ARCTIC ICE MELT IS NOTHING NEW

[Ext User(Bonzo)]

WHERE WERE THE ALARMISTS IN 1817??????

"It will without doubt have come to your Lordship's knowledge that a
considerable change of climate inexplicable at present to us must have
taken place in the Circumpolar Regions, by which the severity of the
cold that has for centuries past inclosed the seas in the high northern
latitudes in an impenetrable barrier of ice has been during the last two
years greatly abated. "

"Mr. Scoresby, a very intelligent young man who commands a whaling
vesell from Whitby observed last year that 2000 square leagues (a league
is 3 miles) of ice with which the Greenland Seas between the latitudes
of 74° and 80°N have been hitherto covered, has in the last two years
entirely disappeared. The same person who has never been before able to
penetrate to the westward of the Meridian of Greenwich in these
latitudes was this year able to proceed to 10°, 30'W where he saw the
coast of East Greenland and entertained no doubt of being able to reach
the land had not his duty to his employers made it necessary for him to
abandon the undertaking. "

"This, with information of a similar nature derived from other sources;
the unusual abundance of ice islands that have during the last two
summers been brought by currents from Davies Streights (sic) into the
Atlantic. The ice which has this year surrounded the northern coast of
Ireland in unusual quantity and remained there unthawed till the middle
of August, with the floods which have during the whole summer inundated
all those parts of Germany where rivers have their sources in snowy
mountains, afford ample proof that new sources of warmth have been
opened and give us leave to hope that the Arctic Seas may at this time
be more accessible than they have been for centuries past, and that
discoveries may now be made in them not only interesting to the
advancement of science but also tot he future intercourse of mankind and
the commerce of distant nations."

President of the Royal Society, Minutes of Council, Volume 8.
pp.149-153, Royal Society, London. 20th November, 1817..


Regards

Bonzo

"...and I think future generations are not going to blame us for
anything except for being silly, for letting a few tenths of a degree
panic us"
Dr. Richard Lindzen, Professor of Meteorology MIT and Member of the
National Academy of Sciences

"What most commentators-and many scientists-seem to miss is that the
only thing we can say with certainly about climate is that it changes"
Dr. Richard Lindzen, Professor of Meteorology MIT and Member of the
National Academy of Sciences

[most of the current alarm over climate change is based on] "inherently
untrustworthy climate models, similar to those that cannot accurately
forecast the weather a week from now." Dr. Richard Lindzen, Professor of
Meteorology MIT and Member of the National Academy of Sciences

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BONZO LYING ABOUT ARCTIC ICE MELT IS NOTHING NEW

On May 29, 8:22 pm, "Bonzo" <boo...@optusnt.com.au> wrote:
> WHERE WERE THE ALARMISTS IN 1817??????

> President of the Royal Society, Minutes of Council, Volume 8.
> pp.149-153, Royal Society, London. 20th November, 1817..
>
> Regards
>
> Bonzo

The Modern Thermometer was more than 100 years old in 1817.

WHERE ARE YOUR TEMPERATURE RECORDINGS?

[Ext User(Bonzo)]

"Usenet-Admin.US" <T.O.S_Enforcement___@Usenet-Admin.US> wrote in
message news:1180495759.048039.28880@g37g2000prf.googlegro ups.com...
> WHERE ARE YOUR TEMPERATURE RECORDINGS?


Come, come my son, the observations speak for themselves.
Aside from that, I wasn't there.

"It will without doubt have come to your Lordship's knowledge that a
considerable change of climate inexplicable at present to us must have
taken place in the Circumpolar Regions, by which the severity of the
cold that has for centuries past inclosed the seas in the high northern
latitudes in an impenetrable barrier of ice has been during the last two
years greatly abated. "

"Mr. Scoresby, a very intelligent young man who commands a whaling
vesell from Whitby observed last year that 2000 square leagues (a league
is 3 miles) of ice with which the Greenland Seas between the latitudes
of 74° and 80°N have been hitherto covered, has in the last two years
entirely disappeared. The same person who has never been before able to
penetrate to the westward of the Meridian of Greenwich in these
latitudes was this year able to proceed to 10°, 30'W where he saw the
coast of East Greenland and entertained no doubt of being able to reach
the land had not his duty to his employers made it necessary for him to
abandon the undertaking. "

"This, with information of a similar nature derived from other sources;
the unusual abundance of ice islands that have during the last two
summers been brought by currents from Davies Streights (sic) into the
Atlantic. The ice which has this year surrounded the northern coast of
Ireland in unusual quantity and remained there unthawed till the middle
of August, with the floods which have during the whole summer inundated
all those parts of Germany where rivers have their sources in snowy
mountains, afford ample proof that new sources of warmth have been
opened and give us leave to hope that the Arctic Seas may at this time
be more accessible than they have been for centuries past, and that
discoveries may now be made in them not only interesting to the
advancement of science but also tot he future intercourse of mankind and
the commerce of distant nations."

