ffs, its 28deg C and she sits for 15-18 mins in a 4wd with aircon <guh>

[Ext User(Mike)]

Sitting outside a fish and chip shop in Glendalough (perth),

4wd rolls up into parking spot but leaves engine running for
around 15 to 18 min - and its a V8 range rover recent model,
so I'm wondering what she is doing totally blissfully unaware
how much fuel its using running the air con, which I can
hear cycling, only its less than 28 deg C outside. So eventually
she turns off engine, climbs out and shes like 4 ft 8" tall, rather
rotund and sweating, maybe I'll be sympathetic and consider she
has a diabetic condition and that wasted petrol isnt to worry
about. She's gone 5 min, comes back starts up the rover, revs it
silly before engaging and lurches off somewhat briskly in a
small carpark thats still 1/4 occupied, around an almost blind corner
behind a caltex, maybe I was wrong and I shouldnt be so sympathetic,
or rather consider she was pathetic...


--
Regards
Mike
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and now with auto 10-15 min timer for engine illumination option.
* VN, VP, VR Models with relay holder in progress.
* Twin Tyres to suit most sedans, trikes and motorcycle sidecars
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[Ext User(John_H)]

Mike wrote:

>Sitting outside a fish and chip shop in Glendalough (perth),
>
>4wd rolls up into parking spot but leaves engine running for
>around 15 to 18 min - and its a V8 range rover recent model,
>so I'm wondering what she is doing totally blissfully unaware
>how much fuel its using running the air con, which I can
>hear cycling, only its less than 28 deg C outside. So eventually
>she turns off engine, climbs out and shes like 4 ft 8" tall, rather
>rotund and sweating, maybe I'll be sympathetic and consider she
>has a diabetic condition and that wasted petrol isnt to worry
>about. She's gone 5 min, comes back starts up the rover, revs it
>silly before engaging and lurches off somewhat briskly in a
>small carpark thats still 1/4 occupied, around an almost blind corner
>behind a caltex, maybe I was wrong and I shouldnt be so sympathetic,
>or rather consider she was pathetic...

Wonder why she turned it off! I see plenty leave their engines
running while they do their shopping.

The irony is if you park your car with the windows 20mm down it's a
$30 fine, but it's quite OK to leave the engine running so long as the
doors are locked and the windows fully closed. That's in Q BTW (where
the tropical sun mainly affects the law makers.)

--
John H

[Ext User(the_dawggie)]

On Feb 19, 5:32 am, eraz...@iinet.net.au (Mike) wrote:

> Sitting outside a fish and chip shop in Glendalough (perth),

> 4wd rolls up into parking spot but leaves engine running for
> around 15 to 18 min - and its a V8 range rover recent model,
> so I'm wondering what she is doing totally blissfully unaware
> how much fuel its using running the air con, which I can
> hear cycling, only its less than 28 deg C outside. So eventually
> she turns off engine, climbs out and shes like 4 ft 8" tall, rather
> rotund and sweating, maybe I'll be sympathetic and consider she
> has a diabetic condition and that wasted petrol isnt to worry
> about. She's gone 5 min, comes back starts up the rover, revs it
> silly before engaging and lurches off somewhat briskly in a
> small carpark thats still 1/4 occupied, around an almost blind corner
> behind a caltex, maybe I was wrong and I shouldnt be so sympathetic,
> or rather consider she was pathetic...

I'd do that with my diesel using bugger all of renewable biodiesel.

I would certainly not do it with a V8 petrol engine. Speaking
of which, sometime this year gotta help a mate swap out a 3.5 V8
for a 4BDI 3.9 diesel (got the engine, need to find an appropriate
turbo for it) in his Series 3 long wheel base thingy. The V8 drinks
petrol the same rate as a group of folk at a BBQ would beer.

Saudi Arabia it was, prolly still is, quite a common practice.

