Intermittent stalling: BA Fairlane G220

[Ext User(atec 77)]

Greg wrote:
> Does anyone know whether my car (the Fairlane) will charge the battery when
> idling?
> (sorry to interject with a boring question :P )
>
> Greg.
>
>
Have you considered adding a voltmeter
It should charge but you need to be able to see if it isn't
considering the amount of low rev work you do .

[Ext User(Greg)]

"Noddy" <dg4163@(nospam)dodo.com.au> wrote in message
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> At idle with everything off, the Alternator might be making enough current
> to put a trickle into the battery after it satisfies the rest of the car's
> needs. The worst time for batteries is boring rainy nights, as that's when
> most people have their lights, heaters and steroes on, and at idle the
> battery would most likely be draining very slowly as the alternator can't
> keep up.

Thanks for the info. Until recently I assumed that as long as the engine was
running, it would be charging the battery - period. (I wish the car would
*tell* me whether or not the battery was being charged or not - I mean
*really* being charged in a way that was actually increasing it's stored
capacity)

Greg.

[Ext User(XR8Sprint)]

OzOne wrote:

>> Poor Ozone, he chose the wrong manufacturer and the wrong car...
>>
>> Regards
>>
>> XR8 Sprint.
>
> Like I said before, I've never owned a pre'96 Magna.
> They were crap, and the thought that you would even consider comparing
> a Falcon with them is absolutely laughable!

Oh well let's look at a 96 Magna
http://www.redbookasiapacific.com/au/vehicle/prices.php?key=MITS96JK

Oh dear, still not anywhere near matching the Sprint.

Ozone, I wasn't comparing the vehicles, you were the one saying the sun
shines out of the Magna's rear. Point is that the Magna has crap re-sale
and is not a car that people want. I've seen late model ones where the
roof lining is falling down, the door locks don't work, the electric
windows are stuffed and this is in a model a hell of a lot later than
the 94 one. (2001 model to be precise.) Those things are not minor and
the car is not all that old.

Whilst you continue to bleat, the fact is that the majority of people
disagree with your assessment of the Magna and turn up in drives to
their Holden, Toyota, or Ford dealer depending on what type of car they
want. Power = Holden, Reliability = Toyota, Cruising = Ford. Easy. THe
Magna just does not fit into the Australian market it is a nowhere vehicle.

[Ext User(bob@magnecor.com.au.invalid)]

On Tue, 15 May 2007 22:55:58 +1000, xr8 sprint
<xr8_sprint@hotmail.com>, after considering some belly-button fluf,
wrote:

>Noddy wrote:
>> "XR8Sprint" <Xr8_Sprint@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:4649547c$0$507$61c65585@uq-127creek-reader-
>>
>>
>>>I've literally just finished changing mine and took it for a spin. It
>>>feels like a V8 again. I was a bit annoyed as the leads were only changed
>>>about 2 years ago and a set of Bosch Super Sports went in then. They
>>>certainly didn't live long. Any guesses for what it is now running?
>>>
>>>XR8 Sprint!
>>>
>>>PS Thanks Neil and Bob for the fast service!

You are most welcome.
I hope they fitted OK.

Bob

[Ext User(Noddy)]

<OzOne> wrote in message news:h0nl43556mc0dv69261nohnn8fa7fj93e9@4ax.com...

> You'd be wrong again....

Is that right?

So, when you said some time ago that running a reasonbably powerful V6
through a front wheel drive wasn't a problem for most people, you were
talking shit? :)

> Good for you..stick to rusty old Falcons.

I'll stick with whatever I like Oz, which will never be a fuck ugly Magna
thanks :)

> Yeah, and Subaru too.

Subaru make cars that actually handle & perform well.

> Yeah, You've given us an indication of your abilities when you
> serviced planes.....

What, by saying a 100 hourly is an "oil & filter change"?

