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Ext User(David Morgan \(MAMS\))
02-06-2007, 07:33 PM
How does one enable alternate text characters for Spanish emphasis
using XP Home or MS Word in Office 2000?


TIA,

DM

Ext User(Ken Blake, MVP)
03-06-2007, 03:21 AM
On Sat, 02 Jun 2007 08:19:20 GMT, "David Morgan \(MAMS\)"
<findme@m-a-m-s.comC/Odm> wrote:

>How does one enable alternate text characters for Spanish emphasis
>using XP Home or MS Word in Office 2000?



I use and recommend a little freeware background program called
AllChars. This lets me (in all applications, not just Word) type many
common special characters (many of these are used in other languages,
not just Spanish) by pressing the ctrl key followed by a two character
mnemonic combination.

For example, for the two characters are ~ and n. For it's c and ,
For it's u and "

Go to http://allchars.zwolnet.com/

There are several ways to do this, and you will undoubtedly get
recommendation for others . I find AllChars to be the easiest way to
do this by far.

--
Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP Windows - Shell/User
Please Reply to the Newsgroup

Ext User(Rhubarb)
03-06-2007, 06:19 AM
Thanks Ken!
Just got it, looking forward to using it.
bye

"Ken Blake, MVP" wrote:

> On Sat, 02 Jun 2007 08:19:20 GMT, "David Morgan \(MAMS\)"
> <findme@m-a-m-s.comC/Odm> wrote:
>
> >How does one enable alternate text characters for Spanish emphasis
> >using XP Home or MS Word in Office 2000?
>
>
>
> I use and recommend a little freeware background program called
> AllChars. This lets me (in all applications, not just Word) type many
> common special characters (many of these are used in other languages,
> not just Spanish) by pressing the ctrl key followed by a two character
> mnemonic combination.
>
> For example, for ñ the two characters are ~ and n. For ç it's c and ,
> For ü it's u and "
>
> Go to http://allchars.zwolnet.com/
>
> There are several ways to do this, and you will undoubtedly get
> recommendation for others . I find AllChars to be the easiest way to
> do this by far.
>
> --
> Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP Windows - Shell/User
> Please Reply to the Newsgroup
>

Ext User(Rhubarb)
03-06-2007, 06:19 AM
Thanks Ken,
Just got it, looking forward to using it!

"Ken Blake, MVP" wrote:

> On Sat, 02 Jun 2007 08:19:20 GMT, "David Morgan \(MAMS\)"
> <findme@m-a-m-s.comC/Odm> wrote:
>
> >How does one enable alternate text characters for Spanish emphasis
> >using XP Home or MS Word in Office 2000?
>
>
>
> I use and recommend a little freeware background program called
> AllChars.

Ext User(Ken Blake, MVP)
03-06-2007, 07:02 AM
On Sat, 2 Jun 2007 11:47:01 -0700, Rhubarb
<Rhubarb@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:

>Thanks Ken,
>Just got it, looking forward to using it!


Great. After you've tried it for a while, let me (and others here)
know how you like it.



>"Ken Blake, MVP" wrote:
>
>> On Sat, 02 Jun 2007 08:19:20 GMT, "David Morgan \(MAMS\)"
>> <findme@m-a-m-s.comC/Odm> wrote:
>>
>> >How does one enable alternate text characters for Spanish emphasis
>> >using XP Home or MS Word in Office 2000?
>>
>>
>>
>> I use and recommend a little freeware background program called
>> AllChars.

--
Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP Windows - Shell/User
Please Reply to the Newsgroup

Ext User(David Morgan \(MAMS\))
03-06-2007, 07:02 AM
"Ken Blake, MVP" <kblake@this.is.am.invalid.domain> wrote in message news:bgh363l81op6uqe1m6dg22pcdnqh28j2k5@4ax.com...
> On Sat, 2 Jun 2007 11:47:01 -0700, Rhubarb
> <Rhubarb@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:
>
> >Thanks Ken,
> >Just got it, looking forward to using it!
>
>
> Great. After you've tried it for a while, let me (and others here)
> know how you like it.
>
>
>
> >"Ken Blake, MVP" wrote:
> >
> >> On Sat, 02 Jun 2007 08:19:20 GMT, "David Morgan \(MAMS\)"
> >> <findme@m-a-m-s.comC/Odm> wrote:
> >>
> >> >How does one enable alternate text characters for Spanish emphasis
> >> >using XP Home or MS Word in Office 2000?
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> I use and recommend a little freeware background program called
> >> AllChars.
>
> --
> Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP Windows - Shell/User
> Please Reply to the Newsgroup


Should I assume that this means there is no standard 'alt' text function
included with the MS products??

My dilemma is that I just assembled a new PC for this gentleman who was
using a P-I, 233 with Win-98, and he had the function previously with no
known 3rd party software installed... only MS Office 2K.

TIA,

DM

Ext User(Ken Blake, MVP)
03-06-2007, 08:00 AM
On Sat, 02 Jun 2007 19:43:54 GMT, "David Morgan \(MAMS\)"
<findme@m-a-m-s.comC/Odm> wrote:

>
>"Ken Blake, MVP" <kblake@this.is.am.invalid.domain> wrote in message news:bgh363l81op6uqe1m6dg22pcdnqh28j2k5@4ax.com...
>> On Sat, 2 Jun 2007 11:47:01 -0700, Rhubarb
>> <Rhubarb@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:
>>
>> >Thanks Ken,
>> >Just got it, looking forward to using it!
>>
>>
>> Great. After you've tried it for a while, let me (and others here)
>> know how you like it.
>>
>>
>>
>> >"Ken Blake, MVP" wrote:
>> >
>> >> On Sat, 02 Jun 2007 08:19:20 GMT, "David Morgan \(MAMS\)"
>> >> <findme@m-a-m-s.comC/Odm> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >How does one enable alternate text characters for Spanish emphasis
>> >> >using XP Home or MS Word in Office 2000?
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> I use and recommend a little freeware background program called
>> >> AllChars.
>>
>> --
>> Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP Windows - Shell/User
>> Please Reply to the Newsgroup
>
>
>Should I assume that this means there is no standard 'alt' text function
>included with the MS products??