Curious as to why sweating though, meybe A/C
only partially working? John and I could fix that
bit at least :-)

[Ext User(Kev)]

> Curious as to why sweating though, meybe A/C
> only partially working? John and I could fix that
> bit at least :-)
>

Maybe she was having a very intimate phone conversation at the time that
left her a little flushed

Kev

[Ext User(Mike)]

In article <m9dht2pf1b6p0q9cee4gnpdt2q8dgsnppt@4ax.com>, john4721@inbox.com says...

>The irony is if you park your car with the windows 20mm down it's a
>$30 fine, but it's quite OK to leave the engine running so long as the
>doors are locked and the windows fully closed. That's in Q BTW (where
>the tropical sun mainly affects the law makers.)

Beg pardon, you get a fine for leaving the windows a little open - why ?

Or is this qld where you can get a fine for changing the cheap water hoses
on a car for far better braided units ?

But a fine for opening a window, thats weird, is that because the engine
is off, would the fine be there if its running, presumably if you are in
the car then no fine, I dont get it ?


--
Regards
Mike
* VK/VL Commodore FuseRails that wont warp or melt with fuse failure indication
and now with auto 10-15 min timer for engine illumination option.
* VN, VP, VR Models with relay holder in progress.
* Twin Tyres to suit most sedans, trikes and motorcycle sidecars
http://niche.iinet.net.au

[Ext User(RainbowWarrior)]

"Mike" <erazmus@iinet.net.au> wrote in message
news:45d91a73$0$13737$5a62ac22@per-qv1-newsreader-01.iinet.net.au...
> In article <m9dht2pf1b6p0q9cee4gnpdt2q8dgsnppt@4ax.com>,
> john4721@inbox.com says...
>
>>The irony is if you park your car with the windows 20mm down it's a
>>$30 fine, but it's quite OK to leave the engine running so long as the
>>doors are locked and the windows fully closed. That's in Q BTW (where
>>the tropical sun mainly affects the law makers.)
>
> Beg pardon, you get a fine for leaving the windows a little open - why ?
>
> Or is this qld where you can get a fine for changing the cheap water hoses
> on a car for far better braided units ?

So the braiding prevents the rubber inside decaying somehow?
I had heard the exact opposite that many braided hoses had thinner rubber
walls and only were good for a few years (which was fine for the Car Show
users who would replace them regularly anyways), any 20yo braided hoses
still on cars we know of?
Thought the braiding would protect them longer of course if you are prone to
throwing sharp objects around your engine bay.



>
> But a fine for opening a window, thats weird, is that because the engine
> is off, would the fine be there if its running, presumably if you are in
> the car then no fine, I dont get it ?
>
>
> --
> Regards
> Mike
> * VK/VL Commodore FuseRails that wont warp or melt with fuse failure
> indication
> and now with auto 10-15 min timer for engine illumination option.
> * VN, VP, VR Models with relay holder in progress.
> * Twin Tyres to suit most sedans, trikes and motorcycle sidecars
> http://niche.iinet.net.au
>

[Ext User(RainbowWarrior)]

"the_dawggie" <the_dawggie@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1171843272.307401.295270@j27g2000cwj.googlegr oups.com...
> On Feb 19, 5:32 am, eraz...@iinet.net.au (Mike) wrote:
>
>> Sitting outside a fish and chip shop in Glendalough (perth),
>
>> 4wd rolls up into parking spot but leaves engine running for
>> around 15 to 18 min - and its a V8 range rover recent model,
>> so I'm wondering what she is doing totally blissfully unaware
>> how much fuel its using running the air con, which I can
>> hear cycling, only its less than 28 deg C outside. So eventually
>> she turns off engine, climbs out and shes like 4 ft 8" tall, rather
>> rotund and sweating, maybe I'll be sympathetic and consider she
>> has a diabetic condition and that wasted petrol isnt to worry
>> about. She's gone 5 min, comes back starts up the rover, revs it
>> silly before engaging and lurches off somewhat briskly in a
>> small carpark thats still 1/4 occupied, around an almost blind corner
>> behind a caltex, maybe I was wrong and I shouldnt be so sympathetic,
>> or rather consider she was pathetic...
>
> I'd do that with my diesel using bugger all of renewable biodiesel.
>
> I would certainly not do it with a V8 petrol engine. Speaking
> of which, sometime this year gotta help a mate swap out a 3.5 V8
> for a 4BDI 3.9 diesel (got the engine, need to find an appropriate
> turbo for it) in his Series 3 long wheel base thingy. The V8 drinks
> petrol the same rate as a group of folk at a BBQ would beer.

