Re: Sunrise: Environmental hypocrites.

[Ext User(Ozz)]

"TG'sFM" <suvvdj@yahoo.fr> wrote in message
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> On Feb 16, 8:04 pm, "HeadRush" <( . )( . )@(_!_).com> wrote:
>> "TG'sFM" <suv...@yahoo.fr> wrote in message
>>
>> news:1171616332.679330.34910@t69g2000cwt.googlegro ups.com...
>>
>>
>>
>> > On Feb 16, 6:46 pm, "HeadRush" <( . )( . )@(_!_).com> wrote:
>> >> "TG'sFM" <suv...@yahoo.fr> wrote in message
>>
>> >>news:1171613893.095363.251900@p10g2000cwp.googlegr oups.com...
>>
>> >> > On Feb 16, 6:00 pm, "HeadRush" <( . )( . )@(_!_).com> wrote:
>> >> >> They launched the V8 Supercar Championship series on Sunrise
>> >> >> yesterday.
>> >> >> It
>> >> >> was all about "the thundering V8s", "the roar of the big V8s", "the
>> >> >> excitement of the V8s shooting down the straight".
>>
>> >> >> Berretta's grin went from ear to ear as he showed off his V8
>> >> >> Supercar
>> >> >> driver's outfit with his own belt insignia. Later a beaming Kochie
>> >> >> appeared
>> >> >> also dressed in a V8 drivers outfit with "Kochie" emblazoned on his
>> >> >> belt.
>>
>> >> >> The whole show was pathetically dedicated to promoting the V8
>> >> >> Supercar
>> >> >> series because 7 have the broadcast rights.
>>
>> >> >> So what happened to the Sunrise Cool The Globe
>> >> >> initiative.?http://cooltheglobe.com/article?article=14"It would be
>> >> >> wrong
>> >> >> of Sunrise to
>> >> >> report on the consequences of global warming without ourselves
>> >> >> taking
>> >> >> steps
>> >> >> to fix it."
>>
>> >> >> From the V8 Supercars website, the estimated fuel consumption of
>> >> >> just
>> >> >> one
>> >> >> Holden Commodore over the 1,000Klm Bathurst race meet: - race
>> >> >> cars -
>> >> >> 3.6
>> >> >> litres per lap, 50 laps practice, 350km completed before start of
>> >> >> 161
>> >> >> lap
>> >> >> race - estimated consumption 759.6 litres per race car.
>>
>> >> >> There are 31 cars in the Supercar Series and for Bathurst, that's a
>> >> >> total
>> >> >> of
>> >> >> 23,560 litres of fuel burned into the atmosphere. <snip>
>>
>> >> > That's a very good argument, except for one thing. That 23.560
>> >> > litres
>> >> > of fuel doesn't get "burned into the atmosphere", it gets burned
>> >> > inside the engines. That's why they are called "internal combustion
>> >> > engines". In modern cars, (and certainly in V8 Supercars) there is
>> >> > absolutely NO unburned fuel, as that is what cataletic convertors
>> >> > are
>> >> > for - to trap and re-use any unburnt fuel that gets past the exhaust
>> >> > valves. What gases that does escape the exhaust is relatively
>> >> > harmless considering the small number of cars in such a big
>> >> > racetrack. You COULD argue about all the polution that the
>> >> > spectators
>> >> > vehicles are causing, but then you just can't pick on racing events,
>> >> > you'd have to also include (and presumably you'd want to ban) ANY
>> >> > event that draws a croud, including Sunday mass.
>>
>> >> WOW! You sure do know your stuff. I'd never heard of this 'cataletic'
>> >> convertor you talk of that traps and re-uses any unburnt fuel. I
>> >> really
>> >> should do more research before posting.
>>
>> > As should I, because I spelt it wrongly. But you see my point.
>> > Nowhere near the amount of fuel as you claim is burnt into the
>> > atmosphere. Hope that helps. And yes, it'd be swell if you did some
>> > research before posting in futurer.
>>
>> "Spelt it wrongly"? Oh, did you mean catalytic converter? Well, I'm
>> afraid
>> yet again, your post, like many before it, is not worth the ink it was
>> written in.
>>
>> V8 Supercars don't have to be equipped with catalytic converters. Please
>> refer to the the V8 Supercar Operations Manual, in the Division "C"
>> Technical Rules, section 8.9 - Exhaust Systems.
>>
>> 8.9.8 "All Cars must be fitted with effective mufflers which diminish the
>> sound of the engine exhaust so that the maximum exhaust noise does not
>> exceed 95dB(A) measured at 30 metres from the side of the track by
>> approved
>> measuring equipment."
>>
>> No mention of catalytic, or cataletic converters in the whole manual.
>
> I wouldn't expect there would be any mention of them, as they are an
> integral part of the engine. I assume they don't mention things like
> the tension settings of the forward conrod bolt to the 7th piston
> either. These things are set by the engine manufacturer to give the
> engine the ultimate in power and reliability. By removing the
> catalytic convertor, would be the same as removing the forward conrod
> bolt to the 7th piston - in other words, the engine would fail. You
> made the mistake of thinking that the catalytic convertor is part of
> the muffler system, which is what a lot of people wrongly think.
> (Yes, "wrongly" actually *IS* a real word - shakes head) Simply put,
> the catalytic convertor traps any unburnt fuel that passes the exhast
> valves, and injects it with oxygen which ignights it, pushing the
> vapours (and force) back into the inlet chamber, to in effect, getting
> more performance out of the engine. The exhast system STARTS at the
> outlet of the catalytic convertor. In v8 supercars, the catalytic
> convertor forms part of the exhast manifolds. Hope that helps. I
> really really do.
>
>

I'm posting this to aus.cars :-)

Noddy will have a field day with this. :-)

Oz

[Ext User(Andy)]

Ozz wrote:
>
> "TG'sFM" <suvvdj@yahoo.fr> wrote in message
> news:1171620883.367459.227590@v45g2000cwv.googlegr oups.com...
>> On Feb 16, 8:04 pm, "HeadRush" <( . )( . )@(_!_).com> wrote:
>>> "TG'sFM" <suv...@yahoo.fr> wrote in message
>>>
>>> news:1171616332.679330.34910@t69g2000cwt.googlegro ups.com...
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> > On Feb 16, 6:46 pm, "HeadRush" <( . )( . )@(_!_).com> wrote:
>>> >> "TG'sFM" <suv...@yahoo.fr> wrote in message
>>>
>>> >>news:1171613893.095363.251900@p10g2000cwp.googlegr oups.com...
>>>
>>> >> > On Feb 16, 6:00 pm, "HeadRush" <( . )( . )@(_!_).com> wrote:
>>> >> >> They launched the V8 Supercar Championship series on Sunrise
>>> >> >> yesterday.
>>> >> >> It
>>> >> >> was all about "the thundering V8s", "the roar of the big V8s",
>>> "the
>>> >> >> excitement of the V8s shooting down the straight".
>>>
>>> >> >> Berretta's grin went from ear to ear as he showed off his V8 >>
>>> >> Supercar
>>> >> >> driver's outfit with his own belt insignia. Later a beaming Kochie
>>> >> >> appeared
>>> >> >> also dressed in a V8 drivers outfit with "Kochie" emblazoned on
>>> his
>>> >> >> belt.
>>>
>>> >> >> The whole show was pathetically dedicated to promoting the V8
>>> >> >> Supercar
>>> >> >> series because 7 have the broadcast rights.
>>>
>>> >> >> So what happened to the Sunrise Cool The Globe
>>> >> >> initiative.?http://cooltheglobe.com/article?article=14"It would be
>>> >> >> wrong
>>> >> >> of Sunrise to
>>> >> >> report on the consequences of global warming without ourselves
>>> >> >> taking
>>> >> >> steps
>>> >> >> to fix it."
>>>
>>> >> >> From the V8 Supercars website, the estimated fuel consumption
>>> of >> >> just
>>> >> >> one
>>> >> >> Holden Commodore over the 1,000Klm Bathurst race meet: - race
>>> >> >> cars -
>>> >> >> 3.6
>>> >> >> litres per lap, 50 laps practice, 350km completed before start
>>> of >> >> 161
>>> >> >> lap
>>> >> >> race - estimated consumption 759.6 litres per race car.
>>>
>>> >> >> There are 31 cars in the Supercar Series and for Bathurst,
>>> that's a
>>> >> >> total
>>> >> >> of
>>> >> >> 23,560 litres of fuel burned into the atmosphere. <snip>
>>>
>>> >> > That's a very good argument, except for one thing. That 23.560
>>> >> > litres
>>> >> > of fuel doesn't get "burned into the atmosphere", it gets burned
>>> >> > inside the engines. That's why they are called "internal
>>> combustion
>>> >> > engines". In modern cars, (and certainly in V8 Supercars) there is
>>> >> > absolutely NO unburned fuel, as that is what cataletic
>>> convertors >> > are
>>> >> > for - to trap and re-use any unburnt fuel that gets past the
>>> exhaust
>>> >> > valves. What gases that does escape the exhaust is relatively
>>> >> > harmless considering the small number of cars in such a big
>>> >> > racetrack. You COULD argue about all the polution that the >> >
>>> spectators
>>> >> > vehicles are causing, but then you just can't pick on racing
>>> events,
>>> >> > you'd have to also include (and presumably you'd want to ban) ANY
>>> >> > event that draws a croud, including Sunday mass.
>>>
>>> >> WOW! You sure do know your stuff. I'd never heard of this 'cataletic'
>>> >> convertor you talk of that traps and re-uses any unburnt fuel. I
>>> >> really
>>> >> should do more research before posting.
>>>
>>> > As should I, because I spelt it wrongly. But you see my point.
>>> > Nowhere near the amount of fuel as you claim is burnt into the
>>> > atmosphere. Hope that helps. And yes, it'd be swell if you did some
>>> > research before posting in futurer.
>>>
>>> "Spelt it wrongly"? Oh, did you mean catalytic converter? Well, I'm
>>> afraid
>>> yet again, your post, like many before it, is not worth the ink it was
>>> written in.
>>>
>>> V8 Supercars don't have to be equipped with catalytic converters. Please
>>> refer to the the V8 Supercar Operations Manual, in the Division "C"
>>> Technical Rules, section 8.9 - Exhaust Systems.
>>>
>>> 8.9.8 "All Cars must be fitted with effective mufflers which diminish
>>> the
>>> sound of the engine exhaust so that the maximum exhaust noise does not
>>> exceed 95dB(A) measured at 30 metres from the side of the track by
>>> approved
>>> measuring equipment."
>>>
>>> No mention of catalytic, or cataletic converters in the whole manual.
>>
>> I wouldn't expect there would be any mention of them, as they are an
>> integral part of the engine. I assume they don't mention things like
>> the tension settings of the forward conrod bolt to the 7th piston
>> either. These things are set by the engine manufacturer to give the
>> engine the ultimate in power and reliability. By removing the
>> catalytic convertor, would be the same as removing the forward conrod
>> bolt to the 7th piston - in other words, the engine would fail. You
>> made the mistake of thinking that the catalytic convertor is part of
>> the muffler system, which is what a lot of people wrongly think.
>> (Yes, "wrongly" actually *IS* a real word - shakes head) Simply put,
>> the catalytic convertor traps any unburnt fuel that passes the exhast
>> valves, and injects it with oxygen which ignights it, pushing the
>> vapours (and force) back into the inlet chamber, to in effect, getting
>> more performance out of the engine. The exhast system STARTS at the
>> outlet of the catalytic convertor. In v8 supercars, the catalytic
>> convertor forms part of the exhast manifolds. Hope that helps. I
>> really really do.
>>
>>
>
> I'm posting this to aus.cars :-)
>
> Noddy will have a field day with this. :-)
>
> Oz


Truly, truly brilliant trolling.

(And only the one bite so far?)

Cheers,

Andy. (t'other Andy.)

[Ext User(TG'sFM)]

On Feb 17, 9:33 am, Andy <nos...@no.no> wrote:
> Ozz wrote:
>
> > "TG'sFM" <suv...@yahoo.fr> wrote in message
> >news:1171620883.367459.227590@v45g2000cwv.googlegr oups.com...
> >> On Feb 16, 8:04 pm, "HeadRush" <( . )( . )@(_!_).com> wrote:
> >>> "TG'sFM" <suv...@yahoo.fr> wrote in message
>
> >>>news:1171616332.679330.34910@t69g2000cwt.googlegro ups.com...
>
> >>> > On Feb 16, 6:46 pm, "HeadRush" <( . )( . )@(_!_).com> wrote:
> >>> >> "TG'sFM" <suv...@yahoo.fr> wrote in message
>
> >>> >>news:1171613893.095363.251900@p10g2000cwp.googlegr oups.com...
>
> >>> >> > On Feb 16, 6:00 pm, "HeadRush" <( . )( . )@(_!_).com> wrote:
> >>> >> >> They launched the V8 Supercar Championship series on Sunrise
> >>> >> >> yesterday.
> >>> >> >> It
> >>> >> >> was all about "the thundering V8s", "the roar of the big V8s",
> >>> "the
> >>> >> >> excitement of the V8s shooting down the straight".
>
> >>> >> >> Berretta's grin went from ear to ear as he showed off his V8 >>
> >>> >> Supercar
> >>> >> >> driver's outfit with his own belt insignia. Later a beaming Kochie
> >>> >> >> appeared
> >>> >> >> also dressed in a V8 drivers outfit with "Kochie" emblazoned on
> >>> his
> >>> >> >> belt.
>
> >>> >> >> The whole show was pathetically dedicated to promoting the V8
> >>> >> >> Supercar
> >>> >> >> series because 7 have the broadcast rights.
>
> >>> >> >> So what happened to the Sunrise Cool The Globe
> >>> >> >> initiative.?http://cooltheglobe.com/article?article=14"It would be
> >>> >> >> wrong
> >>> >> >> of Sunrise to
> >>> >> >> report on the consequences of global warming without ourselves
> >>> >> >> taking
> >>> >> >> steps
> >>> >> >> to fix it."
>
> >>> >> >> From the V8 Supercars website, the estimated fuel consumption
> >>> of >> >> just
> >>> >> >> one
> >>> >> >> Holden Commodore over the 1,000Klm Bathurst race meet: - race
> >>> >> >> cars -
> >>> >> >> 3.6
> >>> >> >> litres per lap, 50 laps practice, 350km completed before start
> >>> of >> >> 161
> >>> >> >> lap
> >>> >> >> race - estimated consumption 759.6 litres per race car.
>
> >>> >> >> There are 31 cars in the Supercar Series and for Bathurst,
> >>> that's a
> >>> >> >> total
> >>> >> >> of
> >>> >> >> 23,560 litres of fuel burned into the atmosphere. <snip>
>
> >>> >> > That's a very good argument, except for one thing. That 23.560
> >>> >> > litres
> >>> >> > of fuel doesn't get "burned into the atmosphere", it gets burned
> >>> >> > inside the engines. That's why they are called "internal
> >>> combustion
> >>> >> > engines". In modern cars, (and certainly in V8 Supercars) there is
> >>> >> > absolutely NO unburned fuel, as that is what cataletic
> >>> convertors >> > are
> >>> >> > for - to trap and re-use any unburnt fuel that gets past the
> >>> exhaust
> >>> >> > valves. What gases that does escape the exhaust is relatively
> >>> >> > harmless considering the small number of cars in such a big
> >>> >> > racetrack. You COULD argue about all the polution that the >> >
> >>> spectators
> >>> >> > vehicles are causing, but then you just can't pick on racing
> >>> events,
> >>> >> > you'd have to also include (and presumably you'd want to ban) ANY
> >>> >> > event that draws a croud, including Sunday mass.
>
> >>> >> WOW! You sure do know your stuff. I'd never heard of this 'cataletic'
> >>> >> convertor you talk of that traps and re-uses any unburnt fuel. I
> >>> >> really
> >>> >> should do more research before posting.
>
> >>> > As should I, because I spelt it wrongly. But you see my point.
> >>> > Nowhere near the amount of fuel as you claim is burnt into the
> >>> > atmosphere. Hope that helps. And yes, it'd be swell if you did some
> >>> > research before posting in futurer.
>
> >>> "Spelt it wrongly"? Oh, did you mean catalytic converter? Well, I'm
> >>> afraid
> >>> yet again, your post, like many before it, is not worth the ink it was
> >>> written in.
>
> >>> V8 Supercars don't have to be equipped with catalytic converters. Please
> >>> refer to the the V8 Supercar Operations Manual, in the Division "C"
> >>> Technical Rules, section 8.9 - Exhaust Systems.
>
> >>> 8.9.8 "All Cars must be fitted with effective mufflers which diminish
> >>> the
> >>> sound of the engine exhaust so that the maximum exhaust noise does not
> >>> exceed 95dB(A) measured at 30 metres from the side of the track by
> >>> approved
> >>> measuring equipment."
>
> >>> No mention of catalytic, or cataletic converters in the whole manual.
>
> >> I wouldn't expect there would be any mention of them, as they are an
> >> integral part of the engine. I assume they don't mention things like
> >> the tension settings of the forward conrod bolt to the 7th piston
> >> either. These things are set by the engine manufacturer to give the
> >> engine the ultimate in power and reliability. By removing the
> >> catalytic convertor, would be the same as removing the forward conrod
> >> bolt to the 7th piston - in other words, the engine would fail. You
> >> made the mistake of thinking that the catalytic convertor is part of
> >> the muffler system, which is what a lot of people wrongly think.
> >> (Yes, "wrongly" actually *IS* a real word - shakes head) Simply put,
> >> the catalytic convertor traps any unburnt fuel that passes the exhast
> >> valves, and injects it with oxygen which ignights it, pushing the
> >> vapours (and force) back into the inlet chamber, to in effect, getting
> >> more performance out of the engine. The exhast system STARTS at the
> >> outlet of the catalytic convertor. In v8 supercars, the catalytic
> >> convertor forms part of the exhast manifolds. Hope that helps. I
> >> really really do.
>
> > I'm posting this to aus.cars :-)
>
> > Noddy will have a field day with this. :-)
>
> > Oz
>
> Truly, truly brilliant trolling.

The people of Usenet never cease to amaze me with their gullibility.
Until yesterday afternoon, I couldn't tell you what a V8 Supercar was,
let alone a catalytic convertor or a conrod bolt. Yet all I had to do
was perform a simple 5 minute google search, to read up and reply with
terms like exhaust valves and internal combustion engines,and for some
reason suddenly I'm an expert worthy of several replies wanting to
debate me. And then by the next day, people have downloaded and read
the entire V8 Supercar technical specifications, and are quoting
sections verbatum to try (unsuccessfully) to prove what I typed was
wrong. And presumably, these are people who live and breathe V8
Supercars. This goes a long way to prove the lack of intelligence
level of V8 Supercar fans.