No, don't assume that. You can use Character Map. You can use
Alt+numeric key combinations,. You can use the US International
keyboard.

As I said earlier, there's more than one way to do this. I just think
AllChars is by far the easiest to use.


>My dilemma is that I just assembled a new PC for this gentleman who was
>using a P-I, 233 with Win-98, and he had the function previously with no
>known 3rd party software installed... only MS Office 2K.
>
>TIA,
>
>DM
>

--
Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP Windows - Shell/User
Please Reply to the Newsgroup

Ext User(Narcoossee)
03-06-2007, 08:00 AM
Well, I downloaded the 4.0 beta. Right off the bat when I tried to open the
..exe, it said that it was out of date and to contact the website. :>P~ I
sent them an email, no reply as of yet. I will share it when it is received.
Thanks again.
"Ken Blake, MVP" <kblake@this.is.am.invalid.domain> wrote in message
news:d8k363d1k02ot4n828nkskcg7lso3rbira@4ax.com...
> On Sat, 02 Jun 2007 19:43:54 GMT, "David Morgan \(MAMS\)"
> <findme@m-a-m-s.comC/Odm> wrote:
>
>>
>>"Ken Blake, MVP" <kblake@this.is.am.invalid.domain> wrote in message
>>news:bgh363l81op6uqe1m6dg22pcdnqh28j2k5@4ax.com...
>>> On Sat, 2 Jun 2007 11:47:01 -0700, Rhubarb
>>> <Rhubarb@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> >Thanks Ken,
>>> >Just got it, looking forward to using it!
>>>
>>>
>>> Great. After you've tried it for a while, let me (and others here)
>>> know how you like it.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> >"Ken Blake, MVP" wrote:
>>> >
>>> >> On Sat, 02 Jun 2007 08:19:20 GMT, "David Morgan \(MAMS\)"
>>> >> <findme@m-a-m-s.comC/Odm> wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >> >How does one enable alternate text characters for Spanish emphasis
>>> >> >using XP Home or MS Word in Office 2000?
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> I use and recommend a little freeware background program called
>>> >> AllChars.
>>>
>>> --
>>> Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP Windows - Shell/User
>>> Please Reply to the Newsgroup
>>
>>
>>Should I assume that this means there is no standard 'alt' text function
>>included with the MS products??
>
>
> No, don't assume that. You can use Character Map. You can use
> Alt+numeric key combinations,. You can use the US International
> keyboard.
>
> As I said earlier, there's more than one way to do this. I just think
> AllChars is by far the easiest to use.
>
>
>>My dilemma is that I just assembled a new PC for this gentleman who was
>>using a P-I, 233 with Win-98, and he had the function previously with no
>>known 3rd party software installed... only MS Office 2K.
>>
>>TIA,
>>
>>DM
>>
>
> --
> Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP Windows - Shell/User
> Please Reply to the Newsgroup

Ext User(James Silverton)
03-06-2007, 09:54 AM
Rhubarb wrote on Sat, 2 Jun 2007 11:45:00 -0700:

R> "Ken Blake, MVP" wrote:

??>> On Sat, 02 Jun 2007 08:19:20 GMT, "David Morgan \(MAMS\)"
??>> <findme@m-a-m-s.comC/Odm> wrote:
??>>
??>>> How does one enable alternate text characters for Spanish
??>>> emphasis using XP Home or MS Word in Office 2000?
??>>
??>> I use and recommend a little freeware background program
??>> called AllChars. This lets me (in all applications, not
??>> just Word) type many common special characters (many of
??>> these are used in other languages, not just Spanish) by
??>> pressing the ctrl key followed by a two character mnemonic
??>> combination.
??>>
??>> For example, for ñ the two characters are ~ and n. For ç
??>> it's c and , For ü it's u and "
??>>
??>> Go to http://allchars.zwolnet.com/
??>>
??>> There are several ways to do this, and you will
??>> undoubtedly get recommendation for others . I find
??>> AllChars to be the easiest way to do this by far.

But thesame process *is* available in Word 2002: CTRL+`e gives
è (e grave) in Word. There is a whole range of accents and
decorations including umlauts and Icelandic and Old English
letters. I wonder why the cheapskates did not incorporate it
into Excel?


James Silverton
Potomac, Maryland

E-mail, with obvious alterations:
not.jim.silverton.at.verizon.not

Ext User(Ken Blake, MVP)
03-06-2007, 10:14 AM
On Sat, 2 Jun 2007 16:37:55 -0400, "Narcoossee" <Isellfla@cfl.rr.com>
wrote:

>Well, I downloaded the 4.0 beta. Right off the bat when I tried to open the
>.exe, it said that it was out of date and to contact the website. :>P~ I
>sent them an email, no reply as of yet. I will share it when it is received.



I am almost always against using beta software except on a separate
test machine, and only if you are the kind of person who enjoys
fooling around with stuff like this and doesn't mind dealing with
problems. Stick to production versions. I use version 3.6.3


>Thanks again.
>"Ken Blake, MVP" <kblake@this.is.am.invalid.domain> wrote in message
>news:d8k363d1k02ot4n828nkskcg7lso3rbira@4ax.com...
>> On Sat, 02 Jun 2007 19:43:54 GMT, "David Morgan \(MAMS\)"
>> <findme@m-a-m-s.comC/Odm> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>"Ken Blake, MVP" <kblake@this.is.am.invalid.domain> wrote in message
>>>news:bgh363l81op6uqe1m6dg22pcdnqh28j2k5@4ax.com...
>>>> On Sat, 2 Jun 2007 11:47:01 -0700, Rhubarb
>>>> <Rhubarb@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> >Thanks Ken,
>>>> >Just got it, looking forward to using it!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Great. After you've tried it for a while, let me (and others here)
>>>> know how you like it.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> >"Ken Blake, MVP" wrote:
>>>> >
>>>> >> On Sat, 02 Jun 2007 08:19:20 GMT, "David Morgan \(MAMS\)"
>>>> >> <findme@m-a-m-s.comC/Odm> wrote:
>>>> >>
>>>> >> >How does one enable alternate text characters for Spanish emphasis
>>>> >> >using XP Home or MS Word in Office 2000?
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >> I use and recommend a little freeware background program called
>>>> >> AllChars.
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP Windows - Shell/User
>>>> Please Reply to the Newsgroup
>>>
>>>
>>>Should I assume that this means there is no standard 'alt' text function
>>>included with the MS products??
>>
>>
>> No, don't assume that. You can use Character Map. You can use
>> Alt+numeric key combinations,. You can use the US International
>> keyboard.
>>
>> As I said earlier, there's more than one way to do this. I just think
>> AllChars is by far the easiest to use.
>>
>>
>>>My dilemma is that I just assembled a new PC for this gentleman who was
>>>using a P-I, 233 with Win-98, and he had the function previously with no
>>>known 3rd party software installed... only MS Office 2K.
>>>
>>>TIA,
>>>
>>>DM
>>>
>>
>> --
>> Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP Windows - Shell/User
>> Please Reply to the Newsgroup