That's probably because most owners retain the standard factory ignition and
think they are carby experts, it's certainly more efficient than a 351
idling away and I'd say well tuned on par with any 3.5litre petrol 6 cyl
around. hough the 3.5 could be working a bit harder I suppose, to keep
moving the 2 tonne of 4wd and 1tonne of accessories most people add.
My Rangie actually became better on fuel and more power of course when I
ditched the 3.5 for a 3.9V8 still on carbies too.
The 3.9 Izuzu diesel turbo is a good conversion though for them, even the
3.9 by it self isn't bad


>
> Saudi Arabia it was, prolly still is, quite a common practice.
>
> Curious as to why sweating though, meybe A/C
> only partially working? John and I could fix that
> bit at least :-)
>

[Ext User(David Z)]

"John_H" <john4721@inbox.com> wrote in message
news:m9dht2pf1b6p0q9cee4gnpdt2q8dgsnppt@4ax.com...
> Mike wrote:
>
>>Sitting outside a fish and chip shop in Glendalough (perth),
>>
>>4wd rolls up into parking spot but leaves engine running for
>>around 15 to 18 min - and its a V8 range rover recent model,
>>so I'm wondering what she is doing totally blissfully unaware
>>how much fuel its using running the air con, which I can
>>hear cycling, only its less than 28 deg C outside. So eventually
>>she turns off engine, climbs out and shes like 4 ft 8" tall, rather
>>rotund and sweating, maybe I'll be sympathetic and consider she
>>has a diabetic condition and that wasted petrol isnt to worry
>>about. She's gone 5 min, comes back starts up the rover, revs it
>>silly before engaging and lurches off somewhat briskly in a
>>small carpark thats still 1/4 occupied, around an almost blind corner
>>behind a caltex, maybe I was wrong and I shouldnt be so sympathetic,
>>or rather consider she was pathetic...
>
> Wonder why she turned it off! I see plenty leave their engines
> running while they do their shopping.
>
> The irony is if you park your car with the windows 20mm down it's a
> $30 fine, but it's quite OK to leave the engine running so long as the
> doors are locked and the windows fully closed. That's in

Er, what you say makes no sense at all. How can someone leave their car,
lock the doors, and have the key in the ignition running the engine, all at
the same time?

[Ext User(the_dawggie)]

On Feb 19, 7:53 pm, "David Z" <d...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> "John_H" <john4...@inbox.com> wrote in message
>
> news:m9dht2pf1b6p0q9cee4gnpdt2q8dgsnppt@4ax.com...
>
>
>
> > Mike wrote:
>
> >>Sitting outside a fish and chip shop in Glendalough (perth),
>
> >>4wd rolls up into parking spot but leaves engine running for
> >>around 15 to 18 min - and its a V8 range rover recent model,
> >>so I'm wondering what she is doing totally blissfully unaware
> >>how much fuel its using running the air con, which I can
> >>hear cycling, only its less than 28 deg C outside. So eventually
> >>she turns off engine, climbs out and shes like 4 ft 8" tall, rather
> >>rotund and sweating, maybe I'll be sympathetic and consider she
> >>has a diabetic condition and that wasted petrol isnt to worry
> >>about. She's gone 5 min, comes back starts up the rover, revs it
> >>silly before engaging and lurches off somewhat briskly in a
> >>small carpark thats still 1/4 occupied, around an almost blind corner
> >>behind a caltex, maybe I was wrong and I shouldnt be so sympathetic,
> >>or rather consider she was pathetic...
>
> > Wonder why she turned it off! I see plenty leave their engines
> > running while they do their shopping.
>
> > The irony is if you park your car with the windows 20mm down it's a
> > $30 fine, but it's quite OK to leave the engine running so long as the
> > doors are locked and the windows fully closed. That's in
>
> Er, what you say makes no sense at all. How can someone leave their car,
> lock the doors, and have the key in the ignition running the engine, all at
> the same time?