[Ext User(Ozz)]

"Andy" <nospam@no.no> wrote in message
news:45d63f4a$0$24728$5a62ac22@per-qv1-newsreader-01.iinet.net.au...
> Ozz wrote:
>>
>> "TG'sFM" <suvvdj@yahoo.fr> wrote in message
>> news:1171620883.367459.227590@v45g2000cwv.googlegr oups.com...
>>> On Feb 16, 8:04 pm, "HeadRush" <( . )( . )@(_!_).com> wrote:
>>>> "TG'sFM" <suv...@yahoo.fr> wrote in message
>>>>
>>>> news:1171616332.679330.34910@t69g2000cwt.googlegro ups.com...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> > On Feb 16, 6:46 pm, "HeadRush" <( . )( . )@(_!_).com> wrote:
>>>> >> "TG'sFM" <suv...@yahoo.fr> wrote in message
>>>>
>>>> >>news:1171613893.095363.251900@p10g2000cwp.googlegr oups.com...
>>>>
>>>> >> > On Feb 16, 6:00 pm, "HeadRush" <( . )( . )@(_!_).com> wrote:
>>>> >> >> They launched the V8 Supercar Championship series on Sunrise
>>>> >> >> yesterday.
>>>> >> >> It
>>>> >> >> was all about "the thundering V8s", "the roar of the big V8s",
>>>> "the
>>>> >> >> excitement of the V8s shooting down the straight".
>>>>
>>>> >> >> Berretta's grin went from ear to ear as he showed off his V8 >>
>>>> >> Supercar
>>>> >> >> driver's outfit with his own belt insignia. Later a beaming
>>>> >> >> Kochie
>>>> >> >> appeared
>>>> >> >> also dressed in a V8 drivers outfit with "Kochie" emblazoned on
>>>> his
>>>> >> >> belt.
>>>>
>>>> >> >> The whole show was pathetically dedicated to promoting the V8
>>>> >> >> Supercar
>>>> >> >> series because 7 have the broadcast rights.
>>>>
>>>> >> >> So what happened to the Sunrise Cool The Globe
>>>> >> >> initiative.?http://cooltheglobe.com/article?article=14"It would
>>>> >> >> be
>>>> >> >> wrong
>>>> >> >> of Sunrise to
>>>> >> >> report on the consequences of global warming without ourselves
>>>> >> >> taking
>>>> >> >> steps
>>>> >> >> to fix it."
>>>>
>>>> >> >> From the V8 Supercars website, the estimated fuel consumption
>>>> of >> >> just
>>>> >> >> one
>>>> >> >> Holden Commodore over the 1,000Klm Bathurst race meet: - race
>>>> >> >> cars -
>>>> >> >> 3.6
>>>> >> >> litres per lap, 50 laps practice, 350km completed before start
>>>> of >> >> 161
>>>> >> >> lap
>>>> >> >> race - estimated consumption 759.6 litres per race car.
>>>>
>>>> >> >> There are 31 cars in the Supercar Series and for Bathurst,
>>>> that's a
>>>> >> >> total
>>>> >> >> of
>>>> >> >> 23,560 litres of fuel burned into the atmosphere. <snip>
>>>>
>>>> >> > That's a very good argument, except for one thing. That 23.560
>>>> >> > litres
>>>> >> > of fuel doesn't get "burned into the atmosphere", it gets burned
>>>> >> > inside the engines. That's why they are called "internal
>>>> combustion
>>>> >> > engines". In modern cars, (and certainly in V8 Supercars) there
>>>> >> > is
>>>> >> > absolutely NO unburned fuel, as that is what cataletic
>>>> convertors >> > are
>>>> >> > for - to trap and re-use any unburnt fuel that gets past the
>>>> exhaust
>>>> >> > valves. What gases that does escape the exhaust is relatively
>>>> >> > harmless considering the small number of cars in such a big
>>>> >> > racetrack. You COULD argue about all the polution that the >> >
>>>> spectators
>>>> >> > vehicles are causing, but then you just can't pick on racing
>>>> events,
>>>> >> > you'd have to also include (and presumably you'd want to ban) ANY
>>>> >> > event that draws a croud, including Sunday mass.
>>>>
>>>> >> WOW! You sure do know your stuff. I'd never heard of this
>>>> >> 'cataletic'
>>>> >> convertor you talk of that traps and re-uses any unburnt fuel. I
>>>> >> really
>>>> >> should do more research before posting.
>>>>
>>>> > As should I, because I spelt it wrongly. But you see my point.
>>>> > Nowhere near the amount of fuel as you claim is burnt into the
>>>> > atmosphere. Hope that helps. And yes, it'd be swell if you did some
>>>> > research before posting in futurer.
>>>>
>>>> "Spelt it wrongly"? Oh, did you mean catalytic converter? Well, I'm
>>>> afraid
>>>> yet again, your post, like many before it, is not worth the ink it was
>>>> written in.
>>>>
>>>> V8 Supercars don't have to be equipped with catalytic converters.
>>>> Please
>>>> refer to the the V8 Supercar Operations Manual, in the Division "C"
>>>> Technical Rules, section 8.9 - Exhaust Systems.
>>>>
>>>> 8.9.8 "All Cars must be fitted with effective mufflers which diminish
>>>> the
>>>> sound of the engine exhaust so that the maximum exhaust noise does not
>>>> exceed 95dB(A) measured at 30 metres from the side of the track by
>>>> approved
>>>> measuring equipment."
>>>>
>>>> No mention of catalytic, or cataletic converters in the whole manual.
>>>
>>> I wouldn't expect there would be any mention of them, as they are an
>>> integral part of the engine. I assume they don't mention things like
>>> the tension settings of the forward conrod bolt to the 7th piston
>>> either. These things are set by the engine manufacturer to give the
>>> engine the ultimate in power and reliability. By removing the
>>> catalytic convertor, would be the same as removing the forward conrod
>>> bolt to the 7th piston - in other words, the engine would fail. You
>>> made the mistake of thinking that the catalytic convertor is part of
>>> the muffler system, which is what a lot of people wrongly think.
>>> (Yes, "wrongly" actually *IS* a real word - shakes head) Simply put,
>>> the catalytic convertor traps any unburnt fuel that passes the exhast
>>> valves, and injects it with oxygen which ignights it, pushing the
>>> vapours (and force) back into the inlet chamber, to in effect, getting
>>> more performance out of the engine. The exhast system STARTS at the
>>> outlet of the catalytic convertor. In v8 supercars, the catalytic
>>> convertor forms part of the exhast manifolds. Hope that helps. I
>>> really really do.
>>>
>>>
>>
>> I'm posting this to aus.cars :-)
>>
>> Noddy will have a field day with this. :-)
>>
>> Oz
>
>
> Truly, truly brilliant trolling.
>
> (And only the one bite so far?)
>
> Cheers,
>
> Andy. (t'other Andy.)

Thank you, thank you.
I have been learning at the feet of the master TG'sFM :-)

plus I know my limitations so I put this here for the much wiser and more
knowledgeable users of aus.cars to debate :-)

Oz

[Ext User(Ozz)]

"TG'sFM" <suvvdj@yahoo.fr> wrote in message
news:1171671142.196941.254120@j27g2000cwj.googlegr oups.com...
> On Feb 17, 9:33 am, Andy <nos...@no.no> wrote:
>> Ozz wrote:
>>
>> > "TG'sFM" <suv...@yahoo.fr> wrote in message
>> >news:1171620883.367459.227590@v45g2000cwv.googlegr oups.com...
>> >> On Feb 16, 8:04 pm, "HeadRush" <( . )( . )@(_!_).com> wrote:
>> >>> "TG'sFM" <suv...@yahoo.fr> wrote in message
>>
>> >>>news:1171616332.679330.34910@t69g2000cwt.googlegro ups.com...
>>
>> >>> > On Feb 16, 6:46 pm, "HeadRush" <( . )( . )@(_!_).com> wrote:
>> >>> >> "TG'sFM" <suv...@yahoo.fr> wrote in message
>>
>> >>> >>news:1171613893.095363.251900@p10g2000cwp.googlegr oups.com...
>>
>> >>> >> > On Feb 16, 6:00 pm, "HeadRush" <( . )( . )@(_!_).com> wrote:
>> >>> >> >> They launched the V8 Supercar Championship series on Sunrise
>> >>> >> >> yesterday.
>> >>> >> >> It
>> >>> >> >> was all about "the thundering V8s", "the roar of the big V8s",
>> >>> "the
>> >>> >> >> excitement of the V8s shooting down the straight".
>>
>> >>> >> >> Berretta's grin went from ear to ear as he showed off his V8 >>
>> >>> >> Supercar
>> >>> >> >> driver's outfit with his own belt insignia. Later a beaming
>> >>> >> >> Kochie
>> >>> >> >> appeared
>> >>> >> >> also dressed in a V8 drivers outfit with "Kochie" emblazoned on
>> >>> his
>> >>> >> >> belt.
>>
>> >>> >> >> The whole show was pathetically dedicated to promoting the V8
>> >>> >> >> Supercar
>> >>> >> >> series because 7 have the broadcast rights.
>>
>> >>> >> >> So what happened to the Sunrise Cool The Globe
>> >>> >> >> initiative.?http://cooltheglobe.com/article?article=14"It would
>> >>> >> >> be
>> >>> >> >> wrong
>> >>> >> >> of Sunrise to
>> >>> >> >> report on the consequences of global warming without ourselves
>> >>> >> >> taking
>> >>> >> >> steps
>> >>> >> >> to fix it."
>>
>> >>> >> >> From the V8 Supercars website, the estimated fuel consumption
>> >>> of >> >> just
>> >>> >> >> one
>> >>> >> >> Holden Commodore over the 1,000Klm Bathurst race meet: - race
>> >>> >> >> cars -
>> >>> >> >> 3.6
>> >>> >> >> litres per lap, 50 laps practice, 350km completed before start
>> >>> of >> >> 161
>> >>> >> >> lap
>> >>> >> >> race - estimated consumption 759.6 litres per race car.
>>
>> >>> >> >> There are 31 cars in the Supercar Series and for Bathurst,
>> >>> that's a
>> >>> >> >> total
>> >>> >> >> of
>> >>> >> >> 23,560 litres of fuel burned into the atmosphere. <snip>
>>
>> >>> >> > That's a very good argument, except for one thing. That 23.560
>> >>> >> > litres
>> >>> >> > of fuel doesn't get "burned into the atmosphere", it gets burned
>> >>> >> > inside the engines. That's why they are called "internal
>> >>> combustion
>> >>> >> > engines". In modern cars, (and certainly in V8 Supercars) there
>> >>> >> > is
>> >>> >> > absolutely NO unburned fuel, as that is what cataletic
>> >>> convertors >> > are
>> >>> >> > for - to trap and re-use any unburnt fuel that gets past the
>> >>> exhaust
>> >>> >> > valves. What gases that does escape the exhaust is relatively
>> >>> >> > harmless considering the small number of cars in such a big
>> >>> >> > racetrack. You COULD argue about all the polution that the >> >
>> >>> spectators
>> >>> >> > vehicles are causing, but then you just can't pick on racing
>> >>> events,
>> >>> >> > you'd have to also include (and presumably you'd want to ban)
>> >>> >> > ANY
>> >>> >> > event that draws a croud, including Sunday mass.
>>
>> >>> >> WOW! You sure do know your stuff. I'd never heard of this
>> >>> >> 'cataletic'
>> >>> >> convertor you talk of that traps and re-uses any unburnt fuel. I
>> >>> >> really
>> >>> >> should do more research before posting.
>>
>> >>> > As should I, because I spelt it wrongly. But you see my point.
>> >>> > Nowhere near the amount of fuel as you claim is burnt into the
>> >>> > atmosphere. Hope that helps. And yes, it'd be swell if you did
>> >>> > some
>> >>> > research before posting in futurer.
>>
>> >>> "Spelt it wrongly"? Oh, did you mean catalytic converter? Well, I'm
>> >>> afraid
>> >>> yet again, your post, like many before it, is not worth the ink it
>> >>> was
>> >>> written in.
>>
>> >>> V8 Supercars don't have to be equipped with catalytic converters.
>> >>> Please
>> >>> refer to the the V8 Supercar Operations Manual, in the Division "C"
>> >>> Technical Rules, section 8.9 - Exhaust Systems.
>>
>> >>> 8.9.8 "All Cars must be fitted with effective mufflers which diminish
>> >>> the
>> >>> sound of the engine exhaust so that the maximum exhaust noise does
>> >>> not
>> >>> exceed 95dB(A) measured at 30 metres from the side of the track by
>> >>> approved
>> >>> measuring equipment."
>>
>> >>> No mention of catalytic, or cataletic converters in the whole manual.
>>
>> >> I wouldn't expect there would be any mention of them, as they are an
>> >> integral part of the engine. I assume they don't mention things like
>> >> the tension settings of the forward conrod bolt to the 7th piston
>> >> either. These things are set by the engine manufacturer to give the
>> >> engine the ultimate in power and reliability. By removing the
>> >> catalytic convertor, would be the same as removing the forward conrod
>> >> bolt to the 7th piston - in other words, the engine would fail. You
>> >> made the mistake of thinking that the catalytic convertor is part of
>> >> the muffler system, which is what a lot of people wrongly think.
>> >> (Yes, "wrongly" actually *IS* a real word - shakes head) Simply put,
>> >> the catalytic convertor traps any unburnt fuel that passes the exhast
>> >> valves, and injects it with oxygen which ignights it, pushing the
>> >> vapours (and force) back into the inlet chamber, to in effect, getting
>> >> more performance out of the engine. The exhast system STARTS at the
>> >> outlet of the catalytic convertor. In v8 supercars, the catalytic
>> >> convertor forms part of the exhast manifolds. Hope that helps. I
>> >> really really do.
>>
>> > I'm posting this to aus.cars :-)
>>
>> > Noddy will have a field day with this. :-)
>>
>> > Oz
>>
>> Truly, truly brilliant trolling.
>
> The people of Usenet never cease to amaze me with their gullibility.
> Until yesterday afternoon, I couldn't tell you what a V8 Supercar was,
> let alone a catalytic convertor or a conrod bolt. Yet all I had to do
> was perform a simple 5 minute google search, to read up and reply with
> terms like exhaust valves and internal combustion engines,and for some
> reason suddenly I'm an expert worthy of several replies wanting to
> debate me. And then by the next day, people have downloaded and read
> the entire V8 Supercar technical specifications, and are quoting
> sections verbatum to try (unsuccessfully) to prove what I typed was
> wrong. And presumably, these are people who live and breathe V8
> Supercars. This goes a long way to prove the lack of intelligence
> level of V8 Supercar fans.
>

Nice way to make fiends and influence people there TG'sFM :-)

It seems that your running scared as this is the first time I have seen you
admit to being nothing more than a troll, maybe your the one that should
think before you type in future :-)

Oz

[Ext User(TG'sFM)]

On Feb 17, 10:43 am, "Ozz" <O...@yellowbrickroad.com> wrote:
> "TG'sFM" <suv...@yahoo.fr> wrote in message
>
> news:1171671142.196941.254120@j27g2000cwj.googlegr oups.com...
>
>
>
> > On Feb 17, 9:33 am, Andy <nos...@no.no> wrote:
> >> Ozz wrote:
>
> >> > "TG'sFM" <suv...@yahoo.fr> wrote in message
> >> >news:1171620883.367459.227590@v45g2000cwv.googlegr oups.com...
> >> >> On Feb 16, 8:04 pm, "HeadRush" <( . )( . )@(_!_).com> wrote:
> >> >>> "TG'sFM" <suv...@yahoo.fr> wrote in message
>
> >> >>>news:1171616332.679330.34910@t69g2000cwt.googlegro ups.com...
>
> >> >>> > On Feb 16, 6:46 pm, "HeadRush" <( . )( . )@(_!_).com> wrote:
> >> >>> >> "TG'sFM" <suv...@yahoo.fr> wrote in message
>
> >> >>> >>news:1171613893.095363.251900@p10g2000cwp.googlegr oups.com...
>
> >> >>> >> > On Feb 16, 6:00 pm, "HeadRush" <( . )( . )@(_!_).com> wrote:
> >> >>> >> >> They launched the V8 Supercar Championship series on Sunrise
> >> >>> >> >> yesterday.
> >> >>> >> >> It
> >> >>> >> >> was all about "the thundering V8s", "the roar of the big V8s",
> >> >>> "the
> >> >>> >> >> excitement of the V8s shooting down the straight".
>
> >> >>> >> >> Berretta's grin went from ear to ear as he showed off his V8 >>
> >> >>> >> Supercar
> >> >>> >> >> driver's outfit with his own belt insignia. Later a beaming
> >> >>> >> >> Kochie
> >> >>> >> >> appeared
> >> >>> >> >> also dressed in a V8 drivers outfit with "Kochie" emblazoned on
> >> >>> his
> >> >>> >> >> belt.
>
> >> >>> >> >> The whole show was pathetically dedicated to promoting the V8
> >> >>> >> >> Supercar
> >> >>> >> >> series because 7 have the broadcast rights.
>
> >> >>> >> >> So what happened to the Sunrise Cool The Globe
> >> >>> >> >> initiative.?http://cooltheglobe.com/article?article=14"It would
> >> >>> >> >> be
> >> >>> >> >> wrong
> >> >>> >> >> of Sunrise to
> >> >>> >> >> report on the consequences of global warming without ourselves
> >> >>> >> >> taking
> >> >>> >> >> steps
> >> >>> >> >> to fix it."
>
> >> >>> >> >> From the V8 Supercars website, the estimated fuel consumption
> >> >>> of >> >> just
> >> >>> >> >> one
> >> >>> >> >> Holden Commodore over the 1,000Klm Bathurst race meet: - race
> >> >>> >> >> cars -
> >> >>> >> >> 3.6
> >> >>> >> >> litres per lap, 50 laps practice, 350km completed before start
> >> >>> of >> >> 161
> >> >>> >> >> lap
> >> >>> >> >> race - estimated consumption 759.6 litres per race car.
>
> >> >>> >> >> There are 31 cars in the Supercar Series and for Bathurst,
> >> >>> that's a
> >> >>> >> >> total
> >> >>> >> >> of
> >> >>> >> >> 23,560 litres of fuel burned into the atmosphere. <snip>
>
> >> >>> >> > That's a very good argument, except for one thing. That 23.560
> >> >>> >> > litres
> >> >>> >> > of fuel doesn't get "burned into the atmosphere", it gets burned
> >> >>> >> > inside the engines. That's why they are called "internal
> >> >>> combustion
> >> >>> >> > engines". In modern cars, (and certainly in V8 Supercars) there
> >> >>> >> > is
> >> >>> >> > absolutely NO unburned fuel, as that is what cataletic
> >> >>> convertors >> > are
> >> >>> >> > for - to trap and re-use any unburnt fuel that gets past the
> >> >>> exhaust
> >> >>> >> > valves. What gases that does escape the exhaust is relatively
> >> >>> >> > harmless considering the small number of cars in such a big
> >> >>> >> > racetrack. You COULD argue about all the polution that the >> >
> >> >>> spectators
> >> >>> >> > vehicles are causing, but then you just can't pick on racing
> >> >>> events,
> >> >>> >> > you'd have to also include (and presumably you'd want to ban)
> >> >>> >> > ANY
> >> >>> >> > event that draws a croud, including Sunday mass.
>
> >> >>> >> WOW! You sure do know your stuff. I'd never heard of this
> >> >>> >> 'cataletic'
> >> >>> >> convertor you talk of that traps and re-uses any unburnt fuel. I
> >> >>> >> really
> >> >>> >> should do more research before posting.
>
> >> >>> > As should I, because I spelt it wrongly. But you see my point.
> >> >>> > Nowhere near the amount of fuel as you claim is burnt into the
> >> >>> > atmosphere. Hope that helps. And yes, it'd be swell if you did
> >> >>> > some
> >> >>> > research before posting in futurer.
>
> >> >>> "Spelt it wrongly"? Oh, did you mean catalytic converter? Well, I'm
> >> >>> afraid
> >> >>> yet again, your post, like many before it, is not worth the ink it
> >> >>> was
> >> >>> written in.
>
> >> >>> V8 Supercars don't have to be equipped with catalytic converters.
> >> >>> Please
> >> >>> refer to the the V8 Supercar Operations Manual, in the Division "C"
> >> >>> Technical Rules, section 8.9 - Exhaust Systems.
>
> >> >>> 8.9.8 "All Cars must be fitted with effective mufflers which diminish
> >> >>> the
> >> >>> sound of the engine exhaust so that the maximum exhaust noise does
> >> >>> not
> >> >>> exceed 95dB(A) measured at 30 metres from the side of the track by
> >> >>> approved
> >> >>> measuring equipment."
>
> >> >>> No mention of catalytic, or cataletic converters in the whole manual.
>
> >> >> I wouldn't expect there would be any mention of them, as they are an
> >> >> integral part of the engine. I assume they don't mention things like
> >> >> the tension settings of the forward conrod bolt to the 7th piston
> >> >> either. These things are set by the engine manufacturer to give the
> >> >> engine the ultimate in power and reliability. By removing the
> >> >> catalytic convertor, would be the same as removing the forward conrod
> >> >> bolt to the 7th piston - in other words, the engine would fail. You
> >> >> made the mistake of thinking that the catalytic convertor is part of
> >> >> the muffler system, which is what a lot of people wrongly think.
> >> >> (Yes, "wrongly" actually *IS* a real word - shakes head) Simply put,
> >> >> the catalytic convertor traps any unburnt fuel that passes the exhast
> >> >> valves, and injects it with oxygen which ignights it, pushing the
> >> >> vapours (and force) back into the inlet chamber, to in effect, getting
> >> >> more performance out of the engine. The exhast system STARTS at the
> >> >> outlet of the catalytic convertor. In v8 supercars, the catalytic
> >> >> convertor forms part of the exhast manifolds. Hope that helps. I
> >> >> really really do.
>
> >> > I'm posting this to aus.cars :-)
>
> >> > Noddy will have a field day with this. :-)
>
> >> > Oz
>
> >> Truly, truly brilliant trolling.
>
> > The people of Usenet never cease to amaze me with their gullibility.
> > Until yesterday afternoon, I couldn't tell you what a V8 Supercar was,
> > let alone a catalytic convertor or a conrod bolt. Yet all I had to do
> > was perform a simple 5 minute google search, to read up and reply with
> > terms like exhaust valves and internal combustion engines,and for some
> > reason suddenly I'm an expert worthy of several replies wanting to
> > debate me. And then by the next day, people have downloaded and read
> > the entire V8 Supercar technical specifications, and are quoting
> > sections verbatum to try (unsuccessfully) to prove what I typed was
> > wrong. And presumably, these are people who live and breathe V8
> > Supercars. This goes a long way to prove the lack of intelligence
> > level of V8 Supercar fans.
>
> Nice way to make fiends and influence people there TG'sFM :-)
>
> It seems that your running scared as this is the first time I have seen you
> admit to being nothing more than a troll, maybe your the one that should
> think before you type in future :-)
>
> Oz


I've NEVER claimed to be anything moe than a troll. The problem
appears to be with people who think there is something wrong with
being a troll? And the ONLY reason that is, is because they lack the
skill and intelligence required to be a successful one. That is all.