Jesus you're a fucking moron. You *really* have not the slightest fucking
clue, do ya'? :)

> Mmmmmmmm

Which means what? "Yes, I agree with you", in which case why would you even
comment on such lists to begin with, or "I can't think of anything to say",
in which case you'd be a fucking retard.

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<OzOne> wrote in message news:87nl43ptvq4cov404dfs7pbg2qukog5rvs@4ax.com...

> Yep....Do you always just go quiet and slink off when shown to be
> wrong?

He mentioned battery and ignition leads. You commented on one, and I on the
other.

So, take me through the right and wrong bit.....

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"Greg" <greg.REMOVEsullivan@THIScomputer.org> wrote in message
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> Thanks for the info. Until recently I assumed that as long as the engine
> was running, it would be charging the battery - period.

It generally is, but it depends on the load.

When the engine is running, all of the electrical power is supplied by the
alternator, and it's peak output is at around 1500rpm. Whatever current is
"left over" after all the vehicle's power needs have been met goes to the
battery to maintain charge.

Below that rpm level current use can outstrip alternator supply, in which
case the battery makes up the difference. This would normally only be in
certain circumstances where you had *everything* on and the engine was just
idling. Above idle it'd be charging the battery.

--
Regards,
Noddy.

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bob@magnecor.com.au.invalid wrote:
> On Tue, 15 May 2007 22:55:58 +1000, xr8 sprint
> <xr8_sprint@hotmail.com>, after considering some belly-button fluf,
> wrote:
>
>> Noddy wrote:
>>> "XR8Sprint" <Xr8_Sprint@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>> news:4649547c$0$507$61c65585@uq-127creek-reader-
>>>
>>>
>>>> I've literally just finished changing mine and took it for a spin. It
>>>> feels like a V8 again. I was a bit annoyed as the leads were only changed
>>>> about 2 years ago and a set of Bosch Super Sports went in then. They
>>>> certainly didn't live long. Any guesses for what it is now running?
>>>>
>>>> XR8 Sprint!
>>>>
>>>> PS Thanks Neil and Bob for the fast service!
>
> You are most welcome.
> I hope they fitted OK.
>
> Bob

No problems at all. The only problem I had was with the rear plug on the
left side of the motor near the brake booster as there is very little
room there with the headers coming off the motor. Burn't fingers!!

Actually if anything the leads for the rear plugs are a little long but
that is not a major problem. It is simply amazing the difference in the
car, which now idles so smoothly the only reason you can tell it's
running is the fact that the 2.5" system makes quite a burble! With the
old leads it felt like it was running a lumpy cam!

I'm about to put some platinum plugs in it which I will gap at 1.2mm as
was suggested when I ordered the leads.

Regards

XR8 Sprint.

[Ext User(OzOne)]

On Wed, 16 May 2007 20:55:08 +1000, XR8Sprint <Xr8_Sprint@hotmail.com>
scribbled thusly:

>OzOne wrote:
>
>>> Poor Ozone, he chose the wrong manufacturer and the wrong car...
>>>
>>> Regards
>>>
>>> XR8 Sprint.
>>
>> Like I said before, I've never owned a pre'96 Magna.
>> They were crap, and the thought that you would even consider comparing
>> a Falcon with them is absolutely laughable!
>
>Oh well let's look at a 96 Magna
>http://www.redbookasiapacific.com/au/vehicle/prices.php?key=MITS96JK
>
>Oh dear, still not anywhere near matching the Sprint.
WTF drugs are you on?
You compare a V8 wanker special
against a V6 base model.
Here's a better comparison, a bse model Falcon
http://www.redbookasiapacific.com/au/vehicle/prices.php?key=FORD96AY

Note that it sells for 1600-3600 compared to the Magna at 2400-4500.

Please note that the 5.0l Falcon is also below the Magna price
http://www.redbookasiapacific.com/au/vehicle/prices.php?key=FORD96BA

Oh look I compared a V8 Falcon with a Magna.....and the Magna came out
better......

Oh BTW, your '94 XR8 cost nearly 1/4 as much again as the Magna, but 2
years earlier, for that you get a massive max of $600 more when you
sell it. You got ripped buddy.....were you standing behind the door
when the brains were handed out?