Urrr we not thinking today? moment.

Ferpectly possible.

I've errr ... umm done it, in work car park a few years back and
wandered off to find spare key for car door which was in the office.

[Ext User(David Z)]

"the_dawggie" <the_dawggie@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1171876362.291020.114460@s48g2000cws.googlegr oups.com...
> On Feb 19, 7:53 pm, "David Z" <d...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> "John_H" <john4...@inbox.com> wrote in message
>>
>> news:m9dht2pf1b6p0q9cee4gnpdt2q8dgsnppt@4ax.com...
>>
>>
>>
>> > Mike wrote:
>>
>> >>Sitting outside a fish and chip shop in Glendalough (perth),
>>
>> >>4wd rolls up into parking spot but leaves engine running for
>> >>around 15 to 18 min - and its a V8 range rover recent model,
>> >>so I'm wondering what she is doing totally blissfully unaware
>> >>how much fuel its using running the air con, which I can
>> >>hear cycling, only its less than 28 deg C outside. So eventually
>> >>she turns off engine, climbs out and shes like 4 ft 8" tall, rather
>> >>rotund and sweating, maybe I'll be sympathetic and consider she
>> >>has a diabetic condition and that wasted petrol isnt to worry
>> >>about. She's gone 5 min, comes back starts up the rover, revs it
>> >>silly before engaging and lurches off somewhat briskly in a
>> >>small carpark thats still 1/4 occupied, around an almost blind corner
>> >>behind a caltex, maybe I was wrong and I shouldnt be so sympathetic,
>> >>or rather consider she was pathetic...
>>
>> > Wonder why she turned it off! I see plenty leave their engines
>> > running while they do their shopping.
>>
>> > The irony is if you park your car with the windows 20mm down it's a
>> > $30 fine, but it's quite OK to leave the engine running so long as the
>> > doors are locked and the windows fully closed. That's in
>>
>> Er, what you say makes no sense at all. How can someone leave their car,
>> lock the doors, and have the key in the ignition running the engine, all
>> at
>> the same time?
>
>
> Urrr we not thinking today? moment.
>
> Ferpectly possible.
>
> I've errr ... umm done it, in work car park a few years back and
> wandered off to find spare key for car door which was in the office.

I didn't say it wasn't possible, just highly unlikely/unusual. Who carries
two sets of car keys with them all the time?

[Ext User(the_dawggie)]