[Ext User(Dave Kelett)]

"TG'sFM" <suvvdj@yahoo.fr> wrote in message
news:1171674178.570338.257560@a75g2000cwd.googlegr oups.com...
> On Feb 17, 10:43 am, "Ozz" <O...@yellowbrickroad.com> wrote:
>> "TG'sFM" <suv...@yahoo.fr> wrote in message
>>
>> news:1171671142.196941.254120@j27g2000cwj.googlegr oups.com...
>>
>>
>>
>> > On Feb 17, 9:33 am, Andy <nos...@no.no> wrote:
>> >> Ozz wrote:
>>
>> >> > "TG'sFM" <suv...@yahoo.fr> wrote in message
>> >> >news:1171620883.367459.227590@v45g2000cwv.googlegr oups.com...
>> >> >> On Feb 16, 8:04 pm, "HeadRush" <( . )( . )@(_!_).com> wrote:
>> >> >>> "TG'sFM" <suv...@yahoo.fr> wrote in message
>>
>> >> >>>news:1171616332.679330.34910@t69g2000cwt.googlegro ups.com...
>>
>> >> >>> > On Feb 16, 6:46 pm, "HeadRush" <( . )( . )@(_!_).com> wrote:
>> >> >>> >> "TG'sFM" <suv...@yahoo.fr> wrote in message
>>
>> >> >>> >>news:1171613893.095363.251900@p10g2000cwp.googlegr oups.com...
>>
>> >> >>> >> > On Feb 16, 6:00 pm, "HeadRush" <( . )( . )@(_!_).com> wrote:
>> >> >>> >> >> They launched the V8 Supercar Championship series on Sunrise
>> >> >>> >> >> yesterday.
>> >> >>> >> >> It
>> >> >>> >> >> was all about "the thundering V8s", "the roar of the big
>> >> >>> >> >> V8s",
>> >> >>> "the
>> >> >>> >> >> excitement of the V8s shooting down the straight".
>>
>> >> >>> >> >> Berretta's grin went from ear to ear as he showed off his V8
>> >> >>> >> >> >>
>> >> >>> >> Supercar
>> >> >>> >> >> driver's outfit with his own belt insignia. Later a beaming
>> >> >>> >> >> Kochie
>> >> >>> >> >> appeared
>> >> >>> >> >> also dressed in a V8 drivers outfit with "Kochie" emblazoned
>> >> >>> >> >> on
>> >> >>> his
>> >> >>> >> >> belt.
>>
>> >> >>> >> >> The whole show was pathetically dedicated to promoting the
>> >> >>> >> >> V8
>> >> >>> >> >> Supercar
>> >> >>> >> >> series because 7 have the broadcast rights.
>>
>> >> >>> >> >> So what happened to the Sunrise Cool The Globe
>> >> >>> >> >> initiative.?http://cooltheglobe.com/article?article=14"It
>> >> >>> >> >> would
>> >> >>> >> >> be
>> >> >>> >> >> wrong
>> >> >>> >> >> of Sunrise to
>> >> >>> >> >> report on the consequences of global warming without
>> >> >>> >> >> ourselves
>> >> >>> >> >> taking
>> >> >>> >> >> steps
>> >> >>> >> >> to fix it."
>>
>> >> >>> >> >> From the V8 Supercars website, the estimated fuel
>> >> >>> >> >> consumption
>> >> >>> of >> >> just
>> >> >>> >> >> one
>> >> >>> >> >> Holden Commodore over the 1,000Klm Bathurst race meet: -
>> >> >>> >> >> race
>> >> >>> >> >> cars -
>> >> >>> >> >> 3.6
>> >> >>> >> >> litres per lap, 50 laps practice, 350km completed before
>> >> >>> >> >> start
>> >> >>> of >> >> 161
>> >> >>> >> >> lap
>> >> >>> >> >> race - estimated consumption 759.6 litres per race car.
>>
>> >> >>> >> >> There are 31 cars in the Supercar Series and for Bathurst,
>> >> >>> that's a
>> >> >>> >> >> total
>> >> >>> >> >> of
>> >> >>> >> >> 23,560 litres of fuel burned into the atmosphere. <snip>
>>
>> >> >>> >> > That's a very good argument, except for one thing. That
>> >> >>> >> > 23.560
>> >> >>> >> > litres
>> >> >>> >> > of fuel doesn't get "burned into the atmosphere", it gets
>> >> >>> >> > burned
>> >> >>> >> > inside the engines. That's why they are called "internal
>> >> >>> combustion
>> >> >>> >> > engines". In modern cars, (and certainly in V8 Supercars)
>> >> >>> >> > there
>> >> >>> >> > is
>> >> >>> >> > absolutely NO unburned fuel, as that is what cataletic
>> >> >>> convertors >> > are
>> >> >>> >> > for - to trap and re-use any unburnt fuel that gets past the
>> >> >>> exhaust
>> >> >>> >> > valves. What gases that does escape the exhaust is
>> >> >>> >> > relatively
>> >> >>> >> > harmless considering the small number of cars in such a big
>> >> >>> >> > racetrack. You COULD argue about all the polution that the
>> >> >>> >> > >> >
>> >> >>> spectators
>> >> >>> >> > vehicles are causing, but then you just can't pick on racing
>> >> >>> events,
>> >> >>> >> > you'd have to also include (and presumably you'd want to ban)
>> >> >>> >> > ANY
>> >> >>> >> > event that draws a croud, including Sunday mass.
>>
>> >> >>> >> WOW! You sure do know your stuff. I'd never heard of this
>> >> >>> >> 'cataletic'
>> >> >>> >> convertor you talk of that traps and re-uses any unburnt fuel.
>> >> >>> >> I
>> >> >>> >> really
>> >> >>> >> should do more research before posting.
>>
>> >> >>> > As should I, because I spelt it wrongly. But you see my point.
>> >> >>> > Nowhere near the amount of fuel as you claim is burnt into the
>> >> >>> > atmosphere. Hope that helps. And yes, it'd be swell if you did
>> >> >>> > some
>> >> >>> > research before posting in futurer.
>>
>> >> >>> "Spelt it wrongly"? Oh, did you mean catalytic converter? Well,
>> >> >>> I'm
>> >> >>> afraid
>> >> >>> yet again, your post, like many before it, is not worth the ink it
>> >> >>> was
>> >> >>> written in.
>>
>> >> >>> V8 Supercars don't have to be equipped with catalytic converters.
>> >> >>> Please
>> >> >>> refer to the the V8 Supercar Operations Manual, in the Division
>> >> >>> "C"
>> >> >>> Technical Rules, section 8.9 - Exhaust Systems.
>>
>> >> >>> 8.9.8 "All Cars must be fitted with effective mufflers which
>> >> >>> diminish
>> >> >>> the
>> >> >>> sound of the engine exhaust so that the maximum exhaust noise does
>> >> >>> not
>> >> >>> exceed 95dB(A) measured at 30 metres from the side of the track by
>> >> >>> approved
>> >> >>> measuring equipment."
>>
>> >> >>> No mention of catalytic, or cataletic converters in the whole
>> >> >>> manual.
>>
>> >> >> I wouldn't expect there would be any mention of them, as they are
>> >> >> an
>> >> >> integral part of the engine. I assume they don't mention things
>> >> >> like
>> >> >> the tension settings of the forward conrod bolt to the 7th piston
>> >> >> either. These things are set by the engine manufacturer to give
>> >> >> the
>> >> >> engine the ultimate in power and reliability. By removing the
>> >> >> catalytic convertor, would be the same as removing the forward
>> >> >> conrod
>> >> >> bolt to the 7th piston - in other words, the engine would fail.
>> >> >> You
>> >> >> made the mistake of thinking that the catalytic convertor is part
>> >> >> of
>> >> >> the muffler system, which is what a lot of people wrongly think.
>> >> >> (Yes, "wrongly" actually *IS* a real word - shakes head) Simply
>> >> >> put,
>> >> >> the catalytic convertor traps any unburnt fuel that passes the
>> >> >> exhast
>> >> >> valves, and injects it with oxygen which ignights it, pushing the
>> >> >> vapours (and force) back into the inlet chamber, to in effect,
>> >> >> getting
>> >> >> more performance out of the engine. The exhast system STARTS at
>> >> >> the
>> >> >> outlet of the catalytic convertor. In v8 supercars, the catalytic
>> >> >> convertor forms part of the exhast manifolds. Hope that helps. I
>> >> >> really really do.
>>
>> >> > I'm posting this to aus.cars :-)
>>
>> >> > Noddy will have a field day with this. :-)
>>
>> >> > Oz
>>
>> >> Truly, truly brilliant trolling.
>>
>> > The people of Usenet never cease to amaze me with their gullibility.
>> > Until yesterday afternoon, I couldn't tell you what a V8 Supercar was,
>> > let alone a catalytic convertor or a conrod bolt. Yet all I had to do
>> > was perform a simple 5 minute google search, to read up and reply with
>> > terms like exhaust valves and internal combustion engines,and for some
>> > reason suddenly I'm an expert worthy of several replies wanting to
>> > debate me. And then by the next day, people have downloaded and read
>> > the entire V8 Supercar technical specifications, and are quoting
>> > sections verbatum to try (unsuccessfully) to prove what I typed was
>> > wrong. And presumably, these are people who live and breathe V8
>> > Supercars. This goes a long way to prove the lack of intelligence
>> > level of V8 Supercar fans.
>>
>> Nice way to make fiends and influence people there TG'sFM :-)
>>
>> It seems that your running scared as this is the first time I have seen
>> you
>> admit to being nothing more than a troll, maybe your the one that should
>> think before you type in future :-)
>>
>> Oz
>
>
> I've NEVER claimed to be anything moe than a troll. The problem
> appears to be with people who think there is something wrong with
> being a troll? And the ONLY reason that is, is because they lack the
> skill and intelligence required to be a successful one. That is all.

Hi Moe.

[Ext User(TG'sFM)]

On Feb 17, 11:12 am, "Dave Kelett" <dkel...@kelett.org.au> wrote:
> "TG'sFM" <suv...@yahoo.fr> wrote in message
>
> news:1171674178.570338.257560@a75g2000cwd.googlegr oups.com...
>
>
>
> > On Feb 17, 10:43 am, "Ozz" <O...@yellowbrickroad.com> wrote:
> >> "TG'sFM" <suv...@yahoo.fr> wrote in message
>
> >>news:1171671142.196941.254120@j27g2000cwj.googlegr oups.com...
>
> >> > On Feb 17, 9:33 am, Andy <nos...@no.no> wrote:
> >> >> Ozz wrote:
>
> >> >> > "TG'sFM" <suv...@yahoo.fr> wrote in message
> >> >> >news:1171620883.367459.227590@v45g2000cwv.googlegr oups.com...
> >> >> >> On Feb 16, 8:04 pm, "HeadRush" <( . )( . )@(_!_).com> wrote:
> >> >> >>> "TG'sFM" <suv...@yahoo.fr> wrote in message
>
> >> >> >>>news:1171616332.679330.34910@t69g2000cwt.googlegro ups.com...
>
> >> >> >>> > On Feb 16, 6:46 pm, "HeadRush" <( . )( . )@(_!_).com> wrote:
> >> >> >>> >> "TG'sFM" <suv...@yahoo.fr> wrote in message
>
> >> >> >>> >>news:1171613893.095363.251900@p10g2000cwp.googlegr oups.com...
>
> >> >> >>> >> > On Feb 16, 6:00 pm, "HeadRush" <( . )( . )@(_!_).com> wrote:
> >> >> >>> >> >> They launched the V8 Supercar Championship series on Sunrise
> >> >> >>> >> >> yesterday.
> >> >> >>> >> >> It
> >> >> >>> >> >> was all about "the thundering V8s", "the roar of the big
> >> >> >>> >> >> V8s",
> >> >> >>> "the
> >> >> >>> >> >> excitement of the V8s shooting down the straight".
>
> >> >> >>> >> >> Berretta's grin went from ear to ear as he showed off his V8
>
> >> >> >>> >> Supercar
> >> >> >>> >> >> driver's outfit with his own belt insignia. Later a beaming
> >> >> >>> >> >> Kochie
> >> >> >>> >> >> appeared
> >> >> >>> >> >> also dressed in a V8 drivers outfit with "Kochie" emblazoned
> >> >> >>> >> >> on
> >> >> >>> his
> >> >> >>> >> >> belt.
>
> >> >> >>> >> >> The whole show was pathetically dedicated to promoting the
> >> >> >>> >> >> V8
> >> >> >>> >> >> Supercar
> >> >> >>> >> >> series because 7 have the broadcast rights.
>
> >> >> >>> >> >> So what happened to the Sunrise Cool The Globe
> >> >> >>> >> >> initiative.?http://cooltheglobe.com/article?article=14"It
> >> >> >>> >> >> would
> >> >> >>> >> >> be
> >> >> >>> >> >> wrong
> >> >> >>> >> >> of Sunrise to
> >> >> >>> >> >> report on the consequences of global warming without
> >> >> >>> >> >> ourselves
> >> >> >>> >> >> taking
> >> >> >>> >> >> steps
> >> >> >>> >> >> to fix it."
>
> >> >> >>> >> >> From the V8 Supercars website, the estimated fuel
> >> >> >>> >> >> consumption
> >> >> >>> of >> >> just
> >> >> >>> >> >> one
> >> >> >>> >> >> Holden Commodore over the 1,000Klm Bathurst race meet: -
> >> >> >>> >> >> race
> >> >> >>> >> >> cars -
> >> >> >>> >> >> 3.6
> >> >> >>> >> >> litres per lap, 50 laps practice, 350km completed before
> >> >> >>> >> >> start
> >> >> >>> of >> >> 161
> >> >> >>> >> >> lap
> >> >> >>> >> >> race - estimated consumption 759.6 litres per race car.
>
> >> >> >>> >> >> There are 31 cars in the Supercar Series and for Bathurst,
> >> >> >>> that's a
> >> >> >>> >> >> total
> >> >> >>> >> >> of
> >> >> >>> >> >> 23,560 litres of fuel burned into the atmosphere. <snip>
>
> >> >> >>> >> > That's a very good argument, except for one thing. That
> >> >> >>> >> > 23.560
> >> >> >>> >> > litres
> >> >> >>> >> > of fuel doesn't get "burned into the atmosphere", it gets
> >> >> >>> >> > burned
> >> >> >>> >> > inside the engines. That's why they are called "internal
> >> >> >>> combustion
> >> >> >>> >> > engines". In modern cars, (and certainly in V8 Supercars)
> >> >> >>> >> > there
> >> >> >>> >> > is
> >> >> >>> >> > absolutely NO unburned fuel, as that is what cataletic
> >> >> >>> convertors >> > are
> >> >> >>> >> > for - to trap and re-use any unburnt fuel that gets past the
> >> >> >>> exhaust
> >> >> >>> >> > valves. What gases that does escape the exhaust is
> >> >> >>> >> > relatively
> >> >> >>> >> > harmless considering the small number of cars in such a big
> >> >> >>> >> > racetrack. You COULD argue about all the polution that the
>
> >> >> >>> spectators
> >> >> >>> >> > vehicles are causing, but then you just can't pick on racing
> >> >> >>> events,
> >> >> >>> >> > you'd have to also include (and presumably you'd want to ban)
> >> >> >>> >> > ANY
> >> >> >>> >> > event that draws a croud, including Sunday mass.
>
> >> >> >>> >> WOW! You sure do know your stuff. I'd never heard of this
> >> >> >>> >> 'cataletic'
> >> >> >>> >> convertor you talk of that traps and re-uses any unburnt fuel.
> >> >> >>> >> I
> >> >> >>> >> really
> >> >> >>> >> should do more research before posting.
>
> >> >> >>> > As should I, because I spelt it wrongly. But you see my point.
> >> >> >>> > Nowhere near the amount of fuel as you claim is burnt into the
> >> >> >>> > atmosphere. Hope that helps. And yes, it'd be swell if you did
> >> >> >>> > some
> >> >> >>> > research before posting in futurer.
>
> >> >> >>> "Spelt it wrongly"? Oh, did you mean catalytic converter? Well,
> >> >> >>> I'm
> >> >> >>> afraid
> >> >> >>> yet again, your post, like many before it, is not worth the ink it
> >> >> >>> was
> >> >> >>> written in.
>
> >> >> >>> V8 Supercars don't have to be equipped with catalytic converters.
> >> >> >>> Please
> >> >> >>> refer to the the V8 Supercar Operations Manual, in the Division
> >> >> >>> "C"
> >> >> >>> Technical Rules, section 8.9 - Exhaust Systems.
>
> >> >> >>> 8.9.8 "All Cars must be fitted with effective mufflers which
> >> >> >>> diminish
> >> >> >>> the
> >> >> >>> sound of the engine exhaust so that the maximum exhaust noise does
> >> >> >>> not
> >> >> >>> exceed 95dB(A) measured at 30 metres from the side of the track by
> >> >> >>> approved
> >> >> >>> measuring equipment."
>
> >> >> >>> No mention of catalytic, or cataletic converters in the whole
> >> >> >>> manual.
>
> >> >> >> I wouldn't expect there would be any mention of them, as they are
> >> >> >> an
> >> >> >> integral part of the engine. I assume they don't mention things
> >> >> >> like
> >> >> >> the tension settings of the forward conrod bolt to the 7th piston
> >> >> >> either. These things are set by the engine manufacturer to give
> >> >> >> the
> >> >> >> engine the ultimate in power and reliability. By removing the
> >> >> >> catalytic convertor, would be the same as removing the forward
> >> >> >> conrod
> >> >> >> bolt to the 7th piston - in other words, the engine would fail.
> >> >> >> You
> >> >> >> made the mistake of thinking that the catalytic convertor is part
> >> >> >> of
> >> >> >> the muffler system, which is what a lot of people wrongly think.
> >> >> >> (Yes, "wrongly" actually *IS* a real word - shakes head) Simply
> >> >> >> put,
> >> >> >> the catalytic convertor traps any unburnt fuel that passes the
> >> >> >> exhast
> >> >> >> valves, and injects it with oxygen which ignights it, pushing the
> >> >> >> vapours (and force) back into the inlet chamber, to in effect,
> >> >> >> getting
> >> >> >> more performance out of the engine. The exhast system STARTS at
> >> >> >> the
> >> >> >> outlet of the catalytic convertor. In v8 supercars, the catalytic
> >> >> >> convertor forms part of the exhast manifolds. Hope that helps. I
> >> >> >> really really do.
>
> >> >> > I'm posting this to aus.cars :-)
>
> >> >> > Noddy will have a field day with this. :-)
>
> >> >> > Oz
>
> >> >> Truly, truly brilliant trolling.
>
> >> > The people of Usenet never cease to amaze me with their gullibility.
> >> > Until yesterday afternoon, I couldn't tell you what a V8 Supercar was,
> >> > let alone a catalytic convertor or a conrod bolt. Yet all I had to do
> >> > was perform a simple 5 minute google search, to read up and reply with
> >> > terms like exhaust valves and internal combustion engines,and for some
> >> > reason suddenly I'm an expert worthy of several replies wanting to
> >> > debate me. And then by the next day, people have downloaded and read
> >> > the entire V8 Supercar technical specifications, and are quoting
> >> > sections verbatum to try (unsuccessfully) to prove what I typed was
> >> > wrong. And presumably, these are people who live and breathe V8
> >> > Supercars. This goes a long way to prove the lack of intelligence
> >> > level of V8 Supercar fans.
>
> >> Nice way to make fiends and influence people there TG'sFM :-)
>
> >> It seems that your running scared as this is the first time I have seen
> >> you
> >> admit to being nothing more than a troll, maybe your the one that should
> >> think before you type in future :-)
>
> >> Oz
>
> > I've NEVER claimed to be anything moe than a troll. The problem
> > appears to be with people who think there is something wrong with
> > being a troll? And the ONLY reason that is, is because they lack the
> > skill and intelligence required to be a successful one. That is all.
>
> Hi Moe.