Bwaaahhahahhahahhahahahhahahahhahahahaaa!




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On Thu, 17 May 2007 07:42:20 +1000, "Noddy"
<dg4163@(nospam)dodo.com.au> scribbled thusly:

>
><OzOne> wrote in message news:h0nl43556mc0dv69261nohnn8fa7fj93e9@4ax.com...
>
>> You'd be wrong again....
>
>Is that right?
>
>So, when you said some time ago that running a reasonbably powerful V6
>through a front wheel drive wasn't a problem for most people, you were
>talking shit? :)

It's not...but running it through 4 wheels is far better than 2 no
matter which end is driven...
>
>> Good for you..stick to rusty old Falcons.
>
>I'll stick with whatever I like Oz, which will never be a fuck ugly Magna
>thanks :)

Like I said, good for you....
>
>> Yeah, and Subaru too.
>
>Subaru make cars that actually handle & perform well.

Yeah, as do Mitsubishi.
>
>> Yeah, You've given us an indication of your abilities when you
>> serviced planes.....
>
>What, by saying a 100 hourly is an "oil & filter change"?
>
>Jesus you're a fucking moron. You *really* have not the slightest fucking
>clue, do ya'? :)
Noodle, YOU said it was an oil/filter change.
YOU made no mention of the engine and airframe checks nor anything
else.

>
>> Mmmmmmmm
>
>Which means what? "Yes, I agree with you", in which case why would you even
>comment on such lists to begin with, or "I can't think of anything to say",
>in which case you'd be a fucking retard.

Nope means I can't be bothered arguing with a clown who is so slack
that he would only change oil/filters at a 100hr and thinks it's
pedantic of anyone to mention that there is far more to it bearing in
mind that many here think you're some kind of guru ad taht "If Noodle
says it's an oil/filter change ...It must be"

I notice that you made sure my info to the contrary was snipped from
your reply....Care to post it?


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[Ext User(Noddy)]

<OzOne> wrote in message news:ioho43deicg1a52dlad5srcc5r7to01ahb@4ax.com...

> It's not...but running it through 4 wheels is far better than 2 no
> matter which end is driven...

I disagree.

Running it through 4 wheels is *only* better when traction is less than
ideal, and the power losses are generally double that of a conventional 2wd.

> Yeah, as do Mitsubishi.

MMAL Never did :)

> Noodle, YOU said it was an oil/filter change.
> YOU made no mention of the engine and airframe checks nor anything
> else.

Forget it Oz.

It's so far over your fucking head you could pass an ocean liner through the
gap and not mess up your hair (assuming for a moment that you actually have
hair).

> Nope means I can't be bothered arguing with a clown who is so slack
> that he would only change oil/filters at a 100hr and thinks it's
> pedantic of anyone to mention that there is far more to it bearing in
> mind that many here think you're some kind of guru ad taht "If Noodle
> says it's an oil/filter change ...It must be"

Jesus :)

> I notice that you made sure my info to the contrary was snipped from
> your reply....Care to post it?

Happily, if you'd care to tell me what the fuck you're talking about.

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[Ext User(XR8 Sprint)]

OzOne wrote:

>
> Oh look I compared a V8 Falcon with a Magna.....and the Magna came out
> better......
>
> Oh BTW, your '94 XR8 cost nearly 1/4 as much again as the Magna, but 2
> years earlier, for that you get a massive max of $600 more when you
> sell it. You got ripped buddy.....were you standing behind the door
> when the brains were handed out?

Hey OzIdiot,

I don't own a 94 XR8. It's an XR8 Sprint. Now currently their price for
private resale is around $8200 to $11100. Now who's the goose. The car
still has good re-sale value for a car of it's age, and quite honestly
you haven't got any clue what you are talking about.