--
Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP Windows - Shell/User
Please Reply to the Newsgroup

Ext User(David Morgan \(MAMS\))
03-06-2007, 05:53 PM
"Ken Blake, MVP" <kblake@this.is.am.invalid.domain> wrote in message news:52q363lbteulk9c7m8p19ngd9t0u4gkibh@4ax.com...
> On Sat, 2 Jun 2007 16:37:55 -0400, "Narcoossee" <Isellfla@cfl.rr.com>
> wrote:
>
> >Well, I downloaded the 4.0 beta. Right off the bat when I tried to open the
> >.exe, it said that it was out of date and to contact the website. :>P~ I
> >sent them an email, no reply as of yet. I will share it when it is received.
>
> I am almost always against using beta software except on a separate
> test machine, and only if you are the kind of person who enjoys
> fooling around with stuff like this and doesn't mind dealing with
> problems. Stick to production versions. I use version 3.6.3


I would like to use the functions of the OS or anything in MS Word 2000.

I have followed ALL of the instructions on the MS website, windows updates
Office 2000 instructions and more, to no avail. I have tried all documented
key combinations; I have assured that all forms of Latin text support are
loaded from the XP disk; I have tried multiple options and settings under
the US - International keyboard, and still there is no joy. No alternate
characters appear.

All three of his older PCs (Win-98 and upgrades to Ofc 2K from Ofc 97)
seem to have this function as a default, but they are slow and have no
hardware peripherals... and his ministry serves the latin population of the
community his church is in, so he needs the Latin alternate characters...
only about 10 of them actually.

Is this a font issue?

Where can I go to read more about this or garner troubleshooting tips?

How do I turn the damned thing on? ;-)


TIA,

DM

(I did download 3.6.3 and the patch, but we are trying to keep his brand
new PC free of unecessary OEM software if at all possible... it is to be
a dedicated office box for a small ministry, and we're going to be relying
on long term tech support -if necessary- on the MS products he has
purchased).



> >Thanks again.
> >"Ken Blake, MVP" <kblake@this.is.am.invalid.domain> wrote in message
> >news:d8k363d1k02ot4n828nkskcg7lso3rbira@4ax.com...
> >> On Sat, 02 Jun 2007 19:43:54 GMT, "David Morgan \(MAMS\)"
> >> <findme@m-a-m-s.comC/Odm> wrote:
> >>
> >>>
> >>>"Ken Blake, MVP" <kblake@this.is.am.invalid.domain> wrote in message
> >>>news:bgh363l81op6uqe1m6dg22pcdnqh28j2k5@4ax.com...
> >>>> On Sat, 2 Jun 2007 11:47:01 -0700, Rhubarb
> >>>> <Rhubarb@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> >Thanks Ken,
> >>>> >Just got it, looking forward to using it!
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Great. After you've tried it for a while, let me (and others here)
> >>>> know how you like it.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> >"Ken Blake, MVP" wrote:
> >>>> >
> >>>> >> On Sat, 02 Jun 2007 08:19:20 GMT, "David Morgan \(MAMS\)"
> >>>> >> <findme@m-a-m-s.comC/Odm> wrote:
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >> >How does one enable alternate text characters for Spanish emphasis
> >>>> >> >using XP Home or MS Word in Office 2000?
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >> I use and recommend a little freeware background program called
> >>>> >> AllChars.
> >>>>
> >>>> --
> >>>> Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP Windows - Shell/User
> >>>> Please Reply to the Newsgroup
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>Should I assume that this means there is no standard 'alt' text function
> >>>included with the MS products??
> >>
> >>
> >> No, don't assume that. You can use Character Map. You can use
> >> Alt+numeric key combinations,. You can use the US International
> >> keyboard.
> >>
> >> As I said earlier, there's more than one way to do this. I just think
> >> AllChars is by far the easiest to use.
> >>
> >>
> >>>My dilemma is that I just assembled a new PC for this gentleman who was
> >>>using a P-I, 233 with Win-98, and he had the function previously with no
> >>>known 3rd party software installed... only MS Office 2K.
> >>>
> >>>TIA,
> >>>
> >>>DM
> >>>
> >>
> >> --
> >> Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP Windows - Shell/User
> >> Please Reply to the Newsgroup
>
> --
> Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP Windows - Shell/User
> Please Reply to the Newsgroup

Ext User(Ken Blake, MVP)
04-06-2007, 04:38 AM
On Sun, 03 Jun 2007 06:44:34 GMT, "David Morgan \(MAMS\)"
<findme@m-a-m-s.comC/Odm> wrote:

>
>"Ken Blake, MVP" <kblake@this.is.am.invalid.domain> wrote in message news:52q363lbteulk9c7m8p19ngd9t0u4gkibh@4ax.com...
>> On Sat, 2 Jun 2007 16:37:55 -0400, "Narcoossee" <Isellfla@cfl.rr.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> >Well, I downloaded the 4.0 beta. Right off the bat when I tried to open the
>> >.exe, it said that it was out of date and to contact the website. :>P~ I
>> >sent them an email, no reply as of yet. I will share it when it is received.
>>
>> I am almost always against using beta software except on a separate
>> test machine, and only if you are the kind of person who enjoys
>> fooling around with stuff like this and doesn't mind dealing with
>> problems. Stick to production versions. I use version 3.6.3
>
>
>I would like to use the functions of the OS or anything in MS Word 2000.