Hi Spot.
What these morons don't realise is that trolls are taking the piss out
of them because the ONLY thing in their life is a usenet newsgroup
discussing racing car exhaust systems. What a wonderful fullfilling
life they must have - NOT.

[Ext User(Dave Kelett)]

"TG'sFM" <suvvdj@yahoo.fr> wrote in message
news:1171675257.380317.175110@v45g2000cwv.googlegr oups.com...
> On Feb 17, 11:12 am, "Dave Kelett" <dkel...@kelett.org.au> wrote:
>> "TG'sFM" <suv...@yahoo.fr> wrote in message
>>
>> news:1171674178.570338.257560@a75g2000cwd.googlegr oups.com...
>>
>>
>>
>> > On Feb 17, 10:43 am, "Ozz" <O...@yellowbrickroad.com> wrote:
>> >> "TG'sFM" <suv...@yahoo.fr> wrote in message
>>
>> >>news:1171671142.196941.254120@j27g2000cwj.googlegr oups.com...
>>
>> >> > On Feb 17, 9:33 am, Andy <nos...@no.no> wrote:
>> >> >> Ozz wrote:
>>
>> >> >> > "TG'sFM" <suv...@yahoo.fr> wrote in message
>> >> >> >news:1171620883.367459.227590@v45g2000cwv.googlegr oups.com...
>> >> >> >> On Feb 16, 8:04 pm, "HeadRush" <( . )( . )@(_!_).com> wrote:
>> >> >> >>> "TG'sFM" <suv...@yahoo.fr> wrote in message
>>
>> >> >> >>>news:1171616332.679330.34910@t69g2000cwt.googlegro ups.com...
>>
>> >> >> >>> > On Feb 16, 6:46 pm, "HeadRush" <( . )( . )@(_!_).com> wrote:
>> >> >> >>> >> "TG'sFM" <suv...@yahoo.fr> wrote in message
>>
>> >> >> >>> >>news:1171613893.095363.251900@p10g2000cwp.googlegr oups.com...
>>
>> >> >> >>> >> > On Feb 16, 6:00 pm, "HeadRush" <( . )( . )@(_!_).com>
>> >> >> >>> >> > wrote:
>> >> >> >>> >> >> They launched the V8 Supercar Championship series on
>> >> >> >>> >> >> Sunrise
>> >> >> >>> >> >> yesterday.
>> >> >> >>> >> >> It
>> >> >> >>> >> >> was all about "the thundering V8s", "the roar of the big
>> >> >> >>> >> >> V8s",
>> >> >> >>> "the
>> >> >> >>> >> >> excitement of the V8s shooting down the straight".
>>
>> >> >> >>> >> >> Berretta's grin went from ear to ear as he showed off his
>> >> >> >>> >> >> V8
>>
>> >> >> >>> >> Supercar
>> >> >> >>> >> >> driver's outfit with his own belt insignia. Later a
>> >> >> >>> >> >> beaming
>> >> >> >>> >> >> Kochie
>> >> >> >>> >> >> appeared
>> >> >> >>> >> >> also dressed in a V8 drivers outfit with "Kochie"
>> >> >> >>> >> >> emblazoned
>> >> >> >>> >> >> on
>> >> >> >>> his
>> >> >> >>> >> >> belt.
>>
>> >> >> >>> >> >> The whole show was pathetically dedicated to promoting
>> >> >> >>> >> >> the
>> >> >> >>> >> >> V8
>> >> >> >>> >> >> Supercar
>> >> >> >>> >> >> series because 7 have the broadcast rights.
>>
>> >> >> >>> >> >> So what happened to the Sunrise Cool The Globe
>> >> >> >>> >> >> initiative.?http://cooltheglobe.com/article?article=14"It
>> >> >> >>> >> >> would
>> >> >> >>> >> >> be
>> >> >> >>> >> >> wrong
>> >> >> >>> >> >> of Sunrise to
>> >> >> >>> >> >> report on the consequences of global warming without
>> >> >> >>> >> >> ourselves
>> >> >> >>> >> >> taking
>> >> >> >>> >> >> steps
>> >> >> >>> >> >> to fix it."
>>
>> >> >> >>> >> >> From the V8 Supercars website, the estimated fuel
>> >> >> >>> >> >> consumption
>> >> >> >>> of >> >> just
>> >> >> >>> >> >> one
>> >> >> >>> >> >> Holden Commodore over the 1,000Klm Bathurst race meet: -
>> >> >> >>> >> >> race
>> >> >> >>> >> >> cars -
>> >> >> >>> >> >> 3.6
>> >> >> >>> >> >> litres per lap, 50 laps practice, 350km completed before
>> >> >> >>> >> >> start
>> >> >> >>> of >> >> 161
>> >> >> >>> >> >> lap
>> >> >> >>> >> >> race - estimated consumption 759.6 litres per race car.
>>
>> >> >> >>> >> >> There are 31 cars in the Supercar Series and for
>> >> >> >>> >> >> Bathurst,
>> >> >> >>> that's a
>> >> >> >>> >> >> total
>> >> >> >>> >> >> of
>> >> >> >>> >> >> 23,560 litres of fuel burned into the atmosphere. <snip>
>>
>> >> >> >>> >> > That's a very good argument, except for one thing. That
>> >> >> >>> >> > 23.560
>> >> >> >>> >> > litres
>> >> >> >>> >> > of fuel doesn't get "burned into the atmosphere", it gets
>> >> >> >>> >> > burned
>> >> >> >>> >> > inside the engines. That's why they are called "internal
>> >> >> >>> combustion
>> >> >> >>> >> > engines". In modern cars, (and certainly in V8 Supercars)
>> >> >> >>> >> > there
>> >> >> >>> >> > is
>> >> >> >>> >> > absolutely NO unburned fuel, as that is what cataletic
>> >> >> >>> convertors >> > are
>> >> >> >>> >> > for - to trap and re-use any unburnt fuel that gets past
>> >> >> >>> >> > the
>> >> >> >>> exhaust
>> >> >> >>> >> > valves. What gases that does escape the exhaust is
>> >> >> >>> >> > relatively
>> >> >> >>> >> > harmless considering the small number of cars in such a
>> >> >> >>> >> > big
>> >> >> >>> >> > racetrack. You COULD argue about all the polution that
>> >> >> >>> >> > the
>>
>> >> >> >>> spectators
>> >> >> >>> >> > vehicles are causing, but then you just can't pick on
>> >> >> >>> >> > racing
>> >> >> >>> events,
>> >> >> >>> >> > you'd have to also include (and presumably you'd want to
>> >> >> >>> >> > ban)
>> >> >> >>> >> > ANY
>> >> >> >>> >> > event that draws a croud, including Sunday mass.
>>
>> >> >> >>> >> WOW! You sure do know your stuff. I'd never heard of this
>> >> >> >>> >> 'cataletic'
>> >> >> >>> >> convertor you talk of that traps and re-uses any unburnt
>> >> >> >>> >> fuel.
>> >> >> >>> >> I
>> >> >> >>> >> really
>> >> >> >>> >> should do more research before posting.
>>
>> >> >> >>> > As should I, because I spelt it wrongly. But you see my
>> >> >> >>> > point.
>> >> >> >>> > Nowhere near the amount of fuel as you claim is burnt into
>> >> >> >>> > the
>> >> >> >>> > atmosphere. Hope that helps. And yes, it'd be swell if you
>> >> >> >>> > did
>> >> >> >>> > some
>> >> >> >>> > research before posting in futurer.
>>
>> >> >> >>> "Spelt it wrongly"? Oh, did you mean catalytic converter?
>> >> >> >>> Well,
>> >> >> >>> I'm
>> >> >> >>> afraid
>> >> >> >>> yet again, your post, like many before it, is not worth the ink
>> >> >> >>> it
>> >> >> >>> was
>> >> >> >>> written in.
>>
>> >> >> >>> V8 Supercars don't have to be equipped with catalytic
>> >> >> >>> converters.
>> >> >> >>> Please
>> >> >> >>> refer to the the V8 Supercar Operations Manual, in the Division
>> >> >> >>> "C"
>> >> >> >>> Technical Rules, section 8.9 - Exhaust Systems.
>>
>> >> >> >>> 8.9.8 "All Cars must be fitted with effective mufflers which
>> >> >> >>> diminish
>> >> >> >>> the
>> >> >> >>> sound of the engine exhaust so that the maximum exhaust noise
>> >> >> >>> does
>> >> >> >>> not
>> >> >> >>> exceed 95dB(A) measured at 30 metres from the side of the track
>> >> >> >>> by
>> >> >> >>> approved
>> >> >> >>> measuring equipment."
>>
>> >> >> >>> No mention of catalytic, or cataletic converters in the whole
>> >> >> >>> manual.
>>
>> >> >> >> I wouldn't expect there would be any mention of them, as they
>> >> >> >> are
>> >> >> >> an
>> >> >> >> integral part of the engine. I assume they don't mention things
>> >> >> >> like
>> >> >> >> the tension settings of the forward conrod bolt to the 7th
>> >> >> >> piston
>> >> >> >> either. These things are set by the engine manufacturer to give
>> >> >> >> the
>> >> >> >> engine the ultimate in power and reliability. By removing the
>> >> >> >> catalytic convertor, would be the same as removing the forward
>> >> >> >> conrod
>> >> >> >> bolt to the 7th piston - in other words, the engine would fail.
>> >> >> >> You
>> >> >> >> made the mistake of thinking that the catalytic convertor is
>> >> >> >> part
>> >> >> >> of
>> >> >> >> the muffler system, which is what a lot of people wrongly think.
>> >> >> >> (Yes, "wrongly" actually *IS* a real word - shakes head) Simply
>> >> >> >> put,
>> >> >> >> the catalytic convertor traps any unburnt fuel that passes the
>> >> >> >> exhast
>> >> >> >> valves, and injects it with oxygen which ignights it, pushing
>> >> >> >> the
>> >> >> >> vapours (and force) back into the inlet chamber, to in effect,
>> >> >> >> getting
>> >> >> >> more performance out of the engine. The exhast system STARTS at
>> >> >> >> the
>> >> >> >> outlet of the catalytic convertor. In v8 supercars, the
>> >> >> >> catalytic
>> >> >> >> convertor forms part of the exhast manifolds. Hope that helps.
>> >> >> >> I
>> >> >> >> really really do.
>>
>> >> >> > I'm posting this to aus.cars :-)
>>
>> >> >> > Noddy will have a field day with this. :-)
>>
>> >> >> > Oz
>>
>> >> >> Truly, truly brilliant trolling.
>>
>> >> > The people of Usenet never cease to amaze me with their gullibility.
>> >> > Until yesterday afternoon, I couldn't tell you what a V8 Supercar
>> >> > was,
>> >> > let alone a catalytic convertor or a conrod bolt. Yet all I had to
>> >> > do
>> >> > was perform a simple 5 minute google search, to read up and reply
>> >> > with
>> >> > terms like exhaust valves and internal combustion engines,and for
>> >> > some
>> >> > reason suddenly I'm an expert worthy of several replies wanting to
>> >> > debate me. And then by the next day, people have downloaded and
>> >> > read
>> >> > the entire V8 Supercar technical specifications, and are quoting
>> >> > sections verbatum to try (unsuccessfully) to prove what I typed was
>> >> > wrong. And presumably, these are people who live and breathe V8
>> >> > Supercars. This goes a long way to prove the lack of intelligence
>> >> > level of V8 Supercar fans.
>>
>> >> Nice way to make fiends and influence people there TG'sFM :-)
>>
>> >> It seems that your running scared as this is the first time I have
>> >> seen
>> >> you
>> >> admit to being nothing more than a troll, maybe your the one that
>> >> should
>> >> think before you type in future :-)
>>
>> >> Oz
>>
>> > I've NEVER claimed to be anything moe than a troll. The problem
>> > appears to be with people who think there is something wrong with
>> > being a troll? And the ONLY reason that is, is because they lack the
>> > skill and intelligence required to be a successful one. That is all.
>>
>> Hi Moe.
>
>
> Hi Spot.
> What these morons don't realise is that trolls are taking the piss out
> of them because the ONLY thing in their life is a usenet newsgroup
> discussing racing car exhaust systems. What a wonderful fullfilling
> life they must have - NOT.

I agree, Moe. Real men ride motorbikes.

[Ext User(HeadRush)]

"TG'sFM" <suvvdj@yahoo.fr> wrote in message
news:1171671142.196941.254120@j27g2000cwj.googlegr oups.com...
> On Feb 17, 9:33 am, Andy <nos...@no.no> wrote:
>> Ozz wrote:
>>
>> > "TG'sFM" <suv...@yahoo.fr> wrote in message
>> >news:1171620883.367459.227590@v45g2000cwv.googlegr oups.com...
>> >> On Feb 16, 8:04 pm, "HeadRush" <( . )( . )@(_!_).com> wrote:
>> >>> "TG'sFM" <suv...@yahoo.fr> wrote in message
>>
>> >>>news:1171616332.679330.34910@t69g2000cwt.googlegro ups.com...
>>
>> >>> > On Feb 16, 6:46 pm, "HeadRush" <( . )( . )@(_!_).com> wrote:
>> >>> >> "TG'sFM" <suv...@yahoo.fr> wrote in message
>>
>> >>> >>news:1171613893.095363.251900@p10g2000cwp.googlegr oups.com...
>>
>> >>> >> > On Feb 16, 6:00 pm, "HeadRush" <( . )( . )@(_!_).com> wrote:
>> >>> >> >> They launched the V8 Supercar Championship series on Sunrise
>> >>> >> >> yesterday.
>> >>> >> >> It
>> >>> >> >> was all about "the thundering V8s", "the roar of the big V8s",
>> >>> "the
>> >>> >> >> excitement of the V8s shooting down the straight".
>>
>> >>> >> >> Berretta's grin went from ear to ear as he showed off his V8 >>
>> >>> >> Supercar
>> >>> >> >> driver's outfit with his own belt insignia. Later a beaming
>> >>> >> >> Kochie
>> >>> >> >> appeared
>> >>> >> >> also dressed in a V8 drivers outfit with "Kochie" emblazoned on
>> >>> his
>> >>> >> >> belt.
>>
>> >>> >> >> The whole show was pathetically dedicated to promoting the V8
>> >>> >> >> Supercar
>> >>> >> >> series because 7 have the broadcast rights.
>>
>> >>> >> >> So what happened to the Sunrise Cool The Globe
>> >>> >> >> initiative.?http://cooltheglobe.com/article?article=14"It would
>> >>> >> >> be
>> >>> >> >> wrong
>> >>> >> >> of Sunrise to
>> >>> >> >> report on the consequences of global warming without ourselves
>> >>> >> >> taking
>> >>> >> >> steps
>> >>> >> >> to fix it."
>>
>> >>> >> >> From the V8 Supercars website, the estimated fuel consumption
>> >>> of >> >> just
>> >>> >> >> one
>> >>> >> >> Holden Commodore over the 1,000Klm Bathurst race meet: - race
>> >>> >> >> cars -
>> >>> >> >> 3.6
>> >>> >> >> litres per lap, 50 laps practice, 350km completed before start
>> >>> of >> >> 161
>> >>> >> >> lap
>> >>> >> >> race - estimated consumption 759.6 litres per race car.
>>
>> >>> >> >> There are 31 cars in the Supercar Series and for Bathurst,
>> >>> that's a
>> >>> >> >> total
>> >>> >> >> of
>> >>> >> >> 23,560 litres of fuel burned into the atmosphere. <snip>
>>
>> >>> >> > That's a very good argument, except for one thing. That 23.560
>> >>> >> > litres
>> >>> >> > of fuel doesn't get "burned into the atmosphere", it gets burned
>> >>> >> > inside the engines. That's why they are called "internal
>> >>> combustion
>> >>> >> > engines". In modern cars, (and certainly in V8 Supercars) there
>> >>> >> > is
>> >>> >> > absolutely NO unburned fuel, as that is what cataletic
>> >>> convertors >> > are
>> >>> >> > for - to trap and re-use any unburnt fuel that gets past the
>> >>> exhaust
>> >>> >> > valves. What gases that does escape the exhaust is relatively
>> >>> >> > harmless considering the small number of cars in such a big
>> >>> >> > racetrack. You COULD argue about all the polution that the >> >
>> >>> spectators
>> >>> >> > vehicles are causing, but then you just can't pick on racing
>> >>> events,
>> >>> >> > you'd have to also include (and presumably you'd want to ban)
>> >>> >> > ANY
>> >>> >> > event that draws a croud, including Sunday mass.
>>
>> >>> >> WOW! You sure do know your stuff. I'd never heard of this
>> >>> >> 'cataletic'
>> >>> >> convertor you talk of that traps and re-uses any unburnt fuel. I
>> >>> >> really
>> >>> >> should do more research before posting.
>>
>> >>> > As should I, because I spelt it wrongly. But you see my point.
>> >>> > Nowhere near the amount of fuel as you claim is burnt into the
>> >>> > atmosphere. Hope that helps. And yes, it'd be swell if you did
>> >>> > some
>> >>> > research before posting in futurer.
>>
>> >>> "Spelt it wrongly"? Oh, did you mean catalytic converter? Well, I'm
>> >>> afraid
>> >>> yet again, your post, like many before it, is not worth the ink it
>> >>> was
>> >>> written in.
>>
>> >>> V8 Supercars don't have to be equipped with catalytic converters.
>> >>> Please
>> >>> refer to the the V8 Supercar Operations Manual, in the Division "C"
>> >>> Technical Rules, section 8.9 - Exhaust Systems.
>>
>> >>> 8.9.8 "All Cars must be fitted with effective mufflers which diminish
>> >>> the
>> >>> sound of the engine exhaust so that the maximum exhaust noise does
>> >>> not
>> >>> exceed 95dB(A) measured at 30 metres from the side of the track by
>> >>> approved
>> >>> measuring equipment."
>>
>> >>> No mention of catalytic, or cataletic converters in the whole manual.
>>
>> >> I wouldn't expect there would be any mention of them, as they are an
>> >> integral part of the engine. I assume they don't mention things like
>> >> the tension settings of the forward conrod bolt to the 7th piston
>> >> either. These things are set by the engine manufacturer to give the
>> >> engine the ultimate in power and reliability. By removing the
>> >> catalytic convertor, would be the same as removing the forward conrod
>> >> bolt to the 7th piston - in other words, the engine would fail. You
>> >> made the mistake of thinking that the catalytic convertor is part of
>> >> the muffler system, which is what a lot of people wrongly think.
>> >> (Yes, "wrongly" actually *IS* a real word - shakes head) Simply put,
>> >> the catalytic convertor traps any unburnt fuel that passes the exhast
>> >> valves, and injects it with oxygen which ignights it, pushing the
>> >> vapours (and force) back into the inlet chamber, to in effect, getting
>> >> more performance out of the engine. The exhast system STARTS at the
>> >> outlet of the catalytic convertor. In v8 supercars, the catalytic
>> >> convertor forms part of the exhast manifolds. Hope that helps. I
>> >> really really do.
>>
>> > I'm posting this to aus.cars :-)
>>
>> > Noddy will have a field day with this. :-)
>>
>> > Oz
>>
>> Truly, truly brilliant trolling.
>
> The people of Usenet never cease to amaze me with their gullibility.
> Until yesterday afternoon, I couldn't tell you what a V8 Supercar was,
> let alone a catalytic convertor or a conrod bolt. Yet all I had to do
> was perform a simple 5 minute google search, to read up and reply with
> terms like exhaust valves and internal combustion engines,and for some
> reason suddenly I'm an expert worthy of several replies wanting to
> debate me. And then by the next day, people have downloaded and read
> the entire V8 Supercar technical specifications, and are quoting
> sections verbatum to try (unsuccessfully) to prove what I typed was
> wrong. And presumably, these are people who live and breathe V8
> Supercars. This goes a long way to prove the lack of intelligence
> level of V8 Supercar fans.