The Sprint was a limited edition version which I have had since new.
Sure it's had it's share of issues, but I could still step into it right
now and drive it to Melbourne and back (about 7000km just in case you
thought I lived in Geelong) without any issues at all. It is A1
mechanically.

The point you don't seem to understand is that if we lined up my Sprint
against your Magna and asked 1000 genuine car lovers which car they
would prefer, about 999 would say the Sprint. You say I was ripped and
yet once I bought the car I didn't have to spend several thousand on go
fast bits to make it go, it was already a reasonably quick car. I know
who got ripped completely and it wasn't me.

>
> Bwaaahhahahhahahhahahahhahahahhahahahaaa!

Yeah right back at you. Idiot.

[Ext User(Neil Fisher)]

On Thu, 17 May 2007 07:42:20 +1000, "Noddy"
<dg4163@(nospam)dodo.com.au>, after considering some belly-button
fluf, wrote:

Forgive me for jumping into your private slanging match (BTW, don't
stop - it's amusing), but when you said...

[...]

>> Yeah, and Subaru too.
>
>Subaru make cars that actually handle & perform well.

....it seems clear to me that you haven't actually driven an AWD Magna.
If you take one out on a slippery surface (where you can explore the
limits at somewhat lower velocities), you'll find that they behave
very similarly to the EVO Lancers (not really surprising, given that
they essentially grafted EVO running gear into a Magna) in that you
can actually get some power oversteer happening - good fun (and puts
an incredulous look on the faces of some drivers too ;-) ). On dry
tarmac, they are quite deceptive for the driver too. I have no doubt
they'd be an absolute ball-tearer with a blower adding 40-50% more
power and torque - you'd have to admit that 300 odd HP in something
that weighs around 1700kg won't exactly be a slug, at least in daily
driver terms.

And, as you never fail to point out, no-one seems to want them (even
though in reality, they are, as you say, at least line-ball with
Falcons and Commodores in terms of build quality and reliability) -
which puts them on the cheap side in 2nd hand form. Like AU Falcons,
this makes them a bargain, always providing you can live with the
styling (I have other reasons for not wanting an AU - that stupid seat
sees my hair scraping the roof, which I find off-putting, for a start.
Plus I seem to smack my head getting in and out if not careful - I'm
sure aversion therapy (ie pain) would correct that in time though. ;-)
)

Oh, shit - sorry! You're just casting a line. Oops! ;-)

Neil
PS Nice fish, but I can't help wondering if you're being done/doing a
photoshop.
---
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Thundercords
personal opinion unless otherwise noted.
Looking for spark plug leads?
Check out http://www.magnecor.com.au

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"Neil Fisher" <neil@magnecor.com.au.invalid> wrote in message
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> ...it seems clear to me that you haven't actually driven an AWD Magna.

I haven't, and I've freely admited that.

As I've said to Oz (and others a number of times) I don't think there is
anything wrong with the later Magna's mechanically, and they weren't a bad
car. Nothing brilliant mind you, and certainly no better or worse than a
Falcadore (despite Oz's ridiculous claims of being better built and designed
and all that shit). However, what I've also said to Oz is that I find it
incredibly hard to believe that a basic AWD system (which is what the Verada
has) could transform what is essentially a boring FWD sedan into a fantasitc
car *just* by adding drive to the rear wheels.

I don't doubt for a second that it makes a noticable difference under
certain circumstances, like in the wet or other slippery conditions as you
say, but on dry tarmac?

Bearing in mind here that your average AWD system makes absolutely fuck all
difference to *anything* unless you're overpopwering your grip, and most V6
Magna's don't have too much trouble with that on dry asphalt.

> I have no doubt
> they'd be an absolute ball-tearer with a blower adding 40-50% more
> power and torque - you'd have to admit that 300 odd HP in something
> that weighs around 1700kg won't exactly be a slug, at least in daily
> driver terms.

I've never thought that it would, but I certainly wouldn't expect it to be
anything brilliant, or at least anything better than a Falcadore with
similar power.

