's his idea of good website
design, I won't bother going any further.

James McNangle

[Ext User(JC Dill)]

On Tue, 14 Nov 2006 20:32:25 +1100, Alan K. <No@Spam.For.Me> wrote:

>IMHO, any web site that is all Flash or doesn't allow you to bypass
>Flash should be automatically out of the running for ANY web site
>award until such time as everyone has bandwidth that is about 10 times
>as fast and a hundredth of the cost.

Hear hear!

Ditto to everything else Alan said as well.

jc

--

"The nice thing about a mare is you get to ride a lot
of different horses without having to own that many."
~ Eileen Morgan of The Mare's Nest, PA

[Ext User(Rick Sciacca)]

On 11/14/06 4:32 AM, in article v51jl2pe99roieqkoi8t703869k2nd1vrh@4ax.com,
"Alan K." <No@Spam.For.Me> wrote:


> IMHO, any web site that is all Flash or doesn't allow you to bypass
> Flash should be automatically out of the running for ANY web site
> award until such time as everyone has bandwidth that is about 10 times
> as fast and a hundredth of the cost.

I don't know how anyone can justify not having broadband now. What? You like
to wait for pages to load? :)

[Ext User(wayne)]

Hi Alan,

Great post. You raise some good points.

Let me give you my rationale for the site award:
Firstly the images have to be great, which I think these are
Now to the site. In many ways I agree with you in general, however I
try to judge a site my its intended purpose and audience. I apply this
to everything. If I was asked my opinion of someone's family snaps I
would not judge it in the same way I would entries for the
International Digital Art Award. This is not a site aimed at the
general public. Rather it is a site of a professional photographer
whose potential clients I suspect are at the middle to upper end of
wedding/portrait photography clients. So they have money. They thus
probably also have broadband. We are also talking about clients who
will only visit the site a few times and are thus unlikely to get bored
with the intro. So for such clients I think the site is fine.

That's my view.

Cheers,

Wayne

Alan K. wrote:
>
> With regard to the site, I've got to go with Gniewko on this one for a
> number of reasons.
>
> First, not everyone has broadband. Second, not everyone has *fast*
> broadband. Third, not everyone wants to chew up their broadband quotas
> on Flash fluff. Fourth, it has sound (music) that plays by default,
> which is a complete and utter no-no IMHO. There's nothing more
> annoying than opening a web site at the office or at home when someone
> in the next room is sleeping, and suddenly having Kenny Bloody G (or
> something that sounds very similar) blasting out of the speakers
> whether you want it to or not. (Especially when at dial up speed the
> music keeps stopping and starting which is, curiously, even more
> irritating than when it plays constantly. At least there was an Off
> option, but Off should be the default.) Fifth, I WAS going to say that
> the site was missing the all important "Skip Flash Intro" link that
> web designers should be forced to put on EVERY Flash-containing web
> site upon pain of something being done to them which involves very hot
> and very pointy pokers. However it appears that not only is the intro
> done in Flash, the *Whole Frappin' Site* is done in Flash which makes
> it slower than an arthritic tortoise on a dial up connection and makes
> it impossible to load the thumbnails of different galleries in tabs in
> Firefox. Sixth, I sometimes (randomly rather than constantly) found it
> difficult to determine a causal relationship between the thumbnail
> that my mouse was resting on, and the image that appeared at the top.
>
> IMHO, any web site that is all Flash or doesn't allow you to bypass
> Flash should be automatically out of the running for ANY web site
> award until such time as everyone has bandwidth that is about 10 times
> as fast and a hundredth of the cost.
>
> Maybe it was done via Flash to make it harder for people to pilfer
> copies of the shots. But whatever the reason, I hereby appoint myself
> Grand Inquisitor of the Campaign For the Reclaiming of the Web for
> True HTML. (That's GIOTCFTROTWFTH to you.) To the barricades,
> citizens!
>
> (For the humour-impaired, there was a " 8^> " involved in the last
> paragraph, but not in the second-last one.)