Your choice, of course, but I don't understand that point of view at
all. I want to do something the best way I can find to do it.

To me, saying "I would like to use the functions of the OS" is like
saying "I want to use Microsoft Paint (because it's included with
Windows) rather than Adobe Photoshop."


>I have followed ALL of the instructions on the MS website, windows updates
>Office 2000 instructions and more, to no avail. I have tried all documented
>key combinations; I have assured that all forms of Latin text support are
>loaded from the XP disk; I have tried multiple options and settings under
>the US - International keyboard, and still there is no joy. No alternate
>characters appear.
>
>All three of his older PCs (Win-98 and upgrades to Ofc 2K from Ofc 97)
>seem to have this function as a default, but they are slow and have no
>hardware peripherals... and his ministry serves the latin population of the
>community his church is in, so he needs the Latin alternate characters...
>only about 10 of them actually.
>
>Is this a font issue?
>
>Where can I go to read more about this or garner troubleshooting tips?
>
>How do I turn the damned thing on? ;-)
>
>
>TIA,
>
>DM
>
>(I did download 3.6.3 and the patch, but we are trying to keep his brand
>new PC free of unecessary OEM software if at all possible... it is to be
>a dedicated office box for a small ministry, and we're going to be relying
>on long term tech support -if necessary- on the MS products he has
>purchased).
>
>
>
>> >Thanks again.
>> >"Ken Blake, MVP" <kblake@this.is.am.invalid.domain> wrote in message
>> >news:d8k363d1k02ot4n828nkskcg7lso3rbira@4ax.com...
>> >> On Sat, 02 Jun 2007 19:43:54 GMT, "David Morgan \(MAMS\)"
>> >> <findme@m-a-m-s.comC/Odm> wrote:
>> >>
>> >>>
>> >>>"Ken Blake, MVP" <kblake@this.is.am.invalid.domain> wrote in message
>> >>>news:bgh363l81op6uqe1m6dg22pcdnqh28j2k5@4ax.com...
>> >>>> On Sat, 2 Jun 2007 11:47:01 -0700, Rhubarb
>> >>>> <Rhubarb@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:
>> >>>>
>> >>>> >Thanks Ken,
>> >>>> >Just got it, looking forward to using it!
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Great. After you've tried it for a while, let me (and others here)
>> >>>> know how you like it.
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>> >"Ken Blake, MVP" wrote:
>> >>>> >
>> >>>> >> On Sat, 02 Jun 2007 08:19:20 GMT, "David Morgan \(MAMS\)"
>> >>>> >> <findme@m-a-m-s.comC/Odm> wrote:
>> >>>> >>
>> >>>> >> >How does one enable alternate text characters for Spanish emphasis
>> >>>> >> >using XP Home or MS Word in Office 2000?
>> >>>> >>
>> >>>> >>
>> >>>> >>
>> >>>> >> I use and recommend a little freeware background program called
>> >>>> >> AllChars.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> --
>> >>>> Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP Windows - Shell/User
>> >>>> Please Reply to the Newsgroup
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>Should I assume that this means there is no standard 'alt' text function
>> >>>included with the MS products??
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> No, don't assume that. You can use Character Map. You can use
>> >> Alt+numeric key combinations,. You can use the US International
>> >> keyboard.
>> >>
>> >> As I said earlier, there's more than one way to do this. I just think
>> >> AllChars is by far the easiest to use.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>>My dilemma is that I just assembled a new PC for this gentleman who was
>> >>>using a P-I, 233 with Win-98, and he had the function previously with no
>> >>>known 3rd party software installed... only MS Office 2K.
>> >>>
>> >>>TIA,
>> >>>
>> >>>DM
>> >>>
>> >>
>> >> --
>> >> Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP Windows - Shell/User
>> >> Please Reply to the Newsgroup
>>
>> --
>> Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP Windows - Shell/User
>> Please Reply to the Newsgroup
>

--
Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP Windows - Shell/User
Please Reply to the Newsgroup

Ext User(David Morgan \(MAMS\))
04-06-2007, 04:47 AM
"Ken Blake, MVP" <kblake@this.is.am.invalid.domain> wrote in message news:d8k363d1k02ot4n828nkskcg7lso3rbira@4ax.com...
> On Sat, 02 Jun 2007 19:43:54 GMT, "David Morgan \(MAMS\)"
> <findme@m-a-m-s.comC/Odm> wrote:
>
> >
> >"Ken Blake, MVP" <kblake@this.is.am.invalid.domain> wrote in message news:bgh363l81op6uqe1m6dg22pcdnqh28j2k5@4ax.com...
> >> On Sat, 2 Jun 2007 11:47:01 -0700, Rhubarb
> >> <Rhubarb@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> >Thanks Ken,
> >> >Just got it, looking forward to using it!
> >>
> >>
> >> Great. After you've tried it for a while, let me (and others here)
> >> know how you like it.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> >"Ken Blake, MVP" wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> On Sat, 02 Jun 2007 08:19:20 GMT, "David Morgan \(MAMS\)"
> >> >> <findme@m-a-m-s.comC/Odm> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> >How does one enable alternate text characters for Spanish emphasis
> >> >> >using XP Home or MS Word in Office 2000?
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> I use and recommend a little freeware background program called
> >> >> AllChars.
> >>
> >> --
> >> Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP Windows - Shell/User
> >> Please Reply to the Newsgroup
> >
> >
> >Should I assume that this means there is no standard 'alt' text function
> >included with the MS products??
>
>
> No, don't assume that. You can use Character Map. You can use
> Alt+numeric key combinations,. You can use the US International
> keyboard.
>
> As I said earlier, there's more than one way to do this. I just think
> AllChars is by far the easiest to use.
would like to use the functions of the OS or anything in MS Word 2000.


