V8 Supercars dead?

[Ext User(Andy)]

So reports the Herald Sun

Ford is reviewing its sponsorship as it focuses upon smaller cars.
And it aint happy with the promoters going to China and Bahrain and
that WA is being threatened with having the plug pulled on the event
because of lack of Govco sponsership.

Ford says that the event is for Aussie louts and the prmotoers should
not forget that.

[Ext User(atec 77)]

Andy wrote:
> So reports the Herald Sun
>
> Ford is reviewing its sponsorship as it focuses upon smaller cars.
> And it aint happy with the promoters going to China and Bahrain and
> that WA is being threatened with having the plug pulled on the event
> because of lack of Govco sponsership.
>
> Ford says that the event is for Aussie louts and the prmotoers should
> not forget that.
>
I heard Ford considers the millions spent on promoting the series a wase
considering a certain Telly station cuts things to a fixed schedual.

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"Andy" <pandoraandypandy@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> So reports the Herald Sun

We can only hope.

It's the most boring form of motorsport in the world today.

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[Ext User(Michael C)]

"Noddy" <dg4163@(nospam)dodo.com.au> wrote in message
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> We can only hope.
>
> It's the most boring form of motorsport in the world today.

Rubbish. F1 is the world's most boring motor sport, you've said so yourself
many times. Although you seem to be down on everything lately nods, just had
a divorce or something?

>
> --
> Regards,
> Noddy.
>
>

[Ext User(OzOne)]

On Sun, 13 May 2007 20:16:21 +1000, "Michael C" <nospam@nospam.com>
scribbled thusly:

>"Noddy" <dg4163@(nospam)dodo.com.au> wrote in message
>news:4646e389$0$83114$c30e37c6@lon-reader.news.telstra.net...
>> We can only hope.
>>
>> It's the most boring form of motorsport in the world today.
>
>Rubbish. F1 is the world's most boring motor sport, you've said so yourself
>many times. Although you seem to be down on everything lately nods, just had
>a divorce or something?
>

Wifes just had a kid.
He's getting no sleep and sex is like climbing into a warm bath with
bubbles.


Oz1...of the 3 twins.

I welcome you to crackerbox palace,
We've been expecting you.

[Ext User(Noddy)]

"Michael C" <nospam@nospam.com> wrote in message
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> Rubbish. F1 is the world's most boring motor sport, you've said so
> yourself many times.

F1 is certainly boring, but V8 Crapadores snots it in that department.

> Although you seem to be down on everything lately nods, just had a divorce
> or something?

New child. No sleep.

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Regards,
Noddy.

[Ext User(Dan---)]

On Sun, 13 May 2007 20:16:21 +1000, Michael C PCM code reading says:

> "Noddy" <dg4163@(nospam)dodo.com.au> wrote in message
> news:4646e389$0$83114$c30e37c6@lon-reader.news.telstra.net...
>> We can only hope.
>>
>> It's the most boring form of motorsport in the world today.
>
> Rubbish. F1 is the world's most boring motor sport, you've said so yourself
> many times. Although you seem to be down on everything lately nods, just had
> a divorce or something?

Remember his mrs had a kid and he is probably suffering postnatal
depression!.

:-)


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Regards
Dan

[Ext User(Michael C)]

"Noddy" <dg4163@(nospam)dodo.com.au> wrote in message
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>> Rubbish. F1 is the world's most boring motor sport, you've said so
>> yourself many times.
>
> F1 is certainly boring, but V8 Crapadores snots it in that department.

I have to disagree with you there. In V8s something is always happening,
someone's pranged or mad-as because they got a penalty or something is on
fire or whatever. Have you ever seen a somersaulting kangaroo in F1?

>> Although you seem to be down on everything lately nods, just had a
>> divorce or something?
>
> New child. No sleep.

Your own stupid fault then. :-)

Michael

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"Noddy" <dg4163@(nospam)dodo.com.au> wrote in message
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> Nope, but at least F1 has some entertaining tracks.

I've driven most racetracks in the world*. I don't think any of them beat
bathurst.

> Not that it's very entertaining these days (I'd rather finger my arse with
> a chainsaw than be forced to sit through an entire race).

Each to their own.

> V8 Stupidcars is about who has the most eye catching paint scheme.

Is that how they decide the winner?

Michael

*on me computer. :-)

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"Michael C" <nospam@nospam.com> wrote in message
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> I've driven most racetracks in the world*. I don't think any of them beat
> bathurst.

Monaco shits all over it as a driver's track for pure concentration levels
required, and Spa is about as good a high speed track with a challenge as
you could hope to get.

Bathurst is just two long straights with a short twisty section separating
them.

> Is that how they decide the winner?

I think it's the only thing different about some of the cars.

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Noddy.