What you STILL don't realise is that I've egged your trolling on for years,
from your Oscar days to your 30 Day Old Meat days and to your present day
TG'sFM troll identity.

You're so gullible you don't see that.

HR

[Ext User(TG'sFM)]

On Feb 17, 12:41 pm, "HeadRush" <( . )( . )@(_!_).com> wrote:
> "TG'sFM" <suv...@yahoo.fr> wrote in message
>
> news:1171671142.196941.254120@j27g2000cwj.googlegr oups.com...
>
>
>
> > On Feb 17, 9:33 am, Andy <nos...@no.no> wrote:
> >> Ozz wrote:
>
> >> > "TG'sFM" <suv...@yahoo.fr> wrote in message
> >> >news:1171620883.367459.227590@v45g2000cwv.googlegr oups.com...
> >> >> On Feb 16, 8:04 pm, "HeadRush" <( . )( . )@(_!_).com> wrote:
> >> >>> "TG'sFM" <suv...@yahoo.fr> wrote in message
>
> >> >>>news:1171616332.679330.34910@t69g2000cwt.googlegro ups.com...
>
> >> >>> > On Feb 16, 6:46 pm, "HeadRush" <( . )( . )@(_!_).com> wrote:
> >> >>> >> "TG'sFM" <suv...@yahoo.fr> wrote in message
>
> >> >>> >>news:1171613893.095363.251900@p10g2000cwp.googlegr oups.com...
>
> >> >>> >> > On Feb 16, 6:00 pm, "HeadRush" <( . )( . )@(_!_).com> wrote:
> >> >>> >> >> They launched the V8 Supercar Championship series on Sunrise
> >> >>> >> >> yesterday.
> >> >>> >> >> It
> >> >>> >> >> was all about "the thundering V8s", "the roar of the big V8s",
> >> >>> "the
> >> >>> >> >> excitement of the V8s shooting down the straight".
>
> >> >>> >> >> Berretta's grin went from ear to ear as he showed off his V8 >>
> >> >>> >> Supercar
> >> >>> >> >> driver's outfit with his own belt insignia. Later a beaming
> >> >>> >> >> Kochie
> >> >>> >> >> appeared
> >> >>> >> >> also dressed in a V8 drivers outfit with "Kochie" emblazoned on
> >> >>> his
> >> >>> >> >> belt.
>
> >> >>> >> >> The whole show was pathetically dedicated to promoting the V8
> >> >>> >> >> Supercar
> >> >>> >> >> series because 7 have the broadcast rights.
>
> >> >>> >> >> So what happened to the Sunrise Cool The Globe
> >> >>> >> >> initiative.?http://cooltheglobe.com/article?article=14"It would
> >> >>> >> >> be
> >> >>> >> >> wrong
> >> >>> >> >> of Sunrise to
> >> >>> >> >> report on the consequences of global warming without ourselves
> >> >>> >> >> taking
> >> >>> >> >> steps
> >> >>> >> >> to fix it."
>
> >> >>> >> >> From the V8 Supercars website, the estimated fuel consumption
> >> >>> of >> >> just
> >> >>> >> >> one
> >> >>> >> >> Holden Commodore over the 1,000Klm Bathurst race meet: - race
> >> >>> >> >> cars -
> >> >>> >> >> 3.6
> >> >>> >> >> litres per lap, 50 laps practice, 350km completed before start
> >> >>> of >> >> 161
> >> >>> >> >> lap
> >> >>> >> >> race - estimated consumption 759.6 litres per race car.
>
> >> >>> >> >> There are 31 cars in the Supercar Series and for Bathurst,
> >> >>> that's a
> >> >>> >> >> total
> >> >>> >> >> of
> >> >>> >> >> 23,560 litres of fuel burned into the atmosphere. <snip>
>
> >> >>> >> > That's a very good argument, except for one thing. That 23.560
> >> >>> >> > litres
> >> >>> >> > of fuel doesn't get "burned into the atmosphere", it gets burned
> >> >>> >> > inside the engines. That's why they are called "internal
> >> >>> combustion
> >> >>> >> > engines". In modern cars, (and certainly in V8 Supercars) there
> >> >>> >> > is
> >> >>> >> > absolutely NO unburned fuel, as that is what cataletic
> >> >>> convertors >> > are
> >> >>> >> > for - to trap and re-use any unburnt fuel that gets past the
> >> >>> exhaust
> >> >>> >> > valves. What gases that does escape the exhaust is relatively
> >> >>> >> > harmless considering the small number of cars in such a big
> >> >>> >> > racetrack. You COULD argue about all the polution that the >> >
> >> >>> spectators
> >> >>> >> > vehicles are causing, but then you just can't pick on racing
> >> >>> events,
> >> >>> >> > you'd have to also include (and presumably you'd want to ban)
> >> >>> >> > ANY
> >> >>> >> > event that draws a croud, including Sunday mass.
>
> >> >>> >> WOW! You sure do know your stuff. I'd never heard of this
> >> >>> >> 'cataletic'
> >> >>> >> convertor you talk of that traps and re-uses any unburnt fuel. I
> >> >>> >> really
> >> >>> >> should do more research before posting.
>
> >> >>> > As should I, because I spelt it wrongly. But you see my point.
> >> >>> > Nowhere near the amount of fuel as you claim is burnt into the
> >> >>> > atmosphere. Hope that helps. And yes, it'd be swell if you did
> >> >>> > some
> >> >>> > research before posting in futurer.
>
> >> >>> "Spelt it wrongly"? Oh, did you mean catalytic converter? Well, I'm
> >> >>> afraid
> >> >>> yet again, your post, like many before it, is not worth the ink it
> >> >>> was
> >> >>> written in.
>
> >> >>> V8 Supercars don't have to be equipped with catalytic converters.
> >> >>> Please
> >> >>> refer to the the V8 Supercar Operations Manual, in the Division "C"
> >> >>> Technical Rules, section 8.9 - Exhaust Systems.
>
> >> >>> 8.9.8 "All Cars must be fitted with effective mufflers which diminish
> >> >>> the
> >> >>> sound of the engine exhaust so that the maximum exhaust noise does
> >> >>> not
> >> >>> exceed 95dB(A) measured at 30 metres from the side of the track by
> >> >>> approved
> >> >>> measuring equipment."
>
> >> >>> No mention of catalytic, or cataletic converters in the whole manual.
>
> >> >> I wouldn't expect there would be any mention of them, as they are an
> >> >> integral part of the engine. I assume they don't mention things like
> >> >> the tension settings of the forward conrod bolt to the 7th piston
> >> >> either. These things are set by the engine manufacturer to give the
> >> >> engine the ultimate in power and reliability. By removing the
> >> >> catalytic convertor, would be the same as removing the forward conrod
> >> >> bolt to the 7th piston - in other words, the engine would fail. You
> >> >> made the mistake of thinking that the catalytic convertor is part of
> >> >> the muffler system, which is what a lot of people wrongly think.
> >> >> (Yes, "wrongly" actually *IS* a real word - shakes head) Simply put,
> >> >> the catalytic convertor traps any unburnt fuel that passes the exhast
> >> >> valves, and injects it with oxygen which ignights it, pushing the
> >> >> vapours (and force) back into the inlet chamber, to in effect, getting
> >> >> more performance out of the engine. The exhast system STARTS at the
> >> >> outlet of the catalytic convertor. In v8 supercars, the catalytic
> >> >> convertor forms part of the exhast manifolds. Hope that helps. I
> >> >> really really do.
>
> >> > I'm posting this to aus.cars :-)
>
> >> > Noddy will have a field day with this. :-)
>
> >> > Oz
>
> >> Truly, truly brilliant trolling.
>
> > The people of Usenet never cease to amaze me with their gullibility.
> > Until yesterday afternoon, I couldn't tell you what a V8 Supercar was,
> > let alone a catalytic convertor or a conrod bolt. Yet all I had to do
> > was perform a simple 5 minute google search, to read up and reply with
> > terms like exhaust valves and internal combustion engines,and for some
> > reason suddenly I'm an expert worthy of several replies wanting to
> > debate me. And then by the next day, people have downloaded and read
> > the entire V8 Supercar technical specifications, and are quoting
> > sections verbatum to try (unsuccessfully) to prove what I typed was
> > wrong. And presumably, these are people who live and breathe V8
> > Supercars. This goes a long way to prove the lack of intelligence
> > level of V8 Supercar fans.
>
> What you STILL don't realise is that I've egged your trolling on for years,
> from your Oscar days to your 30 Day Old Meat days and to your present day
> TG'sFM troll identity.
>
> You're so gullible you don't see that.

Yes, yes I must be that gullible. Can you go back furtherer than the
Oscar days? That seems to be a grey area even for those who DO "get
it"?

[Ext User(HeadRush)]

"TG'sFM" <suvvdj@yahoo.fr> wrote in message
news:1171683249.666713.213240@a75g2000cwd.googlegr oups.com...
> On Feb 17, 12:41 pm, "HeadRush" <( . )( . )@(_!_).com> wrote:
>> "TG'sFM" <suv...@yahoo.fr> wrote in message
>>
>> news:1171671142.196941.254120@j27g2000cwj.googlegr oups.com...
>>
>>
>>
>> > On Feb 17, 9:33 am, Andy <nos...@no.no> wrote:
>> >> Ozz wrote:
>>
>> >> > "TG'sFM" <suv...@yahoo.fr> wrote in message
>> >> >news:1171620883.367459.227590@v45g2000cwv.googlegr oups.com...
>> >> >> On Feb 16, 8:04 pm, "HeadRush" <( . )( . )@(_!_).com> wrote:
>> >> >>> "TG'sFM" <suv...@yahoo.fr> wrote in message
>>
>> >> >>>news:1171616332.679330.34910@t69g2000cwt.googlegro ups.com...
>>
>> >> >>> > On Feb 16, 6:46 pm, "HeadRush" <( . )( . )@(_!_).com> wrote:
>> >> >>> >> "TG'sFM" <suv...@yahoo.fr> wrote in message
>>
>> >> >>> >>news:1171613893.095363.251900@p10g2000cwp.googlegr oups.com...
>>
>> >> >>> >> > On Feb 16, 6:00 pm, "HeadRush" <( . )( . )@(_!_).com> wrote:
>> >> >>> >> >> They launched the V8 Supercar Championship series on Sunrise
>> >> >>> >> >> yesterday.
>> >> >>> >> >> It
>> >> >>> >> >> was all about "the thundering V8s", "the roar of the big
>> >> >>> >> >> V8s",
>> >> >>> "the
>> >> >>> >> >> excitement of the V8s shooting down the straight".
>>
>> >> >>> >> >> Berretta's grin went from ear to ear as he showed off his V8
>> >> >>> >> >> >>
>> >> >>> >> Supercar
>> >> >>> >> >> driver's outfit with his own belt insignia. Later a beaming
>> >> >>> >> >> Kochie
>> >> >>> >> >> appeared
>> >> >>> >> >> also dressed in a V8 drivers outfit with "Kochie" emblazoned
>> >> >>> >> >> on
>> >> >>> his
>> >> >>> >> >> belt.
>>
>> >> >>> >> >> The whole show was pathetically dedicated to promoting the
>> >> >>> >> >> V8
>> >> >>> >> >> Supercar
>> >> >>> >> >> series because 7 have the broadcast rights.
>>
>> >> >>> >> >> So what happened to the Sunrise Cool The Globe
>> >> >>> >> >> initiative.?http://cooltheglobe.com/article?article=14"It
>> >> >>> >> >> would
>> >> >>> >> >> be
>> >> >>> >> >> wrong
>> >> >>> >> >> of Sunrise to
>> >> >>> >> >> report on the consequences of global warming without
>> >> >>> >> >> ourselves
>> >> >>> >> >> taking
>> >> >>> >> >> steps
>> >> >>> >> >> to fix it."
>>
>> >> >>> >> >> From the V8 Supercars website, the estimated fuel
>> >> >>> >> >> consumption
>> >> >>> of >> >> just
>> >> >>> >> >> one
>> >> >>> >> >> Holden Commodore over the 1,000Klm Bathurst race meet: -
>> >> >>> >> >> race
>> >> >>> >> >> cars -
>> >> >>> >> >> 3.6
>> >> >>> >> >> litres per lap, 50 laps practice, 350km completed before
>> >> >>> >> >> start
>> >> >>> of >> >> 161
>> >> >>> >> >> lap
>> >> >>> >> >> race - estimated consumption 759.6 litres per race car.
>>
>> >> >>> >> >> There are 31 cars in the Supercar Series and for Bathurst,
>> >> >>> that's a
>> >> >>> >> >> total
>> >> >>> >> >> of
>> >> >>> >> >> 23,560 litres of fuel burned into the atmosphere. <snip>
>>
>> >> >>> >> > That's a very good argument, except for one thing. That
>> >> >>> >> > 23.560
>> >> >>> >> > litres
>> >> >>> >> > of fuel doesn't get "burned into the atmosphere", it gets
>> >> >>> >> > burned
>> >> >>> >> > inside the engines. That's why they are called "internal
>> >> >>> combustion
>> >> >>> >> > engines". In modern cars, (and certainly in V8 Supercars)
>> >> >>> >> > there
>> >> >>> >> > is
>> >> >>> >> > absolutely NO unburned fuel, as that is what cataletic
>> >> >>> convertors >> > are
>> >> >>> >> > for - to trap and re-use any unburnt fuel that gets past the
>> >> >>> exhaust
>> >> >>> >> > valves. What gases that does escape the exhaust is
>> >> >>> >> > relatively
>> >> >>> >> > harmless considering the small number of cars in such a big
>> >> >>> >> > racetrack. You COULD argue about all the polution that the
>> >> >>> >> > >> >
>> >> >>> spectators
>> >> >>> >> > vehicles are causing, but then you just can't pick on racing
>> >> >>> events,
>> >> >>> >> > you'd have to also include (and presumably you'd want to ban)
>> >> >>> >> > ANY
>> >> >>> >> > event that draws a croud, including Sunday mass.
>>
>> >> >>> >> WOW! You sure do know your stuff. I'd never heard of this
>> >> >>> >> 'cataletic'
>> >> >>> >> convertor you talk of that traps and re-uses any unburnt fuel.
>> >> >>> >> I
>> >> >>> >> really
>> >> >>> >> should do more research before posting.
>>
>> >> >>> > As should I, because I spelt it wrongly. But you see my point.
>> >> >>> > Nowhere near the amount of fuel as you claim is burnt into the
>> >> >>> > atmosphere. Hope that helps. And yes, it'd be swell if you did
>> >> >>> > some
>> >> >>> > research before posting in futurer.
>>
>> >> >>> "Spelt it wrongly"? Oh, did you mean catalytic converter? Well,
>> >> >>> I'm
>> >> >>> afraid
>> >> >>> yet again, your post, like many before it, is not worth the ink it
>> >> >>> was
>> >> >>> written in.
>>
>> >> >>> V8 Supercars don't have to be equipped with catalytic converters.
>> >> >>> Please
>> >> >>> refer to the the V8 Supercar Operations Manual, in the Division
>> >> >>> "C"
>> >> >>> Technical Rules, section 8.9 - Exhaust Systems.
>>
>> >> >>> 8.9.8 "All Cars must be fitted with effective mufflers which
>> >> >>> diminish
>> >> >>> the
>> >> >>> sound of the engine exhaust so that the maximum exhaust noise does
>> >> >>> not
>> >> >>> exceed 95dB(A) measured at 30 metres from the side of the track by
>> >> >>> approved
>> >> >>> measuring equipment."
>>
>> >> >>> No mention of catalytic, or cataletic converters in the whole
>> >> >>> manual.
>>
>> >> >> I wouldn't expect there would be any mention of them, as they are
>> >> >> an
>> >> >> integral part of the engine. I assume they don't mention things
>> >> >> like
>> >> >> the tension settings of the forward conrod bolt to the 7th piston
>> >> >> either. These things are set by the engine manufacturer to give
>> >> >> the
>> >> >> engine the ultimate in power and reliability. By removing the
>> >> >> catalytic convertor, would be the same as removing the forward
>> >> >> conrod
>> >> >> bolt to the 7th piston - in other words, the engine would fail.
>> >> >> You
>> >> >> made the mistake of thinking that the catalytic convertor is part
>> >> >> of
>> >> >> the muffler system, which is what a lot of people wrongly think.
>> >> >> (Yes, "wrongly" actually *IS* a real word - shakes head) Simply
>> >> >> put,
>> >> >> the catalytic convertor traps any unburnt fuel that passes the
>> >> >> exhast
>> >> >> valves, and injects it with oxygen which ignights it, pushing the
>> >> >> vapours (and force) back into the inlet chamber, to in effect,
>> >> >> getting
>> >> >> more performance out of the engine. The exhast system STARTS at
>> >> >> the
>> >> >> outlet of the catalytic convertor. In v8 supercars, the catalytic
>> >> >> convertor forms part of the exhast manifolds. Hope that helps. I
>> >> >> really really do.
>>
>> >> > I'm posting this to aus.cars :-)
>>
>> >> > Noddy will have a field day with this. :-)
>>
>> >> > Oz
>>
>> >> Truly, truly brilliant trolling.
>>
>> > The people of Usenet never cease to amaze me with their gullibility.
>> > Until yesterday afternoon, I couldn't tell you what a V8 Supercar was,
>> > let alone a catalytic convertor or a conrod bolt. Yet all I had to do
>> > was perform a simple 5 minute google search, to read up and reply with
>> > terms like exhaust valves and internal combustion engines,and for some
>> > reason suddenly I'm an expert worthy of several replies wanting to
>> > debate me. And then by the next day, people have downloaded and read
>> > the entire V8 Supercar technical specifications, and are quoting
>> > sections verbatum to try (unsuccessfully) to prove what I typed was
>> > wrong. And presumably, these are people who live and breathe V8
>> > Supercars. This goes a long way to prove the lack of intelligence
>> > level of V8 Supercar fans.
>>
>> What you STILL don't realise is that I've egged your trolling on for
>> years,
>> from your Oscar days to your 30 Day Old Meat days and to your present day
>> TG'sFM troll identity.
>>
>> You're so gullible you don't see that.
>
> Yes, yes I must be that gullible. Can you go back furtherer than the
> Oscar days? That seems to be a grey area even for those who DO "get
> it"?

