Petrol in US is $3 gallon

[Ext User(DAvid)]

Just read a report stating the poor Yanks are paying record highs for their
fuel now at almost $3 US gallon which equates to 79c AUS litre. As we are
paying almost $1.30 per litre (I know it's based on the price in Malaysia)
why then is the world's economy based on the US dollar???? This means we are
paying on average between $25 and $30 more per tankful than Johnnies mates
in the good 'ol US of A.
Is the ACCC being given more useless power by the government because of this
or is it the more likely scenario of an election shortly? Also note I said
"useless power".

DAVO

[Ext User(Noddy)]

"DAvid" <davideo@bigpond.net.au> wrote in message
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> Just read a report stating the poor Yanks are paying record highs for
> their fuel now at almost $3 US gallon which equates to 79c AUS litre.

I thought it hit over 3 bucks a (us) Gallon some time ago.

> As we are paying almost $1.30 per litre (I know it's based on the price in
> Malaysia) why then is the world's economy based on the US dollar???? This
> means we are paying on average between $25 and $30 more per tankful than
> Johnnies mates in the good 'ol US of A.

The Amercian price is currently around US$3.20 per US Gallon, and that
equates to about an Aussie buck per litre. Still cheaper than ours, but
expensive for them when you consider that for most of the last century
petrol in the US was always fairly cheap, and they actually import quite a
bit of oil to make theirs.

We don't, but we have a government hell bent on milking as much tax out of
it as they can, and therein lies the difference.

> Is the ACCC being given more useless power by the government because of
> this or is it the more likely scenario of an election shortly? Also note I
> said "useless power".

The ACCC is a toothless terror that has as much power as a posse of
kindergarten kids, and it's sole purpose is to *look* like it's doing
something when in reality is has fuck all authority to do anything at all.

--
Regards,
Noddy.

[Ext User(John_H)]

DAvid wrote:
>
>Just read a report stating the poor Yanks are paying record highs for their
>fuel now at almost $3 US gallon which equates to 79c AUS litre. As we are
>paying almost $1.30 per litre (I know it's based on the price in Malaysia)
>why then is the world's economy based on the US dollar????

The world's economy isn't based on the US dollar, but that's an
entirely separate issue.

Add excise (38¢) and GST (10%) to the A$ equivalent of the US price
and you get as near as damnit to A$1.30. Which means we're paying
near as damnit to the same base price as the poor 'ol yanks are.

Which isn't to say the oil companies aren't ripping them off as well,
even if their government isn't

>This means we are
>paying on average between $25 and $30 more per tankful than Johnnies mates
>in the good 'ol US of A.
>Is the ACCC being given more useless power by the government because of this
>or is it the more likely scenario of an election shortly? Also note I said
>"useless power".

So, if we understand you correctly, you'd like the ACCC to have the
power to investigate the Australian taxation system?

Pigs might fly!

--
John H

[Ext User(Jason James)]

"DAvid" <davideo@bigpond.net.au> wrote in message
news:kzDdi.15501$wH4.12798@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
> Just read a report stating the poor Yanks are paying record highs for
their
> fuel now at almost $3 US gallon which equates to 79c AUS litre. As we are
> paying almost $1.30 per litre (I know it's based on the price in Malaysia)
> why then is the world's economy based on the US dollar???? This means we
are
> paying on average between $25 and $30 more per tankful than Johnnies mates
> in the good 'ol US of A.
> Is the ACCC being given more useless power by the government because of
this
> or is it the more likely scenario of an election shortly? Also note I said
> "useless power".

Well, as someone pointed out recently, SSecurity in the US is piss-poor
compared to ours, and we have to pay for ours thru taxes,..on things like
petrol. In the US you pay full-price for pharmacueticals unless you have
insurance, and even then you often get generic brand drugs, some of which
recently were found to be rubbish.