My objection is to the way Oz carries on like a fuckwit at it's ability to
go through roundabouts in a manner that he would have you believe no other
car is capable of doing simply because it's AWD, and you, me and the guy up
the street knows that's complete bullshit.

Subaru make great handling cars, and your average base model WRX handles
very well indeed out of the box. Pull the prop shaft out to kill the drive
to the rear wheels and it'll *still* be a great handling car. All you'll
lose is the ability to get more power down on a slippery road.

> And, as you never fail to point out, no-one seems to want them (even
> though in reality, they are, as you say, at least line-ball with
> Falcons and Commodores in terms of build quality and reliability) -
> which puts them on the cheap side in 2nd hand form.

It does indeed, and I've said for a long time that used Magna's of any
variety are good value buying.

That's not going to make *me* want to rush out and get one though :)

> Like AU Falcons,
> this makes them a bargain, always providing you can live with the
> styling (I have other reasons for not wanting an AU - that stupid seat
> sees my hair scraping the roof, which I find off-putting, for a start.
> Plus I seem to smack my head getting in and out if not careful - I'm
> sure aversion therapy (ie pain) would correct that in time though. ;-)
> )
>
> Oh, shit - sorry! You're just casting a line. Oops! ;-)

There's a bit of that, sure, but there's some seriousness as well.

> PS Nice fish, but I can't help wondering if you're being done/doing a
> photoshop.

Eh?

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Noddy.

[Ext User(OzOne)]

On Thu, 17 May 2007 23:19:56 +1000, "Noddy"
<dg4163@(nospam)dodo.com.au> scribbled thusly:

>
><OzOne> wrote in message news:ioho43deicg1a52dlad5srcc5r7to01ahb@4ax.com...
>
>> It's not...but running it through 4 wheels is far better than 2 no
>> matter which end is driven...
>
>I disagree.

Of course
>
>Running it through 4 wheels is *only* better when traction is less than
>ideal, and the power losses are generally double that of a conventional 2wd.
>
>> Yeah, as do Mitsubishi.
>
>MMAL Never did :)

EVO.
>
>> Noodle, YOU said it was an oil/filter change.
>> YOU made no mention of the engine and airframe checks nor anything
>> else.
>
>Forget it Oz.

You'd like that...
>
>It's so far over your fucking head you could pass an ocean liner through the
>gap and not mess up your hair (assuming for a moment that you actually have
>hair).
>
>> Nope means I can't be bothered arguing with a clown who is so slack
>> that he would only change oil/filters at a 100hr and thinks it's
>> pedantic of anyone to mention that there is far more to it bearing in
>> mind that many here think you're some kind of guru ad taht "If Noodle
>> says it's an oil/filter change ...It must be"
>
>Jesus :)

Can't help you Noodle.

>
>> I notice that you made sure my info to the contrary was snipped from
>> your reply....Care to post it?
>
>Happily, if you'd care to tell me what the fuck you're talking about.

Yep, that'd be right.



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[Ext User(OzOne)]

On Thu, 17 May 2007 23:51:57 +1000, XR8 Sprint
<XR8_Sprint@hotmail.com> scribbled thusly:

>OzOne wrote:
>
>>
>> Oh look I compared a V8 Falcon with a Magna.....and the Magna came out
>> better......
>>
>> Oh BTW, your '94 XR8 cost nearly 1/4 as much again as the Magna, but 2
>> years earlier, for that you get a massive max of $600 more when you
>> sell it. You got ripped buddy.....were you standing behind the door
>> when the brains were handed out?
>
>Hey OzIdiot,
>
>I don't own a 94 XR8. It's an XR8 Sprint. Now currently their price for
>private resale is around $8200 to $11100. Now who's the goose. The car
>still has good re-sale value for a car of it's age, and quite honestly
>you haven't got any clue what you are talking about.

So again you compare a goosed up Falcon V8 with a basic Magna.
You must be really insecure with the fact that you actually paid good
money for that POS!
>
>The Sprint was a limited edition version which I have had since new.
>Sure it's had it's share of issues, but I could still step into it right
>now and drive it to Melbourne and back (about 7000km just in case you
>thought I lived in Geelong) without any issues at all. It is A1
>mechanically.

