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<OzOne> wrote in message news:munaq2dc0fevmnsf7ps4fhc1ildff735og@4ax.com...
>> On Thu, 11 Jan 2007 06:31:08 +0900, "Clockmeister"
>> <whowhere@andwhy.com> scribbled thusly:
>>
>>>
>>>None of which have anything to do with preventing rust.
>>>
>> Then you know jack about cars Tick Tock.

And yet clocky has been more helpful in this ng than your good self oz.


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<OzOne> wrote in message news:munaq2dc0fevmnsf7ps4fhc1ildff735og@4ax.com...

> Then you know jack about cars Tick Tock.

Lol :)

That'll do as the ultimate "pot kettle" post until I find a better one :)

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<OzOne> wrote in message news:6nnaq2dlfq3ea0pf5csol4q7ehjvi837s2@4ax.com...

> Really?
> Maybe if you have a look at the cars where rust starts around windows
> and under trim strips?

And why do you think that is?

> You're living with your 60's Falcon Nod.....

And you clearly have no fucking idea Oz.

As usual.

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On Wed, 10 Jan 2007 23:43:33 GMT, "Noddy" <dg4163@(nospam)dodo.com.au>
scribbled thusly:

>
><OzOne> wrote in message news:6nnaq2dlfq3ea0pf5csol4q7ehjvi837s2@4ax.com...
>
>> Really?
>> Maybe if you have a look at the cars where rust starts around windows
>> and under trim strips?
>
>And why do you think that is?

Ummm mostly because dirt gets under the strips and holds moisture....
So you need to clean the car.
>> You're living with your 60's Falcon Nod.....
>
>And you clearly have no fucking idea Oz.

No Nod, I know that old Falcons, most old cars actually DO rust from
the inside out because they were build badly with closw fitting sheet
metal that held dust which stayed wet and caused rust.
Wanna tell me any different?
>As usual.



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On Thu, 11 Jan 2007 09:45:52 +1100, Dan---
<silver8v92ta@2cyclediesel.com> scribbled thusly:

><OzOne> wrote in message news:munaq2dc0fevmnsf7ps4fhc1ildff735og@4ax.com...
>>> On Thu, 11 Jan 2007 06:31:08 +0900, "Clockmeister"
>>> <whowhere@andwhy.com> scribbled thusly:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>None of which have anything to do with preventing rust.
>>>>
>>> Then you know jack about cars Tick Tock.
>
>And yet clocky has been more helpful in this ng than your good self oz.

Wow...radio codes......great stuff.


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<OzOne> wrote in message news:990bq2psj7ll1r8i5nlv2g5lf13e2vma8p@4ax.com...

> Ummm mostly because dirt gets under the strips and holds moisture....
> So you need to clean the car.

Nice try.

It's actually because moisture finds an unpainted area of metal, and it
starts from there. If the metal is sealed with paint (or anything else),
then all the dirt and moisture in the world isn't going to do a thing.

Neither will washing it.

> No Nod, I know that old Falcons, most old cars actually DO rust from
> the inside out because they were build badly with closw fitting sheet
> metal that held dust which stayed wet and caused rust.
> Wanna tell me any different?
>>As usual.

The point is completely lost on the likes of you Oz.

Cars rust from the inside out because the *inside* doesn't have the same
level of protective coverage on the metal as the outside. Automotive paint
is impervious to moisture, but undercoat isn't and that's precisely what you
find on the insides of doors, panels and other areas. Keeping these areas
clean helps, but keeping them *dry* is the key. Coating them with as much
waterproof material as you can also works well.

Washing the *outside* does absolutely nothing to prevent rust.

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On Thu, 11 Jan 2007 00:46:34 GMT, "Noddy" <dg4163@(nospam)dodo.com.au>
scribbled thusly:

>
><OzOne> wrote in message news:990bq2psj7ll1r8i5nlv2g5lf13e2vma8p@4ax.com...
>
>> Ummm mostly because dirt gets under the strips and holds moisture....
>> So you need to clean the car.
>
>Nice try.
>
>It's actually because moisture finds an unpainted area of metal, and it
>starts from there. If the metal is sealed with paint (or anything else),
>then all the dirt and moisture in the world isn't going to do a thing.
>
>Neither will washing it.

Oh OK, so washing away dirt accunulations won't help stop rust....I'll
keep that in mind.