The US is *the* "end-user pays" example. Elective surgery lists dont exist
over there unless you have insurance. Non elective surgery for the uninsured
is a hit and miss affair. People have to take out loans for these
operations, unless they are lucky enough to be living near a "mercy"
hospital. Even these are far and few between. So the end result is they do
get lower-priced commodities,because their sales-tax base is much smaller.
Jason

[Ext User(Just JT)]

"Jason James" <at@peace.com> wrote:
>
> Well, as someone pointed out recently, SSecurity in the US is piss-poor
> compared to ours, and we have to pay for ours thru taxes,..on things like
> petrol. In the US you pay full-price for pharmacueticals unless you have
> insurance, and even then you often get generic brand drugs, some of which
> recently were found to be rubbish.
>
> The US is *the* "end-user pays" example. Elective surgery lists dont exist
> over there unless you have insurance. Non elective surgery for the
> uninsured
> is a hit and miss affair. People have to take out loans for these
> operations, unless they are lucky enough to be living near a "mercy"
> hospital. Even these are far and few between. So the end result is they do
> get lower-priced commodities,because their sales-tax base is much smaller.
> Jason
>
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Yep, the difference between Au petrol and US gas-o-line prices is the TAX.
That's because Au welfare benefits are more generous than in the US.

In short, productive people (those who make more $$$) are worse off in Aus
than in the US. On the other hand, less productive people (the unemployed
and lowly paid) are better off in Aus than in the US.

Back to cars: the average US resident can better afford top-end motor
vehicles such as the Ferrari's, Bentley's, Mercedes AMGs and BMW 7-series.
The average Aus resident can only afford Aus-made cardigan cars such as Ford
and Holden which are affordable due to heavy govt. subsidy.

--
Welfare:steal.from.rich.and.give.to.poor.

[Ext User(the_dawggie)]

On Jun 19, 8:21 am, "DAvid" <davi...@bigpond.net.au> wrote:

> Just read a report stating the poor Yanks are paying record highs for their
> fuel now at almost $3 US gallon which equates to 79c AUS litre. As we are
> paying almost $1.30 per litre (I know it's based on the price in Malaysia)

How do you get that?

I figure more like AUS$0.92/Litre.... unless my brain exploded,
which is entirely possible.

UK gallon might be closer to the AUS$0.79/Litre you are
thinking of?

[Ext User(Jeßus)]

Noddy wrote:
> "DAvid" <davideo@bigpond.net.au> wrote in message
> news:kzDdi.15501$wH4.12798@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
>
>> Just read a report stating the poor Yanks are paying record highs for
>> their fuel now at almost $3 US gallon which equates to 79c AUS litre.
>
> I thought it hit over 3 bucks a (us) Gallon some time ago.
>
>> As we are paying almost $1.30 per litre (I know it's based on the price in
>> Malaysia) why then is the world's economy based on the US dollar???? This
>> means we are paying on average between $25 and $30 more per tankful than
>> Johnnies mates in the good 'ol US of A.
>
> The Amercian price is currently around US$3.20 per US Gallon, and that
> equates to about an Aussie buck per litre. Still cheaper than ours, but
> expensive for them when you consider that for most of the last century
> petrol in the US was always fairly cheap, and they actually import quite a
> bit of oil to make theirs.
>
> We don't, but we have a government hell bent on milking as much tax out of
> it as they can, and therein lies the difference.

For once, I don't have a huge problem with the tax component in regards
to the price of fuel.
We want and expect certain services provided by the govt, but at the
same time we dont want
to pay tax to fund the services. Hmm.

>> Is the ACCC being given more useless power by the government because of
>> this or is it the more likely scenario of an election shortly? Also note I
>> said "useless power".
>
> The ACCC is a toothless terror that has as much power as a posse of
> kindergarten kids, and it's sole purpose is to *look* like it's doing
> something when in reality is has fuck all authority to do anything at all.

Agreed on the above.