Bwaaahahhahahahhahahahahhahahhahahahhaha!

>
>The point you don't seem to understand is that if we lined up my Sprint
>against your Magna and asked 1000 genuine car lovers which car they
>would prefer, about 999 would say the Sprint. You say I was ripped and
>yet once I bought the car I didn't have to spend several thousand on go
>fast bits to make it go, it was already a reasonably quick car. I know
>who got ripped completely and it wasn't me.

Read that to yourself every night before bed...It may help with the
nightmares!
>
>>
>> Bwaaahhahahhahahhahahahhahahahhahahahaaa!
>
>Yeah right back at you. Idiot.

Bwaahahahahahhahahahhahahahahhaha!


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[Ext User(XR8 Sprint)]

OzOne wrote:
> On Thu, 17 May 2007 23:51:57 +1000, XR8 Sprint
> <XR8_Sprint@hotmail.com> scribbled thusly:
>
>
>> Hey OzIdiot,
>>
>> I don't own a 94 XR8. It's an XR8 Sprint. Now currently their price for
>> private resale is around $8200 to $11100. Now who's the goose. The car
>> still has good re-sale value for a car of it's age, and quite honestly
>> you haven't got any clue what you are talking about.
>
> So again you compare a goosed up Falcon V8 with a basic Magna.
> You must be really insecure with the fact that you actually paid good
> money for that POS!

Please tell us all where I compared it with a standard Magna. C'mon, I
passed English at high school but I can't read it into the statement I
made above. Is it a subliminal message somewhere there.

>
> Read that to yourself every night before bed...It may help with the
> nightmares!

I don't have nightmares every night OZ, I leave that for Magna owners.

You must be single because you're strangling it and its sending you
blind and stupid.

[Ext User(Noddy)]

<OzOne> wrote in message news:di4r43h2ocm4ktku75stoj5bfvlma5otp9@4ax.com...

>>MMAL Never did :)
>
> EVO.

When did MMAL start making Evo's?


>>Happily, if you'd care to tell me what the fuck you're talking about.
>
> Yep, that'd be right.

A genuine question Oz. I had no idea what you were on about, and it seems
neither do you :)

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Noddy.

[Ext User(OzOne)]

On Fri, 18 May 2007 22:40:54 +1000, XR8 Sprint
<XR8_Sprint@hotmail.com> scribbled thusly:

>OzOne wrote:
>> On Thu, 17 May 2007 23:51:57 +1000, XR8 Sprint
>> <XR8_Sprint@hotmail.com> scribbled thusly:
>>
>>
>>> Hey OzIdiot,
>>>
>>> I don't own a 94 XR8. It's an XR8 Sprint. Now currently their price for
>>> private resale is around $8200 to $11100. Now who's the goose. The car
>>> still has good re-sale value for a car of it's age, and quite honestly
>>> you haven't got any clue what you are talking about.
>>
>> So again you compare a goosed up Falcon V8 with a basic Magna.
>> You must be really insecure with the fact that you actually paid good
>> money for that POS!
>
>Please tell us all where I compared it with a standard Magna. C'mon, I
>passed English at high school but I can't read it into the statement I
>made above. Is it a subliminal message somewhere there.
>

Ummm that would be where you first stuck you peabrained head into this
thread.

Look it up...I really have no interest in your delusional rantings


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[Ext User(OzOne)]

On Fri, 18 May 2007 23:58:50 +1000, "Noddy"
<dg4163@(nospam)dodo.com.au> scribbled thusly:

>
><OzOne> wrote in message news:di4r43h2ocm4ktku75stoj5bfvlma5otp9@4ax.com...
>
>>>MMAL Never did :)
>>
>> EVO.
>
>When did MMAL start making Evo's?

Ahhhh I see....OK, You're almost correct.
They did build the AWD VRX and GTVi
>



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