I have followed ALL of the instructions on the MS website, windows updates
Office 2000 instructions and more, to no avail. I have tried all documented
key combinations; I have assured that all forms of Latin text support are
loaded from the XP disk; I have tried multiple options and settings under
the US - International keyboard, and still there is no joy. No alternate
characters appear.

All three of his older PCs (Win-98 and upgrades to Ofc 2K from Ofc 97)
seem to have this function as a default, but they are slow and have no
hardware peripherals... and his ministry serves the latin population of the
community his church is in, so he needs the Latin alternate characters...
only about 10 of them actually.

Is this a font issue?

Is there an OS glitch? Something I am missing in Word?

Where can I go to read more about this or garner troubleshooting tips?


TIA,

DM

(I did download 3.6.3 and the patch, but we are trying to keep his brand
new PC free of unecessary OEM software if at all possible... it is to be
a dedicated office box for a small ministry, and we're going to be relying
on long term tech support -if necessary- on the MS products he has
purchased).

Ext User(David Morgan \(MAMS\))
04-06-2007, 04:13 PM
"Ken Blake, MVP" <kblake@this.is.am.invalid.domain> wrote in message news:udu563tq1alkaa5dmnj9kkhdun456c9fjk@4ax.com...
> On Sun, 03 Jun 2007 06:44:34 GMT, "David Morgan \(MAMS\)"
> <findme@m-a-m-s.comC/Odm> wrote:
>
> >
> >"Ken Blake, MVP" <kblake@this.is.am.invalid.domain> wrote in message news:52q363lbteulk9c7m8p19ngd9t0u4gkibh@4ax.com...
> >> On Sat, 2 Jun 2007 16:37:55 -0400, "Narcoossee" <Isellfla@cfl.rr.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> >Well, I downloaded the 4.0 beta. Right off the bat when I tried to open the
> >> >.exe, it said that it was out of date and to contact the website. :>P~ I
> >> >sent them an email, no reply as of yet. I will share it when it is received.
> >>
> >> I am almost always against using beta software except on a separate
> >> test machine, and only if you are the kind of person who enjoys
> >> fooling around with stuff like this and doesn't mind dealing with
> >> problems. Stick to production versions. I use version 3.6.3
> >
> >
> >I would like to use the functions of the OS or anything in MS Word 2000.



> Your choice, of course, but I don't understand that point of view at
> all. I want to do something the best way I can find to do it.
>
> To me, saying "I would like to use the functions of the OS" is like
> saying "I want to use Microsoft Paint (because it's included with
> Windows) rather than Adobe Photoshop."


Can you tell me what the hell I'm doing wrong, or not?




> >I have followed ALL of the instructions on the MS website, windows updates
> >Office 2000 instructions and more, to no avail. I have tried all documented
> >key combinations; I have assured that all forms of Latin text support are
> >loaded from the XP disk; I have tried multiple options and settings under
> >the US - International keyboard, and still there is no joy. No alternate
> >characters appear.
> >
> >All three of his older PCs (Win-98 and upgrades to Ofc 2K from Ofc 97)
> >seem to have this function as a default, but they are slow and have no
> >hardware peripherals... and his ministry serves the latin population of the
> >community his church is in, so he needs the Latin alternate characters...
> >only about 10 of them actually.
> >
> >Is this a font issue?
> >
> >Where can I go to read more about this or garner troubleshooting tips?
> >
> >How do I turn the damned thing on? ;-)
> >
> >
> >TIA,
> >
> >DM
> >
> >(I did download 3.6.3 and the patch, but we are trying to keep his brand
> >new PC free of unecessary OEM software if at all possible... it is to be
> >a dedicated office box for a small ministry, and we're going to be relying
> >on long term tech support -if necessary- on the MS products he has
> >purchased).
> >
> >
> >
> >> >Thanks again.
> >> >"Ken Blake, MVP" <kblake@this.is.am.invalid.domain> wrote in message
> >> >news:d8k363d1k02ot4n828nkskcg7lso3rbira@4ax.com...
> >> >> On Sat, 02 Jun 2007 19:43:54 GMT, "David Morgan \(MAMS\)"
> >> >> <findme@m-a-m-s.comC/Odm> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >>>
> >> >>>"Ken Blake, MVP" <kblake@this.is.am.invalid.domain> wrote in message
> >> >>>news:bgh363l81op6uqe1m6dg22pcdnqh28j2k5@4ax.com...
> >> >>>> On Sat, 2 Jun 2007 11:47:01 -0700, Rhubarb
> >> >>>> <Rhubarb@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> >Thanks Ken,
> >> >>>> >Just got it, looking forward to using it!
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> Great. After you've tried it for a while, let me (and others here)
> >> >>>> know how you like it.
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> >"Ken Blake, MVP" wrote:
> >> >>>> >
> >> >>>> >> On Sat, 02 Jun 2007 08:19:20 GMT, "David Morgan \(MAMS\)"
> >> >>>> >> <findme@m-a-m-s.comC/Odm> wrote:
> >> >>>> >>
> >> >>>> >> >How does one enable alternate text characters for Spanish emphasis
> >> >>>> >> >using XP Home or MS Word in Office 2000?
> >> >>>> >>
> >> >>>> >>
> >> >>>> >>
> >> >>>> >> I use and recommend a little freeware background program called
> >> >>>> >> AllChars.
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> --
> >> >>>> Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP Windows - Shell/User
> >> >>>> Please Reply to the Newsgroup
> >> >>>
> >> >>>
> >> >>>Should I assume that this means there is no standard 'alt' text function
> >> >>>included with the MS products??
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> No, don't assume that. You can use Character Map. You can use
> >> >> Alt+numeric key combinations,. You can use the US International
> >> >> keyboard.
> >> >>
> >> >> As I said earlier, there's more than one way to do this. I just think
> >> >> AllChars is by far the easiest to use.
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>>My dilemma is that I just assembled a new PC for this gentleman who was
> >> >>>using a P-I, 233 with Win-98, and he had the function previously with no
> >> >>>known 3rd party software installed... only MS Office 2K.
> >> >>>
> >> >>>TIA,
> >> >>>
> >> >>>DM
> >> >>>
> >> >>
> >> >> --
> >> >> Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP Windows - Shell/User
> >> >> Please Reply to the Newsgroup
> >>
> >> --
> >> Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP Windows - Shell/User
> >> Please Reply to the Newsgroup
> >
>
> --
> Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP Windows - Shell/User
> Please Reply to the Newsgroup

Ext User(David Morgan \(MAMS\))
04-06-2007, 05:33 PM
"Ken Blake, MVP" <kblake@this.is.am.invalid.domain> wrote in message news:udu563tq1alkaa5dmnj9kkhdun456c9fjk@4ax.com...