[Ext User(Jeßus)]

Jason James wrote:
> "DAvid" <davideo@bigpond.net.au> wrote in message
> news:kzDdi.15501$wH4.12798@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
>> Just read a report stating the poor Yanks are paying record highs for
> their
>> fuel now at almost $3 US gallon which equates to 79c AUS litre. As we are
>> paying almost $1.30 per litre (I know it's based on the price in Malaysia)
>> why then is the world's economy based on the US dollar???? This means we
> are
>> paying on average between $25 and $30 more per tankful than Johnnies mates
>> in the good 'ol US of A.
>> Is the ACCC being given more useless power by the government because of
> this
>> or is it the more likely scenario of an election shortly? Also note I said
>> "useless power".
>
> Well, as someone pointed out recently, SSecurity in the US is piss-poor
> compared to ours, and we have to pay for ours thru taxes,..on things like
> petrol. In the US you pay full-price for pharmacueticals unless you have
> insurance, and even then you often get generic brand drugs, some of which
> recently were found to be rubbish.
>
> The US is *the* "end-user pays" example. Elective surgery lists dont exist
> over there unless you have insurance. Non elective surgery for the uninsured
> is a hit and miss affair. People have to take out loans for these
> operations, unless they are lucky enough to be living near a "mercy"
> hospital. Even these are far and few between. So the end result is they do
> get lower-priced commodities,because their sales-tax base is much smaller.
> Jason

Exactly.

[Ext User(Jeßus)]

Just JT dribbled:
>
> "Jason James" <at@peace.com> wrote:
>>
>> Well, as someone pointed out recently, SSecurity in the US is piss-poor
>> compared to ours, and we have to pay for ours thru taxes,..on things like
>> petrol. In the US you pay full-price for pharmacueticals unless you have
>> insurance, and even then you often get generic brand drugs, some of which
>> recently were found to be rubbish.
>>
>> The US is *the* "end-user pays" example. Elective surgery lists dont
>> exist
>> over there unless you have insurance. Non elective surgery for the
>> uninsured
>> is a hit and miss affair. People have to take out loans for these
>> operations, unless they are lucky enough to be living near a "mercy"
>> hospital. Even these are far and few between. So the end result is
>> they do
>> get lower-priced commodities,because their sales-tax base is much
>> smaller.
>> Jason
>>
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> Yep, the difference between Au petrol and US gas-o-line prices is the
> TAX. That's because Au welfare benefits are more generous than in the US.
>
> In short, productive people (those who make more $$$) are worse off in
> Aus than in the US. On the other hand, less productive people (the
> unemployed and lowly paid) are better off in Aus than in the US.
>
> Back to cars: the average US resident can better afford top-end motor
> vehicles such as the Ferrari's, Bentley's, Mercedes AMGs and BMW
> 7-series. The average Aus resident can only afford Aus-made cardigan
> cars such as Ford and Holden which are affordable due to heavy govt.
> subsidy.

Reading some of your other posts here, I thought you were fvcking
idiot... and this one only confirms it.
You're saying the average Yank drives around in Ferraris and Bentleys?
Even you should be able to see the flaw in your argument.

> --
> Welfare:steal.from.rich.and.give.to.poor.

What an arsehole... I hope you fall down on your luck one day.
And if/when you do - don't you dare apply for a social security payment...

[Ext User(Just JT)]

"Jeßus" <none@all.org> wrote:
>>
>> Back to cars: the average US resident can better afford top-end motor
>> vehicles such as the Ferrari's, Bentley's, Mercedes AMGs and BMW
>> 7-series. The average Aus resident can only afford Aus-made cardigan cars
>> such as Ford and Holden which are affordable due to heavy govt. subsidy.
>
> Reading some of your other posts here, I thought you were fvcking idiot...
> and this one only confirms it.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
My friends who live in the US who are professionals like me drive S-classes,
7-series, Maserati's and so forth. My friends are hardly wealthy people. Me?
I can only afford a baby Lexus. Why? Because these top-end cars are
unaffordable to the average Aussies due to our HIGH TAXATION.

This is how socialism flattens society: you tax (read: PUNISH) the
productive to the hilt in order to support (read: REWARD) the unproductive.
The result: HIGHER PRICES. There's no other way around this.

>
> You're saying the average Yank drives around in Ferraris and Bentleys?
> Even you should be able to see the flaw in your argument.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Yep, average Yanks can afford Ferrari's and Bentley's. When was the last
time you've driven there?

