[The Age] Truckie tailgaters dicing with death

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http://www.theage.com.au/news/national/truckie-tailgaters-dicing-with-death/2007/03/31/1174761817952.html

and not just (some) trucks.

[Ext User(John_H)]

catsndogs wrote:

>http://www.theage.com.au/news/national/truckie-tailgaters-dicing-with-death/2007/03/31/1174761817952.html
>
>and not just (some) trucks.

Just (one) apparently....

"On the way to the tunnel, he noticed a semi-trailer on the Monash
Freeway doing about 110km/h (10km/h above the limit) in the right
lane, only six or seven metres behind a car."

And speeding to boot (the bastard).

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http://satin.sensation.net.au/rowan/tailgate.jpg

Snapped over my shoulder a few months ago. This situation is not
uncommon, unfortunately.

[Ext User(Daryl Walford)]

John_H wrote:
> catsndogs wrote:
>
>> http://www.theage.com.au/news/national/truckie-tailgaters-dicing-with-death/2007/03/31/1174761817952.html
>>
>> and not just (some) trucks.
>
> Just (one) apparently....
>
> "On the way to the tunnel, he noticed a semi-trailer on the Monash
> Freeway doing about 110km/h (10km/h above the limit) in the right
> lane, only six or seven metres behind a car."
>

If the truck was doing 110 "on the way to the tunnel" he was exceeding
the speed limit by 30 not 10 because the limit is 80 for at least 3klm
before the tunnel.
The person who made that comment can't get their facts straight so I
don't give them too much credibility.
There is a problem with tailgating in Melb. and it certainly isn't
confined to trucks although I do understand why people get annoyed when
they get tailgated by a large truck.


Daryl

[Ext User(PHATRS)]

Daryl Walford wrote:
> John_H wrote:
>> catsndogs wrote:
>>
>>> http://www.theage.com.au/news/national/truckie-tailgaters-dicing-with-death/2007/03/31/1174761817952.html
>>>
>>>
>>> and not just (some) trucks.
>>
>> Just (one) apparently....
>>
>> "On the way to the tunnel, he noticed a semi-trailer on the Monash
>> Freeway doing about 110km/h (10km/h above the limit) in the right
>> lane, only six or seven metres behind a car."
>>
>
> If the truck was doing 110 "on the way to the tunnel" he was exceeding
> the speed limit by 30 not 10 because the limit is 80 for at least 3klm
> before the tunnel.
> The person who made that comment can't get their facts straight so I
> don't give them too much credibility.
> There is a problem with tailgating in Melb. and it certainly isn't
> confined to trucks although I do understand why people get annoyed when
> they get tailgated by a large truck.
>
>
> Daryl

There's almost zero evidence of defensive driving during peak hour in
Melbourne.

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to your dealer, or you will all be laminated, ." RV, melb.general

[Ext User(George W. Frost)]

"PHATRS" <nosp@m.thanks.mate> wrote in message
news:khk5e4-2hf.ln1@teri.unico.com.au...
> Daryl Walford wrote:
>> John_H wrote:
>>> catsndogs wrote:
>>>
>>>> http://www.theage.com.au/news/national/truckie-tailgaters-dicing-with-death/2007/03/31/1174761817952.html
>>>>
>>>> and not just (some) trucks.
>>>
>>> Just (one) apparently....
>>>
>>> "On the way to the tunnel, he noticed a semi-trailer on the Monash
>>> Freeway doing about 110km/h (10km/h above the limit) in the right
>>> lane, only six or seven metres behind a car."
>>>
>>
>> If the truck was doing 110 "on the way to the tunnel" he was exceeding
>> the speed limit by 30 not 10 because the limit is 80 for at least 3klm
>> before the tunnel.
>> The person who made that comment can't get their facts straight so I
>> don't give them too much credibility.
>> There is a problem with tailgating in Melb. and it certainly isn't
>> confined to trucks although I do understand why people get annoyed when
>> they get tailgated by a large truck.
>>
>>
>> Daryl
>
> There's almost zero evidence of defensive driving during peak hour in
> Melbourne.
>
> --
> Ben - Wipe off 25
>
> "My name is Korg from planet dyslexia, your arses are fruity, take me
> to your dealer, or you will all be laminated, ." RV, melb.general

Not only trucks that tailgate, the first one is a truck, second one a ricer

http://www.plus613.net/image/38104
This one taken on the Hume, 110 speed limit around Gundagai

This next near Gundagai, speed limit 110 and if you look closely, there is
not another car in sight, just your typical arse-blown ricer
http://www.plus613.net/image/38105

[Ext User(Poxy)]