President of the Royal Society, Minutes of Council, Volume 8.
pp.149-153, Royal Society, London. 20th November, 1817..

Regards

Bonzo

"...and I think future generations are not going to blame us for
anything except for being silly, for letting a few tenths of a degree
panic us"
Dr. Richard Lindzen, Professor of Meteorology MIT and Member of the
National Academy of Sciences

"What most commentators-and many scientists-seem to miss is that the
only thing we can say with certainly about climate is that it changes"
Dr. Richard Lindzen, Professor of Meteorology MIT and Member of the
National Academy of Sciences

[most of the current alarm over climate change is based on] "inherently
untrustworthy climate models, similar to those that cannot accurately
forecast the weather a week from now." Dr. Richard Lindzen, Professor of
Meteorology MIT and Member of the National Academy of Sciences

[Ext User(Eric Swanson)]

In article <f3kckf$a1u$1@news1.nefonline.de>, spamtrap@frankenexpress.de says...
>
>
>"Eric Swanson" <swanson@NoScrewingAround.net> wrote
>> In article <465cf050$1@dnews.tpgi.com.au>, boozoo@optusnt.com.au says...
>> >
>> >"Usenet-Admin.US" <T.O.S_Enforcement___@Usenet-Admin.US> wrote in
>> >message news:1180495759.048039.28880@g37g2000prf.googlegro ups.com...
>> >> WHERE ARE YOUR TEMPERATURE RECORDINGS?
>> >
>> >
>> >Come, come my son, the observations speak for themselves.
>> >Aside from that, I wasn't there.
>>
>> >"Mr. Scoresby, a very intelligent young man who commands a whaling
>> >vesell from Whitby observed last year that 2000 square leagues (a league
>> >is 3 miles) of ice with which the Greenland Seas between the latitudes
>> >of 74° and 80°N have been hitherto covered, has in the last two years
>> >entirely disappeared. The same person who has never been before able to
>> >penetrate to the westward of the Meridian of Greenwich in these
>> >latitudes was this year able to proceed to 10°, 30'W where he saw the
>> >coast of East Greenland and entertained no doubt of being able to reach
>> >the land had not his duty to his employers made it necessary for him to
>> >abandon the undertaking. "
>>
>>
>> Mr. Scoresby may have have been a "very intelligent young man", so much
>> so that he did the impossible. Greenland can't be seen from 10.5W between
>> 74N and 80N...
>>
>> http://www.lib.utexas.edu/maps/islands_oceans_poles/greenland.jpg
>
>Why not?
>At 74°N there are about 200 miles to the coast and from 80°N less
>than 100 miles.
>There is nothing between but water.

The Earth is a sphere, not flat. That fact limits how far one may see any
feature standing above sea level. Using one's eye to measure distance can
give false results. My guess is more than 100 miles at 80N. But, the comment
is about sea-ice, which tends to flow southwards from the Arctic Ocean thru
the Fram Strait along the eastern coast of Greenland. It's not likely that
there would be open water there, depending on the season.

Here's what the sea-ice extent looked like near last season's minimum:

ftp://polar.ncep.noaa.gov/pub/ice/nh/2006/nh12.20060922.gif

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[Ext User(Peter Muehlbauer)]

"Eric Swanson" <swanson@NoScrewingAround.net> wrote
> In article <f3kckf$a1u$1@news1.nefonline.de>, spamtrap@frankenexpress.de says...
> >
> >
> >"Eric Swanson" <swanson@NoScrewingAround.net> wrote
> >> In article <465cf050$1@dnews.tpgi.com.au>, boozoo@optusnt.com.au says...
> >> >
> >> >"Usenet-Admin.US" <T.O.S_Enforcement___@Usenet-Admin.US> wrote in
> >> >message news:1180495759.048039.28880@g37g2000prf.googlegro ups.com...
> >> >> WHERE ARE YOUR TEMPERATURE RECORDINGS?
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >Come, come my son, the observations speak for themselves.
> >> >Aside from that, I wasn't there.
> >>
> >> >"Mr. Scoresby, a very intelligent young man who commands a whaling
> >> >vesell from Whitby observed last year that 2000 square leagues (a league
> >> >is 3 miles) of ice with which the Greenland Seas between the latitudes
> >> >of 74° and 80°N have been hitherto covered, has in the last two years
> >> >entirely disappeared. The same person who has never been before able to
> >> >penetrate to the westward of the Meridian of Greenwich in these
> >> >latitudes was this year able to proceed to 10°, 30'W where he saw the
> >> >coast of East Greenland and entertained no doubt of being able to reach
> >> >the land had not his duty to his employers made it necessary for him to
> >> >abandon the undertaking. "
> >>
> >>
> >> Mr. Scoresby may have have been a "very intelligent young man", so much
> >> so that he did the impossible. Greenland can't be seen from 10.5W between
> >> 74N and 80N...
> >>
> >> http://www.lib.utexas.edu/maps/islands_oceans_poles/greenland.jpg
> >
> >Why not?
> >At 74°N there are about 200 miles to the coast and from 80°N less
> >than 100 miles.
> >There is nothing between but water.
>
> The Earth is a sphere, not flat. That fact limits how far one may see any
> feature standing above sea level. Using one's eye to measure distance can
> give false results. My guess is more than 100 miles at 80N. But, the comment
> is about sea-ice, which tends to flow southwards from the Arctic Ocean thru
> the Fram Strait along the eastern coast of Greenland. It's not likely that
> there would be open water there, depending on the season.