>> No Nod, I know that old Falcons, most old cars actually DO rust from
>> the inside out because they were build badly with closw fitting sheet
>> metal that held dust which stayed wet and caused rust.
>> Wanna tell me any different?
>>>As usual.
>
>The point is completely lost on the likes of you Oz.
>
>Cars rust from the inside out because the *inside* doesn't have the same
>level of protective coverage on the metal as the outside. Automotive paint
>is impervious to moisture, but undercoat isn't and that's precisely what you
>find on the insides of doors, panels and other areas. Keeping these areas
>clean helps, but keeping them *dry* is the key. Coating them with as much
>waterproof material as you can also works well.

Yep, they rust because moisture gets into the dust accumulated in the
small crevices between panels then the rust starts.....You got it
right.
>
>Washing the *outside* does absolutely nothing to prevent rust.

Not according to you, However I will continue to keep dirt out from
under strips...seems to work quite well or are Lancias and Mitsubishis
resistant to rust


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[Ext User(Noddy)]

<OzOne> wrote in message news:473bq2dculdq4pij2r4m4agvsc3baq2m4q@4ax.com...

> Oh OK, so washing away dirt accunulations won't help stop rust....I'll
> keep that in mind.

Not on the outside, nope.

It'll keep your car nice and spiffy though.

> Yep, they rust because moisture gets into the dust accumulated in the
> small crevices between panels then the rust starts.....You got it
> right.

The part you left off is that this happens in areas that you *can't* wash :)

> Not according to you, However I will continue to keep dirt out from
> under strips...seems to work quite well or are Lancias and Mitsubishis
> resistant to rust

Nope, they rust like anything else made of tin (with the exception of the
Italian crap which rusts faster than anything else on earth).

If your cars are indeed rust free (and in particular the Dago crap), then
it'd have everything to do with them spending most of their days in dry
storage.

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On Thu, 11 Jan 2007 04:50:33 GMT, "Noddy" <dg4163@(nospam)dodo.com.au>
scribbled thusly:

>
><OzOne> wrote in message news:473bq2dculdq4pij2r4m4agvsc3baq2m4q@4ax.com...
>
>> Oh OK, so washing away dirt accunulations won't help stop rust....I'll
>> keep that in mind.
>
>Not on the outside, nope.

Sorry Nod, but getting the dirt and dust out from under the trim
strips will always help prevent rust..always has, always will.

>It'll keep your car nice and spiffy though.
>
>> Yep, they rust because moisture gets into the dust accumulated in the
>> small crevices between panels then the rust starts.....You got it
>> right.
>
>The part you left off is that this happens in areas that you *can't* wash :)

Yes that'sright Nod..Here we are talking about the rust that starts
from inside...the rust you have seen in 60's vintage cars.

The best prevention here was and is to seal those areas when the car
was new..fishoil was then one of the better substances to use.
>
>> Not according to you, However I will continue to keep dirt out from
>> under strips...seems to work quite well or are Lancias and Mitsubishis
>> resistant to rust
>
>Nope, they rust like anything else made of tin (with the exception of the
>Italian crap which rusts faster than anything else on earth).
>
>If your cars are indeed rust free (and in particular the Dago crap), then
>it'd have everything to do with them spending most of their days in dry
>storage.

And a lot to do with the careful cleaning ansd sealing of all those
interior crevices...we are after all talking older cars.
The lack of rust under the exterior trim is a direct result of careful
cleaning.


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[Ext User(Andy)]

Clockmeister wrote:
> "Andy" <nospam@no.no> wrote in message
> news:45a551bc$0$22058$5a62ac22@per-qv1-newsreader-01.iinet.net.au...
>> Clockmeister wrote:
>>> "Dan---" <silver8v92ta@2cyclediesel.com> wrote in message
>>> news:pan.2007.01.10.08.35.06.513331@8v92...
>>>> On Wed, 10 Jan 2007 19:12:15 +1100, Andy wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Dan--- wrote:
>>>>>> On Wed, 10 Jan 2007 15:23:38 +1100, Andy wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Sounds like an absolute pile of shit. Good luck with that.
>>>>>> Considering my Calais has over 50,000 click on it, it has been problem
>>>>>> free. Not bad for a "lemon" :-p
>>>>> Hell, my 5.0L Berlina has done 275,000 and still doesn't burn oil.
>>>> Not planning to keep my VY Calais that long.
>>>> Mrs is in my ear on getting a VE SSV. :-)
>>>>
>>> Wait for series II Dan, seriously.
>>
>> Hmmm...out of interest, why's that Clocky?
>>
>
> By then the bugs will have been ironed out (there are quite a few though
> none are serious) plus series II usually gets other improvements over series
> I for the same money, or less.