George W. Frost wrote:
> "PHATRS" <nosp@m.thanks.mate> wrote in message
> news:khk5e4-2hf.ln1@teri.unico.com.au...
>> Daryl Walford wrote:
>>> John_H wrote:
>>>> catsndogs wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
http://www.theage.com.au/news/national/truckie-tailgaters-dicing-with-death/
2007/03/31/1174761817952.html
>>>>>
>>>>> and not just (some) trucks.
>>>>
>>>> Just (one) apparently....
>>>>
>>>> "On the way to the tunnel, he noticed a semi-trailer on the Monash
>>>> Freeway doing about 110km/h (10km/h above the limit) in the right
>>>> lane, only six or seven metres behind a car."
>>>>
>>>
>>> If the truck was doing 110 "on the way to the tunnel" he was
>>> exceeding the speed limit by 30 not 10 because the limit is 80 for
>>> at least 3klm before the tunnel.
>>> The person who made that comment can't get their facts straight so I
>>> don't give them too much credibility.
>>> There is a problem with tailgating in Melb. and it certainly isn't
>>> confined to trucks although I do understand why people get annoyed
>>> when they get tailgated by a large truck.
>>>
>>>
>>> Daryl
>>
>> There's almost zero evidence of defensive driving during peak hour in
>> Melbourne.
>>
>> --
>> Ben - Wipe off 25
>>
>> "My name is Korg from planet dyslexia, your arses are fruity, take me
>> to your dealer, or you will all be laminated, ." RV, melb.general
>
> Not only trucks that tailgate, the first one is a truck, second one a
> ricer
>
> http://www.plus613.net/image/38104
> This one taken on the Hume, 110 speed limit around Gundagai
>
> This next near Gundagai, speed limit 110 and if you look closely,
> there is not another car in sight, just your typical arse-blown ricer
> http://www.plus613.net/image/38105

If there are no other cars in sight, what are you doing in the right lane?

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"Poxy" <pox@poxmail.com> wrote in message news:46107b1c@dnews.tpgi.com.au...

> If there are no other cars in sight, what are you doing in the right lane?

:)

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[Ext User(DalienX)]

John_H wrote:

> "On the way to the tunnel, he noticed a semi-trailer on the Monash
> Freeway doing about 110km/h (10km/h above the limit) in the right
> lane, only six or seven metres behind a car."
>
> And speeding to boot (the bastard).

It's amazing how many trucks have the 100k speed limiter disabled..

[Ext User(Dan---)]

On Mon, 02 Apr 2007 05:14:57 +0000, DalienX PCM code reading says :

> John_H wrote:
>
>> "On the way to the tunnel, he noticed a semi-trailer on the Monash
>> Freeway doing about 110km/h (10km/h above the limit) in the right lane,
>> only six or seven metres behind a car."
>>
>> And speeding to boot (the bastard).
>
> It's amazing how many trucks have the 100k speed limiter disabled..

One of the trucks in my bosses fleet does not have a speed limiter because
its geared to a top speed of 85 kph. But that equals to bugger all top
speed a shit load of pulling power and atrocious fuel consumption. :-)

--
Regards
Dan

[Ext User(Daryl Walford)]

PHATRS wrote:
> Daryl Walford wrote:
>> John_H wrote:
>>> catsndogs wrote:
>>>
>>>> http://www.theage.com.au/news/national/truckie-tailgaters-dicing-with-death/2007/03/31/1174761817952.html
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> and not just (some) trucks.
>>>
>>> Just (one) apparently....
>>>
>>> "On the way to the tunnel, he noticed a semi-trailer on the Monash
>>> Freeway doing about 110km/h (10km/h above the limit) in the right
>>> lane, only six or seven metres behind a car."
>>>
>>
>> If the truck was doing 110 "on the way to the tunnel" he was exceeding
>> the speed limit by 30 not 10 because the limit is 80 for at least 3klm
>> before the tunnel.
>> The person who made that comment can't get their facts straight so I
>> don't give them too much credibility.
>> There is a problem with tailgating in Melb. and it certainly isn't
>> confined to trucks although I do understand why people get annoyed
>> when they get tailgated by a large truck.
>>
>>
>> Daryl
>
> There's almost zero evidence of defensive driving during peak hour in
> Melbourne.
>

Too true.
My mode of "defense" is driving a large truck:-)



Daryl

[Ext User(Daryl Walford)]