On Feb 19, 9:01 pm, "David Z" <d...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> "the_dawggie" <the_dawg...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:1171876362.291020.114460@s48g2000cws.googlegr oups.com...
>
>
>
> > On Feb 19, 7:53 pm, "David Z" <d...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >> "John_H" <john4...@inbox.com> wrote in message
>
> >>news:m9dht2pf1b6p0q9cee4gnpdt2q8dgsnppt@4ax.com...
>
> >> > Mike wrote:
>
> >> >>Sitting outside a fish and chip shop in Glendalough (perth),
>
> >> >>4wd rolls up into parking spot but leaves engine running for
> >> >>around 15 to 18 min - and its a V8 range rover recent model,
> >> >>so I'm wondering what she is doing totally blissfully unaware
> >> >>how much fuel its using running the air con, which I can
> >> >>hear cycling, only its less than 28 deg C outside. So eventually
> >> >>she turns off engine, climbs out and shes like 4 ft 8" tall, rather
> >> >>rotund and sweating, maybe I'll be sympathetic and consider she
> >> >>has a diabetic condition and that wasted petrol isnt to worry
> >> >>about. She's gone 5 min, comes back starts up the rover, revs it
> >> >>silly before engaging and lurches off somewhat briskly in a
> >> >>small carpark thats still 1/4 occupied, around an almost blind corner
> >> >>behind a caltex, maybe I was wrong and I shouldnt be so sympathetic,
> >> >>or rather consider she was pathetic...
>
> >> > Wonder why she turned it off! I see plenty leave their engines
> >> > running while they do their shopping.
>
> >> > The irony is if you park your car with the windows 20mm down it's a
> >> > $30 fine, but it's quite OK to leave the engine running so long as the
> >> > doors are locked and the windows fully closed. That's in
>
> >> Er, what you say makes no sense at all. How can someone leave their car,
> >> lock the doors, and have the key in the ignition running the engine, all
> >> at
> >> the same time?
>
> > Urrr we not thinking today? moment.
>
> > Ferpectly possible.
>
> > I've errr ... umm done it, in work car park a few years back and
> > wandered off to find spare key for car door which was in the office.
>
> I didn't say it wasn't possible, just highly unlikely/unusual. Who carries
> two sets of car keys with them all the time?


You don't. Just one stored at each location you would
likely to be at.

Spares @ home and work. Otherwise yep, fairly ferked.

That said, I can't put me paws on my home spare car key
with the trying to sell house shite going on ATM. That's
not too bad ... I won't be driving from my house if I don't
have a key for vehicle.

[Ext User(Noddy)]

"David Z" <dave@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:IzeCh.1001$8U4.420@news-server.bigpond.net.au...

>
> I didn't say it wasn't possible, just highly unlikely/unusual. Who
> carries two sets of car keys with them all the time?

Obviously not people who live in 24 degree Toorak :)

It may seem odd to a worldly travelled young man such as yourself, but there
are certain parts of the country where the environment demands people do
things a little differently than your average socialite in Toorak road :)

--
Regards,
Noddy.

[Ext User(Noddy)]

"Mike" <erazmus@iinet.net.au> wrote in message
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> Beg pardon, you get a fine for leaving the windows a little open - why ?

The car's not "secure".

It's an offense (in Victoria at least) to leave an unlocked or otherwise
unsecure car parked in a public place.

> But a fine for opening a window, thats weird, is that because the engine
> is off, would the fine be there if its running, presumably if you are in
> the car then no fine, I dont get it ?

It's not a fine for opening a window, but rather leaving the vehicle without
closing it :)

The argument is that by doing so, you present an oportunity for theft that
might not otherwise be there if the vehcile was obviously secure. It's no
different to leaving your house to just nick around to the local shop and
leaving your front door ajar. If some theif happens to witness this and
decides to act on it, it could be seen by some as your own stupid fault.

Insurance companies mostly :)

--
Regards,
Noddy.

[Ext User(the_dawggie)]