[Ext User(Michael C)]

"Noddy" <dg4163@(nospam)dodo.com.au> wrote in message
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>
> "Michael C" <nospam@nospam.com> wrote in message
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>
>> I've driven most racetracks in the world*. I don't think any of them beat
>> bathurst.
>
> Monaco shits all over it as a driver's track for pure concentration levels
> required, and Spa is about as good a high speed track with a challenge as
> you could hope to get.

Spa is ok.

> Bathurst is just two long straights with a short twisty section separating
> them.

But no track has the hills of bathurst. Coming into the twisty bits you can
brake really late because the hill is so steep.

Michael

[Ext User(ReSiN8oR)]

Michael C wrote:
> "Noddy" <dg4163@(nospam)dodo.com.au> wrote in message
> news:4646f88e$0$83125$c30e37c6@lon-reader.news.telstra.net...
>> Nope, but at least F1 has some entertaining tracks.
>
> I've driven most racetracks in the world*. I don't think any of them beat
> bathurst.
>
>> Not that it's very entertaining these days (I'd rather finger my arse with
>> a chainsaw than be forced to sit through an entire race).
>
> Each to their own.
>
>> V8 Stupidcars is about who has the most eye catching paint scheme.
>
> Is that how they decide the winner?

I thought it was how hot each teams flag girls are. If I want boobs I'll
watch a porno, if i want drama I'll watch daytime TV. The whole racing
element seems to have been lost from the series IMO.

Cheers
Adam

>
> Michael
>
> *on me computer. :-)
>
>

[Ext User(Scotty)]

"Noddy" <dg4163@(nospam)dodo.com.au> wrote in message
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> "Michael C" <nospam@nospam.com> wrote in message
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>
>> I've driven most racetracks in the world*. I don't think any of them beat
>> bathurst.
>
> Monaco shits all over it as a driver's track for pure concentration levels
> required, and Spa is about as good a high speed track with a challenge as
> you could hope to get.
>
> Bathurst is just two long straights with a short twisty section separating
> them.
>
>> Is that how they decide the winner?
>
> I think it's the only thing different about some of the cars.
>
> --
> Regards,
> Noddy.
>

Not trying to pull ya chain Noddy, but have you driven around Mount Panorama
at Bathurst?

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"Scotty" <scoter1@warmmail.com> wrote in message
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> Not trying to pull ya chain Noddy, but have you driven around Mount
> Panorama at Bathurst?

Yes, I have, but only when it's being used as a normal road at the speed
limit (and it's often heavily policed to prevent hoons from being "King of
the mountain"). Am I missing something?

I think it's an okay track, but as I said three quarters of it are straight
with a twisty bit over the top of the mountain. I certainly don't think
there's anything particularly challenging about it from a driver's point of
view, but it does have some rather nice views over the top.

There's *much* better tracks around in my opinion.

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Noddy.

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"Noddy" <dg4163@(nospam)dodo.com.au> wrote in message
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>
> "Scotty" <scoter1@warmmail.com> wrote in message
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>
>> Not trying to pull ya chain Noddy, but have you driven around Mount
>> Panorama at Bathurst?
>
> Yes, I have, but only when it's being used as a normal road at the speed
> limit (and it's often heavily policed to prevent hoons from being "King of
> the mountain"). Am I missing something?
>
> I think it's an okay track, but as I said three quarters of it are
> straight with a twisty bit over the top of the mountain. I certainly don't
> think there's anything particularly challenging about it from a driver's
> point of view, but it does have some rather nice views over the top.
>
> There's *much* better tracks around in my opinion.
>
> --
> Regards,
> Noddy.
>

Thats cool, just wondering if you had experienced the track. Ive driven it
many times and each at Legal Road pace, yeah, they had three patrol cars one
time and each other time at least one roaming around, I think that they like
driving it too.

With the exception of Targas, its one of the best tracks only due to its
Topography, if it was flat it would indeed be boring.

[Ext User(Michael C)]

"Noddy" <dg4163@(nospam)dodo.com.au> wrote in message
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> Yes, I have, but only when it's being used as a normal road at the speed
> limit (and it's often heavily policed to prevent hoons from being "King of
> the mountain"). Am I missing something?

Come over and try it on the simulator. :-)

> I think it's an okay track, but as I said three quarters of it are
> straight with a twisty bit over the top of the mountain. I certainly don't
> think there's anything particularly challenging about it from a driver's
> point of view, but it does have some rather nice views over the top.

The drive over the top is most definately challenging. The straights make it
moreso because drivers need to break from high speed twice, once into a
highish speed corner.

> There's *much* better tracks around in my opinion.

I quite like Valencia.

Michael

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"Michael C" <nospam@nospam.com> wrote in message
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> "Noddy" <dg4163@(nospam)dodo.com.au> wrote in message

> Come over and try it on the simulator. :-)

I've driven it on an excellent simulator, and it's okay. Not my favorite
track, but okay just the same.