>
>> --
>> Welfare:steal.from.rich.and.give.to.poor.
>
> What an arsehole... I hope you fall down on your luck one day.
> And if/when you do - don't you dare apply for a social security payment...
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Don't worry. I am saving up for a rainy day. If I become terminally ill,
I'll request for euthanasia.

--
User.pays:the.best.deal.because.there.is.no.free.l unch.

[Ext User(Noddy)]

"Jeßus" <none@all.org> wrote in message
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> For once, I don't have a huge problem with the tax component in regards to
> the price of fuel.
> We want and expect certain services provided by the govt, but at the same
> time we dont want
> to pay tax to fund the services. Hmm.

I tend to agree, but I'd add that I think the Government has a view of it
being easier to hit everyone for a bit than the users directly for a lot.

What I mean by that is that I'm certainly not against people wanting
services, but rather than sting everyone for them they should make the users
of those services *pay* for them instead of charging everyone which will
include a fair amount of people who will pay for something but never use it.

Kinda like tolled roads for example.

--
Regards,
Noddy.

[Ext User(Just JT)]

"the_dawggie" <the_dawggie@hotmail.com> wrote:
> On Jun 19, 8:21 am, "DAvid" <davi...@bigpond.net.au> wrote:
>
>> Just read a report stating the poor Yanks are paying record highs for
>> their
>> fuel now at almost $3 US gallon which equates to 79c AUS litre. As we are
>> paying almost $1.30 per litre (I know it's based on the price in
>> Malaysia)
>
> How do you get that?
>
> I figure more like AUS$0.92/Litre.... unless my brain exploded,
> which is entirely possible.
>
> UK gallon might be closer to the AUS$0.79/Litre you are
> thinking of?
>
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
The US use US Gallons and not Imperial gallons. D'uh!

1 US Gallons = 3.785 litres

BTW, the gas-o-line price in California is about the same as petrol in our
Aus major cities.

--
Because.they.can.

[Ext User(Cyborg 0019)]

Just JT wrote:
>
> "Jason James" <at@peace.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> Well, as someone pointed out recently, SSecurity in the US is piss-poor
>> compared to ours, and we have to pay for ours thru taxes,..on things like
>> petrol. In the US you pay full-price for pharmacueticals unless you have
>> insurance, and even then you often get generic brand drugs, some of which
>> recently were found to be rubbish.
>>
>> The US is *the* "end-user pays" example. Elective surgery lists dont
>> exist
>> over there unless you have insurance. Non elective surgery for the
>> uninsured
>> is a hit and miss affair. People have to take out loans for these
>> operations, unless they are lucky enough to be living near a "mercy"
>> hospital. Even these are far and few between. So the end result is
>> they do
>> get lower-priced commodities,because their sales-tax base is much
>> smaller.
>> Jason
>>
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> Yep, the difference between Au petrol and US gas-o-line prices is the
> TAX. That's because Au welfare benefits are more generous than in the US.
>
> In short, productive people (those who make more $$$) are worse off in
> Aus than in the US. On the other hand, less productive people (the
> unemployed and lowly paid) are better off in Aus than in the US.
>
> Back to cars: the average US resident can better afford top-end motor
> vehicles such as the Ferrari's, Bentley's, Mercedes AMGs and BMW
> 7-series. The average Aus resident can only afford Aus-made cardigan
> cars such as Ford and Holden which are affordable due to heavy govt.
> subsidy.
>
> --
> Welfare:steal.from.rich.and.give.to.poor.
>

The dollar is harder to earn in the US however the economy is bigger so
there are more of those dollars due to population density available for
the taking.
Its worth less.

So to own those 1 mill cars of 1/4 mill cars one has work alot more than
one would in Australia as Australia's dollor is worth more in the
economy but population density is lower,all it takes is a good scam or
good idea and an Australian is 1m richer quicker than the US,however in
Australia one is hit with luxury car tax making them totally
unaffordable to drive or own for very long.