On Feb 19, 5:39 pm, "RainbowWarrior" <pau...@pizza.com.nz> wrote:
> "the_dawggie" <the_dawg...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:1171843272.307401.295270@j27g2000cwj.googlegr oups.com...
>
>
>
> > On Feb 19, 5:32 am, eraz...@iinet.net.au (Mike) wrote:
>
> >> Sitting outside a fish and chip shop in Glendalough (perth),
>
> >> 4wd rolls up into parking spot but leaves engine running for
> >> around 15 to 18 min - and its a V8 range rover recent model,
> >> so I'm wondering what she is doing totally blissfully unaware
> >> how much fuel its using running the air con, which I can
> >> hear cycling, only its less than 28 deg C outside. So eventually
> >> she turns off engine, climbs out and shes like 4 ft 8" tall, rather
> >> rotund and sweating, maybe I'll be sympathetic and consider she
> >> has a diabetic condition and that wasted petrol isnt to worry
> >> about. She's gone 5 min, comes back starts up the rover, revs it
> >> silly before engaging and lurches off somewhat briskly in a
> >> small carpark thats still 1/4 occupied, around an almost blind corner
> >> behind a caltex, maybe I was wrong and I shouldnt be so sympathetic,
> >> or rather consider she was pathetic...
>
> > I'd do that with my diesel using bugger all of renewable biodiesel.
>
> > I would certainly not do it with a V8 petrol engine. Speaking
> > of which, sometime this year gotta help a mate swap out a 3.5 V8
> > for a 4BDI 3.9 diesel (got the engine, need to find an appropriate
> > turbo for it) in his Series 3 long wheel base thingy. The V8 drinks
> > petrol the same rate as a group of folk at a BBQ would beer.
>
> That's probably because most owners retain the standard factory ignition and
> think they are carby experts, it's certainly more efficient than a 351
> idling away and I'd say well tuned on par with any 3.5litre petrol 6 cyl
> around. hough the 3.5 could be working a bit harder I suppose, to keep
> moving the 2 tonne of 4wd and 1tonne of accessories most people add.
> My Rangie actually became better on fuel and more power of course when I
> ditched the 3.5 for a 3.9V8 still on carbies too.
> The 3.9 Izuzu diesel turbo is a good conversion though for them, even the
> 3.9 by it self isn't bad

He fecked orf the dual whatever the OEM (Solex?) carb crap was, and
welded a Holley onto the manifold. It's a lot better, but far from
good.

The diesel engine should sort things.

Yeah, it's a rather large and heavy vehicle though... and a bit of a
project
for the engine conversion.

Interestingly the vehicle came originally with the diesel, from
factory
however the 2nd, 3rd, 4th whatever hand car "dealer" figured they
could make more money with pulling an engine swap and selling
both separate. Not exactly the movie "The Big Steal" ... however.

Pissing about re-welding engine mounts will kinda suck. All works
out in the end though - those diesel engines were not that cheap
at the time he bought the vehicle.

[Ext User(John_H)]

Mike wrote:
>
>In article <m9dht2pf1b6p0q9cee4gnpdt2q8dgsnppt@4ax.com>, john4721@inbox.com says...
>>
>>The irony is if you park your car with the windows 20mm down it's a
>>$30 fine, but it's quite OK to leave the engine running so long as the
>>doors are locked and the windows fully closed. That's in Q BTW (where
>>the tropical sun mainly affects the law makers.)
>
>Beg pardon, you get a fine for leaving the windows a little open - why ?

Presumably because it makes it easier to break in! The recently
introduced law requires a parked car to be locked with the windows
fully wound up if the occupants are more than 4 metres away.

It's been vigorously policed where I am -- in the tropics, which is
where most people previously left their cars parked with the windows
slightly open to provide air circulation.

>
>Or is this qld where you can get a fine for changing the cheap water hoses
>on a car for far better braided units ?

Dunno what the current situation is with Earl's hoses, but I certainly
see cars with them fitted.

>
>But a fine for opening a window, thats weird, is that because the engine
>is off, would the fine be there if its running, presumably if you are in
>the car then no fine, I dont get it ?

The point is you can legally leave a car parked with the engine
running (and plenty do) provided the windows are wound up and the
doors locked. The fine is for leaving the car unsecured.