> On Sun, 03 Jun 2007 06:44:34 GMT, "David Morgan \(MAMS\)"
> <findme@m-a-m-s.comC/Odm> wrote:

> >"Ken Blake, MVP" <kblake@this.is.am.invalid.domain> wrote in message news:52q363lbteulk9c7m8p19ngd9t0u4gkibh@4ax.com...

> >> On Sat, 2 Jun 2007 16:37:55 -0400, "Narcoossee" <Isellfla@cfl.rr.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> >Well, I downloaded the 4.0 beta. Right off the bat when I tried to open the
> >> >.exe, it said that it was out of date and to contact the website. :>P~ I
> >> >sent them an email, no reply as of yet. I will share it when it is received.

> >> I am almost always against using beta software except on a separate
> >> test machine, and only if you are the kind of person who enjoys
> >> fooling around with stuff like this and doesn't mind dealing with
> >> problems. Stick to production versions. I use version 3.6.3


> > I would like to use the functions of the OS or anything in MS Word 2000.


> Your choice, of course, but I don't understand that point of view at
> all. I want to do something the best way I can find to do it.

It's not my choice, it's the buyers choice... and I could use some help.

> To me, saying "I would like to use the functions of the OS" is like
> saying "I want to use Microsoft Paint (because it's included with
> Windows) rather than Adobe Photoshop."

We're talking about simple typing here, not a career in graphics...
and a function that appears to work automatically on three other
old PCs in the same office with Win98SE.


Ken (Microsoft MVP Windows),

Sorry Ken... I don't mean to be rude, but you responded to my earlier
querry regarding a problem that apparently rests either with my ignorance
or with the current (clean install) configuration of an MS XP operating system.

First, instead of addressing either, you referred me to a piece of OEM software
and suggested that I install it rather than to deal with the MS XP product features.

Secondly, on my second querry regarding the XP OS's capabilities, you offerred
that there were indeed ways to address this issue within the MS product, but
failed to provide any instructions or directions to tutorials or troubleshooting
tools while skirting the original issue and implying that choosing to deal with
the Microsoft OS was simply a bad idea.

Thirdly, I tried to remedy the situation again on my own and returned with no
solution to ask you again why a fresh install of XP Home has no 'alt #' text
capabilities... to which you have now replied once again with the serious
implication that attempting to use the MS WinXP OS is somehow a mistake
because it is inferior, while still skirting the original question completely avoiding
couple of new ones which I directed at the unsolved problem.

I feel obligated to reiterate the original, unanswered question....

"How does one enable alternate text characters for Spanish
emphasis using XP Home or MS Word in Office 2000?"

Please... can you tell me what the problem might be, or can you point me
to some troubleshooting instructions? And please, I am interesting in the
MS operating system functions that are available in WinXP Home for
this purpose if at all possible.


Thanks,

David Morgan (MAMS)
http://www.m-a-m-s DOT com
Morgan Audio Media Service
Dallas, Texas (214) 662-9901
_______________________________________
http://www.januarysound.com



> >I have followed ALL of the instructions on the MS website, windows updates
> >Office 2000 instructions and more, to no avail. I have tried all documented
> >key combinations; I have assured that all forms of Latin text support are
> >loaded from the XP disk; I have tried multiple options and settings under
> >the US - International keyboard, and still there is no joy. No alternate
> >characters appear.
> >
> >All three of his older PCs (Win-98 and upgrades to Ofc 2K from Ofc 97)
> >seem to have this function as a default, but they are slow and have no
> >hardware peripherals... and his ministry serves the latin population of the
> >community his church is in, so he needs the Latin alternate characters...
> >only about 10 of them actually.
> >
> >Is this a font issue?
> >
> >Where can I go to read more about this or garner troubleshooting tips?
> >
> >How do I turn the damned thing on? ;-)
> >
> >
> >TIA,
> >
> >DM
> >
> >(I did download 3.6.3 and the patch, but we are trying to keep his brand
> >new PC free of unecessary OEM software if at all possible... it is to be
> >a dedicated office box for a small ministry, and we're going to be relying
> >on long term tech support -if necessary- on the MS products he has
> >purchased).




> >> >"Ken Blake, MVP" <kblake@this.is.am.invalid.domain> wrote in message
> >> > news:d8k363d1k02ot4n828nkskcg7lso3rbira@4ax.com...

> >> >> On Sat, 02 Jun 2007 19:43:54 GMT, "David Morgan \(MAMS\)"
> >> >> <findme@m-a-m-s.comC/Odm> wrote:

> >> >>>"Ken Blake, MVP" <kblake@this.is.am.invalid.domain> wrote in message
> >> >>> news:bgh363l81op6uqe1m6dg22pcdnqh28j2k5@4ax.com...

> >> >>>> On Sat, 2 Jun 2007 11:47:01 -0700, Rhubarb
> >> >>>> <Rhubarb@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> >Thanks Ken,
> >> >>>> >Just got it, looking forward to using it!
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> Great. After you've tried it for a while, let me (and others here)
> >> >>>> know how you like it.


> >> >>>> >"Ken Blake, MVP" wrote:

> >> >>>> >> On Sat, 02 Jun 2007 08:19:20 GMT, "David Morgan \(MAMS\)"
> >> >>>> >> <findme@m-a-m-s.comC/Odm> wrote:
> >> >>>> >>
> >> >>>> >> >How does one enable alternate text characters for Spanish emphasis
> >> >>>> >> >using XP Home or MS Word in Office 2000?

> >> >>>> >> I use and recommend a little freeware background program called
> >> >>>> >> AllChars.