On clear days you have a wonderful sight on the alpes from Munich.
That's a bit more than 150 km. If the alpes won't be there, you might be
able to see Italy.
The only problem is rising warm air from the surface that causes striae.
But they do not exist on cold sea water, I assume.
Therefore it can absolutely be possible that he's seen Greenlands coast.

[Ext User(Peter Muehlbauer)]

"Peter Muehlbauer" <spamtrap@frankenexpress.de> wrote
>
> "Eric Swanson" <swanson@NoScrewingAround.net> wrote
> > In article <f3kckf$a1u$1@news1.nefonline.de>, spamtrap@frankenexpress.de says...
> > >
> > >
> > >"Eric Swanson" <swanson@NoScrewingAround.net> wrote
> > >> In article <465cf050$1@dnews.tpgi.com.au>, boozoo@optusnt.com.au says...
> > >> >
> > >> >"Usenet-Admin.US" <T.O.S_Enforcement___@Usenet-Admin.US> wrote in
> > >> >message news:1180495759.048039.28880@g37g2000prf.googlegro ups.com...
> > >> >> WHERE ARE YOUR TEMPERATURE RECORDINGS?
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> >Come, come my son, the observations speak for themselves.
> > >> >Aside from that, I wasn't there.
> > >>
> > >> >"Mr. Scoresby, a very intelligent young man who commands a whaling
> > >> >vesell from Whitby observed last year that 2000 square leagues (a league
> > >> >is 3 miles) of ice with which the Greenland Seas between the latitudes
> > >> >of 74° and 80°N have been hitherto covered, has in the last two years
> > >> >entirely disappeared. The same person who has never been before able to
> > >> >penetrate to the westward of the Meridian of Greenwich in these
> > >> >latitudes was this year able to proceed to 10°, 30'W where he saw the
> > >> >coast of East Greenland and entertained no doubt of being able to reach
> > >> >the land had not his duty to his employers made it necessary for him to
> > >> >abandon the undertaking. "
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> Mr. Scoresby may have have been a "very intelligent young man", so much
> > >> so that he did the impossible. Greenland can't be seen from 10.5W between
> > >> 74N and 80N...
> > >>
> > >> http://www.lib.utexas.edu/maps/islands_oceans_poles/greenland.jpg
> > >
> > >Why not?
> > >At 74°N there are about 200 miles to the coast and from 80°N less
> > >than 100 miles.
> > >There is nothing between but water.
> >
> > The Earth is a sphere, not flat. That fact limits how far one may see any
> > feature standing above sea level. Using one's eye to measure distance can
> > give false results. My guess is more than 100 miles at 80N. But, the comment
> > is about sea-ice, which tends to flow southwards from the Arctic Ocean thru
> > the Fram Strait along the eastern coast of Greenland. It's not likely that
> > there would be open water there, depending on the season.
>
> On clear days you have a wonderful sight on the alpes from Munich.
> That's a bit more than 150 km. If the alpes won't be there, you might be
> able to see Italy.
> The only problem is rising warm air from the surface that causes striae.
> But they do not exist on cold sea water, I assume.
> Therefore it can absolutely be possible that he's seen Greenlands coast.

I forgot the refraction index of air. It makes possible to see objects a little bit
"nearer", means "behind" the real horizon, even at long distances.

[Ext User(Eric Swanson)]

In article <465cedfe@dnews.tpgi.com.au>, boozoo@optusnt.com.au says...
>
>WHERE WERE THE ALARMISTS IN 1817??????
>
>"It will without doubt have come to your Lordship's knowledge that a
>considerable change of climate inexplicable at present to us must have
>taken place in the Circumpolar Regions, by which the severity of the
>cold that has for centuries past inclosed the seas in the high northern
>latitudes in an impenetrable barrier of ice has been during the last two
>years greatly abated. "
>
>"Mr. Scoresby, a very intelligent young man who commands a whaling
>vesell from Whitby observed last year that 2000 square leagues (a league
>is 3 miles) of ice with which the Greenland Seas between the latitudes
>of 74° and 80°N have been hitherto covered, has in the last two years
>entirely disappeared. The same person who has never been before able to
>penetrate to the westward of the Meridian of Greenwich in these
>latitudes was this year able to proceed to 10°, 30'W where he saw the
>coast of East Greenland and entertained no doubt of being able to reach
>the land had not his duty to his employers made it necessary for him to
>abandon the undertaking. "

No mention of the date of these observations. Mr. Scoresby may have made
his trip in early autumn, instead of summer. There's a cycle in sea-ice,
with minimum area in September of October in recent years.

