Hilux starting issues.

[Ext User(Diesel Damo)]

For those that don't know, it's a 1989 LN106 diesel 4WD Hilux (prolly
should have mentioned that a few threads ago).

First of all, does the starter use gear drives?

Because when cold, sometimes when I go to kick it over it sounds like
the teeth of two gear cogs grinding together rather than meshing.

*krkrkrkrkrk* <lets go of key> wiiIIZZZZZzzzzzzz...

Do the teeth just wear with age? And can I safely assume the problem
goes no further than the starter motor?

I should add that this did happen once or twice before the rebuild, but
seems to be quickly getting worse.

Any ideas welcome.

[Ext User(feral)]

Diesel Damo wrote:

> Any ideas welcome.

New tight donk. What would you expect a suspect starter to do?
Wasn't it checked?

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[Ext User(Andy)]

Diesel Damo wrote:
> For those that don't know, it's a 1989 LN106 diesel 4WD Hilux (prolly
> should have mentioned that a few threads ago).
>
> First of all, does the starter use gear drives?
>
> Because when cold, sometimes when I go to kick it over it sounds like
> the teeth of two gear cogs grinding together rather than meshing.
>
> *krkrkrkrkrk* <lets go of key> wiiIIZZZZZzzzzzzz...
>
> Do the teeth just wear with age? And can I safely assume the problem
> goes no further than the starter motor?


Hmmmm....no. I hope your ring gear is OK, which is not a fun fix if
worn/missing.


> I should add that this did happen once or twice before the rebuild, but
> seems to be quickly getting worse.
>
> Any ideas welcome.

Seek repairer's assistance is my only idea at this point, sorry.

Best of luck.

Cheers,

Andy. (the other Andy.)

[Ext User(John_H)]

Diesel Damo wrote:
>
>For those that don't know, it's a 1989 LN106 diesel 4WD Hilux (prolly
>should have mentioned that a few threads ago).
>
>First of all, does the starter use gear drives?

Hilux diesels have reduction gears before the pinion.

>
>Because when cold, sometimes when I go to kick it over it sounds like
>the teeth of two gear cogs grinding together rather than meshing.
>
>*krkrkrkrkrk* <lets go of key> wiiIIZZZZZzzzzzzz...
>
>Do the teeth just wear with age? And can I safely assume the problem
>goes no further than the starter motor?

Most likely the reduction gears are buggered but if it happens to be
the pinion you risk damaging the ring gear on the flywheel.

>
>I should add that this did happen once or twice before the rebuild, but
>seems to be quickly getting worse.
>
>Any ideas welcome.

Start by ringing Repco, or similar, for the price on a new
(aftermarket) starter motor... which is likely to be the cheapest
repair option for any 400,000km unit (if one's available for your
model). See an auto electrician if you want a second opinion.

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John H

[Ext User(the_dawggie)]

Diesel Damo wrote:
> For those that don't know, it's a 1989 LN106 diesel 4WD Hilux (prolly
> should have mentioned that a few threads ago).
>
> First of all, does the starter use gear drives?
>
> Because when cold, sometimes when I go to kick it over it sounds like
> the teeth of two gear cogs grinding together rather than meshing.
>
> *krkrkrkrkrk* <lets go of key> wiiIIZZZZZzzzzzzz...
>
> Do the teeth just wear with age? And can I safely assume the problem
> goes no further than the starter motor?
>
> I should add that this did happen once or twice before the rebuild, but
> seems to be quickly getting worse.
>
> Any ideas welcome.

Anything wears out, however ....

Feck, gunna need to send you section "ST"
of the manuel again, too.

Pinion gear tooth broken or faulty starter,
Flywheel teeth broke .....

Find your fecking engine manuel :-)

[Ext User(Diesel Damo)]

feral wrote:
> Diesel Damo wrote:
>
> > Any ideas welcome.
>
> New tight donk. What would you expect a suspect starter to do?

As long as the starter is the suspect, I'm fine with that.

> Wasn't it checked?

Nope. Nothing about starter (or alternator for that matter) on the
bill... <goes off and writes new "to do" list>

[Ext User(Diesel Damo)]

Andy wrote:
> > Do the teeth just wear with age? And can I safely assume the problem
> > goes no further than the starter motor?
>
>
> Hmmmm....no. I hope your ring gear is OK, which is not a fun fix if
> worn/missing.
>
>
> > I should add that this did happen once or twice before the rebuild, but
> > seems to be quickly getting worse.
> >
> > Any ideas welcome.
>
> Seek repairer's assistance is my only idea at this point, sorry.
>
> Best of luck.

Thanks, I'll defo be doing that at least.

[Ext User(Diesel Damo)]

John_H wrote:
> Diesel Damo wrote:
> >
> >For those that don't know, it's a 1989 LN106 diesel 4WD Hilux (prolly
> >should have mentioned that a few threads ago).
> >
> >First of all, does the starter use gear drives?
>
> Hilux diesels have reduction gears before the pinion.
>
> >
> >Because when cold, sometimes when I go to kick it over it sounds like
> >the teeth of two gear cogs grinding together rather than meshing.
> >
> >*krkrkrkrkrk* <lets go of key> wiiIIZZZZZzzzzzzz...
> >
> >Do the teeth just wear with age? And can I safely assume the problem
> >goes no further than the starter motor?
>
> Most likely the reduction gears are buggered but if it happens to be
> the pinion you risk damaging the ring gear on the flywheel.

Thanks. I'll be onto this ASAP.

> Start by ringing Repco, or similar, for the price on a new
> (aftermarket) starter motor... which is likely to be the cheapest
> repair option for any 400,000km unit (if one's available for your
> model). See an auto electrician if you want a second opinion.