--
John H

[Ext User(atec 77)]

John_H wrote:
> Mike wrote:
>> In article <m9dht2pf1b6p0q9cee4gnpdt2q8dgsnppt@4ax.com>, john4721@inbox.com says...
>>> The irony is if you park your car with the windows 20mm down it's a
>>> $30 fine, but it's quite OK to leave the engine running so long as the
>>> doors are locked and the windows fully closed. That's in Q BTW (where
>>> the tropical sun mainly affects the law makers.)
>> Beg pardon, you get a fine for leaving the windows a little open - why ?
>
> Presumably because it makes it easier to break in! The recently
> introduced law requires a parked car to be locked with the windows
> fully wound up if the occupants are more than 4 metres away.
>
> It's been vigorously policed where I am -- in the tropics, which is
> where most people previously left their cars parked with the windows
> slightly open to provide air circulation.
>
>> Or is this qld where you can get a fine for changing the cheap water hoses
>> on a car for far better braided units ?
>
> Dunno what the current situation is with Earl's hoses, but I certainly
> see cars with them fitted.
>
>> But a fine for opening a window, thats weird, is that because the engine
>> is off, would the fine be there if its running, presumably if you are in
>> the car then no fine, I dont get it ?
>
> The point is you can legally leave a car parked with the engine
> running (and plenty do) provided the windows are wound up and the
> doors locked. The fine is for leaving the car unsecured.
>
Silly situation , a raised window might cause another 20 seconds delay
on most cars to illegal entry .

[Ext User(eeviil inc.)]

Noddy wrote:
> "David Z" <dave@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:IzeCh.1001$8U4.420@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
>
>
>>I didn't say it wasn't possible, just highly unlikely/unusual. Who
>>carries two sets of car keys with them all the time?
>
>
> Obviously not people who live in 24 degree Toorak :)
>
> It may seem odd to a worldly travelled young man such as yourself, but there
> are certain parts of the country where the environment demands people do
> things a little differently than your average socialite in Toorak road :)
>
> --
> Regards,
> Noddy.
>
>
That's enough, don't tell him too much about the real world, you will
scare him and his hahahonda half to death.

Cheers
Adam

[Ext User(John McKenzie)]

Noddy wrote:
>
> "Mike" <erazmus@iinet.net.au> wrote in message
> news:45d91a73$0$13737$5a62ac22@per-qv1-newsreader-01.iinet.net.au...
>
> > Beg pardon, you get a fine for leaving the windows a little open - why ?
>
> The car's not "secure".
>
> It's an offense (in Victoria at least) to leave an unlocked or otherwise
> unsecure car parked in a public place.

You know what really shits me? Lock the car, and if there's anything
valuable in there, they'll fuck up the lock or the window to get it.
Leave it unlocked so at least they don't do that, and leave nothing in
it worth taking (they admittedly won't realise that till they check the
glovebox etc) and you don't suffer as much but are technically commiting
an offense......
>
> It's not a fine for opening a window, but rather leaving the vehicle without
> closing it :)

Except of course if you are leaving a baby in it, in the casino car
park......


> The argument is that by doing so, you present an oportunity for theft that
> might not otherwise be there if the vehcile was obviously secure.

And might not otherwise happen if people weren't so proud of raising
their kids to become cunts, there was a time (before I was born, so I am
told) that theiving from ordinary working people was to be considered a
shameful act indeed.

It's no
> different to leaving your house to just nick around to the local shop and
> leaving your front door ajar. If some theif happens to witness this and
> decides to act on it, it could be seen by some as your own stupid fault.

What suburb doesn't need a couple of pitbulls roaming free, getting up
to mischeif?

> Insurance companies mostly :)

Which probably deserve the rep that the pitbulls currently have.


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[Ext User(Patrick)]

John McKenzie wrote:
> Noddy wrote:


>
>> Insurance companies mostly :)
>
> Which probably deserve the rep that the pitbulls currently have.
>
>

Are you saying insurance companies should have a better rep than at present?

[Ext User(Noddy)]

"atec 77" <""atec77 \"@ hotmail.com"> wrote in message
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> Silly situation , a raised window might cause another 20 seconds delay on
> most cars to illegal entry .

If someone *really* wants to get into your car they will, but leaving a
window open/door unlocked presents a target of opportunity that might not
otherwise draw attention to itself.

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