[Ext User(JD)]

Just JT wrote:

> Yep, average Yanks can afford Ferrari's and Bentley's. When was the last
> time you've driven there?
>
About a year ago - and I saw very few either Ferraris or Bentleys, albeit
more than here; but that may be because the car density is so much higher.
Most Americans drive domestically produced small to medium cars, often of
Japanese or European design, much to the discomfort of the American
manufacturers. Far more common than either Ferrari or Bentley are
extravagant domestic "cars" - the best selling car in the US I think is
still the Ford 150, but there's plenty of competitions from Suburbans and
Hummers, as well as Dodge Ram, Chev trucks etc. All far more common than
Ferrari or Bentley.

JD

[Ext User(Cyborg 0019)]

Just JT wrote:
>
> "Jeßus" <none@all.org> wrote:
>
>>>
>>> Back to cars: the average US resident can better afford top-end motor
>>> vehicles such as the Ferrari's, Bentley's, Mercedes AMGs and BMW
>>> 7-series. The average Aus resident can only afford Aus-made cardigan
>>> cars such as Ford and Holden which are affordable due to heavy govt.
>>> subsidy.
>>
>>
>> Reading some of your other posts here, I thought you were fvcking
>> idiot... and this one only confirms it.
>
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> My friends who live in the US who are professionals like me drive
> S-classes, 7-series, Maserati's and so forth. My friends are hardly
> wealthy people. Me? I can only afford a baby Lexus. Why? Because these
> top-end cars are unaffordable to the average Aussies due to our HIGH
> TAXATION.
>
> This is how socialism flattens society: you tax (read: PUNISH) the
> productive to the hilt in order to support (read: REWARD) the
> unproductive. The result: HIGHER PRICES. There's no other way around this.

High taxation has little to with it.
High taxation is a result of a small population all requiring the same
services.
Little to do with income,only difference being there is not much income
to go around.

If you sell rice bubbles in Australia,you get 10 in 30 households,but
get $1 form each,in the Us under the same clause you get 3 in 500
households and only get 25c each.
But in each area there is 50,000 people in the US compared to 800 people
in australia.

However this can change and is changing right now,
Under the liberal gov co .ltd if they can acheive the commonly aclaimed
liberal anual income of $160k for the average australian instead of the
aimed $35k of yeaster year
One will see the averge australian driving $160k cars irrelavent of tax.

One cannot live off $35k a year these days,so it is comming and fast or
it will be economic crash,which will not happen with a communist gov co
and law enforcment reigeim.

>
>>
>> You're saying the average Yank drives around in Ferraris and Bentleys?
>> Even you should be able to see the flaw in your argument.
>
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> Yep, average Yanks can afford Ferrari's and Bentley's. When was the last
> time you've driven there?
>
So can Australians,the only reason they do not is because they do not
demand themalso in australia there is alot of shifting around so not
everyone owns their own home compared with estates in the US(just an
australian culture clash),they demand bombadores and use them as a tax
dodge to avoid luxury cars and live on more.

You are almost right.
But tax has little to do with it.
Its demand and availability of income.
Anyone thats pays $3000 in rates to live in a town has to sustian that
cost,so dose the economy or it would not happen.

>>
>>> --
>>> Welfare:steal.from.rich.and.give.to.poor.
>>
>>
>> What an arsehole... I hope you fall down on your luck one day.
>> And if/when you do - don't you dare apply for a social security
>> payment...
>
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> Don't worry. I am saving up for a rainy day. If I become terminally ill,
> I'll request for euthanasia.
>
> --
> User.pays:the.best.deal.because.there.is.no.free.l unch.
>

[Ext User(jonz)]

"Just JT" <Johnnythor@Hotmale.com> wrote in message
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>
> "Jason James" <at@peace.com> wrote:
>>
>> Well, as someone pointed out recently, SSecurity in the US is piss-poor
>> compared to ours, and we have to pay for ours thru taxes,..on things like
>> petrol. In the US you pay full-price for pharmacueticals unless you have
>> insurance, and even then you often get generic brand drugs, some of which
>> recently were found to be rubbish.
>>
>> The US is *the* "end-user pays" example. Elective surgery lists dont
>> exist
>> over there unless you have insurance. Non elective surgery for the
>> uninsured
>> is a hit and miss affair. People have to take out loans for these
>> operations, unless they are lucky enough to be living near a "mercy"
>> hospital. Even these are far and few between. So the end result is they
>> do
>> get lower-priced commodities,because their sales-tax base is much
>> smaller.
>> Jason
>>
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> Yep, the difference between Au petrol and US gas-o-line prices is the TAX.
> That's because Au welfare benefits are more generous than in the US.
>
> In short, productive people (those who make more $$$) are worse off in Aus
> than in the US. On the other hand, less productive people (the unemployed
> and lowly paid) are better off in Aus than in the US.
,o00o.