Yeah this was going to be my first step. It's probably a tired old unit
because I strongly suspect it's previous owner (who did the first
200,000) used it just as a farm tool. So lots of cold starts and short
runs and not too good on the oil changes just by the way (to quote the
engine builder on the contents of the sump "a bucket of vegemite").

[Ext User(atec 77)]

Andy wrote:
> Diesel Damo wrote:
>> For those that don't know, it's a 1989 LN106 diesel 4WD Hilux (prolly
>> should have mentioned that a few threads ago).
>>
>> First of all, does the starter use gear drives?
>>
>> Because when cold, sometimes when I go to kick it over it sounds like
>> the teeth of two gear cogs grinding together rather than meshing.
>>
>> *krkrkrkrkrk* <lets go of key> wiiIIZZZZZzzzzzzz...
>>
>> Do the teeth just wear with age? And can I safely assume the problem
>> goes no further than the starter motor?
>
>
> Hmmmm....no. I hope your ring gear is OK, which is not a fun fix if
> worn/missing.
>
>
>> I should add that this did happen once or twice before the rebuild, but
>> seems to be quickly getting worse.
>>
>> Any ideas welcome.
>
> Seek repairer's assistance is my only idea at this point, sorry.
>
> Best of luck.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Andy. (the other Andy.)


Are you offering to inspect his ring gear ?

[Ext User(atec 77)]

Diesel Damo wrote:
> For those that don't know, it's a 1989 LN106 diesel 4WD Hilux (prolly
> should have mentioned that a few threads ago).
>
> First of all, does the starter use gear drives?
>
> Because when cold, sometimes when I go to kick it over it sounds like
> the teeth of two gear cogs grinding together rather than meshing.
>
> *krkrkrkrkrk* <lets go of key> wiiIIZZZZZzzzzzzz...
>
> Do the teeth just wear with age? And can I safely assume the problem
> goes no further than the starter motor?
>
> I should add that this did happen once or twice before the rebuild, but
> seems to be quickly getting worse.
>
> Any ideas welcome.
>
Swap the battery and see what happens
if not then pull the starter and have it inspected , a replacment
foulcan unit is about $125.00 so I expect your ro be prohibitive as I
suspect the gear drive is buggered .

[Ext User(Diesel Damo)]

the_dawggie wrote:
> Pinion gear tooth broken or faulty starter,
> Flywheel teeth broke .....

<shudder>

> Find your fecking engine manuel :-)

Erm, it's becoming a big priority :-)

[Ext User(Diesel Damo)]

atec 77 wrote:
> Swap the battery and see what happens

Battery is fairly new though.

> if not then pull the starter and have it inspected

Definitely.

> , a replacment foulcan unit is about $125.00

At least it won't be a big cost, given that as a yard stick.

> so I expect your ro be prohibitive as I
> suspect the gear drive is buggered .

I can't fix this vehicle fast enough. Seems I'm hitting a definite
expiry date (no thanks to first owner).

[Ext User(Fraser Johnston)]

"Andy" <nospam@no.no> wrote in message
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> Diesel Damo wrote:
>> For those that don't know, it's a 1989 LN106 diesel 4WD Hilux (prolly
>> should have mentioned that a few threads ago).
>>
>> First of all, does the starter use gear drives?
>>
>> Because when cold, sometimes when I go to kick it over it sounds like
>> the teeth of two gear cogs grinding together rather than meshing.
>>
>> *krkrkrkrkrk* <lets go of key> wiiIIZZZZZzzzzzzz...
>>
>> Do the teeth just wear with age? And can I safely assume the problem
>> goes no further than the starter motor?
>
>
> Hmmmm....no. I hope your ring gear is OK, which is not a fun fix if
> worn/missing.

I wore out pestys mums ring gear and she wasn't happy.

Fraser

[Ext User(the_dawggie)]

Fraser Johnston wrote:

> I wore out pestys mums ring gear and she wasn't happy.

A stick shift might be better - no one really knows,
however can migrate randomly as node mentioned.

[Ext User(feral)]

Fraser Johnston wrote:

> I wore out pestys mums ring gear and she wasn't happy.

Out of warranty eh?

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[Ext User(Andy)]

the_dawggie wrote:
> Fraser Johnston wrote:
>
>> I wore out pestys mums ring gear and she wasn't happy.
>
> A stick shift might be better - no one really knows,
> however can migrate randomly as node mentioned.


I don't like to think what 're-sleeving the bore' involves.

[Ext User(Fraser Johnston)]

"Andy" <nospam@no.no> wrote in message
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> the_dawggie wrote:
>> Fraser Johnston wrote:
>>
>>> I wore out pestys mums ring gear and she wasn't happy.
>>
>> A stick shift might be better - no one really knows,
>> however can migrate randomly as node mentioned.
>
>
> I don't like to think what 're-sleeving the bore' involves.

I generally chuck in a leg of lamb and pull out the bone.

Fraser

[Ext User(Fraser Johnston)]

"feral" <plonked@home.ru> wrote in message
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> Fraser Johnston wrote:
>
>> I wore out pestys mums ring gear and she wasn't happy.
>
> Out of warranty eh?

Yeah. Lucky the services are cheap.

Fraser

[Ext User(atec 77)]

Andy wrote:
> the_dawggie wrote:
>> Fraser Johnston wrote:
>>
>>> I wore out pestys mums ring gear and she wasn't happy.
>>
>> A stick shift might be better - no one really knows,
>> however can migrate randomly as node mentioned.
>
>
> I don't like to think what 're-sleeving the whore' involves.
That would be david z's mum ?

[Ext User(Dan---)]

On Sun, 03 Dec 2006 18:54:07 +0800, Fraser Johnston wrote:


>
> I wore out pestys mums ring gear and she wasn't happy.

Got called in for a recall fix?


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