> >> >>>Should I assume that this means there is no standard 'alt' text function
> >> >>>included with the MS products??

> >> >> No, don't assume that. You can use Character Map. You can use
> >> >> Alt+numeric key combinations,. You can use the US International
> >> >> keyboard.
> >> >>
> >> >> As I said earlier, there's more than one way to do this. I just think
> >> >> AllChars is by far the easiest to use.


> >> >>>My dilemma is that I just assembled a new PC for this gentleman who was
> >> >>>using a P-I, 233 with Win-98, and he had the function previously with no
> >> >>>known 3rd party software installed... only MS Office 2K.
> >> >>>
> >> >>>TIA,
> >> >>>
> >> >>>DM
> >> >>>
> >> >>
> >> >> --
> >> >> Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP Windows - Shell/User
> >> >> Please Reply to the Newsgroup
> >>
> >> --
> >> Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP Windows - Shell/User
> >> Please Reply to the Newsgroup
> >
>
> --
> Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP Windows - Shell/User
> Please Reply to the Newsgroup

Ext User(Nightowl)
05-06-2007, 04:39 AM
"David Morgan (MAMS)" <findme@m-a-m-s.comC/Odm> wrote on Mon, 4 Jun
2007:

>Please... can you tell me what the problem might be, or can you point me
>to some troubleshooting instructions? And please, I am interesting in the
>MS operating system functions that are available in WinXP Home for
>this purpose if at all possible.

Hi David

I've just been reading through your conversation with Ken. . . I can see
you're feeling frustrated and annoyed, but Ken is a good guy :-) and was
trying to help.

Yes, you definitely should be able to use alt-codes in XP Home (or
Character Map, or the US International keyboard, as Ken said).

Can we go back to basics for a minute? Just in case there's something
funny with Word, forget it just for now for the purposes of elimination
-- open Notepad. Set the font to a Windows basic such as Times New Roman
or Arial and type a few characters. Are you able to use Character Map to
copy and paste in a special character? (I'm not suggesting that's
satisfactory as a long-term solution, just trying to see if *any* method
works on this machine).

When you try to use an alt-code, what *exactly* do you do? Please don't
be offended, I'm sure you know what you're doing but I'm trying to get a
picture of exactly what's happening. You do have Num Lock on and are
using the numeric keypad at the far right of the keyboard, not the
numbers on the top row of the "ordinary" keys?

Is Num Lock definitely on; i.e. do numbers appear when you hit the keys
on the numeric pad? If yes: Hold down Alt while you type 0191 on the
numeric keypad, then release Alt. You should get the upside-down
question mark . Any luck? If not, does it make any difference if you
use the other Alt key?

Please let us know how it goes. We do genuinely want to help.

--
Nightowl

Ext User(David Morgan \(MAMS\))
05-06-2007, 06:14 AM
"Nightowl" <owl@[127.0.0.1]> wrote in message news:w0BGpnaZoEZGFwvv@black.hole...
> "David Morgan (MAMS)" <findme@m-a-m-s.comC/Odm> wrote on Mon, 4 Jun
> 2007:
>
> >Please... can you tell me what the problem might be, or can you point me
> >to some troubleshooting instructions? And please, I am interesting in the
> >MS operating system functions that are available in WinXP Home for
> >this purpose if at all possible.
>
> Hi David
>
> I've just been reading through your conversation with Ken. . . I can see
> you're feeling frustrated and annoyed, but Ken is a good guy :-) and was
> trying to help.

I have received benefit from reading Ken's replies in the past, as I hope
that I will maana and in the future.

> Yes, you definitely should be able to use alt-codes in XP Home (or
> Character Map, or the US International keyboard, as Ken said).

I just typed that character with Win98SE on my surfing toy. I have never
encountered this problem before. Character map *is* installed. I applied
the US-International keyboard option as well, with no joy... although there
may be operating issues that I am not familiar with.

> Can we go back to basics for a minute?

Please. ;-)

> Just in case there's something
> funny with Word, forget it just for now for the purposes of elimination
> -- open Notepad. Set the font to a Windows basic such as Times New Roman
> or Arial and type a few characters. Are you able to use Character Map to
> copy and paste in a special character? (I'm not suggesting that's
> satisfactory as a long-term solution, just trying to see if *any* method
> works on this machine).

I will be at the location of the machine around 4:00 pm. I will follow these
instructions and reply around midnight. (Unfortunately, I may have no
choice but to install the OEM software in order to get my client back up
and running, but this will force him to learn new key combinations and
won't be taken as a very efficient 'solution').

I have supported his PCs for some time, and just built and sold him his
first new box in six years, last week. He's been without this 'alt text'
support for several days, and leading a spanish ministry and dealing
with spanish speaking people, it is a requirement for him.

> When you try to use an alt-code, what *exactly* do you do? Please don't
> be offended, I'm sure you know what you're doing but I'm trying to get a
> picture of exactly what's happening.

Hold 'alt' - type the numeric characters - release alt... character appears.
(At least in does on every PC I work with except this new one).

> You do have Num Lock on and are
> using the numeric keypad at the far right of the keyboard, not the
> numbers on the top row of the "ordinary" keys?

Oh geeezzz.... All of my PCs are set up with NumLock as a default in
BIOS... but I failed to check his new installation for this. Since it's a
natural for me, I will assume that it is on... but I'll report back later. It
would be a nice discovery if this were indeed the only problem. He has
been using the OS and 'alt #' characters for so long that he doesn't even
have to think about it when he types. It would make him very happy if
he did not have to load OEM software (which I have preached against
for several years and have always been the one to load for him if and
when it was necessary) and learn new keystroke combinations.

> Is Num Lock definitely on; i.e. do numbers appear when you hit the keys
> on the numeric pad? If yes: Hold down Alt while you type 0191 on the
> numeric keypad, then release Alt. You should get the upside-down
> question mark . Any luck? If not, does it make any difference if you
> use the other Alt key?

Thanks a million for the tips. me crazy? Perhaps. It was stupid of me
not to have checked this function before delivery of a sale to an American
spanish speaking client. Here's to hoping that it was an oversight of the
number-lock on my part.