so, why do you think "lowly paid" equates to "less productive. ? (and
vice-versa) seems to me, you are more than somewhat upyerself.........
>
> Back to cars: the average US resident can better afford top-end motor
> vehicles such as the Ferrari's, Bentley's, Mercedes AMGs and BMW 7-series.
> The average Aus resident can only afford Aus-made cardigan cars such as
> Ford and Holden which are affordable due to heavy govt. subsidy.
>
> --
> Welfare:steal.from.rich.and.give.to.poor.
>

[Ext User(zonie)]

I know of no "average" yank the drives any of those cars. They are for
doctors and lawyers. We consider ourselves average with a Toyota truck and
a Honda. Since our kids are grown, after uncle sam takes about 48% of our
gross we have to watch our money. I am pretty sure that there are some
things in both countries that are good and bad as far as taxes and
benefits from the governments. Our social security sucks, medical ins. is
very high and the insurance companies have too much power. Someday I will
get to compare when I visit there. Scott

[Ext User(tipsy@beerlover.com)]

On Tue, 19 Jun 2007 09:19:56 +1000, "Noddy" <dg4163@(nospam)dodo.com.au> wrote:

>
> "DAvid" <davideo@bigpond.net.au> wrote in message
> news:kzDdi.15501$wH4.12798@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
>
> > Just read a report stating the poor Yanks are paying record highs for
> > their fuel now at almost $3 US gallon which equates to 79c AUS litre.
>
> I thought it hit over 3 bucks a (us) Gallon some time ago.

I was in the US earlier this year and it was $3.20 a gallon in San Francisco.

[Ext User(John_H)]

Jeßus wrote:
>
>For once, I don't have a huge problem with the tax component in regards
>to the price of fuel.

The problem is the fuckers tax us twice (or thrice if you want to be
pedantic). Excise (which includes a state tax component), then GST on
excise.

Which is precisely what the GST was supposed replace (double taxes).

Much fairer to remove the excise (across the board) and apply GST
right across the board (many items are still exempt), or else raise
the GST.

--
John H

[Ext User(Jeßus)]

jonz wrote:
> "Just JT" <Johnnythor@Hotmale.com> wrote in message
> news:46771d81$0$23147$9a6e19ea@unlimited.newshosti ng.com...
>> "Jason James" <at@peace.com> wrote:
>>> Well, as someone pointed out recently, SSecurity in the US is piss-poor
>>> compared to ours, and we have to pay for ours thru taxes,..on things like
>>> petrol. In the US you pay full-price for pharmacueticals unless you have
>>> insurance, and even then you often get generic brand drugs, some of which
>>> recently were found to be rubbish.
>>>
>>> The US is *the* "end-user pays" example. Elective surgery lists dont
>>> exist
>>> over there unless you have insurance. Non elective surgery for the
>>> uninsured
>>> is a hit and miss affair. People have to take out loans for these
>>> operations, unless they are lucky enough to be living near a "mercy"
>>> hospital. Even these are far and few between. So the end result is they
>>> do
>>> get lower-priced commodities,because their sales-tax base is much
>>> smaller.
>>> Jason
>>>
>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>> Yep, the difference between Au petrol and US gas-o-line prices is the TAX.
>> That's because Au welfare benefits are more generous than in the US.
>>
>> In short, productive people (those who make more $$$) are worse off in Aus
>> than in the US. On the other hand, less productive people (the unemployed
>> and lowly paid) are better off in Aus than in the US.
> ,o00o.
>
> so, why do you think "lowly paid" equates to "less productive. ? (and
> vice-versa) seems to me, you are more than somewhat upyerself.........

Because it's a complete knob... or in hindsight could be a bit of a troll.