Ext User(Kev)
03-06-2007, 01:33 AM
Athol wrote:
> Kev <kevcat@optunet.com.au> wrote:
>
>>Michael C wrote:
>
>
>>>I was looking at a hilux that had a diesel motor and aftermarket turbo. It
>>>had an engineer's certificate that was issued in QLD. I've been told this is
>>>not a requirement in Vic, is this true? Apparently it applies specifically
>>>for diesels and for petrol motors it is required. This sounds like plain
>>>common sense, something I'm having trouble believing our govt is exercising.
>
>
>>why does it have an engineers certificate for QLD
>>you sure it's for the turbo
>>QLD has no need for such a thing when fitting a turbo to a diesel
>>engine, only if you are fitting one to a petrol ngine
>
>
> An engineering certificate is most definately required for the installation
> of a turbo on a diesel in NSW. If it's not required in QLD, that explains
> why all the interstate transfers from QLD consistently fail.
>
> Addition of a turbo to a diesel means exhaust mods, which usually translates
> to a larger exhaust system right through. More often than not, that means
> that the thing is too loud to be legal. Hence, it requires a noise test on
> every turbo conversion to check exhaust noise compliance with whatever
> version of ADR 28 applies.
>
> In conjunction with the installation of a turbo, a lot of people adjust the
> maximum fuel on the governor, which directly impacts on diesel smoke
> emissions. That directly impacts upon compliance with whatever version of
> ADR 30 is applicable.
>
> In some cases, there are also issues with heat shields being required around
> the turbo and exhaust to protect other things in the engine bay. The best
> example I can think of for this was a hilux with a high-mounted turbo that
> was quite close to the brake booster and both the clutch and brake master
> cylinders. I told the used car salesman who had traded it in and was
> trying to transfer it to NSW that, without a heat shield, it would damage
> the seals in the booster and master cylinders. His response "Oh, it came
> with receipts to say that all of those have just been replaced." I also
> told him that, while he was fitting the heat shield, he'd better also move
> the brand new speedo cable off the exhaust pipe near the bottom of the
> firewall.
>
> In NSW, many turbo conversions on diesels are not certified and they get
> away with it by installing the turbo while the vehicle is registered and
> keeping it registered. Unless they get defected for it (it is defectable)
> or they let the rego lapse then have to establish a new rego, most people
> don't even know that it should have been certified. Interestingly, an
> uncertified turbo won't necessarily result in an insurance rejection. If
> the turbo is on the insurance policy and doesn't directly contribute to
> the vehicle damage, the insurer will generally pay up.
>
> I remember one guy had an interior fire in a Hilux dual cab. NRMA paid
> out the insurance and sent it to auction as an economic write-off. The
> guy paid out his finance and bought the vehicle back at auction and had
> enough money left over to buy a complete interior from the wreckers...
> Put the interior in and went to blue slip it, since the insurance co had
> cashed in the remainder of the rego when they wrote it off... Obviously,
> the blue slip guy wanted an engineering certificate, which was a big
> surprise to the owner.
Nope QLD you can register a diesel vehicle with an aftermarket turbo
with nothing more than the RWC
even the insurance companies don't care about a turbo on a diesel
one strange thing I had when I insured my old 4runner
was told to list it as an aftermarket turbo install and not a inport
Surf Engine swap, they wouldn't cover it otherwise, this was back when
the whole "Imports are BAAAAADDD" craze was happening
however putting one on a petrol engine and it gets very tricky and in
most cases is not allowed unless it was a factory option
Kev
> Kev <kevcat@optunet.com.au> wrote:
>
>>Michael C wrote:
>
>
>>>I was looking at a hilux that had a diesel motor and aftermarket turbo. It
>>>had an engineer's certificate that was issued in QLD. I've been told this is
>>>not a requirement in Vic, is this true? Apparently it applies specifically
>>>for diesels and for petrol motors it is required. This sounds like plain
>>>common sense, something I'm having trouble believing our govt is exercising.
>
>
>>why does it have an engineers certificate for QLD
>>you sure it's for the turbo
>>QLD has no need for such a thing when fitting a turbo to a diesel
>>engine, only if you are fitting one to a petrol ngine
>
>
> An engineering certificate is most definately required for the installation
> of a turbo on a diesel in NSW. If it's not required in QLD, that explains
> why all the interstate transfers from QLD consistently fail.
>
> Addition of a turbo to a diesel means exhaust mods, which usually translates
> to a larger exhaust system right through. More often than not, that means
> that the thing is too loud to be legal. Hence, it requires a noise test on
> every turbo conversion to check exhaust noise compliance with whatever
> version of ADR 28 applies.
>
> In conjunction with the installation of a turbo, a lot of people adjust the
> maximum fuel on the governor, which directly impacts on diesel smoke
> emissions. That directly impacts upon compliance with whatever version of
> ADR 30 is applicable.
>
> In some cases, there are also issues with heat shields being required around
> the turbo and exhaust to protect other things in the engine bay. The best
> example I can think of for this was a hilux with a high-mounted turbo that
> was quite close to the brake booster and both the clutch and brake master
> cylinders. I told the used car salesman who had traded it in and was
> trying to transfer it to NSW that, without a heat shield, it would damage
> the seals in the booster and master cylinders. His response "Oh, it came
> with receipts to say that all of those have just been replaced." I also
> told him that, while he was fitting the heat shield, he'd better also move
> the brand new speedo cable off the exhaust pipe near the bottom of the
> firewall.
>
> In NSW, many turbo conversions on diesels are not certified and they get
> away with it by installing the turbo while the vehicle is registered and
> keeping it registered. Unless they get defected for it (it is defectable)
> or they let the rego lapse then have to establish a new rego, most people
> don't even know that it should have been certified. Interestingly, an
> uncertified turbo won't necessarily result in an insurance rejection. If
> the turbo is on the insurance policy and doesn't directly contribute to
> the vehicle damage, the insurer will generally pay up.
>
> I remember one guy had an interior fire in a Hilux dual cab. NRMA paid
> out the insurance and sent it to auction as an economic write-off. The
> guy paid out his finance and bought the vehicle back at auction and had
> enough money left over to buy a complete interior from the wreckers...
> Put the interior in and went to blue slip it, since the insurance co had
> cashed in the remainder of the rego when they wrote it off... Obviously,
> the blue slip guy wanted an engineering certificate, which was a big
> surprise to the owner.
Nope QLD you can register a diesel vehicle with an aftermarket turbo
with nothing more than the RWC
even the insurance companies don't care about a turbo on a diesel
one strange thing I had when I insured my old 4runner
was told to list it as an aftermarket turbo install and not a inport
Surf Engine swap, they wouldn't cover it otherwise, this was back when
the whole "Imports are BAAAAADDD" craze was happening
however putting one on a petrol engine and it gets very tricky and in
most cases is not allowed unless it was a factory option
Kev