> Please let us know how it goes. We do genuinely want to help.

Will do.

Cheers,

DM

Ext User(Ken Blake, MVP)
05-06-2007, 07:57 AM
On Mon, 04 Jun 2007 06:21:55 GMT, "David Morgan \(MAMS\)"
<findme@m-a-m-s.comC/Odm> wrote:

>
>"Ken Blake, MVP" <kblake@this.is.am.invalid.domain> wrote in message news:udu563tq1alkaa5dmnj9kkhdun456c9fjk@4ax.com...
>
>> On Sun, 03 Jun 2007 06:44:34 GMT, "David Morgan \(MAMS\)"
>> <findme@m-a-m-s.comC/Odm> wrote:
>
>> >"Ken Blake, MVP" <kblake@this.is.am.invalid.domain> wrote in message news:52q363lbteulk9c7m8p19ngd9t0u4gkibh@4ax.com...
>

>Sorry Ken... I don't mean to be rude, but you responded to my earlier
>querry regarding a problem that apparently rests either with my ignorance
>or with the current (clean install) configuration of an MS XP operating system.
>
>First, instead of addressing either, you referred me to a piece of OEM software
>and suggested that I install it rather than to deal with the MS XP product features.


I recommended what I felt was the best way to deal with the situation.


>Secondly, on my second querry regarding the XP OS's capabilities, you offerred
>that there were indeed ways to address this issue within the MS product, but
>failed to provide any instructions or directions to tutorials or troubleshooting
>tools while skirting the original issue



"Skirting"? I don't think that's an appropriate word. You got several
suggestions on how to do this from others, as I recall, and I didn't
bother to repeat them. Later, I provided a list myself.


> and implying that choosing to deal with
>the Microsoft OS was simply a bad idea.


Not at all. I simply recommended what I felt was a better
easier-to-use approach.

I even provided a list of the built-in Windows ways to do this.

At the risk of repeating myself, here's a list of how to provide
special characters (not just Spanish) without using any extra
software:

1. Use Alt-number key combinations

2. Use Character Map.

3. Use the US International keyboard.

3. Use whatever feature to do this may be built into your word
processor (Word?).

Once again, I don't want to try to talk you into anything you don't
want to do, but my view is that, although of the above can work, they
are more clumsy than the alternative I suggested, which is why I
suggested it.


>Thirdly, I tried to remedy the situation again on my own and returned with no
>solution to ask you again why a fresh install of XP Home has no 'alt #' text
>capabilities...


Sorry, I haven't the foggiest idea. Are you perhaps not doing it
correctly (for example not having numlock on?)

--
Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP Windows - Shell/User
Please Reply to the Newsgroup

Ext User(David Morgan \(MAMS\))
05-06-2007, 08:14 AM
"David Morgan (MAMS)" <findme@m-a-m-s.comC/Odm> wrote in message...

> > Is Num Lock definitely on; i.e. do numbers appear when you hit the keys
> > on the numeric pad? If yes: Hold down Alt while you type 0191 on the
> > numeric keypad, then release Alt. You should get the upside-down
> > question mark . Any luck? If not, does it make any difference if you
> > use the other Alt key?

Thank you !!!

I just checked my front office XP box and thus solved the problem with a
phone call rather than another 30 mile journey.

It was in fact the absence of the active Num Lock key. The next time I am
in the client's office, I will set it as a boot-up default in the BIOS. I had him
turn it on manually and type his preferred key combinations, and they all
work fine.


Thank you, thank you, thank you.

--
David Morgan (MAMS)
http://www.m-a-m-s DOT com
Morgan Audio Media Service
Dallas, Texas (214) 662-9901
_______________________________________
http://www.januarysound.com

Ext User(David Morgan \(MAMS\))
05-06-2007, 08:23 AM
"Ken Blake, MVP" <kblake@this.is.am.invalid.domain> wrote in message news:qit86312enbsfkkeqmgg92cg2pv2c68bc8@4ax.com...
> On Mon, 04 Jun 2007 06:21:55 GMT, "David Morgan \(MAMS\)"
> <findme@m-a-m-s.comC/Odm> wrote:
>
> >
> >"Ken Blake, MVP" <kblake@this.is.am.invalid.domain> wrote in message news:udu563tq1alkaa5dmnj9kkhdun456c9fjk@4ax.com...
> >
> >> On Sun, 03 Jun 2007 06:44:34 GMT, "David Morgan \(MAMS\)"
> >> <findme@m-a-m-s.comC/Odm> wrote:
> >
> >> >"Ken Blake, MVP" <kblake@this.is.am.invalid.domain> wrote in message news:52q363lbteulk9c7m8p19ngd9t0u4gkibh@4ax.com...
> >
>
> >Sorry Ken... I don't mean to be rude, but you responded to my earlier
> >querry regarding a problem that apparently rests either with my ignorance
> >or with the current (clean install) configuration of an MS XP operating system.
> >
> >First, instead of addressing either, you referred me to a piece of OEM software
> >and suggested that I install it rather than to deal with the MS XP product features.
>
>
> I recommended what I felt was the best way to deal with the situation.

Sorry Ken, Turning on the Number Lock was the most expiditious method,
and should have been (IMHO) the first suggestion and the best suggestion
to comply with the boundaries of the question. Installing an OEM piece of
software, configuring it, and teaching the client new key combinations is
hardly as acceptable as turning on the number lock switch.

I apologize for the lack of brain-power on my part, as Number Lock has
always been a BIOS default for me, and I've never encountered this issue
before in order to realize that it was even a requirement.

> Not at all. I simply recommended what I felt was a better
> easier-to-use approach.

Then I didn't state the question well enough and I assume full responsibility.
I didn't ask for the "best" way, or for an OEM installation.... I asked how to
turn on the 'alt' text in Windows XP.

> I even provided a list of the built-in Windows ways to do this.

But not the KEY.

> Sorry, I haven't the foggiest idea. Are you perhaps not doing it
> correctly (for example not having numlock on?)

A perfect response to the initial question..... thank you.

DM

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