If you're talking about Emily Hill, that's a bit of a grey area for me as I
didn't frequent this newsgroup internet thingy much back then.

HR
>

[Ext User(TG'sFM)]

On Feb 17, 2:11 pm, "HeadRush" <( . )( . )@(_!_).com> wrote:
> "TG'sFM" <suv...@yahoo.fr> wrote in message
>
> news:1171683249.666713.213240@a75g2000cwd.googlegr oups.com...
>
>
>
> > On Feb 17, 12:41 pm, "HeadRush" <( . )( . )@(_!_).com> wrote:
> >> "TG'sFM" <suv...@yahoo.fr> wrote in message
>
> >>news:1171671142.196941.254120@j27g2000cwj.googlegr oups.com...
>
> >> > On Feb 17, 9:33 am, Andy <nos...@no.no> wrote:
> >> >> Ozz wrote:
>
> >> >> > "TG'sFM" <suv...@yahoo.fr> wrote in message
> >> >> >news:1171620883.367459.227590@v45g2000cwv.googlegr oups.com...
> >> >> >> On Feb 16, 8:04 pm, "HeadRush" <( . )( . )@(_!_).com> wrote:
> >> >> >>> "TG'sFM" <suv...@yahoo.fr> wrote in message
>
> >> >> >>>news:1171616332.679330.34910@t69g2000cwt.googlegro ups.com...
>
> >> >> >>> > On Feb 16, 6:46 pm, "HeadRush" <( . )( . )@(_!_).com> wrote:
> >> >> >>> >> "TG'sFM" <suv...@yahoo.fr> wrote in message
>
> >> >> >>> >>news:1171613893.095363.251900@p10g2000cwp.googlegr oups.com...
>
> >> >> >>> >> > On Feb 16, 6:00 pm, "HeadRush" <( . )( . )@(_!_).com> wrote:
> >> >> >>> >> >> They launched the V8 Supercar Championship series on Sunrise
> >> >> >>> >> >> yesterday.
> >> >> >>> >> >> It
> >> >> >>> >> >> was all about "the thundering V8s", "the roar of the big
> >> >> >>> >> >> V8s",
> >> >> >>> "the
> >> >> >>> >> >> excitement of the V8s shooting down the straight".
>
> >> >> >>> >> >> Berretta's grin went from ear to ear as he showed off his V8
>
> >> >> >>> >> Supercar
> >> >> >>> >> >> driver's outfit with his own belt insignia. Later a beaming
> >> >> >>> >> >> Kochie
> >> >> >>> >> >> appeared
> >> >> >>> >> >> also dressed in a V8 drivers outfit with "Kochie" emblazoned
> >> >> >>> >> >> on
> >> >> >>> his
> >> >> >>> >> >> belt.
>
> >> >> >>> >> >> The whole show was pathetically dedicated to promoting the
> >> >> >>> >> >> V8
> >> >> >>> >> >> Supercar
> >> >> >>> >> >> series because 7 have the broadcast rights.
>
> >> >> >>> >> >> So what happened to the Sunrise Cool The Globe
> >> >> >>> >> >> initiative.?http://cooltheglobe.com/article?article=14"It
> >> >> >>> >> >> would
> >> >> >>> >> >> be
> >> >> >>> >> >> wrong
> >> >> >>> >> >> of Sunrise to
> >> >> >>> >> >> report on the consequences of global warming without
> >> >> >>> >> >> ourselves
> >> >> >>> >> >> taking
> >> >> >>> >> >> steps
> >> >> >>> >> >> to fix it."
>
> >> >> >>> >> >> From the V8 Supercars website, the estimated fuel
> >> >> >>> >> >> consumption
> >> >> >>> of >> >> just
> >> >> >>> >> >> one
> >> >> >>> >> >> Holden Commodore over the 1,000Klm Bathurst race meet: -
> >> >> >>> >> >> race
> >> >> >>> >> >> cars -
> >> >> >>> >> >> 3.6
> >> >> >>> >> >> litres per lap, 50 laps practice, 350km completed before
> >> >> >>> >> >> start
> >> >> >>> of >> >> 161
> >> >> >>> >> >> lap
> >> >> >>> >> >> race - estimated consumption 759.6 litres per race car.
>
> >> >> >>> >> >> There are 31 cars in the Supercar Series and for Bathurst,
> >> >> >>> that's a
> >> >> >>> >> >> total
> >> >> >>> >> >> of
> >> >> >>> >> >> 23,560 litres of fuel burned into the atmosphere. <snip>
>
> >> >> >>> >> > That's a very good argument, except for one thing. That
> >> >> >>> >> > 23.560
> >> >> >>> >> > litres
> >> >> >>> >> > of fuel doesn't get "burned into the atmosphere", it gets
> >> >> >>> >> > burned
> >> >> >>> >> > inside the engines. That's why they are called "internal
> >> >> >>> combustion
> >> >> >>> >> > engines". In modern cars, (and certainly in V8 Supercars)
> >> >> >>> >> > there
> >> >> >>> >> > is
> >> >> >>> >> > absolutely NO unburned fuel, as that is what cataletic
> >> >> >>> convertors >> > are
> >> >> >>> >> > for - to trap and re-use any unburnt fuel that gets past the
> >> >> >>> exhaust
> >> >> >>> >> > valves. What gases that does escape the exhaust is
> >> >> >>> >> > relatively
> >> >> >>> >> > harmless considering the small number of cars in such a big
> >> >> >>> >> > racetrack. You COULD argue about all the polution that the
>
> >> >> >>> spectators
> >> >> >>> >> > vehicles are causing, but then you just can't pick on racing
> >> >> >>> events,
> >> >> >>> >> > you'd have to also include (and presumably you'd want to ban)
> >> >> >>> >> > ANY
> >> >> >>> >> > event that draws a croud, including Sunday mass.
>
> >> >> >>> >> WOW! You sure do know your stuff. I'd never heard of this
> >> >> >>> >> 'cataletic'
> >> >> >>> >> convertor you talk of that traps and re-uses any unburnt fuel.
> >> >> >>> >> I
> >> >> >>> >> really
> >> >> >>> >> should do more research before posting.
>
> >> >> >>> > As should I, because I spelt it wrongly. But you see my point.
> >> >> >>> > Nowhere near the amount of fuel as you claim is burnt into the
> >> >> >>> > atmosphere. Hope that helps. And yes, it'd be swell if you did
> >> >> >>> > some
> >> >> >>> > research before posting in futurer.
>
> >> >> >>> "Spelt it wrongly"? Oh, did you mean catalytic converter? Well,
> >> >> >>> I'm
> >> >> >>> afraid
> >> >> >>> yet again, your post, like many before it, is not worth the ink it
> >> >> >>> was
> >> >> >>> written in.
>
> >> >> >>> V8 Supercars don't have to be equipped with catalytic converters.
> >> >> >>> Please
> >> >> >>> refer to the the V8 Supercar Operations Manual, in the Division
> >> >> >>> "C"
> >> >> >>> Technical Rules, section 8.9 - Exhaust Systems.
>
> >> >> >>> 8.9.8 "All Cars must be fitted with effective mufflers which
> >> >> >>> diminish
> >> >> >>> the
> >> >> >>> sound of the engine exhaust so that the maximum exhaust noise does
> >> >> >>> not
> >> >> >>> exceed 95dB(A) measured at 30 metres from the side of the track by
> >> >> >>> approved
> >> >> >>> measuring equipment."
>
> >> >> >>> No mention of catalytic, or cataletic converters in the whole
> >> >> >>> manual.
>
> >> >> >> I wouldn't expect there would be any mention of them, as they are
> >> >> >> an
> >> >> >> integral part of the engine. I assume they don't mention things
> >> >> >> like
> >> >> >> the tension settings of the forward conrod bolt to the 7th piston
> >> >> >> either. These things are set by the engine manufacturer to give
> >> >> >> the
> >> >> >> engine the ultimate in power and reliability. By removing the
> >> >> >> catalytic convertor, would be the same as removing the forward
> >> >> >> conrod
> >> >> >> bolt to the 7th piston - in other words, the engine would fail.
> >> >> >> You
> >> >> >> made the mistake of thinking that the catalytic convertor is part
> >> >> >> of
> >> >> >> the muffler system, which is what a lot of people wrongly think.
> >> >> >> (Yes, "wrongly" actually *IS* a real word - shakes head) Simply
> >> >> >> put,
> >> >> >> the catalytic convertor traps any unburnt fuel that passes the
> >> >> >> exhast
> >> >> >> valves, and injects it with oxygen which ignights it, pushing the
> >> >> >> vapours (and force) back into the inlet chamber, to in effect,
> >> >> >> getting
> >> >> >> more performance out of the engine. The exhast system STARTS at
> >> >> >> the
> >> >> >> outlet of the catalytic convertor. In v8 supercars, the catalytic
> >> >> >> convertor forms part of the exhast manifolds. Hope that helps. I
> >> >> >> really really do.
>
> >> >> > I'm posting this to aus.cars :-)
>
> >> >> > Noddy will have a field day with this. :-)
>
> >> >> > Oz
>
> >> >> Truly, truly brilliant trolling.
>
> >> > The people of Usenet never cease to amaze me with their gullibility.
> >> > Until yesterday afternoon, I couldn't tell you what a V8 Supercar was,
> >> > let alone a catalytic convertor or a conrod bolt. Yet all I had to do
> >> > was perform a simple 5 minute google search, to read up and reply with
> >> > terms like exhaust valves and internal combustion engines,and for some
> >> > reason suddenly I'm an expert worthy of several replies wanting to
> >> > debate me. And then by the next day, people have downloaded and read
> >> > the entire V8 Supercar technical specifications, and are quoting
> >> > sections verbatum to try (unsuccessfully) to prove what I typed was
> >> > wrong. And presumably, these are people who live and breathe V8
> >> > Supercars. This goes a long way to prove the lack of intelligence
> >> > level of V8 Supercar fans.
>
> >> What you STILL don't realise is that I've egged your trolling on for
> >> years,
> >> from your Oscar days to your 30 Day Old Meat days and to your present day
> >> TG'sFM troll identity.
>
> >> You're so gullible you don't see that.
>
> > Yes, yes I must be that gullible. Can you go back furtherer than the
> > Oscar days? That seems to be a grey area even for those who DO "get
> > it"?
>
> If you're talking about Emily Hill, that's a bit of a grey area for me as I
> didn't frequent this newsgroup internet thingy much back then.

Nor did I, but I get frequently accused of being her and also some
other chick who I can't remember he name off the top of my head.
Funnily though, all those who make these allegations can't seem to
back it up with any proof. But even so, I'm touched that I'm held in
such high regard.

[Ext User(Dave - Turnip)]

"TG'sFM" <suvvdj@yahoo.fr> wrote in message news:1171686830.976529.235480@l53g2000cwa.googlegr oups.com...
> On Feb 17, 2:11 pm, "HeadRush" <( . )( . )@(_!_).com> wrote:
>
>> > Yes, yes I must be that gullible. Can you go back furtherer than the
>> > Oscar days? That seems to be a grey area even for those who DO "get
>> > it"?
>>
>> If you're talking about Emily Hill, that's a bit of a grey area for me as I
>> didn't frequent this newsgroup internet thingy much back then.
>
> Nor did I, but I get frequently accused of being her and also some
> other chick who I can't remember he name off the top of my head.
> Funnily though, all those who make these allegations can't seem to
> back it up with any proof.

Hey kid. You want proof? Then allow Dave Turnip to give you proof.
A quick check of the super duper Turnip database reveals the following:

Dates: 11/03/00 - 14/09/03
Names: G HILL, Hilly, HILLY, ejhill@hotmail.com, EJHILL, Emily Hill
Original IP: 203.220.197.55
X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (Win98; I)

Dates: 01/03/04 - 10/04/04
Names: Megan, Oscar
Original IP: 203.220.197.55
X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (Win98; I)

Dates: 12/04/04 - Present
Names: Day-Old-Meat etc, Soixante Une Vieilles De Jour etc, TG'sFM
Original IP: 203.220.197.55
X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (Win98; I)

Your current IP has now changed since you left Maryborough and you now
post via Google Groups from the Brisbane area using Westnet Internet Services.

Case closed. That's is all, kid.

--
Dave - Turnip
Internet Sleuth

[Ext User(TG'sFM)]

On Feb 17, 4:41 pm, Dave - Turnip <Dave.Tur...@figjam.au> wrote:
> "TG'sFM" <suv...@yahoo.fr> wrote in messagenews:1171686830.976529.235480@l53g2000cwa.g ooglegroups.com...
> > On Feb 17, 2:11 pm, "HeadRush" <( . )( . )@(_!_).com> wrote:
>
> >> > Yes, yes I must be that gullible. Can you go back furtherer than the
> >> > Oscar days? That seems to be a grey area even for those who DO "get
> >> > it"?
>
> >> If you're talking about Emily Hill, that's a bit of a grey area for me as I
> >> didn't frequent this newsgroup internet thingy much back then.
>
> > Nor did I, but I get frequently accused of being her and also some
> > other chick who I can't remember he name off the top of my head.
> > Funnily though, all those who make these allegations can't seem to
> > back it up with any proof.
>
> Hey kid. You want proof? Then allow Dave Turnip to give you proof.
> A quick check of the super duper Turnip database reveals the following:
>
> Dates: 11/03/00 - 14/09/03
> Names: G HILL, Hilly, HILLY, ejh...@hotmail.com, EJHILL, Emily Hill
> Original IP: 203.220.197.55
> X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (Win98; I)
>
> Dates: 01/03/04 - 10/04/04
> Names: Megan, Oscar
> Original IP: 203.220.197.55
> X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (Win98; I)
>
> Dates: 12/04/04 - Present
> Names: Day-Old-Meat etc, Soixante Une Vieilles De Jour etc, TG'sFM
> Original IP: 203.220.197.55
> X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (Win98; I)
>
> Your current IP has now changed since you left Maryborough and you now
> post via Google Groups from the Brisbane area using Westnet Internet Services.
>
> Case closed. That's is all, kid.

Well done shirlock. So your PROOF is that I am NOT linked to these
IP's is it? Yep, that makes sense. BTW, I've never lived in
Maryborough. Hope that helps. Here's a hankie to wipe the egg off ya
face ~~~~

[Ext User(RainbowWarrior)]

"Ozz" <OZ@yellowbrickroad.com> wrote in message
news:45d63ce5$0$1147$61c65585@un-2park-reader-01.sydney.pipenetworks.com.au...
>
> "TG'sFM" <suvvdj@yahoo.fr> wrote in message
> news:1171620883.367459.227590@v45g2000cwv.googlegr oups.com...
>> On Feb 16, 8:04 pm, "HeadRush" <( . )( . )@(_!_).com> wrote:
>>> "TG'sFM" <suv...@yahoo.fr> wrote in message
>>>
>>> news:1171616332.679330.34910@t69g2000cwt.googlegro ups.com...
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> > On Feb 16, 6:46 pm, "HeadRush" <( . )( . )@(_!_).com> wrote:
>>> >> "TG'sFM" <suv...@yahoo.fr> wrote in message
>>>
>>> >>news:1171613893.095363.251900@p10g2000cwp.googlegr oups.com...
>>>
>>> >> > On Feb 16, 6:00 pm, "HeadRush" <( . )( . )@(_!_).com> wrote:
>>> >> >> They launched the V8 Supercar Championship series on Sunrise
>>> >> >> yesterday.
>>> >> >> It
>>> >> >> was all about "the thundering V8s", "the roar of the big V8s",
>>> >> >> "the
>>> >> >> excitement of the V8s shooting down the straight".
>>>
>>> >> >> Berretta's grin went from ear to ear as he showed off his V8
>>> >> >> Supercar
>>> >> >> driver's outfit with his own belt insignia. Later a beaming Kochie
>>> >> >> appeared
>>> >> >> also dressed in a V8 drivers outfit with "Kochie" emblazoned on
>>> >> >> his
>>> >> >> belt.
>>>
>>> >> >> The whole show was pathetically dedicated to promoting the V8
>>> >> >> Supercar
>>> >> >> series because 7 have the broadcast rights.
>>>
>>> >> >> So what happened to the Sunrise Cool The Globe
>>> >> >> initiative.?http://cooltheglobe.com/article?article=14"It would be
>>> >> >> wrong
>>> >> >> of Sunrise to
>>> >> >> report on the consequences of global warming without ourselves
>>> >> >> taking
>>> >> >> steps
>>> >> >> to fix it."
>>>
>>> >> >> From the V8 Supercars website, the estimated fuel consumption of
>>> >> >> just
>>> >> >> one
>>> >> >> Holden Commodore over the 1,000Klm Bathurst race meet: - race
>>> >> >> cars -
>>> >> >> 3.6
>>> >> >> litres per lap, 50 laps practice, 350km completed before start of
>>> >> >> 161
>>> >> >> lap
>>> >> >> race - estimated consumption 759.6 litres per race car.
>>>
>>> >> >> There are 31 cars in the Supercar Series and for Bathurst, that's
>>> >> >> a
>>> >> >> total
>>> >> >> of
>>> >> >> 23,560 litres of fuel burned into the atmosphere. <snip>
>>>
>>> >> > That's a very good argument, except for one thing. That 23.560
>>> >> > litres
>>> >> > of fuel doesn't get "burned into the atmosphere", it gets burned
>>> >> > inside the engines. That's why they are called "internal
>>> >> > combustion
>>> >> > engines". In modern cars, (and certainly in V8 Supercars) there is
>>> >> > absolutely NO unburned fuel, as that is what cataletic convertors
>>> >> > are
>>> >> > for - to trap and re-use any unburnt fuel that gets past the
>>> >> > exhaust
>>> >> > valves. What gases that does escape the exhaust is relatively
>>> >> > harmless considering the small number of cars in such a big
>>> >> > racetrack. You COULD argue about all the polution that the
>>> >> > spectators
>>> >> > vehicles are causing, but then you just can't pick on racing
>>> >> > events,
>>> >> > you'd have to also include (and presumably you'd want to ban) ANY
>>> >> > event that draws a croud, including Sunday mass.
>>>
>>> >> WOW! You sure do know your stuff. I'd never heard of this 'cataletic'
>>> >> convertor you talk of that traps and re-uses any unburnt fuel. I
>>> >> really
>>> >> should do more research before posting.
>>>
>>> > As should I, because I spelt it wrongly. But you see my point.
>>> > Nowhere near the amount of fuel as you claim is burnt into the
>>> > atmosphere. Hope that helps. And yes, it'd be swell if you did some
>>> > research before posting in futurer.
>>>
>>> "Spelt it wrongly"? Oh, did you mean catalytic converter? Well, I'm
>>> afraid
>>> yet again, your post, like many before it, is not worth the ink it was
>>> written in.
>>>
>>> V8 Supercars don't have to be equipped with catalytic converters. Please
>>> refer to the the V8 Supercar Operations Manual, in the Division "C"
>>> Technical Rules, section 8.9 - Exhaust Systems.
>>>
>>> 8.9.8 "All Cars must be fitted with effective mufflers which diminish
>>> the
>>> sound of the engine exhaust so that the maximum exhaust noise does not
>>> exceed 95dB(A) measured at 30 metres from the side of the track by
>>> approved
>>> measuring equipment."
>>>
>>> No mention of catalytic, or cataletic converters in the whole manual.
>>
>> I wouldn't expect there would be any mention of them, as they are an
>> integral part of the engine. I assume they don't mention things like
>> the tension settings of the forward conrod bolt to the 7th piston
>> either. These things are set by the engine manufacturer to give the
>> engine the ultimate in power and reliability. By removing the
>> catalytic convertor, would be the same as removing the forward conrod
>> bolt to the 7th piston - in other words, the engine would fail. You
>> made the mistake of thinking that the catalytic convertor is part of
>> the muffler system, which is what a lot of people wrongly think.
>> (Yes, "wrongly" actually *IS* a real word - shakes head) Simply put,
>> the catalytic convertor traps any unburnt fuel that passes the exhast
>> valves, and injects it with oxygen which ignights it, pushing the
>> vapours (and force) back into the inlet chamber, to in effect, getting
>> more performance out of the engine. The exhast system STARTS at the
>> outlet of the catalytic convertor. In v8 supercars, the catalytic
>> convertor forms part of the exhast manifolds. Hope that helps. I
>> really really do.
>
> I'm posting this to aus.cars :-)
>
> Noddy will have a field day with this. :-)
>
> Oz

Cool while we are banning motor racing for enviromental reasons, lets
consider how many tree's each year are cut down for shopping centres, golf
courses & football fields........