160 laps of it would bore me shitless in a big hurry :)

> The drive over the top is most definately challenging. The straights make
> it moreso because drivers need to break from high speed twice, once into a
> highish speed corner.

Braking from high speed in a straight line isn't particularly challenging :)

> I quite like Valencia.

I'm not up to date with "modern" tracks, as my interest in motorsports died
off many years ago. However, of the "old" tracks I loved Spa, Monaco and
Nurburing (if that's how you spell it)

Formula 1 was brilliant in the '60's & '70's. After that, it turned very
decidedly homosexual.

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[Ext User(Michael C)]

"Noddy" <dg4163@(nospam)dodo.com.au> wrote in message
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> I've driven it on an excellent simulator, and it's okay. Not my favorite
> track, but okay just the same.
>
> 160 laps of it would bore me shitless in a big hurry :)

160 laps of any track would become boring. It's quite a repetitive job. It's
the sort of thing where being a half wit might actually help.

> Braking from high speed in a straight line isn't particularly challenging
:)

Braking from a straight into a 90 degree corner isn't particularly
difficult. Braking from a straight into a high speed corner is much more
challenging (and dangerous). Especially going up a hill on a track that
isn't that wide.

> > I quite like Valencia.
>
> I'm not up to date with "modern" tracks, as my interest in motorsports
died
> off many years ago.

Valencia has a bit of a hill in the middle which is quite interesting. The
limiting factor around one corner has more to do with the vertical curvature
of the road than the corner itself. It's then followed by a high speed
corner over the top of a hill which gets quite interesting.

> However, of the "old" tracks I loved Spa, Monaco and
> Nurburing (if that's how you spell it)
>
> Formula 1 was brilliant in the '60's & '70's. After that, it turned very
> decidedly homosexual.

Modern F1 should be right up your alley then. ;-)

Michael

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"Michael C" <mculleyNOSPAM@optushome.com.au> wrote in message
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> 160 laps of any track would become boring. It's quite a repetitive job.
> It's
> the sort of thing where being a half wit might actually help.

I tend to agree, but think there's distinct differences.

For example, 160 laps around Spa wouldn't get as old anywhere near as quick
as 160 laps around a Nascar circuit. Bathurst is an in between mixture of
these two extremes (if you can call Spa an extreme for this example) in that
all the "action" takes place in 40 seconds or so over the top of the
mountain while the rest of the lap is rather boring.

Alan Moffat used to cruise down Conrod Straight at 170mph in his RX7 with an
arm resting on the top of the door :)

> Braking from a straight into a 90 degree corner isn't particularly
> difficult. Braking from a straight into a high speed corner is much more
> challenging (and dangerous). Especially going up a hill on a track that
> isn't that wide.

Braking is braking. You're washing off speed. The only difficult part about
it is washing off the exact amount of speed for optimum corner entry.

Whatever angle the corner is makes little difference.

> Valencia has a bit of a hill in the middle which is quite interesting. The
> limiting factor around one corner has more to do with the vertical
> curvature
> of the road than the corner itself. It's then followed by a high speed
> corner over the top of a hill which gets quite interesting.

Nice.

> Modern F1 should be right up your alley then. ;-)

Thanks, but sadly no :)

I used to *love* Formula 1 in the old days, and would travel all over the
country to see a race when I could (back in the days when Australia had it's
own brand of "Formula 1"), and would never miss a genuine F1 race on
television. That all started to wane in the '80's when the turbo craze had
run it's course, and the rules governing car construction & configuration
became remarkably more bizarre with each new season. Bernie Eccelstone's
major involvement turned me off for good.

These days I have not the slightest interest in the sport at all, and you
couldn't make me watch ten seconds of a race if you held a shotgun to the
back of my head.

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Regards,
Noddy.

[Ext User(Michael C)]

"Noddy" <dg4163@(nospam)dodo.com.au> wrote in message
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> I tend to agree, but think there's distinct differences.
>
> For example, 160 laps around Spa wouldn't get as old anywhere near as
quick
> as 160 laps around a Nascar circuit. Bathurst is an in between mixture of
> these two extremes (if you can call Spa an extreme for this example) in
that
> all the "action" takes place in 40 seconds or so over the top of the
> mountain while the rest of the lap is rather boring.
>
> Alan Moffat used to cruise down Conrod Straight at 170mph in his RX7 with
an
> arm resting on the top of the door :)

So they appreciate the break. :-)

> Braking is braking. You're washing off speed. The only difficult part
about
> it is washing off the exact amount of speed for optimum corner entry.
>
> Whatever angle the corner is makes little difference.

Rubbish. Braking into a high speed corner is more difficult as you have to
be much more precise. A little too much speed and you're off the corner at
150kph. If you don't change down smoothly then you're much more likely to
upset the car for the entry to the corner. You're also travelling at a much
higher speed so covering a lot more ground, so if you leave your braking too
late it takes more ground to recover.

Michael