[Ext User(Sudee)]

Rick Sciacca wrote:
>
>
> On 11/14/06 4:32 AM, in article v51jl2pe99roieqkoi8t703869k2nd1vrh@4ax.com,
> "Alan K." <No@Spam.For.Me> wrote:
>
>
>
>>IMHO, any web site that is all Flash or doesn't allow you to bypass
>>Flash should be automatically out of the running for ANY web site
>>award until such time as everyone has bandwidth that is about 10 times
>>as fast and a hundredth of the cost.
>
>
> I don't know how anyone can justify not having broadband now. What? You like
> to wait for pages to load? :)
>
We're not all city critters. Broadband (and cable) go where the highest
density of potential customers are first. Then they take their own sweet
time getting optical fiber, etc. out in rural areas. We couldn't get
broadband where I live until about 6 months ago, and we still wouldn't
have more than 2 or 3 TV stations if it weren't for satellite.

Sue

[Ext User(Slack)]

On Mon, 13 Nov 2006 15:13:38 -0800, <lubecki@hotmail.com> wrote:

> Wayne J. Cosshall wrote:
>> Hi All,
>>
>> I've given a Nov 2006 Outstanding Art/Photography Website Award to Nadia
>> Salameh Photography, a great wedding/portrait photographer who also does
>> some stunning personal work:
>> <http://www.dimagemaker.com/specials/website.php>
>>
>> Congratulations Nadia.
>
> Hmm... maybe I just don't like wedding photography, but most of the
> photos on her site are completely soulless and saccharine. Not much
> interesting stuff at all.
>
> And it's a Flash website with a freaking intro. Yuck.
>
> -Gniewko
>


I found her work to be incredibly well done. Her portrait work is amazing.

I'm not a Flash fan either, but she did a great job on her site;
professional and user friendly.... the chick is good!
--
Slack

[Ext User(Fletis Humplebacker)]

Sudee wrote:
> Rick Sciacca wrote:

>> I don't know how anyone can justify not having broadband now. What?
>> You like
>> to wait for pages to load? :)

I can justify it quite easily. Instead of 12 bucks a month it
would cost me $120 a month for two sites, plus hardware.
I can live without seeing every idiotic thing posted on the web.
Good web designs load fairly fast with a good dialup connection.


> We're not all city critters. Broadband (and cable) go where the highest
> density of potential customers are first. Then they take their own sweet
> time getting optical fiber, etc. out in rural areas. We couldn't get
> broadband where I live until about 6 months ago, and we still wouldn't
> have more than 2 or 3 TV stations if it weren't for satellite.
>
> Sue

There has been internet via satellite for a while too but I
justified not getting that either.

[Ext User(Raphael Bustin)]

On Sat, 18 Nov 2006 06:39:03 -0800, Fletis Humplebacker <homi@zip.net>
wrote:


>There has been internet via satellite for a while too but I
>justified not getting that either.


You and Larry King. Except Larry doesn't even have dialup.


rafe b
www.terrapinphoto.com

[Ext User(kosh)]

Wayne J. Cosshall wrote:
> Hi All,
>
> I've given a Nov 2006 Outstanding Art/Photography Website Award to Nadia
> Salameh Photography, a great wedding/portrait photographer who also does
> some stunning personal work:
> <http://www.dimagemaker.com/specials/website.php>
>
> Congratulations Nadia.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Wayne
>
> Wayne J. Cosshall
> Publisher, The Digital ImageMaker, http://www.dimagemaker.com/
> Blog http://www.digitalimagemakerworld.com/
> Publisher, Experimental Digital Photography
> http://www.experimentaldigitalphotography.com
> Coordindinator of Studies, Multimedia and Photomedia, Australian Academy
> of Design
> Personal art site http://www.artinyourface.com/


so, the site has been slammed by many... personllay I like the
photographers work... but it's bloody useless knowing a good American
wedding photographer in AUSTRALIA!

thanks for the cross-post!

[Ext User(Wayne J. Cosshall)]

kosh wrote:
>
> so, the site has been slammed by many... personllay I like the
> photographers work... but it's bloody useless knowing a good American
> wedding photographer in AUSTRALIA!
>
> thanks for the cross-post!

Actually I figured even us Australians might learn something from
looking at good photography and presentation. Afterall that is what the
award is for, not to generate wedding work (directly).

Cheers,

Wayne

--
Wayne J. Cosshall
Publisher, The Digital ImageMaker, http://www.dimagemaker.com/
Blog http://www.digitalimagemakerworld.com/