As long as the 'bugs' are minor things that are fixed under warranty I'm
not too worried. The ex-other half has just organised an SS V series
for just over $50K, so any chance I could squeeze more info out as to
what bugs to look for?

Cheers,

Andy. (t'other Andy.)

[Ext User(Andy)]

OzOne wrote:
> On Thu, 11 Jan 2007 07:51:08 +1100, Andy <nospam@no.no> scribbled
> thusly:
>
>>> Wait for series II Dan, seriously.
>>
>> Hmmm...out of interest, why's that Clocky?
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Andy. (t'other Andy.)
>
> I'll answer that for you Andy..the S1 is a POS full of faults and
> bugs..


Tell me what they are, and I might even think about believing you.

Andy.

[Ext User(Andy)]

OzOne wrote:
> On Wed, 10 Jan 2007 23:43:33 GMT, "Noddy" <dg4163@(nospam)dodo.com.au>
> scribbled thusly:
>
>> <OzOne> wrote in message news:6nnaq2dlfq3ea0pf5csol4q7ehjvi837s2@4ax.com...
>>
>>> Really?
>>> Maybe if you have a look at the cars where rust starts around windows
>>> and under trim strips?
>> And why do you think that is?
>
> Ummm mostly because dirt gets under the strips and holds moisture....
> So you need to clean the car.
>>> You're living with your 60's Falcon Nod.....
>> And you clearly have no fucking idea Oz.
>
> No Nod, I know that old Falcons, most old cars actually DO rust from
> the inside out because they were build badly with closw fitting sheet
> metal that held dust which stayed wet and caused rust.
> Wanna tell me any different?
>> As usual.


I hear the best way to prevent rust is to use phosphoric acid.

(C'mon, someone had to chime in with that one.)

Cheers,

Andy. (t'other Andy.)

[Ext User(Dan---)]

On Thu, 11 Jan 2007 17:56:29 +1100, Andy wrote:


>>
>> I'll answer that for you Andy..the S1 is a POS full of faults and
>> bugs..
>
>
> Tell me what they are, and I might even think about believing you.

LOL
This is gonna be interesting.

Popcorn anyone?

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On Thu, 11 Jan 2007 17:56:29 +1100, Andy <nospam@no.no> scribbled
thusly:

>OzOne wrote:
>> On Thu, 11 Jan 2007 07:51:08 +1100, Andy <nospam@no.no> scribbled
>> thusly:
>>
>>>> Wait for series II Dan, seriously.
>>>
>>> Hmmm...out of interest, why's that Clocky?
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>>
>>> Andy. (t'other Andy.)
>>
>> I'll answer that for you Andy..the S1 is a POS full of faults and
>> bugs..
>
>
>Tell me what they are, and I might even think about believing you.
>
>Andy.

Ask Tick Tock...he's the expert on the bugs.


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still a 1000000% better than any holden
mmal380...@hotmail.com wrote:
> before 16000 on the odometer
> the speedo needle was flickering fixed by the dealer
> one morning the car went into perilously close not to starting after
> about 5 minutes churning a testament to the strength of the battery the
> engine caught and coughed for a second or two
>
> rattled for a few moments longer and then ran smoothly
> the starting problem went away for a while
>
> oil consumption started to get worrying the oil warning light came on
> for the first time the dip stick showed the level to be at the minimum
> mark
>
> the front passenger window refused to work on a few occations
>
> the dealer says the high oil consumption may have been caused by a
> faulty valve seal
>
> a new power window switch on the passenger side has been fitted
> for the next three weeks the oil consumption thirsty ways but not as
> bad as last time
>
> but other than that its been perfect

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<mmal380vrx@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> still a 1000000% better than any holden

Sounds like it.... NOT :)

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<OzOne> wrote in message news:4cl9q2ta0lr2te5uofglsaaj2ni3eiavmi@4ax.com...


>>
> No actually it's a 380 owner.......did you not that the oil useage has
> dropped off as the car runs in?
>
>
> Oz1...of the 3 twins.
>
> I welcome you to crackerbox palace,
> We've been expecting you.

380/Magna, same bloody thing, different badges.

And as I said if ANY car that I had bought used oil at ANY rate before
100,000kms it would be straight back to the dealer. And oil usage while
running in was really only when cars ran running in oils, now they use 10/50
or there about oil consumption should be exactly ZIP!.
If you believe that a car that's done only 16,000kms is normal, you've been
sucked in and you deserve to be a Mitsi Owner.