[Ext User(RainbowWarrior)]

"TG'sFM" <suvvdj@yahoo.fr> wrote in message
news:1171671142.196941.254120@j27g2000cwj.googlegr oups.com...
> On Feb 17, 9:33 am, Andy <nos...@no.no> wrote:
>> Ozz wrote:
>>
>> > "TG'sFM" <suv...@yahoo.fr> wrote in message
>> >news:1171620883.367459.227590@v45g2000cwv.googlegr oups.com...
>> >> On Feb 16, 8:04 pm, "HeadRush" <( . )( . )@(_!_).com> wrote:
>> >>> "TG'sFM" <suv...@yahoo.fr> wrote in message
>>
>> >>>news:1171616332.679330.34910@t69g2000cwt.googlegro ups.com...
>>
>> >>> > On Feb 16, 6:46 pm, "HeadRush" <( . )( . )@(_!_).com> wrote:
>> >>> >> "TG'sFM" <suv...@yahoo.fr> wrote in message
>>
>> >>> >>news:1171613893.095363.251900@p10g2000cwp.googlegr oups.com...
>>
>> >>> >> > On Feb 16, 6:00 pm, "HeadRush" <( . )( . )@(_!_).com> wrote:
>> >>> >> >> They launched the V8 Supercar Championship series on Sunrise
>> >>> >> >> yesterday.
>> >>> >> >> It
>> >>> >> >> was all about "the thundering V8s", "the roar of the big V8s",
>> >>> "the
>> >>> >> >> excitement of the V8s shooting down the straight".
>>
>> >>> >> >> Berretta's grin went from ear to ear as he showed off his V8 >>
>> >>> >> Supercar
>> >>> >> >> driver's outfit with his own belt insignia. Later a beaming
>> >>> >> >> Kochie
>> >>> >> >> appeared
>> >>> >> >> also dressed in a V8 drivers outfit with "Kochie" emblazoned on
>> >>> his
>> >>> >> >> belt.
>>
>> >>> >> >> The whole show was pathetically dedicated to promoting the V8
>> >>> >> >> Supercar
>> >>> >> >> series because 7 have the broadcast rights.
>>
>> >>> >> >> So what happened to the Sunrise Cool The Globe
>> >>> >> >> initiative.?http://cooltheglobe.com/article?article=14"It would
>> >>> >> >> be
>> >>> >> >> wrong
>> >>> >> >> of Sunrise to
>> >>> >> >> report on the consequences of global warming without ourselves
>> >>> >> >> taking
>> >>> >> >> steps
>> >>> >> >> to fix it."
>>
>> >>> >> >> From the V8 Supercars website, the estimated fuel consumption
>> >>> of >> >> just
>> >>> >> >> one
>> >>> >> >> Holden Commodore over the 1,000Klm Bathurst race meet: - race
>> >>> >> >> cars -
>> >>> >> >> 3.6
>> >>> >> >> litres per lap, 50 laps practice, 350km completed before start
>> >>> of >> >> 161
>> >>> >> >> lap
>> >>> >> >> race - estimated consumption 759.6 litres per race car.
>>
>> >>> >> >> There are 31 cars in the Supercar Series and for Bathurst,
>> >>> that's a
>> >>> >> >> total
>> >>> >> >> of
>> >>> >> >> 23,560 litres of fuel burned into the atmosphere. <snip>
>>
>> >>> >> > That's a very good argument, except for one thing. That 23.560
>> >>> >> > litres
>> >>> >> > of fuel doesn't get "burned into the atmosphere", it gets burned
>> >>> >> > inside the engines. That's why they are called "internal
>> >>> combustion
>> >>> >> > engines". In modern cars, (and certainly in V8 Supercars) there
>> >>> >> > is
>> >>> >> > absolutely NO unburned fuel, as that is what cataletic
>> >>> convertors >> > are
>> >>> >> > for - to trap and re-use any unburnt fuel that gets past the
>> >>> exhaust
>> >>> >> > valves. What gases that does escape the exhaust is relatively
>> >>> >> > harmless considering the small number of cars in such a big
>> >>> >> > racetrack. You COULD argue about all the polution that the >> >
>> >>> spectators
>> >>> >> > vehicles are causing, but then you just can't pick on racing
>> >>> events,
>> >>> >> > you'd have to also include (and presumably you'd want to ban)
>> >>> >> > ANY
>> >>> >> > event that draws a croud, including Sunday mass.
>>
>> >>> >> WOW! You sure do know your stuff. I'd never heard of this
>> >>> >> 'cataletic'
>> >>> >> convertor you talk of that traps and re-uses any unburnt fuel. I
>> >>> >> really
>> >>> >> should do more research before posting.
>>
>> >>> > As should I, because I spelt it wrongly. But you see my point.
>> >>> > Nowhere near the amount of fuel as you claim is burnt into the
>> >>> > atmosphere. Hope that helps. And yes, it'd be swell if you did
>> >>> > some
>> >>> > research before posting in futurer.
>>
>> >>> "Spelt it wrongly"? Oh, did you mean catalytic converter? Well, I'm
>> >>> afraid
>> >>> yet again, your post, like many before it, is not worth the ink it
>> >>> was
>> >>> written in.
>>
>> >>> V8 Supercars don't have to be equipped with catalytic converters.
>> >>> Please
>> >>> refer to the the V8 Supercar Operations Manual, in the Division "C"
>> >>> Technical Rules, section 8.9 - Exhaust Systems.
>>
>> >>> 8.9.8 "All Cars must be fitted with effective mufflers which diminish
>> >>> the
>> >>> sound of the engine exhaust so that the maximum exhaust noise does
>> >>> not
>> >>> exceed 95dB(A) measured at 30 metres from the side of the track by
>> >>> approved
>> >>> measuring equipment."
>>
>> >>> No mention of catalytic, or cataletic converters in the whole manual.
>>
>> >> I wouldn't expect there would be any mention of them, as they are an
>> >> integral part of the engine. I assume they don't mention things like
>> >> the tension settings of the forward conrod bolt to the 7th piston
>> >> either. These things are set by the engine manufacturer to give the
>> >> engine the ultimate in power and reliability. By removing the
>> >> catalytic convertor, would be the same as removing the forward conrod
>> >> bolt to the 7th piston - in other words, the engine would fail. You
>> >> made the mistake of thinking that the catalytic convertor is part of
>> >> the muffler system, which is what a lot of people wrongly think.
>> >> (Yes, "wrongly" actually *IS* a real word - shakes head) Simply put,
>> >> the catalytic convertor traps any unburnt fuel that passes the exhast
>> >> valves, and injects it with oxygen which ignights it, pushing the
>> >> vapours (and force) back into the inlet chamber, to in effect, getting
>> >> more performance out of the engine. The exhast system STARTS at the
>> >> outlet of the catalytic convertor. In v8 supercars, the catalytic
>> >> convertor forms part of the exhast manifolds. Hope that helps. I
>> >> really really do.
>>
>> > I'm posting this to aus.cars :-)
>>
>> > Noddy will have a field day with this. :-)
>>
>> > Oz
>>
>> Truly, truly brilliant trolling.
>
> The people of Usenet never cease to amaze me with their gullibility.
> Until yesterday afternoon, I couldn't tell you what a V8 Supercar was,
> let alone a catalytic convertor or a conrod bolt. Yet all I had to do
> was perform a simple 5 minute google search, to read up and reply with
> terms like exhaust valves and internal combustion engines,and for some
> reason suddenly I'm an expert worthy of several replies wanting to
> debate me. And then by the next day, people have downloaded and read
> the entire V8 Supercar technical specifications, and are quoting
> sections verbatum to try (unsuccessfully) to prove what I typed was
> wrong. And presumably, these are people who live and breathe V8
> Supercars. This goes a long way to prove the lack of intelligence
> level of V8 Supercar fans.

Cool trolling internet experts who can use google ...........

[Ext User(RainbowWarrior)]

"TG'sFM" <suvvdj@yahoo.fr> wrote in message
news:1171674178.570338.257560@a75g2000cwd.googlegr oups.com...
> On Feb 17, 10:43 am, "Ozz" <O...@yellowbrickroad.com> wrote:
>> "TG'sFM" <suv...@yahoo.fr> wrote in message
>>
>> news:1171671142.196941.254120@j27g2000cwj.googlegr oups.com...
>>
>>
>>
>> > On Feb 17, 9:33 am, Andy <nos...@no.no> wrote:
>> >> Ozz wrote:
>>
>> >> > "TG'sFM" <suv...@yahoo.fr> wrote in message
>> >> >news:1171620883.367459.227590@v45g2000cwv.googlegr oups.com...
>> >> >> On Feb 16, 8:04 pm, "HeadRush" <( . )( . )@(_!_).com> wrote:
>> >> >>> "TG'sFM" <suv...@yahoo.fr> wrote in message
>>
>> >> >>>news:1171616332.679330.34910@t69g2000cwt.googlegro ups.com...
>>
>> >> >>> > On Feb 16, 6:46 pm, "HeadRush" <( . )( . )@(_!_).com> wrote:
>> >> >>> >> "TG'sFM" <suv...@yahoo.fr> wrote in message
>>
>> >> >>> >>news:1171613893.095363.251900@p10g2000cwp.googlegr oups.com...
>>
>> >> >>> >> > On Feb 16, 6:00 pm, "HeadRush" <( . )( . )@(_!_).com> wrote:
>> >> >>> >> >> They launched the V8 Supercar Championship series on Sunrise
>> >> >>> >> >> yesterday.
>> >> >>> >> >> It
>> >> >>> >> >> was all about "the thundering V8s", "the roar of the big
>> >> >>> >> >> V8s",
>> >> >>> "the
>> >> >>> >> >> excitement of the V8s shooting down the straight".
>>
>> >> >>> >> >> Berretta's grin went from ear to ear as he showed off his V8
>> >> >>> >> >> >>
>> >> >>> >> Supercar
>> >> >>> >> >> driver's outfit with his own belt insignia. Later a beaming
>> >> >>> >> >> Kochie
>> >> >>> >> >> appeared
>> >> >>> >> >> also dressed in a V8 drivers outfit with "Kochie" emblazoned
>> >> >>> >> >> on
>> >> >>> his
>> >> >>> >> >> belt.
>>
>> >> >>> >> >> The whole show was pathetically dedicated to promoting the
>> >> >>> >> >> V8
>> >> >>> >> >> Supercar
>> >> >>> >> >> series because 7 have the broadcast rights.
>>
>> >> >>> >> >> So what happened to the Sunrise Cool The Globe
>> >> >>> >> >> initiative.?http://cooltheglobe.com/article?article=14"It
>> >> >>> >> >> would
>> >> >>> >> >> be
>> >> >>> >> >> wrong
>> >> >>> >> >> of Sunrise to
>> >> >>> >> >> report on the consequences of global warming without
>> >> >>> >> >> ourselves
>> >> >>> >> >> taking
>> >> >>> >> >> steps
>> >> >>> >> >> to fix it."
>>
>> >> >>> >> >> From the V8 Supercars website, the estimated fuel
>> >> >>> >> >> consumption
>> >> >>> of >> >> just
>> >> >>> >> >> one
>> >> >>> >> >> Holden Commodore over the 1,000Klm Bathurst race meet: -
>> >> >>> >> >> race
>> >> >>> >> >> cars -
>> >> >>> >> >> 3.6
>> >> >>> >> >> litres per lap, 50 laps practice, 350km completed before
>> >> >>> >> >> start
>> >> >>> of >> >> 161
>> >> >>> >> >> lap
>> >> >>> >> >> race - estimated consumption 759.6 litres per race car.
>>
>> >> >>> >> >> There are 31 cars in the Supercar Series and for Bathurst,
>> >> >>> that's a
>> >> >>> >> >> total
>> >> >>> >> >> of
>> >> >>> >> >> 23,560 litres of fuel burned into the atmosphere. <snip>
>>
>> >> >>> >> > That's a very good argument, except for one thing. That
>> >> >>> >> > 23.560
>> >> >>> >> > litres
>> >> >>> >> > of fuel doesn't get "burned into the atmosphere", it gets
>> >> >>> >> > burned
>> >> >>> >> > inside the engines. That's why they are called "internal
>> >> >>> combustion
>> >> >>> >> > engines". In modern cars, (and certainly in V8 Supercars)
>> >> >>> >> > there
>> >> >>> >> > is
>> >> >>> >> > absolutely NO unburned fuel, as that is what cataletic
>> >> >>> convertors >> > are
>> >> >>> >> > for - to trap and re-use any unburnt fuel that gets past the
>> >> >>> exhaust
>> >> >>> >> > valves. What gases that does escape the exhaust is
>> >> >>> >> > relatively
>> >> >>> >> > harmless considering the small number of cars in such a big
>> >> >>> >> > racetrack. You COULD argue about all the polution that the
>> >> >>> >> > >> >
>> >> >>> spectators
>> >> >>> >> > vehicles are causing, but then you just can't pick on racing
>> >> >>> events,
>> >> >>> >> > you'd have to also include (and presumably you'd want to ban)
>> >> >>> >> > ANY
>> >> >>> >> > event that draws a croud, including Sunday mass.
>>
>> >> >>> >> WOW! You sure do know your stuff. I'd never heard of this
>> >> >>> >> 'cataletic'
>> >> >>> >> convertor you talk of that traps and re-uses any unburnt fuel.
>> >> >>> >> I
>> >> >>> >> really
>> >> >>> >> should do more research before posting.
>>
>> >> >>> > As should I, because I spelt it wrongly. But you see my point.
>> >> >>> > Nowhere near the amount of fuel as you claim is burnt into the
>> >> >>> > atmosphere. Hope that helps. And yes, it'd be swell if you did
>> >> >>> > some
>> >> >>> > research before posting in futurer.
>>
>> >> >>> "Spelt it wrongly"? Oh, did you mean catalytic converter? Well,
>> >> >>> I'm
>> >> >>> afraid
>> >> >>> yet again, your post, like many before it, is not worth the ink it
>> >> >>> was
>> >> >>> written in.
>>
>> >> >>> V8 Supercars don't have to be equipped with catalytic converters.
>> >> >>> Please
>> >> >>> refer to the the V8 Supercar Operations Manual, in the Division
>> >> >>> "C"
>> >> >>> Technical Rules, section 8.9 - Exhaust Systems.
>>
>> >> >>> 8.9.8 "All Cars must be fitted with effective mufflers which
>> >> >>> diminish
>> >> >>> the
>> >> >>> sound of the engine exhaust so that the maximum exhaust noise does
>> >> >>> not
>> >> >>> exceed 95dB(A) measured at 30 metres from the side of the track by
>> >> >>> approved
>> >> >>> measuring equipment."
>>
>> >> >>> No mention of catalytic, or cataletic converters in the whole
>> >> >>> manual.
>>
>> >> >> I wouldn't expect there would be any mention of them, as they are
>> >> >> an
>> >> >> integral part of the engine. I assume they don't mention things
>> >> >> like
>> >> >> the tension settings of the forward conrod bolt to the 7th piston
>> >> >> either. These things are set by the engine manufacturer to give
>> >> >> the
>> >> >> engine the ultimate in power and reliability. By removing the
>> >> >> catalytic convertor, would be the same as removing the forward
>> >> >> conrod
>> >> >> bolt to the 7th piston - in other words, the engine would fail.
>> >> >> You
>> >> >> made the mistake of thinking that the catalytic convertor is part
>> >> >> of
>> >> >> the muffler system, which is what a lot of people wrongly think.
>> >> >> (Yes, "wrongly" actually *IS* a real word - shakes head) Simply
>> >> >> put,
>> >> >> the catalytic convertor traps any unburnt fuel that passes the
>> >> >> exhast
>> >> >> valves, and injects it with oxygen which ignights it, pushing the
>> >> >> vapours (and force) back into the inlet chamber, to in effect,
>> >> >> getting
>> >> >> more performance out of the engine. The exhast system STARTS at
>> >> >> the
>> >> >> outlet of the catalytic convertor. In v8 supercars, the catalytic
>> >> >> convertor forms part of the exhast manifolds. Hope that helps. I
>> >> >> really really do.
>>
>> >> > I'm posting this to aus.cars :-)
>>
>> >> > Noddy will have a field day with this. :-)
>>
>> >> > Oz
>>
>> >> Truly, truly brilliant trolling.
>>
>> > The people of Usenet never cease to amaze me with their gullibility.
>> > Until yesterday afternoon, I couldn't tell you what a V8 Supercar was,
>> > let alone a catalytic convertor or a conrod bolt. Yet all I had to do
>> > was perform a simple 5 minute google search, to read up and reply with
>> > terms like exhaust valves and internal combustion engines,and for some
>> > reason suddenly I'm an expert worthy of several replies wanting to
>> > debate me. And then by the next day, people have downloaded and read
>> > the entire V8 Supercar technical specifications, and are quoting
>> > sections verbatum to try (unsuccessfully) to prove what I typed was
>> > wrong. And presumably, these are people who live and breathe V8
>> > Supercars. This goes a long way to prove the lack of intelligence
>> > level of V8 Supercar fans.
>>
>> Nice way to make fiends and influence people there TG'sFM :-)
>>
>> It seems that your running scared as this is the first time I have seen
>> you
>> admit to being nothing more than a troll, maybe your the one that should
>> think before you type in future :-)
>>
>> Oz
>
>
> I've NEVER claimed to be anything moe than a troll. The problem
> appears to be with people who think there is something wrong with
> being a troll? And the ONLY reason that is, is because they lack the
> skill and intelligence required to be a successful one. That is all.

Oh susccewsfull as in being able to get hits, or sucessfull as in actually
being interesting?