Poxy wrote:
> George W. Frost wrote:
>> "PHATRS" <nosp@m.thanks.mate> wrote in message
>> news:khk5e4-2hf.ln1@teri.unico.com.au...
>>> Daryl Walford wrote:
>>>> John_H wrote:
>>>>> catsndogs wrote:
>>>>>
> http://www.theage.com.au/news/national/truckie-tailgaters-dicing-with-death/
> 2007/03/31/1174761817952.html
>>>>>> and not just (some) trucks.
>>>>> Just (one) apparently....
>>>>>
>>>>> "On the way to the tunnel, he noticed a semi-trailer on the Monash
>>>>> Freeway doing about 110km/h (10km/h above the limit) in the right
>>>>> lane, only six or seven metres behind a car."
>>>>>
>>>> If the truck was doing 110 "on the way to the tunnel" he was
>>>> exceeding the speed limit by 30 not 10 because the limit is 80 for
>>>> at least 3klm before the tunnel.
>>>> The person who made that comment can't get their facts straight so I
>>>> don't give them too much credibility.
>>>> There is a problem with tailgating in Melb. and it certainly isn't
>>>> confined to trucks although I do understand why people get annoyed
>>>> when they get tailgated by a large truck.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Daryl
>>> There's almost zero evidence of defensive driving during peak hour in
>>> Melbourne.
>>>
>>> --
>>> Ben - Wipe off 25
>>>
>>> "My name is Korg from planet dyslexia, your arses are fruity, take me
>>> to your dealer, or you will all be laminated, ." RV, melb.general
>> Not only trucks that tailgate, the first one is a truck, second one a
>> ricer
>>
>> http://www.plus613.net/image/38104
>> This one taken on the Hume, 110 speed limit around Gundagai
>>
>> This next near Gundagai, speed limit 110 and if you look closely,
>> there is not another car in sight, just your typical arse-blown ricer
>> http://www.plus613.net/image/38105
>
> If there are no other cars in sight, what are you doing in the right lane?
>
>
>
>
From the photo it looks like the road has only got one lane in each
direction, which lane do you suggest he drives in?


Daryl

[Ext User(Daryl Walford)]

DalienX wrote:
> John_H wrote:
>
>> "On the way to the tunnel, he noticed a semi-trailer on the Monash
>> Freeway doing about 110km/h (10km/h above the limit) in the right
>> lane, only six or seven metres behind a car."
>>
>> And speeding to boot (the bastard).
>
> It's amazing how many trucks have the 100k speed limiter disabled..

Funny how my truck that is speed limited to exactly 100kph (tested with
a gps many times) overtakes lots of cars on freeways.
If car speedo's were a lot more accurate I doubt so many people would
assume that the trucks that overtake them have their limiters disabled.


Daryl

[Ext User(the_dawggie)]

On Apr 1, 8:38 am, "catsndogs" <m...@bark.com> wrote:
> http://www.theage.com.au/news/national/truckie-tailgaters-dicing-with...
>
> and not just (some) trucks.

Tunnel safety is targetted in NSW, and contact info advertised
from time to time on the VMS signs.

Trucks tailgating cars is just wrong and very silly.

[Ext User(Poxy)]

Daryl Walford wrote:
> Poxy wrote:
>> George W. Frost wrote:
>>> "PHATRS" <nosp@m.thanks.mate> wrote in message
>>> news:khk5e4-2hf.ln1@teri.unico.com.au...
>>>> Daryl Walford wrote:
>>>>> John_H wrote:
>>>>>> catsndogs wrote:
>>>>>>
>>
http://www.theage.com.au/news/national/truckie-tailgaters-dicing-with-death/
>> 2007/03/31/1174761817952.html
>>>>>>> and not just (some) trucks.
>>>>>> Just (one) apparently....
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "On the way to the tunnel, he noticed a semi-trailer on the
>>>>>> Monash Freeway doing about 110km/h (10km/h above the limit) in
>>>>>> the right lane, only six or seven metres behind a car."
>>>>>>
>>>>> If the truck was doing 110 "on the way to the tunnel" he was
>>>>> exceeding the speed limit by 30 not 10 because the limit is 80 for
>>>>> at least 3klm before the tunnel.
>>>>> The person who made that comment can't get their facts straight
>>>>> so I don't give them too much credibility.
>>>>> There is a problem with tailgating in Melb. and it certainly isn't
>>>>> confined to trucks although I do understand why people get annoyed
>>>>> when they get tailgated by a large truck.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Daryl
>>>> There's almost zero evidence of defensive driving during peak hour
>>>> in Melbourne.
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Ben - Wipe off 25
>>>>
>>>> "My name is Korg from planet dyslexia, your arses are fruity, take
>>>> me to your dealer, or you will all be laminated, ." RV,
>>>> melb.general
>>> Not only trucks that tailgate, the first one is a truck, second one
>>> a ricer
>>>
>>> http://www.plus613.net/image/38104
>>> This one taken on the Hume, 110 speed limit around Gundagai
>>>
>>> This next near Gundagai, speed limit 110 and if you look closely,
>>> there is not another car in sight, just your typical arse-blown
>>> ricer http://www.plus613.net/image/38105
>>
>> If there are no other cars in sight, what are you doing in the right
>> lane?
>>
>>
>>
>>
> From the photo it looks like the road has only got one lane in each
> direction, which lane do you suggest he drives in?