>"This, with information of a similar nature derived from other sources;
>the unusual abundance of ice islands that have during the last two
>summers been brought by currents from Davies Streights (sic) into the
>Atlantic. The ice which has this year surrounded the northern coast of
>Ireland in unusual quantity and remained there unthawed till the middle
>of August, with the floods which have during the whole summer inundated
>all those parts of Germany where rivers have their sources in snowy
>mountains, afford ample proof that new sources of warmth have been
>opened and give us leave to hope that the Arctic Seas may at this time
>be more accessible than they have been for centuries past, and that
>discoveries may now be made in them not only interesting to the
>advancement of science but also tot he future intercourse of mankind and
>the commerce of distant nations."
>
>President of the Royal Society, Minutes of Council, Volume 8.
>pp.149-153, Royal Society, London. 20th November, 1817..

Ever heard of "The Year without Summer" of 1816? It would be no surprise
that sea-ice appeared as far south as Ireland, after Tambora in 1815.

Bozo the Troll still has a lot to learn...

--
Eric Swanson --- E-mail address: e_swanson(at)skybest.com :-)
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[Ext User(Eric Swanson)]

In article <465cf050$1@dnews.tpgi.com.au>, boozoo@optusnt.com.au says...
>
>"Usenet-Admin.US" <T.O.S_Enforcement___@Usenet-Admin.US> wrote in
>message news:1180495759.048039.28880@g37g2000prf.googlegro ups.com...
>> WHERE ARE YOUR TEMPERATURE RECORDINGS?
>
>
>Come, come my son, the observations speak for themselves.
>Aside from that, I wasn't there.

>"Mr. Scoresby, a very intelligent young man who commands a whaling
>vesell from Whitby observed last year that 2000 square leagues (a league
>is 3 miles) of ice with which the Greenland Seas between the latitudes
>of 74° and 80°N have been hitherto covered, has in the last two years
>entirely disappeared. The same person who has never been before able to
>penetrate to the westward of the Meridian of Greenwich in these
>latitudes was this year able to proceed to 10°, 30'W where he saw the
>coast of East Greenland and entertained no doubt of being able to reach
>the land had not his duty to his employers made it necessary for him to
>abandon the undertaking. "


Mr. Scoresby may have have been a "very intelligent young man", so much
so that he did the impossible. Greenland can't be seen from 10.5W between
74N and 80N...

http://www.lib.utexas.edu/maps/islands_oceans_poles/greenland.jpg

Bozo the Troll (quoting John Daly's propaganda web site), loses again.

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Eric Swanson --- E-mail address: e_swanson(at)skybest.com :-)
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[Ext User(Peter Muehlbauer)]

"Eric Swanson" <swanson@NoScrewingAround.net> wrote
> In article <465cf050$1@dnews.tpgi.com.au>, boozoo@optusnt.com.au says...
> >
> >"Usenet-Admin.US" <T.O.S_Enforcement___@Usenet-Admin.US> wrote in
> >message news:1180495759.048039.28880@g37g2000prf.googlegro ups.com...
> >> WHERE ARE YOUR TEMPERATURE RECORDINGS?
> >
> >
> >Come, come my son, the observations speak for themselves.
> >Aside from that, I wasn't there.
>
> >"Mr. Scoresby, a very intelligent young man who commands a whaling
> >vesell from Whitby observed last year that 2000 square leagues (a league
> >is 3 miles) of ice with which the Greenland Seas between the latitudes
> >of 74° and 80°N have been hitherto covered, has in the last two years
> >entirely disappeared. The same person who has never been before able to
> >penetrate to the westward of the Meridian of Greenwich in these
> >latitudes was this year able to proceed to 10°, 30'W where he saw the
> >coast of East Greenland and entertained no doubt of being able to reach
> >the land had not his duty to his employers made it necessary for him to
> >abandon the undertaking. "
>
>
> Mr. Scoresby may have have been a "very intelligent young man", so much
> so that he did the impossible. Greenland can't be seen from 10.5W between
> 74N and 80N...
>
> http://www.lib.utexas.edu/maps/islands_oceans_poles/greenland.jpg

Why not?
At 74°N there are about 200 miles to the coast and from 80°N less
than 100 miles.
There is nothing between but water.