Plonk

[Ext User(RainbowWarrior)]

"Dave Kelett" <dkelett@kelett.org.au> wrote in message
news:45d65bb2_1@x-privat.org...
> "TG'sFM" <suvvdj@yahoo.fr> wrote in message
> news:1171675257.380317.175110@v45g2000cwv.googlegr oups.com...
>> On Feb 17, 11:12 am, "Dave Kelett" <dkel...@kelett.org.au> wrote:
>>> "TG'sFM" <suv...@yahoo.fr> wrote in message
>>>
>>> news:1171674178.570338.257560@a75g2000cwd.googlegr oups.com...
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> > On Feb 17, 10:43 am, "Ozz" <O...@yellowbrickroad.com> wrote:
>>> >> "TG'sFM" <suv...@yahoo.fr> wrote in message
>>>
>>> >>news:1171671142.196941.254120@j27g2000cwj.googlegr oups.com...
>>>
>>> >> > On Feb 17, 9:33 am, Andy <nos...@no.no> wrote:
>>> >> >> Ozz wrote:
>>>
>>> >> >> > "TG'sFM" <suv...@yahoo.fr> wrote in message
>>> >> >> >news:1171620883.367459.227590@v45g2000cwv.googlegr oups.com...
>>> >> >> >> On Feb 16, 8:04 pm, "HeadRush" <( . )( . )@(_!_).com> wrote:
>>> >> >> >>> "TG'sFM" <suv...@yahoo.fr> wrote in message
>>>
>>> >> >> >>>news:1171616332.679330.34910@t69g2000cwt.googlegro ups.com...
>>>
>>> >> >> >>> > On Feb 16, 6:46 pm, "HeadRush" <( . )( . )@(_!_).com> wrote:
>>> >> >> >>> >> "TG'sFM" <suv...@yahoo.fr> wrote in message
>>>
>>> >> >> >>> >>news:1171613893.095363.251900@p10g2000cwp.googlegr oups.com...
>>>
>>> >> >> >>> >> > On Feb 16, 6:00 pm, "HeadRush" <( . )( . )@(_!_).com>
>>> >> >> >>> >> > wrote:
>>> >> >> >>> >> >> They launched the V8 Supercar Championship series on
>>> >> >> >>> >> >> Sunrise
>>> >> >> >>> >> >> yesterday.
>>> >> >> >>> >> >> It
>>> >> >> >>> >> >> was all about "the thundering V8s", "the roar of the big
>>> >> >> >>> >> >> V8s",
>>> >> >> >>> "the
>>> >> >> >>> >> >> excitement of the V8s shooting down the straight".
>>>
>>> >> >> >>> >> >> Berretta's grin went from ear to ear as he showed off
>>> >> >> >>> >> >> his V8
>>>
>>> >> >> >>> >> Supercar
>>> >> >> >>> >> >> driver's outfit with his own belt insignia. Later a
>>> >> >> >>> >> >> beaming
>>> >> >> >>> >> >> Kochie
>>> >> >> >>> >> >> appeared
>>> >> >> >>> >> >> also dressed in a V8 drivers outfit with "Kochie"
>>> >> >> >>> >> >> emblazoned
>>> >> >> >>> >> >> on
>>> >> >> >>> his
>>> >> >> >>> >> >> belt.
>>>
>>> >> >> >>> >> >> The whole show was pathetically dedicated to promoting
>>> >> >> >>> >> >> the
>>> >> >> >>> >> >> V8
>>> >> >> >>> >> >> Supercar
>>> >> >> >>> >> >> series because 7 have the broadcast rights.
>>>
>>> >> >> >>> >> >> So what happened to the Sunrise Cool The Globe
>>> >> >> >>> >> >> initiative.?http://cooltheglobe.com/article?article=14"It
>>> >> >> >>> >> >> would
>>> >> >> >>> >> >> be
>>> >> >> >>> >> >> wrong
>>> >> >> >>> >> >> of Sunrise to
>>> >> >> >>> >> >> report on the consequences of global warming without
>>> >> >> >>> >> >> ourselves
>>> >> >> >>> >> >> taking
>>> >> >> >>> >> >> steps
>>> >> >> >>> >> >> to fix it."
>>>
>>> >> >> >>> >> >> From the V8 Supercars website, the estimated fuel
>>> >> >> >>> >> >> consumption
>>> >> >> >>> of >> >> just
>>> >> >> >>> >> >> one
>>> >> >> >>> >> >> Holden Commodore over the 1,000Klm Bathurst race meet: -
>>> >> >> >>> >> >> race
>>> >> >> >>> >> >> cars -
>>> >> >> >>> >> >> 3.6
>>> >> >> >>> >> >> litres per lap, 50 laps practice, 350km completed before
>>> >> >> >>> >> >> start
>>> >> >> >>> of >> >> 161
>>> >> >> >>> >> >> lap
>>> >> >> >>> >> >> race - estimated consumption 759.6 litres per race car.
>>>
>>> >> >> >>> >> >> There are 31 cars in the Supercar Series and for
>>> >> >> >>> >> >> Bathurst,
>>> >> >> >>> that's a
>>> >> >> >>> >> >> total
>>> >> >> >>> >> >> of
>>> >> >> >>> >> >> 23,560 litres of fuel burned into the atmosphere. <snip>
>>>
>>> >> >> >>> >> > That's a very good argument, except for one thing. That
>>> >> >> >>> >> > 23.560
>>> >> >> >>> >> > litres
>>> >> >> >>> >> > of fuel doesn't get "burned into the atmosphere", it gets
>>> >> >> >>> >> > burned
>>> >> >> >>> >> > inside the engines. That's why they are called "internal
>>> >> >> >>> combustion
>>> >> >> >>> >> > engines". In modern cars, (and certainly in V8
>>> >> >> >>> >> > Supercars)
>>> >> >> >>> >> > there
>>> >> >> >>> >> > is
>>> >> >> >>> >> > absolutely NO unburned fuel, as that is what cataletic
>>> >> >> >>> convertors >> > are
>>> >> >> >>> >> > for - to trap and re-use any unburnt fuel that gets past
>>> >> >> >>> >> > the
>>> >> >> >>> exhaust
>>> >> >> >>> >> > valves. What gases that does escape the exhaust is
>>> >> >> >>> >> > relatively
>>> >> >> >>> >> > harmless considering the small number of cars in such a
>>> >> >> >>> >> > big
>>> >> >> >>> >> > racetrack. You COULD argue about all the polution that
>>> >> >> >>> >> > the
>>>
>>> >> >> >>> spectators
>>> >> >> >>> >> > vehicles are causing, but then you just can't pick on
>>> >> >> >>> >> > racing
>>> >> >> >>> events,
>>> >> >> >>> >> > you'd have to also include (and presumably you'd want to
>>> >> >> >>> >> > ban)
>>> >> >> >>> >> > ANY
>>> >> >> >>> >> > event that draws a croud, including Sunday mass.
>>>
>>> >> >> >>> >> WOW! You sure do know your stuff. I'd never heard of this
>>> >> >> >>> >> 'cataletic'
>>> >> >> >>> >> convertor you talk of that traps and re-uses any unburnt
>>> >> >> >>> >> fuel.
>>> >> >> >>> >> I
>>> >> >> >>> >> really
>>> >> >> >>> >> should do more research before posting.
>>>
>>> >> >> >>> > As should I, because I spelt it wrongly. But you see my
>>> >> >> >>> > point.
>>> >> >> >>> > Nowhere near the amount of fuel as you claim is burnt into
>>> >> >> >>> > the
>>> >> >> >>> > atmosphere. Hope that helps. And yes, it'd be swell if you
>>> >> >> >>> > did
>>> >> >> >>> > some
>>> >> >> >>> > research before posting in futurer.
>>>
>>> >> >> >>> "Spelt it wrongly"? Oh, did you mean catalytic converter?
>>> >> >> >>> Well,
>>> >> >> >>> I'm
>>> >> >> >>> afraid
>>> >> >> >>> yet again, your post, like many before it, is not worth the
>>> >> >> >>> ink it
>>> >> >> >>> was
>>> >> >> >>> written in.
>>>
>>> >> >> >>> V8 Supercars don't have to be equipped with catalytic
>>> >> >> >>> converters.
>>> >> >> >>> Please
>>> >> >> >>> refer to the the V8 Supercar Operations Manual, in the
>>> >> >> >>> Division
>>> >> >> >>> "C"
>>> >> >> >>> Technical Rules, section 8.9 - Exhaust Systems.
>>>
>>> >> >> >>> 8.9.8 "All Cars must be fitted with effective mufflers which
>>> >> >> >>> diminish
>>> >> >> >>> the
>>> >> >> >>> sound of the engine exhaust so that the maximum exhaust noise
>>> >> >> >>> does
>>> >> >> >>> not
>>> >> >> >>> exceed 95dB(A) measured at 30 metres from the side of the
>>> >> >> >>> track by
>>> >> >> >>> approved
>>> >> >> >>> measuring equipment."
>>>
>>> >> >> >>> No mention of catalytic, or cataletic converters in the whole
>>> >> >> >>> manual.
>>>
>>> >> >> >> I wouldn't expect there would be any mention of them, as they
>>> >> >> >> are
>>> >> >> >> an
>>> >> >> >> integral part of the engine. I assume they don't mention
>>> >> >> >> things
>>> >> >> >> like
>>> >> >> >> the tension settings of the forward conrod bolt to the 7th
>>> >> >> >> piston
>>> >> >> >> either. These things are set by the engine manufacturer to
>>> >> >> >> give
>>> >> >> >> the
>>> >> >> >> engine the ultimate in power and reliability. By removing the
>>> >> >> >> catalytic convertor, would be the same as removing the forward
>>> >> >> >> conrod
>>> >> >> >> bolt to the 7th piston - in other words, the engine would fail.
>>> >> >> >> You
>>> >> >> >> made the mistake of thinking that the catalytic convertor is
>>> >> >> >> part
>>> >> >> >> of
>>> >> >> >> the muffler system, which is what a lot of people wrongly
>>> >> >> >> think.
>>> >> >> >> (Yes, "wrongly" actually *IS* a real word - shakes head)
>>> >> >> >> Simply
>>> >> >> >> put,
>>> >> >> >> the catalytic convertor traps any unburnt fuel that passes the
>>> >> >> >> exhast
>>> >> >> >> valves, and injects it with oxygen which ignights it, pushing
>>> >> >> >> the
>>> >> >> >> vapours (and force) back into the inlet chamber, to in effect,
>>> >> >> >> getting
>>> >> >> >> more performance out of the engine. The exhast system STARTS
>>> >> >> >> at
>>> >> >> >> the
>>> >> >> >> outlet of the catalytic convertor. In v8 supercars, the
>>> >> >> >> catalytic
>>> >> >> >> convertor forms part of the exhast manifolds. Hope that helps.
>>> >> >> >> I
>>> >> >> >> really really do.
>>>
>>> >> >> > I'm posting this to aus.cars :-)
>>>
>>> >> >> > Noddy will have a field day with this. :-)
>>>
>>> >> >> > Oz
>>>
>>> >> >> Truly, truly brilliant trolling.
>>>
>>> >> > The people of Usenet never cease to amaze me with their
>>> >> > gullibility.
>>> >> > Until yesterday afternoon, I couldn't tell you what a V8 Supercar
>>> >> > was,
>>> >> > let alone a catalytic convertor or a conrod bolt. Yet all I had to
>>> >> > do
>>> >> > was perform a simple 5 minute google search, to read up and reply
>>> >> > with
>>> >> > terms like exhaust valves and internal combustion engines,and for
>>> >> > some
>>> >> > reason suddenly I'm an expert worthy of several replies wanting to
>>> >> > debate me. And then by the next day, people have downloaded and
>>> >> > read
>>> >> > the entire V8 Supercar technical specifications, and are quoting
>>> >> > sections verbatum to try (unsuccessfully) to prove what I typed was
>>> >> > wrong. And presumably, these are people who live and breathe V8
>>> >> > Supercars. This goes a long way to prove the lack of intelligence
>>> >> > level of V8 Supercar fans.
>>>
>>> >> Nice way to make fiends and influence people there TG'sFM :-)
>>>
>>> >> It seems that your running scared as this is the first time I have
>>> >> seen
>>> >> you
>>> >> admit to being nothing more than a troll, maybe your the one that
>>> >> should
>>> >> think before you type in future :-)
>>>
>>> >> Oz
>>>
>>> > I've NEVER claimed to be anything moe than a troll. The problem
>>> > appears to be with people who think there is something wrong with
>>> > being a troll? And the ONLY reason that is, is because they lack the
>>> > skill and intelligence required to be a successful one. That is all.
>>>
>>> Hi Moe.
>>
>>
>> Hi Spot.
>> What these morons don't realise is that trolls are taking the piss out
>> of them because the ONLY thing in their life is a usenet newsgroup
>> discussing racing car exhaust systems. What a wonderful fullfilling
>> life they must have - NOT.
>
> I agree, Moe. Real men ride motorbikes.

As oppossed to the ONLY thing in someones life being trolling? ROFL, visit
RL sometime :P

[Ext User(HeadRush)]

"RainbowWarrior" <paulie@pizza.com.nz> wrote in message
news:5GyBh.135$8U4.122@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
> "Ozz" <OZ@yellowbrickroad.com> wrote in message
> news:45d63ce5$0$1147$61c65585@un-2park-reader-01.sydney.pipenetworks.com.au...
>>
>> "TG'sFM" <suvvdj@yahoo.fr> wrote in message
>> news:1171620883.367459.227590@v45g2000cwv.googlegr oups.com...
>>> On Feb 16, 8:04 pm, "HeadRush" <( . )( . )@(_!_).com> wrote:
>>>> "TG'sFM" <suv...@yahoo.fr> wrote in message
>>>>
>>>> news:1171616332.679330.34910@t69g2000cwt.googlegro ups.com...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> > On Feb 16, 6:46 pm, "HeadRush" <( . )( . )@(_!_).com> wrote:
>>>> >> "TG'sFM" <suv...@yahoo.fr> wrote in message
>>>>
>>>> >>news:1171613893.095363.251900@p10g2000cwp.googlegr oups.com...
>>>>
>>>> >> > On Feb 16, 6:00 pm, "HeadRush" <( . )( . )@(_!_).com> wrote:
>>>> >> >> They launched the V8 Supercar Championship series on Sunrise
>>>> >> >> yesterday.
>>>> >> >> It
>>>> >> >> was all about "the thundering V8s", "the roar of the big V8s",
>>>> >> >> "the
>>>> >> >> excitement of the V8s shooting down the straight".
>>>>
>>>> >> >> Berretta's grin went from ear to ear as he showed off his V8
>>>> >> >> Supercar
>>>> >> >> driver's outfit with his own belt insignia. Later a beaming
>>>> >> >> Kochie
>>>> >> >> appeared
>>>> >> >> also dressed in a V8 drivers outfit with "Kochie" emblazoned on
>>>> >> >> his
>>>> >> >> belt.
>>>>
>>>> >> >> The whole show was pathetically dedicated to promoting the V8
>>>> >> >> Supercar
>>>> >> >> series because 7 have the broadcast rights.
>>>>
>>>> >> >> So what happened to the Sunrise Cool The Globe
>>>> >> >> initiative.?http://cooltheglobe.com/article?article=14"It would
>>>> >> >> be
>>>> >> >> wrong
>>>> >> >> of Sunrise to
>>>> >> >> report on the consequences of global warming without ourselves
>>>> >> >> taking
>>>> >> >> steps
>>>> >> >> to fix it."
>>>>
>>>> >> >> From the V8 Supercars website, the estimated fuel consumption of
>>>> >> >> just
>>>> >> >> one
>>>> >> >> Holden Commodore over the 1,000Klm Bathurst race meet: - race
>>>> >> >> cars -
>>>> >> >> 3.6
>>>> >> >> litres per lap, 50 laps practice, 350km completed before start of
>>>> >> >> 161
>>>> >> >> lap
>>>> >> >> race - estimated consumption 759.6 litres per race car.
>>>>
>>>> >> >> There are 31 cars in the Supercar Series and for Bathurst, that's
>>>> >> >> a
>>>> >> >> total
>>>> >> >> of
>>>> >> >> 23,560 litres of fuel burned into the atmosphere. <snip>
>>>>
>>>> >> > That's a very good argument, except for one thing. That 23.560
>>>> >> > litres
>>>> >> > of fuel doesn't get "burned into the atmosphere", it gets burned
>>>> >> > inside the engines. That's why they are called "internal
>>>> >> > combustion
>>>> >> > engines". In modern cars, (and certainly in V8 Supercars) there
>>>> >> > is
>>>> >> > absolutely NO unburned fuel, as that is what cataletic convertors
>>>> >> > are
>>>> >> > for - to trap and re-use any unburnt fuel that gets past the
>>>> >> > exhaust
>>>> >> > valves. What gases that does escape the exhaust is relatively
>>>> >> > harmless considering the small number of cars in such a big
>>>> >> > racetrack. You COULD argue about all the polution that the
>>>> >> > spectators
>>>> >> > vehicles are causing, but then you just can't pick on racing
>>>> >> > events,
>>>> >> > you'd have to also include (and presumably you'd want to ban) ANY
>>>> >> > event that draws a croud, including Sunday mass.
>>>>
>>>> >> WOW! You sure do know your stuff. I'd never heard of this
>>>> >> 'cataletic'
>>>> >> convertor you talk of that traps and re-uses any unburnt fuel. I
>>>> >> really
>>>> >> should do more research before posting.
>>>>
>>>> > As should I, because I spelt it wrongly. But you see my point.
>>>> > Nowhere near the amount of fuel as you claim is burnt into the
>>>> > atmosphere. Hope that helps. And yes, it'd be swell if you did some
>>>> > research before posting in futurer.
>>>>
>>>> "Spelt it wrongly"? Oh, did you mean catalytic converter? Well, I'm
>>>> afraid
>>>> yet again, your post, like many before it, is not worth the ink it was
>>>> written in.
>>>>
>>>> V8 Supercars don't have to be equipped with catalytic converters.
>>>> Please
>>>> refer to the the V8 Supercar Operations Manual, in the Division "C"
>>>> Technical Rules, section 8.9 - Exhaust Systems.
>>>>
>>>> 8.9.8 "All Cars must be fitted with effective mufflers which diminish
>>>> the
>>>> sound of the engine exhaust so that the maximum exhaust noise does not
>>>> exceed 95dB(A) measured at 30 metres from the side of the track by
>>>> approved
>>>> measuring equipment."
>>>>
>>>> No mention of catalytic, or cataletic converters in the whole manual.
>>>
>>> I wouldn't expect there would be any mention of them, as they are an
>>> integral part of the engine. I assume they don't mention things like
>>> the tension settings of the forward conrod bolt to the 7th piston
>>> either. These things are set by the engine manufacturer to give the
>>> engine the ultimate in power and reliability. By removing the
>>> catalytic convertor, would be the same as removing the forward conrod
>>> bolt to the 7th piston - in other words, the engine would fail. You
>>> made the mistake of thinking that the catalytic convertor is part of
>>> the muffler system, which is what a lot of people wrongly think.
>>> (Yes, "wrongly" actually *IS* a real word - shakes head) Simply put,
>>> the catalytic convertor traps any unburnt fuel that passes the exhast
>>> valves, and injects it with oxygen which ignights it, pushing the
>>> vapours (and force) back into the inlet chamber, to in effect, getting
>>> more performance out of the engine. The exhast system STARTS at the
>>> outlet of the catalytic convertor. In v8 supercars, the catalytic
>>> convertor forms part of the exhast manifolds. Hope that helps. I
>>> really really do.
>>
>> I'm posting this to aus.cars :-)
>>
>> Noddy will have a field day with this. :-)
>>
>> Oz
>
> Cool while we are banning motor racing for enviromental reasons, lets
> consider how many tree's each year are cut down for shopping centres, golf
> courses & football fields........

The discussion wasn't about banning motor racing for environmental reasons,
it's about the hypocrisy of the Sunrise program for enthusiastically
promoting such a gas-guzzling, greenhouse-effect-contributing sport, when
they are forever preaching the Cool The Globe initiative....hence the
subject heading.

HR