[Ext User(Noddy)]

<OzOne> wrote in message news:6ehbq2da0qbqs6q7uumokc03vhmpt3j3f3@4ax.com...

> Sorry Nod, but getting the dirt and dust out from under the trim
> strips will always help prevent rust..always has, always will.

Sure Oz, but perhaps you can explain how the rust causing crap magically
gets through the paint layer? :)

> Yes that'sright Nod..Here we are talking about the rust that starts
> from inside...the rust you have seen in 60's vintage cars.

Try '01 vintage cars.

Before I left to go on holidays I had the driver's door trim of a Rav4 that
belongs to one of the wife's work colleagues to fix a problematic window
regulator, and while I was doing so I noticed it already had a nice
speckering (tm) of brown spots coming through the primer on the lower inside
of the door skin.

A couple of years and it'll have holes large enough to pass golf balls
through.

> The best prevention here was and is to seal those areas when the car
> was new..fishoil was then one of the better substances to use.


Fishoil works, but it's *far* from brilliant. The problem with it is that
once applied it doesn't last very long, as is not a permanent solution.

By far the most effective way to prevent sheetmetal from rusting in any area
is to keep it dry, and cover it with anything waterproof. Up until very
recently the best thing to use in areas that weren't going to be painted was
the old tried and true bitumen type body deadener, but a ore recent product
that works *very* well indeed is a waterproof membraine product which is
used principally in the building industry to seal shower bases and the like.

It has superb adhesion characteristics, is rubber based which makes it
*very* flexible poreventing it from cracking as the vehicle moves, and is
totally inert with an infinite lifespan.

> And a lot to do with the careful cleaning ansd sealing of all those
> interior crevices...we are after all talking older cars.
> The lack of rust under the exterior trim is a direct result of careful
> cleaning.

Yeah, right.

Perhaps one day you'll explain how your cars are "special" and rust from the
outside in.

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"Andy" <nospam@no.no> wrote in message
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> Clockmeister wrote:
>> "Andy" <nospam@no.no> wrote in message
>> news:45a551bc$0$22058$5a62ac22@per-qv1-newsreader-01.iinet.net.au...
>>> Clockmeister wrote:
>>>> "Dan---" <silver8v92ta@2cyclediesel.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:pan.2007.01.10.08.35.06.513331@8v92...
>>>>> On Wed, 10 Jan 2007 19:12:15 +1100, Andy wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Dan--- wrote:
>>>>>>> On Wed, 10 Jan 2007 15:23:38 +1100, Andy wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Sounds like an absolute pile of shit. Good luck with that.
>>>>>>> Considering my Calais has over 50,000 click on it, it has been
>>>>>>> problem
>>>>>>> free. Not bad for a "lemon" :-p
>>>>>> Hell, my 5.0L Berlina has done 275,000 and still doesn't burn oil.
>>>>> Not planning to keep my VY Calais that long.
>>>>> Mrs is in my ear on getting a VE SSV. :-)
>>>>>
>>>> Wait for series II Dan, seriously.
>>>
>>> Hmmm...out of interest, why's that Clocky?
>>>
>>
>> By then the bugs will have been ironed out (there are quite a few though
>> none are serious) plus series II usually gets other improvements over
>> series I for the same money, or less.
>
>
> As long as the 'bugs' are minor things that are fixed under warranty I'm
> not too worried. The ex-other half has just organised an SS V series for
> just over $50K, so any chance I could squeeze more info out as to what
> bugs to look for?
>

Just ask the dealer to make sure that all the relevant reworks and recalls
applicable to that vehicle have been carried out and I don't mean the sales
gimp but the guy in charge of the PD department.

The relevant bugs are very dependant on production date, so mentioning all
of them here would be counter productive since most if not all would no
longer be applicable to a vehicle bought new today since they have already
been fixed in production.

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"Noddy" <dg4163@(nospam)dodo.com.au> wrote in message
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>
> "Dan---" <silver8v92ta@2cyclediesel.com> wrote in message
> news:pan.2007.01.10.19.27.48.231690@8v92...
>
>> Fuck if any of my cars had heavy oil consumption at 16,000 clicks I would
>> be getting an oil consumption test done.
>
> I'd have been unloading it *way* before then :)
>
> I had an XHII Ute that I bought new that leaked oil out of every seal it
> could (including the torque converter seal) for the first couple of weeks
> of it's life), but they eventually sealed effectively. It didn't burn any
> though, and nor should it have if it was "normal".
>
> It was a Ford though, so I was lucky :)


Doesnt that stand for "Fix Oil Repairs Daily" in your case?