I'm referring to the second pic, and in reference to your question, which
packet of cereal did you get your licence from?

[Ext User(John_H)]

DalienX wrote:
>
>It's amazing how many trucks have the 100k speed limiter disabled..

Very few I would've thought... and not nearly as many as there are car
speedos that read 10kph high. :)

Not all trucks are speed limited though, and nor are they required to
be. In most states, if not all, a second speeding offence results in
an order to fit one if it's not original equipment. Much heavier
penalties apply for speeding offences in any truck fitted with a speed
limiter... including de-registration.

Nor is it necessary to prove it's been disabled or tampered with...
the onus is on the operator to ensure the speed limiter is operating
correctly.

--
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[Ext User(John McKenzie)]

John_H wrote:
>
> DalienX wrote:
> >
> >It's amazing how many trucks have the 100k speed limiter disabled..
>
> Very few I would've thought... and not nearly as many as there are car
> speedos that read 10kph high. :)
>
> Not all trucks are speed limited though, and nor are they required to
> be. In most states, if not all, a second speeding offence results in
> an order to fit one if it's not original equipment. Much heavier
> penalties apply for speeding offences in any truck fitted with a speed
> limiter... including de-registration.
>
> Nor is it necessary to prove it's been disabled or tampered with...
> the onus is on the operator to ensure the speed limiter is operating
> correctly.

hopefully they'll get to the point that the minute the truck speeds, the
limiter doesn't cut in, but instead uplinks to the RTA and registers for
another fine. No actual speed limit device activity. After all, it's
what they really want.

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On Apr 2, 8:07 pm, John McKenzie <j...@alphalink.com.au> wrote:
> John_H wrote:
>
> > DalienX wrote:
>
> > >It's amazing how many trucks have the 100k speed limiter disabled..
>
> > Very few I would've thought... and not nearly as many as there are car
> > speedos that read 10kph high. :)
>
> > Not all trucks are speed limited though, and nor are they required to
> > be. In most states, if not all, a second speeding offence results in
> > an order to fit one if it's not original equipment. Much heavier
> > penalties apply for speeding offences in any truck fitted with a speed
> > limiter... including de-registration.
>
> > Nor is it necessary to prove it's been disabled or tampered with...
> > the onus is on the operator to ensure the speed limiter is operating
> > correctly.
>
> hopefully they'll get to the point that the minute the truck speeds, the
> limiter doesn't cut in, but instead uplinks to the RTA and registers for
> another fine. No actual speed limit device activity. After all, it's
> what they really want.

I've seen complaints about something vaguely similar - car rental
companies who take an imprint of your card, and charge a "fine" every
time you exceed the limit... hopefully you'll find out about it when
you return your car, not when you try to pay for something and find
your CC is overdrawn.

[Ext User(DalienX)]

John_H wrote:

> DalienX wrote:
> >
> > It's amazing how many trucks have the 100k speed limiter disabled..
>
> Very few I would've thought... and not nearly as many as there are car
> speedos that read 10kph high. :)
>
Most likely true, but there has been a few occasions when i've been
sitting 105 with the cruise control locked, only to have a semi roar
past easily doing 130. And on the back of the truck the little "speed
limited 100ks" sign. Gotta laugh really.

[Ext User(John_H)]

DalienX wrote:
>John_H wrote:
>> DalienX wrote:
>> > It's amazing how many trucks have the 100k speed limiter disabled..
>>
>> Very few I would've thought... and not nearly as many as there are car
>> speedos that read 10kph high. :)
>>
>Most likely true, but there has been a few occasions when i've been
>sitting 105 with the cruise control locked, only to have a semi roar
>past easily doing 130. And on the back of the truck the little "speed
>limited 100ks" sign. Gotta laugh really.

FWIW, the speed cutoff is an ECU setting that can be altered using the
engine manufacturer's diagnostic software. Service personnel, or at
least the ones I come across, have the software on a personal laptop
and the truck's ECU logs the serial number of the software that's been
used to access it. Consequently the service techs are reluctant to
make changes that are directly traceable to the software that's been
issued to them. There's also plenty of unauthorised software getting
about, but those who have it usually aren't too keen to make
themselves conspicuous.

It might be a different story in places where different speed limits
apply, or aren't enforced.

The only trucks I regularly come across that aren't set correctly are
road trains. In Q they're supposed to have their speed limiters set
to 90kph whereas lots of 'em seem to retain the default setting (100).

--
John H